What gun comes to mind when you think of a DMR?
>>65315748Usually a marksman rifle
>>65316000I mean imagine thinking of anything else not explicitly named "the DMR."
>>65315748These things are coveted, right? I’ve heard they’re some of the best rifles ever made and sought after to the point where a real one and not a copy is like 10 grand.
>>65315748mk12 ar15 with a 3x9 on it in movies from the 90s.22 sniper rifle thats assembled by an assassinthat british ar15 wiith the weird 8 by x scope.
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>>65315748SAM-R
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>>65316073More like $20k
>>65316200Imagine being an infantryman in the most powerful military on the entire planet, asking your superiors for a .308 marksman rifle, and getting this thing lmao.
friend shot top shooter in the kd range in the 10s they gave him a mk12 and went uhh figure it out yourself. he was a driver.
>>65316073they are not very accurate. They are giga-rare and giga cool, so they are giga expensive. I remember some anon butchering one, and i always though (hoped) it was fake.
>>65315748AR-10.
>>65316073A lot of their value comes from the fact that they're more or less banned in the US apart from a handful that snuck around the import restrictions. The Romanian knockoff PSL looks similar and is superior in some ways but less than a tenth of the cost.
>>65315748Probably an EBR or some other M14. It was the eponymous DMR when the US first started seriously using the concept outside of recon units, so my first exposure to a gun being a "DMR" would have been an M14 of some kind.>>65316073They're just not imported, hence scarcity. They were uncharacteristically good for the soviets, like you would have expected them to put a scope on an upscaled SKS and call it a day, but instead they went to their best Olympic shooter and got him to do it, and that's probably why SVDs with newer scopes are still doing okay in 2026; but it is categorically still old tech and not as good as modern alternatives.
>>65316472Nope that was real. But if you knew, he was turning it into an SVDS.Last I heard he sold most of his SVD collection to fund his house.
>>65316785I honestly like the look of the tigr sporters more than the military versions
>>65315748M21 or MK12 for me. EBR too. >>65316328I think the idea at the time for a squad level DMR it would be nice to have a rifle that was mostly indistinguishable from a standard M16.
>>65316726>Probably an EBR or some other M14.Same and same reason t.Eurofag
>>65316652>The Romanian knockoff PSL looks similar and is superior in some ways but less than a tenth of the cost.The PSL makes the SVD look like a custom benchrest gun in terms of accuracy
>>65319010Yeah that's a good point, my M1A is more accurate in it's bedded stock than it was in the EBR chassis while I had it, I've since put it back in the stock. I want to get an original ART II scope one of these days. I had a modern hilux camputer scope and didn't care for it.
>>65318962The PSL makes the SVD look like a custom benchrest gun in terms of finding replacement parts, they're equally inaccurate.
>>65319185No, the SVD is actually pretty decent. I have only shot a Tigr but it isn't half bad. The PSL meanwhile starts stringing all over the place when it heats up
>>65319603>The PSL meanwhile starts stringing all over the place when it heats upAnd literally everyone that has ever shot an SVD has that exact same complaint.
The SVD is the greatest rifle ever made>>65315748The SVD isn't a DMR, it's a sniper rifle (russian language term) which is to say a DMR but attached to the Plt HQ.
>>65319623I don't but I have only shot a TigrStringing with one usually pertains to any pressure exerted on the barrel at all and holding onto the handguard is enough for that
>>65319661Thats because DMR isn't a distinction they make, its still a DMR in its role of extending the infantry squads range in conventional engagements. As opposed to a sniper rifles used to make choice shots detached from larger units. Russians just call them all snipers.
>>65319980But a squad isnt the same as platoon level
In ‘06 we had the wood stock M14s and they were so cash, but by ‘09 they replaced them with the SAGE kits and no one wanted to carry one because they were as heavy as a SAW
>>65315748Retarded larping gamers.
>>65320420Without having played vidyer games or done airsoft I probably wouldn't own a single real firearmGamers rule the roost now
>>65316200Niggas larping golgo-13.
>>65316073They are not that accurate, it has the same MoA as m14.
>>65319661Soul, I remember me and my classmate used to draw this kind of stuff in highschool. Too bad he an hero right before winter holiday.
>>65316073>I’ve heard they’re some of the best rifles ever madeSVDs were great DMRs when they came out, and were superior to their western counterparts for a long while. Nowadays an AR-10 is much better and cheapter tho. But if you're some militia/random hurka durka with limited budget then they are still great as we saw in the past in Afghanistan. The current prices for americans is just due to their retarded import laws. >>65319623Not true, I have both a Tigr, an SVD and an NDM. With a PSL you start getting stringing on the second mag, meanwhile with SVDs you get the group opening up (at around the 4th mag depending on how fast you shoot) but no stringing. >>65319661The SVD is a DMR rifle, the fact the russians considered marksmans as snipers is irrelevant.>>65316652>The Romanian knockoff PSL looks similar and is superior in some ways but less than a tenth of the costHahahahahahahaha.
>>65319010>M21>is an actual sniper rifleyeah no
>>65315748Mk14
>>65316073>I’ve heard they’re some of the best rifles ever madeAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>65321084DMR G3 were only standard G3A3 with a ZF scope, the SVD was released earlier than that and was still better than it. if you're thinking about the G3SG1 they were released even much later in the early 70s and this one actually had a much better accuracy.so yeah, at the time it was released the SVD was quite a good gun but as usual with soviet stuff it quickly got outdated by other rifles because western R&D got an insanely better budget.
>>65321181nah, they got creativity but budget didn't followed put, there was also massive case of corruption ruling in favors of certain bureau (especially the russian ones) while other were left out into the dust.there was one case of a rifle made outside of russia that has shown better accuracy and reliability than the AK, it even featured an upper and lower receiver like the AR-15 but the soviet bureau decided that the AK-74 was the one adopted instead.>>65321176>the 1963 date for it is a total lieit's not, 1963 was the inital production of the rifle from the original factory which then was mass produced into the Izmash factory and no the G3A3ZF wasn't any better than the dragunov and lacked the accuracy because it was just a standard rifle with a scope slapped on it, the G3A3SG1 was much better than both of those because they not only changed the scope but also added a new barrel and started using more appropriate ammo for DMR purposes rather than just using ammo that was meant to be used in both MG3 and G3 rifles, meanwhile the dragunov had its own special ammo from the start while the PKM gunners were using the standard x54r rounds.if you weren't an obvious tourist you would know about this, and you would also know that the french FRF1 was one of the best rifle you could get for your DMR at the time because this thing was litterally made for accuracy in mind rather than just "we need a rifleman with a scope"
>>65321084>>65321423>>65321176trying to argue on /k/ post russian invasion of Ukraine is impossible, you'll always have retards like these who can't go past current politics.
>>65321030>picGod damn I am jelly.
>>65321525>post sound argument based on actual facts>retard goes ziggerziggerzigger with zero arguments nor facts>post sound reply based on facts>retard goes ziggerziggerzigger with zero arguments nor facts againMaybe it's time to stop feeding the nogun trolls. Precisely because some people are too retarded to separate the *current thing* from everything else, it's also retarded to try and have an actual discussion with them. It's just like the old saying about playing chess with a pidgeon.
>>65321561>proves me right>copes>brings out his fetish for trannies out of nowhereFor being obsessed with ziggers you sure act like one.
>>65321545>Maybe it's time to stop feeding the nogun trollsIt's impossible on post 2014 /k/
>>65321580>more tranny and gay anecdotes out of nowhereNow we know why you're so angry.
Anyone ever shot an SVD? Is it as hot as it looks?
>>65321588Hot as fuck.
>>65321589>can only go "no u"hehe, I broke you. My bad.
>>65319946>Stringing with one usually pertains to any pressure exerted on the barrel at all and holding onto the handguard is enough for thatThat's why you often Soviet marksmen holding supporting their rifles by the magazine. Accuracy is more important than reliable feeding.
>>65321588It's typical slavshit. It kicks a bit, rots out quickly, jams easily, and is inaccurate. You can mitigate this with good cleaning and maintenance discipline, but it still is slavshit. It's fun enough to shoot, but not worth the effort. Buy a western copycat, or a western DMR, trust me, you'll have a better time.
>>65321600your fragile ego? Don't worry I'll stop, I'll let you have the last reply
>>65321601That but also the bipod attaches to the receiver
>>65321601>Accuracy is more important than reliable feeding.The SVD has no issue with feeding. Even if it uses a rimmed cartdrige it's impossible to have it jam like a 12g ammo mag usually does due to how the ammo is loaded in the magazine.
>>6532160380% of its problems can be solved with a better optics mount and modern optics
>>65321588It's one of the rifles I enjoy shooting the most. It's reliable, accurate, and doesn't require much cleaning unless you're shooting corrosives. Noguns tend to go all sour grapes over it lately tho. Poor (literally) fellas.
>>65321621Exactly, which is why you'll get a western copycat, not the slavshit original. Even then many copycats leave many of the original shitty design's problems unresolved.
>>65316073I heard from a veteran of Chechnya that they were reliable bait. They'd apparently leave one on the ground and camp-out waiting for someone dumb enough to try to pick it up.It doesn't say much but good enough to murder people.
>>65321628It's inaccurate compared to its modern contemporaries
>>65321620Again, I have only shot a Tigr but with one mag it would rimlock on occasion. Don't know why or how but it did. It also really doesn't like ammo that's any shorter than surplus 7.62x54R because 123gr training ammo would jam like once per mag as the bullet hit the ramp
>>65321629There are lots of mounts for the original though
>>65321635Not him but at least the cleaning part is true. It's not an AK so it doesn't shit in the receiver
>>65321633Yeah, I agree. Semiauto DMRs nowadays even entry level can easily be close to the realm of 1 to 1.5 MOA all day every day. Meanwhile my usual accuracy with factory ammo with mines is around 1.5 - 2.5 depending on the ammo brand. SB 147 match are usually the ones performing the best. >>65321635It's the truth, just because it makes your noguns ass mad it will not change.
>>65321641Bold talk from someone who's never been in the same room as an SVD, but maybe you have a lot of experience with pigs and lipstick, Ranjeet
>>65321646meant to say 174gr
>>65321653You're arguing with a noguns troll, every time you reply to "him" he wins.
>>65321646>my usual accuracy with factory ammo with mines is around 1.5 - 2.5 depending on the ammo brand.That's plenty accurate enough for a marksman rifle from the 60s. The shitposting ITT made me think it would be in the realm of an m44 nugget.
>>65321665>doesn't deny being a noguns pajeetKek, it's always a jeet.
>>65321666It was obvious, they talk the most amount of trash, but the moment they need to prove they are not noguns they scurry away like rats
>>65321677post a timestamped gun you own so that we know you're not a third worlder.
no thread without cope
>>65321698But the USSR lost?
Something like this
>>65321423>FRF1>sniper riflewhat ? it's a fucking DMR for the french army, same shit with the brits with their modified lee enfield at the same time, the french even just kept using it with a slight upgrade labelised F2 for their marksmans while everyone else is using semi autos and only recently decided to get the SCAR H 20.jesus fucking christ dude, how bad are you to any of this ? you sounds like an absolute bottom tier plebbitor from india or someshit, did a russian blew up your house or something ?
>>65321829don't feed the noguns troll
>>65321702>54R out of a 24" barrel at contact distanceI bet thats a true melon burster.
TDZ is a moral imperative, but credit where credit is due. The SVD was the first DMR and the soviets the first to recognize the role of a dedicated marksman as part of standard infantry squads. Along the RPD/PKM, the AK, and the RPG, they were the ones that better got the infantry weapons lessons of WW2 while the West doubled down in the Battle Rifle retardation.The SVD was great for the Cold War era, and it didn't really become obsolete until the 2000s, while western countries were still trying to deploy stuff like custom M14s and G3s not really better than them except for the optics.
Damn, thread went to shit fast. I should have known better than starting a thread with a Russian gun in the OP.
>>65322004man, i'm thinking about selling my AR and getting a 552 or 551 instead>>65322002> it didn't really become obsolete until the 2000snah man, there was plenty of good DMR rifle released during the 80s, especially with the new ammo types that got released with them, SVD was good for its time but unfortunately it started to show its age mid 70s and then become outclassed during the 80s and onward. if the soviet weren't corrupted as fuck they would have quickly started making improvements on the base gun and make it better but they didn't.on the other hand, i've heard that the servian modern SVD is actually pretty good and the russian made that new version that still use the old mags that seems pretty sweet, i hope the fucking war end soon and monkey get replaced by someone with an actual brain so i could get myself one of those and their new AK.
>>65322031>the russian made that new version that still use the old mags that seems pretty sweetThis one?
Thread is giving me PTSD from when I saw a Norinco NDM-86 for $900 at a small gun store back in 2009 and never bought it.
>>65322031>there was plenty of good DMR rifle released during the 80sWhich ones? Western countries didn't seem to believe in the idea.Rifles like the FR F2 or the G3A3ZF weren't really DMRs, but semi auto sniper rifles deployed in small numbers, usually along bolt action rifles in sniper teams, not in regular infantry squads.During the Afghan/Iraq war, Western countries used accuratized battle rifles for the DMR role for the first time. Some finally adopted the idea (like the UK), but the US still really hasn't AFAIK
>there are people who don't own a SVDAlso 308 >>> 54r.
>>65322214I wouldn't really want to own one but I can always borrow my friend's Tigr
>>65321593Did you eat the 'jack?
>>65322049yes that's the one>>65322090to be fair, if we go with your criteria then yeah, you're except for ONE rifle, the G3A3/SG1, unlike the G3A3ZF the SG1 was actually configured to be more accurate and have the same role as the SVD, oh and no i'm not talking about the PSG1 which is a more specialized version of it.>but the US still really hasn't AFAIKthe other way around on this one bud, the US were first with the SR25/M110 to start the whole true DMR trend in the west and it actually started with Iraq, the UK followed later with the L129, also the FRF1/FRF2 in the french army was both used for spotters in sniper teams but also for marksmans units in infantry squad, the goal was to have a versatile weapon that could fit both criteria at the same time
>>65322371>G3A3/SG1Were those ever deployed? All the images I've seen just show german soldiers with regular G3s with scopes to support the dudes with G36s (until the HK417 was adopted)>SR25/M110but those weren't DMRs. They were semiauto sniper rifles like the PSG1.
>>65315748Accuracy International
>>65321701They didnt want that shithole anyways.
>>65322383>but those weren't DMRs. They were semiauto sniper rifles like the PSG1.distinction without a difference
>>65322999To be fair the SVD was the first rifle that was built from the ground up with the intent of being a DMR (it's still a dmr even if soviets considered them snipers) Every other DMR till the 80s was always a battle rifle that they accurized and gave a scope.
>all these deleted postslmao, the sperg that seethed at the SVD got a vacation
>>65322004I'm surprised they haven't called you a zigger yet.
>>65324005there were 20+ posts doing just that
Simple as. THE standard for a DMR past the 80s.>>65316073Not really. Good for the time, absolutely. Still scary up until the modern day if you were some zogbot fighting an insurgent out in the sandbox. The real reason is as others mention historical value + importation laws completely cockblocking Americans from owning most Russkie guns past the 80s or so, outside of cheeky illegal imports or parts kits and the like that were labelled as Belarusian/Georgian and the like IIRC. In Yurop where you can buy semi-auto rifles, they sit around $2.5-3k USD. But yeah, obsolete so to speak, you can get better accuracy out of the box with any decent AR-10 nowadays.
>Almost 100 posts in>No mention if the M76Sad.Call me weird, but I like it more than the SVD. I wanna get one, but I also don't feel like adding 8mm to the ammo I need to stock up on.
>>65324415The magazines are the Achiles heel. The bolt hold open was designed wrong and can cause the bolt carrier to get jammed up BAD if it tries closing on an empty magazine. I practiced it myself to see if that was just fudd lore, but it happened first try. I know there are ways to fix it by welding an extra tab of metal to the magazine follower, but it's such a stupid design flaw that I can't call the M76 the best.
>>65322383>Were those ever deployed?yep, it's just with time they changed handguard to allow attachment on it, the widegrip handguard only had bipod and nothing else, meanwhile the round handguard got rail kits available so they used those instead.>>65324338yeah, these days a PSA AR-10 is better than the dragunov to be honest, i have a norinco type 85 and while it is accuracy it kick a shit load harder than an austrian FAL i tried, when you place your cheek on the leather cushion it feel like mike tyson is giving you a morning kiss with his fist.maybe it's just that gun don't like heavy grain ammo but still, i got decent grouping with it despite all that>>65324415it's basically a PSL but in 8mm mauser
>>65315748HOT TAKEthe SVD isnt a DMRits a light mobile sniper/european sniper rifle europe doesnt do the constant laying down thing, the sniper role in europe is broader and more dynamic and goes to squad levelRussian doctrine uses it as a replacement for Machine gun roles in squadsvirtually every other force that uses, from militaries to terrorists use it as a sniper rifleI think the only time Ive seen it used as a DMR was the YPG kurdsDMR I think Mk12 or some other standard rifle modded to be accurized like MSG 90/33 SSG scoped Ak5s, SG 550 SR hk 417
>>65324758doesnt it have a heavier barrel than a PSL
>>65324338>m110isnt th CSASS mostly used by trained snipers though
>>65324730You can also just flick it back out with your finger. >>65324758It is a PSL except it isn't made of dogshit.
>>65325385This looks more like a 3D render than an actual photo. Everything is too clean
>>65325286>the SVD isnt a DMR>it's a "weird way to say DMR"
>>65325286>europe doesnt do the constant laying down thing, the sniper role in europe is broader and more dynamic and goes to squad level>Russian doctrine uses it as a replacement for Machine gun>DMR is other standard rifle modded to be accurizedYou're utterly retarded and historically wrong.
>>65316166This as well
>>65325286The nerd impulse to make up bullshit classifications that mean nothing should be studied by sociologists. Nutn is to blame for a lot of it with his SAPR noise, but its gotten really bad in the last few years with that GPR horseshit.
