>Germany has agreed with the U.S. government to acquire Tomahawk cruise missiles and station them on German territory, Chancellor Friedrich Merz told lawmakers in Berlin on Thursday.>Merz said that he had met with Washington on the sidelines of the NATO summit in Ankara to seal the deal, adding that the summit had exceeded all of his expectations.>"In doing so, we are closing a critical strategic gap in our defence, while simultaneously working to develop our own European systems and station them in Europe," he said.>The fate of the Tomahawks had been unclear after President Donald Trump announced in May that he would reduce U.S. military presence in Germany, which had been seen as a cancellation of a plan under the previous administration to deploy a U.S. battalion with long-range Tomahawk missiles to Germany.>Berlin has pushed for the move as a powerful deterrent against Russia while Europeans develop such weapons of their own.https://www.reuters.com/world/merz-says-germany-agreed-acquire-us-tomahawk-missiles-2026-07-09/
How long until Trump talkes with Putin and changes his mind again?
the spirit of anchorage stinks like ass
>>65314994It's gonna take a lot for Trump to recover his patience with that guy. Besides, America has bigger concerns than a bunch of ex-soviets splattering each other's conscripts.
>>65314990incredibly bad deal. ancient tomahawks when cruise missiles get intercepted 90% nowadays and with trump killswitch on top so every single mood swing of the american president can make the entire arsenal unusable on a whim. >>65315106more like putin has compromising material on trump and low key blackmails him with it.
I estimate the expected delivery date of these Tomahawk missiles is in 2038 or so considering the US need to resupply for the next round of war against Iran and then again for the next round after that etc etc.
>>65315259Busy today, aren't you Vanya?
>>65315300Well it's not like he can drive anywhere without gas.
>>65315259>ancient tomahawks when cruise missiles get intercepted 90% nowadaysit's the Block Vb variant from 2021 with reduced radar signature and Ukraine is striking deep into Russia with FP-5s
>>65314990Can someone tell me why germany is buying Tomahawks when they, in theory, could build FP-5s? Is there a different use/doctrine case for Tomahawks?
>>65315259Ive heard Israel, Russia, China, and everyone's grandma has this compromat, bit no leaks? Seems like everyone but you has the smoking gun evidence.
>>65315300He trolls /k/ to pass the time in the gas line.
>>65315338pretty sure Tomahawks are more capable. Like riding close over the surface to evade radar detection, lower radar cross section, etc.as usual it's the gucci solution for a peacetime militarybut Germany is working on deep strike capability with some allies itself, it may include a new cruise missile too (ballistic missile & hypersonic definitely)
>>65315327>Block Vb variant from 2021but thats the anti-ship variant of the tomahawk. why would they choose anti-ship? doesnt make sense.
>>65315360wouldn't be the gucci solution the Taurus?
>>65315361they are meant specifically for the type f126 frigates.
>>65315375afaik taurus was a one off improvisation on a left over glide bomb chassis bought from saab. there certainly is room for improvement there.
>>65315361Block V then>>65315375>>65315385No, Taurus is way lighter with lower range and payload and air launched>>65315381no, that's not right. F126 is cancelled and there is no info yet if its successor (F128) will get land strike option. Apparently F128 should get strike length Mk 41 vls though so it's possible. And F127 too. This current procurement is for land based cruise missiles though.
>>65315338Because it's not a real country, they have to lick the US balls to survive. In Europe only France is a real "independent" country from a weapon purchase point of view, in the sense of being able to choose from whom they want without having to worry about the US opinion, but even so they still buy from the US because of compatibility and cause the US usually offers more advanced shit. Germany is a joke politically speaking, they just do whatever they're told to
>>65315338It says so right in the article that buying Tomahawks is a stopgap until a European system can be built.Since German companies are already cooperating with FirePoint tehy will probably start making the next generation cruise missile that comes after FP-5, and probably the next ballistic missile that comes after FP-9, too.Man I hope Gegrmany and Ukraine just start building fuckhuge amounts of ballistic missiles.
>>65315387>This current procurement is for land based cruise missiles though.Makes sense for Europe, really.
>>65314990Does the 2+4 Treaty forbid Tomahawks from being based on the territory of the former GDR?
>>65315595Who will complain?The two Germanies are one Germany now and can just say 'we'll do this', UK and France will just nod and say 'OK', US wants to sell the missiles and will say 'OK', Soviet Union doesn't exist anymore.If Russia screeches, Germany can just say 'As a gesture of good will we will not station them in East Germany. We will put them into Sweden, Finland, Lithuania and Romania instead'
>>65315259Thirdie thinks current production Tomahawks are the same missile as they were decades ago.>also seethes when Tomahawks walk over cou tries like Iran who were supposed to humiliate America
>>65315338Flamingos are just a more primative Tomahawk.
>>65315656>The F-86 is just a more primitive F-22
>>65315682Unlike air superiority fighters, cruise missiles are one-way munitions.
>>65315689Anon, are you being intentionally dense?
>>65315338The Flamingo fills a different tactical role than the Tomahawk. It's designed to threaten vast swathes of Russia, forcing dispersion of AA so Ukraine can opportunistically strike targets where defenses are weakest. It is too primitive to reliably penetrate enemy AD at the most sensitive sites. The Tomahawk meanwhile is much more capable of penetrating heavily defended areas and striking vital targets. Both are valuable tools, but one doesn't compensate for the other.
>>65315682Yes?
>>65315698>The Flamingo fills a different tactical role than the TomahawkIt fills the exact same role.
>>65315595no, not if they're German systems.
>>65315653>Thirdieim german and i trust in my government to make the most stupid, self-harming and cucked buying decision possible (we do not even have a ship that can fire the tomahawk) and i trust the americans to be two faced as fuck and bake some dependency on their services into the system, which will then be used by their literal russian government agent president to sabotage my country. i bet the terrain map, satellite guidance, data link, ai target recognition and probably even the gyroscope is dependent on american services and upkeep, same with the f35. we are making us into slaves to whatever europe hating stable genius the americans elect.whats the logic in ridiculing trump all day and calling him stupid and wrong and pointing out how much he hates germany and europe and then making yourself totally vulnerable to that guy and suckign his cock?
>>65314990Hope that means we’re going to buy the F-47.
>>65315844America has defended you faggots for years. And like you said, all your leaders do is drive the continent into the ground. It doesn't mean anyone is a Russian agent because we got tired of changing your diapers. Professional fucking victim over here.
>>65315862anyway, all im saying is trusting america under trump is a very bad idea, he is not an ally, he wants to see us on the ground. all for his beloved america, only america counts, america first etc. if its like that we should not give him any additional leverage, that he will only eventually use against us. just a few days ago he renewed his greenland threats and now we give him money for missiles??? fuck that shit! hell no!
>>65315909The admin has pretty consistently said it wants Europe to do more in defense, energy, and immigration. Hardly equates to wanting to see you all on the ground. And all of international relations, friend and foe, is defined by leverage. Europe just got complacent and assumed based on past glories people would respect you even as you spend decades neglecting your military and economic power. Finally, your crocodile tears about Greenland are quite amusing, considering your country invaded and occupied Denmark in living memory. The whole Greenland issue is emblematic of the European foreign policy mindset: a slavish obsession to ideals you have no means to effectuate without America's help.
>>65315909Notice how Pistorius, the leader of the arguably somewhat working German department, just straight up says Germany should buy American and Israelis stuff instead of wasting time and money for a European solution that will be available in 15 years for the same performance? If it wasn’t for retards like Merz (who also bows down to Trump from time to time) Germany probably could just set up license production of said American/Israeli stuff and call it a day.
>>65315954>Germany probably could just set up license production of said American/Israeli stuff and call it a day.most of the Israeli stuff is being license produced locally by Israeli-German joint ventures. That's one of the main reasons Germany buys so much from Israel.
>>65315947those are 2 separate issues. europe needing to re-arm and not doing enough. trump is totally right here. but he literally threatens us with invasion and economic ruin every other day. thats hostile behavior and means we need to defend ourselves from american aggression. how are we supposed to defend greenland from an american invasion when our weapons all have american killswitches in some way or the other? the french dont have this problem because they never trusted the usa in the first place.
>>65315967you need to differentiate between the ramblings of a senile fucktard who will be dead in 5 years and actual US policy.
>>65315967Trump hasn't once threatened Europe wirh invasion or economic ruin. The majority of his threats entail reducing troops stationed in Europe and tariffs on things you like to sell into America. Literally the opposite of invasion and economic ruin.
>>65315966Well yeah, my point is that Germany could’ve done the same thing decades ago with the US like Rheinmetall is doing now with LM instead of wasting money on shit like the Tornado or Typhoon (which is great btw but the F-16 existed decades prior, same for the F-15)
>>65315981>Trump hasn't once threatened Europe wirh invasion or economic ruinliterally 2 days ago: >Referring to Greenland, Trump added: "That should be controlled by the United States, not by Denmark.">More: Trump calls off tariffs after touting 'framework' for Greenland dealhttps://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2026/07/07/trump-us-greenland-control-nato-summit/90836515007/
>>65315970i dont see the big uproar among americans about the greenland, panama, canada invasion threats. and why would americans be against it, since euros are so stupid to not only have no cards, but also make them selves totally reliant on america, there is no chance how this could even backfire for americans. they could land in greenland tomorrow and all we could do about it is seethe and cope. literally.
There was a NYTimes analysis piece today about how this NATO summit showed that Europe has learned to mostly ignore Trump's banter. Kinda funny if true.
>>65316011>ignore Trump's banterWell, Gramps lost a war against Iran, and had a few Senior Moments, so that is what happens.Just nod, smile, and get on with business. He will have forgotten the whole thing next Tuesday anyway.
