You can't exactly hide them so the question is "Are they outdated now? "Play with that idea for a while.
An airbase that can be anywhere on the planet will never not have utility.
>>65320259Why would they be?
>>65320259>You can't exactly hide themYou actually can. It's nearly impossible to find a carrier in real time that's over the horizon.
>>65320282>he's trapped in 1970My boomer, commercial grade satellites can track a carrier 24/7/365 with a cap of no more 15 minutes lag, today; that's a worst/best case area of uncertainty of less than a 9 mile radius. In other words, accurate enough you don't even need the satellite to transmit midcourse guidance to an IRBM. Just lock and launch it.
Man I really wish I could kill people through the internet sometimes
>>65320291Neither the satellites or the IRBMs you envision exist.
Finding a carrier group is a huge part of wargaming so they actually are somewhat hard to find, it turns out. Even with radar and satellites, the ocean is really, really big and comparatively a carrier is pretty small. The only time they're easy to find is when they're parked outside of some 3rd world nation well outside of the reach of anything they could shoot from the shore.
>>65320259>Play with that idea for a while.You're not meant to declare that you're making a slide thread, faggot. I wonder what you're trying to distract from......
>>65320259Its not outdated but the era of winning big fucking naval battles with massive fleets and carriers is long past and outdated.
>>65320300Like I said: trapped in 1970. IRL both are old enough to vote.
>>65320320Name the satellite and the IRBM then and the date and time they queued, tracked, and hit a moving ship at sea.
>>65320259>You can't exactly hide them Recent happenings show that you dont even have to hide them.The Islamic Republic of Japan launched dozen of missiles and drones against carriers and none of them hit.
>>65320325DF21. Generic SAR. Next cope please, this one's as stale as Tom Clancy's stinky corpse.
>>65320268Agent Orange.
>>65320333DF-21 has only ever been shot into open water and empty desert. Try harder.
>>65320291Do we have retail grade satellites? I would like to launch my own satellite.
>>65320259I like how 40 years of reformers tweezer jerking each other's microdicks about "muh carrier killerz" ended with 4 separate 100+ inbound ASCM/ASBM saturation strikes with zero hits while the USAF was getting half it's shit in Saudi Arabia blasted by lawnmower drones, going 0-3 against flying Arab nepo babies and having the same guy get shot down more than once in the meantime
>>65320282Satelite magnetic anomaly detection. There is a reason that the rest of the world is shitting itself over starlink/ starshield. That net is growing tighter. Same reason the US exploded into examining non nuclear submarines for a bit when it was revealed neutrino detectors could peg every reactor on the planet.https://arxiv.org/html/2404.03504v1
OP = Nigger
>>65320353Pitifully outdated again. Catch up to something resembling modernity please. >>65320366Sure. Rent some ICEYE time. Ukrainians do it all the time.
>>65320401>ICEYEWHAT THEI can build a satellite and have it launched with a ride share program. incredible
>>65320259
>>65320259no reason light carriers with VTOL craft should go anywhere maybe super carriers might have a more limited use now, but the assault ships with f35b rock.>>65320301current way of detecting neutrinos are extremely large vats inside mine complexes so its still not problem
>>65320264In in a real war with China, the only place it can be is out of range or the sea bottom. That'll only get worse.
>>65320470Sorry couldn't hear you over the sound of burning E-3s, KC-135s, F-15s, and A-10s and the deafening silence of any losses in the main strike component, the carrier air groups
>>65320370Can anyone translate this Sentence from schizo to English?
I'm guessing OP is the same faggot who claimed USS Abraham Lincoln was sailing without any escorts on a certain Leftist social media platform earlier today. Even the echo chamber laughed.This can't be Chinese since they're so desperate to emulate US carriers. Indian? Russian? Wait, did we ever get video of Iran's cargo cult carrier getting got?
>>65320548some kind of brown but sucking up to chinks as a way to get back at whitey after all other global south rebels failed
>>65320291This is such profound ignorance of the difficulty of hitting a moving target at sea over the horizon that I genuinely hope it is some high level bugman military strategist.
>>65320543Can you make a coherent rebuttal or should I accept your unconditional surrender right now?
>>65320422This motherfucker doesn't know about AT fields
>>65320770It might very well be. You know Xi's purged all his actual good ones.
>>65320470In a real war with China, the chinese would have already surrendered before aircraft carriers were deployed
>>65320259>normal airbases can't even move>guise all airbases are obsolete!you're fucking retarded.
>>65320291>can track a carrier 24/7>15 minutes lagthat's more than enough time for the ship to turn 180 you fucking moron. the detection intervals are too long. and even if that wasn't the case, actually relaying that data to a missile that is completely blind during reentry is not realistic.
>>65320924How can I make a coherent rebuttal when I have no daggum idea what you're trying to say?
>>65320422>picrelok retard
>>65320543people have been hailing different new kinds of missiles as the death of the carrier for as long as modern carriers and modern missiles have been around. Iran, a country with a massive stockpile of ballistic missiles, failed to even scratch a single carrier. Fixed airbases meanwhile proved to be very susceptible to saturation attacks using low capability drones and ballistic missiles with minimal terminal guidance, since they can't just move out of the way of a slow moving threat like a carrier can. USAF lost a few aircraft to friendly fire by Kuwaiti air defense
>>65321037>Fixed airbases meanwhile proved to be very susceptible to saturation attacks using low capability dronesThat doesn't have much to do with them being stationary, it's just the US has an egregious lack of land based SHORAD.
>>65320511Lol losing a war to Iran and saying this shit is wild. I pray everyday for a hot war against China just to see the new cope you come up with after you get btfo that too
>>65321070Loses 30 plunnies = raped to deathLoses all plunnions = total victory clean war fuck yeah
37 russian merchant ships hit in the last 72 hours, in case you were wondering what blew up.
>>65321070>l-losing a war to iranthirdies will ALWAYS use doublespeak like this>US "loses" to iran by refusing to start a full ground conflict and instead just inflicting incredibly heavy damage to their military from the air>iran tries to do the same but only gets a handful of aircraft and some off-duty soldiers that weren't part of the conflict>because the US "lost" on the technicality that they chose to give up on their original objectives, all western weapons are useless and turn to sand, american soldiers die instantly when a goatherder even makes eyecontact with them, and americans could be easily invaded and conquered by 100 goatherdersthe dishonesty of the people that keep employing this narrative is astonishing, i'm not even american and it disgusts me.
>>65321240Not that you're wrong on the general gist of things but> some off-duty soldiers that weren't part of the conflictOn the contrary, you're part of the fight if you're close enough to get hit. It's not like they were soldiers stationed all the way in Germany getting randomly knifed by sleeper agents in a bar.>because the US "lost" on the technicality that they chose to give up on their original objectivesWell yes, that's how it works, that's no technicality, and sliding goalposts is just cope. Failing to achieve your public objectives is a public loss. I will say however that these objectives were fake, and Trump achieved his real objective of bombing Iran to rubble under orders from.
>>65320370>4 separate 100+ inbound ASCM/ASBM saturation strikes with zero hitsMay we see them?
>>65321240>by refusing to start a full ground conflictYou mean failing to prepare for it.>incredibly heavy damageMeaningless sophistry. Wars, as ever, are not fucking Team Death Match.>ome off-duty soldiers that weren't part of the conflictWhen you put your soldiers in strike range of someone you're at war with, they by definition are part of the conflict the moment the enemy decides so.>because the US "lost" on the technicality that they chose to give up on their original objectivesThe US lost because it failed abysmally to ahcieve any of its actual objectives, and left Iran in a strategically better state than they were before the damn war.>>65321263>under orders from.Damn, they got him.
>>65321263>>65321272The gulf states asked the US to seems everyone home from their bases so they should remain neutral in the war. The US didn't have the capacity to send them all back to the US, so they bought hotel rooms for all of them and sequestered them in those neutral countries where they were not allowed to participate in the war, even indirectly.What the Iranians did is target noncombatants in civilian buildings in neutral countries. There is absolutely nothing impressive or commendable about that.
>>65321378>US to seemssend>so they shouldcould
>>65320259Ask yourself what better platform exists to hunt submarines in the high seas? Certainly not destroyers who have bloated into undermanned cruisers.
>>65321272>The US lost because it failed abysmally to ahcieve any of its actual objectives, and left Iran in a strategically better state than they were before the damn war.How does this make a carrier strike group combat ineffective and incapable of defending itself?
>>65321408It doesn't.
>>65321378>muh noncombatantsUniformed soldiers in a warzone are the very definition of combatants. You start a war with someone, you don't get to complain when they decide that you don't get to pick and choose which of your soldiers get shot at.
If carriers are obsolete, why is China building a ton of them?
>>65321447They were explicitly not uniformed and explicitly not in a warzone. They were being sequestered in a neutral country. You might as well argue that Iran has the right to murder POWs. Notice how the US didn't murder the Iranian sailors sequestered in Sri Lanka.
>>65321263>that's no technicalityit is when you use this very specific meaning of the word "lost" to make a giant leap in logic and lie by saying this means the US can't fight a conventional war if it puts it's back behind it.>US doesn't have political capital for iran war>this means that carriers are useless and the technical reality that thirdies have no answer to carriers must be handwaved away because "they lost"it's insanely dishonest.
>>65320370>going 0-3 against flying Arab nepo babiesdoes it really count towards your ratio when you are hit by friendly fire?
>>65321408this is the crux of the issue, thirdies are so dishonest and incapable of arguing in good faith they will always try to make statements about the technical capabilities of US gear that doesn't line up with reality because the US chose not to put it's back behind some conflict somewhere.>US carriers are very capable>n-noo they're not!>why not?>w-well the US didn't start a ground invasion of iran and thus can't conquer them, so they lost!>how is this relevant to the capability of carriers?>uuuuh uh uhhhhdisconnect the third world from the internet.
>>65321514this. the discussion is never a discussion, its always just trolling. you can always tell its a troll by how loaded the original question is and that they all seem to use the same sentence structure.
>>65321509There's the fact that a halfassed, poorly managed, and rather aimless operation by the USA was still able to neuter Iran's conventional military capability, take out multiple high ranking government and military officials including its head of state, and reduce Iran to attacking international shipping and non-involved neighboring nations to apply indirect economic and political pressure on the USA because it can't meaningfully protect its territory or interests is pretty fucking telling. The Iran conflict was a massive fuck up on the part of the USA but that doesn't make it a victory for Iran. Hell, they even could have made that claim with a straight face if they stuck to the memorandum but instead they revealed their intent to turn Oman into a vassal state and continue fucking with everyone else in the region. So not only have they weakened their position, they've insured everyone is going to put as much infrastructure and transit as far away as possible from Iran's reach, and kicked off a militarization spree among its neighbors specifically to counter them.
>>65320965>>65321011The Imperium's bigger advantage in this hypothetical matchup is that Evas must be piloted by basketcase teens who are, in all likelihood, just as likely to turn their weapons on themselves.
>>65321750You really gonna sit there and pretend that the IoM doesn't lose massive amounts of its own military constantly because guys would rather throw in with Bubonicus Backstabbington, Murder-Rapist of Souls?
>>65321272you type so chinkfully its insanevely implessive
>>65320543>expensive missile no work good>cheap drone work good
>>65321011>The ships simply start blowing up the planet on the opposite side the robot is on
>>65321378I haven't heard of that. Did Iran target the hotels where they stayed?
>>65321509Yes, I know your argument. You are correct, that's why I said you got the general gist of things correct. But it's a fact that America failed to achieve it stated political objectives and therefore lost, you could had just said that America losing is irrelevant to the feasibility of carriers rather than basing your argument on emotions, because losing makes you feel bad.
>>65321821Yes, and then they bragged about killing hundreds of American soldiers doing that. Which didn't actually happen, no Americans died from the hotel bombings although many were injured and gulfie civilians were killed.
LOL @ china carrier.
>>65321764No, I just think in a hypothetical match up, it'd be a race to see who can score the own-goal first.
>>65320380>Same reason the US exploded into examining non nuclear submarines for a bit when it was revealed neutrino detectors could peg every reactor on the planet.Huh. I remember there being tech like this in Battletech and writing it off as something that kinda made sense but I didn't really believe it was something practical.
>>65321467>They were explicitly not uniformed Lol. LMAO, even.>and explicitly not in a warzoneOutright incorrect. Sorry, not sorry, you don't get to hide your troops on a co-belligerents territory and then whine when the other side decides to strike at them.>a neutral countryEvery single one of the Gulf countries hosted US troops and allowed the US to use them as outright springboards or supporting infrastructure for their operations against Iran. NONE of them were or are neutral.>Notice how the US didn't murder the Iranian sailors sequestered in Sri Lanka.Well yes. Because unlike the Gulf countries, Sri Lanka actually is a neutral country in this, rather than a co-belligerent alongside the US and Israel.
>>65321776Nice false-flagging attempt, chinkshill.
>>65320965And this absolute tism field can cover the whole planet? It's the answer to the old why does the justice league have anyone but Superman in it question again.>>65321011You took out one ship, congrats, what will you do about the rest of the fleet.
>>65320965Imperium has weapons specifically designed to cut through psychic force fields like AT Fields in the Anti-Psyk series, that can in fact be deployed from orbit.
>>65322301Shieldbreaker missiles on Dominus-pattern KnightsVortex warheads Psyk-out grenadesPsi-maulsBlanks>>65322133Evas had access to a positron rifle comparable in size to Imperial lance batteries
>>65320259>Play with that idea for a while.I played with it for 50 seconds while pooping and realized that there is something called the Aegis missile system that makes them impervious to anything other than hypersonic glide vehicles, for those we have submarines sinking the extremely noisy enemy (you know which enemy) subs and launching their tomahawk payload against those hypersonic missiles before they're able to launch.
>>65320291Lauching an IRBM towards a carrier fleet is a pretty retarded way to guarantee your ass will get turned into irradiated fulgurite. It's about as smart as dropping a tactical nuke on Kiev to make Zelensky give up the rest of Donbabwe and Zaporizhzhia.
>>65322955Everyone's so confident that if the Chinks launched an IRBM at one of our carriers we'd immediately go to DEFCON 1 and erase China from the Earth, but where's the proof? The Houthis did that several times, and got away with desultory retaliatory strikes in return. At no point since the end of the Cold War, now over thirty years ago, has the US ever made a credible nuclear threat. How confident are you that decades of anti-nuke propaganda which portrays nuclear war as a less-than-zero-sum game where everyone loses hasn't permanently altered American culture and made us actually unwilling to ever use the nuclear arsenal we've amassed?
>>65322120The gulf states all declared their neutrality and demanded that the US remove their personnel from their bases. This is why the Iranians were able to score early "victories" against bases that were largely undefended as most of their defenses were American and the American personnel that would have been manning them were sent elsewhere. It's also why the Iranians were claiming to have killed killed hundreds of American soldiers in strikes on high-class hotels. The US military does not, as a general rule, pay to put up grunts in five-star hotels during a war. They do, however, pay to put up grunts in five star hotels when they're told they have to remove all of their personnel from the local military bases immediately and there's nowhere else that can accommodate them on such short notice.Intentionally attacking civilians in a neutral country is an actual, unironic warcrime of the sort not even the Russians would perpetrate, and it upset the gulfies to the point that even when the US briefly declared a unilateral ceasefire to get the Iranians to talk, there were gulfie aircraft making bombing runs on Iran all by themselves.
>>65322881Yeah, and how many shots did it get while needing all of Neo Tokyo's electrical infrastructure behind it?
>>65322133>>65322301The AT Field is the force that seperates one individual from another. There might be some sort of chaos sorcery that can dissolve it, but even if the Imperium had access to that sort of thing they wouldn't use it.
>>65320291Ballistic missiles can't even hit merchant ships. The reason is in their name.
>>65321263>Well yes, that's how it works, that's no technicality, and sliding goalposts is just cope. Failing to achieve your public objectives is a public loss.The objective is the destroy Iran's military and stop their nuclear program. How is that a failure?
>>65321192I was wondering. I did ask. I do care. I do hope you have a nice day.
>>65321272Ah yes the state of having no military or ability to stop the US from striking them constantly. A war that incidentally is now back on, meaning Iran is getting bombed again. Iran has no nukes and now will never have nukes. Iran has no navy and, again, will never be allowed to have one again. Every day Iran's capabilities are degraded fighting against infinite money and military force. Cry harder, thirdies lost.
>>65323246Their military is still limping on and still able to block the Strait of Hormuz almost completely.
>>65323313You don't need much of a military to damage slow merchant ships crossing a narrow strait. Even the Houthis can do it and they aren't even a country.
>>65323313Less and less by the day. Again, Iran's only "victories" were hitting empty airbases the US hadn't cleared all the gear out of yet. And now they're getting bombed again, their economy is gone, and they can no longer fund and support terror networks all over the region. It's okay to admit it, Trump won.
>>65323220Anno is such a whiny faggot, I can't fathom how people slurp up his thought diarrhea and then beg for more. Also yes, there is one hundred percent things in 40K that can combine multiple people into one body, it's not even sorcery, Belisarius Cawl has like 40 brains.
>>65320259It's a mobile airbase. As long as aircraft are a valuable piece of military tech then the carrier will be too.
>>65320259>You can't exactly hide themRetard
>>65320259Imagine it's a war game but you get to redeploy an air strip to a different location every turn.
>>65320282>It's nearly impossible to find a hundred thousand tons of moving metal in the middle of an ocean accompanied by an entire fleet that's basically an electromagnetic christmans tree in the middle of the night and could be heard by every single SONAR some 500km awaySomehow I doubt that
>>65321240>w-we didn't lose, we just chose to give up or original objectivesNow that's zigger tier cope there
>>65321240You'd be right if the strait of Hormuz wasn't closed. America failed at regime change, then switched the mission to undoing the economic damage caused by starting the war in the first place, then failed at that too. You don't have to get all your men and material killed like the ziggers to count as having lost
>>65323142>has the US ever made a credible nuclear threattwo of them, actually.
>>65320259Iran managed to evade the Shahid Bagheri getting hit for 6 days against the United States. CENTCOM mistook the Shahid Mahdavi for it on day one.The strategic deficiencies of and overdependence on air power are bigger talking points than carriers themselves.
>>65320264>An artillery battery that can be anywhere on the planet will never not have utility
>>65323861My point by the way is that if an Iranian drone carrier can evade being hit for almost a week when up against the United States, then the evasiveness of carriers isn't really in question.Pic related is her path during the war per TankerTrackers,https://x.com/TankerTrackers/status/2029825364877283587
>>65323864Yes? Did you think ships don't still have guns?
>>65323866guns in naval warfare have been exceptionally minimised compared to their primacy
>>65323861sure but that thing didn't have a fleet of ships dedicated to protecting it nor did it have any high tech countermeasures of it's own, it's literally a converted tanker.
>>65323951See >>65323865The fact it survived that long without those things only proves my point further.
>>65323864not an argument.
>>65323808>>65323811i'm not american sweethearts, you don't have to try so so hard to convince me the US lost, just don't do your thirdie twisting of reality on what actually happened and it's all good.
>>65323958i agree, just pointing out the wild difference between this "carrier" and legit carriers operated by real militaries.
>>653239586 days is a pitiful deployment time. They were probably on orders to watch it to collect info, at least for some time after it was found.
>>65324098>6 days is a pitiful deployment time.While being targeted by an enemy with total air superiority and expressed intentions to sink it? Not at all.>They were probably on orders to watch it to collect infoIf that were the case they wouldn't have sunk her sister ship within hours of starting the war mistaking it for her.
>>65323861>still pushing this dumbass narrative Butthurt nigger detected https://desuarchive.org/k/search/image/FNm4wv7MDC0Gtw1Q_S5wOQ/There's more but I'm too lazy to comb through the archive
>>65324105>Implying reality is a narrative>Only 3 posts on archive including the one you're (You)ingYou should be embarrassed.
>>65320410Possibly under a million.And what is this new "Outdated" cope? Some new chink shill thing? Is everything instantly outdated because some rice nigger can sketch the post stroke hallucinations he jerks it to?I just thought of a satellite covered in teflon, now nothing can strike it, only glance off the side while non-sticking! PAY ME!
>>65321827What is this stated political objectives horse shit?Iran lost a leader and it's armed forces got shit-fucked.That's a loss.Donald Trump is NOT dead and the US armed forces exist.That is NOT a loss.Anything else is BrownSkinThink.
>>65323313They have a horrible time trying to block the strait which only matters to thirdies anyway.To where has iran delivered any infantry that engaged other infantry?
>>65324105>>65324129>>65324139>>65324143What made you this butthurt? lolIf you're going to mass seethe like this you should just keep it to one post. You don't need to make individual replies.
>>65324147I'm white.You're not.I am forever unbothered in my suburb.
>>65323220So it's just a psy-field. This is impressive in a setting without psykers, not so much against the Imperium of Man.
>>65324139a combination of thirdie and gamer thinking where when a country loses it turns a different color on the map, along with this weird Post-WW2 mindset that every war has to result in the dissolution of a country or it doesn't count.
>>65324139India starving from lack of fertilizer, demolition Of the gulf states, niggers starving from lack of russian grain imports, POOPSANDNIGGERS dying in the ME, kino drone vids of mizrahim drone catchers,...
>>65324139I know this may be difficult to grasp for a migger with 2 digit IQ but I'll try anyways : the outcome of a war is not determined by the amount of losses but by the achievement of the strategic objectives. In the case of Iran, the goals of the war as stated by many US public officials were :>topple the Iranian government>annihilate Iran's ballistic and nuclear capabilities>destroy the IRGCNone of those goals have been achieved. Instead, the only war goal is now to keep open and secure the Ormuz straight which was not even an issue to begin with. No amount of seething, coping or calling people names is going to change that, migger.
>>65324164It's really funny because I know the opposite to be true.No real white person obsesses over brownness as much as you do.
>>65323220Even in the show its shown that you can punch through an AT field by just hitting it with a strong enough attack, That's how they kill Raziel.
>>65320366>Do we have retail grade satellites? I would like to launch my own satellite.We literally do and you literally can if you have like $200k to spare and are flexible on what orbit you getLook up cubesats
>>65320259if you touch a carrier, you'll get nuked, so no.
Doesnt the US knock out airfields as a sport? Havent airfileds proven infinitely more vulnerable to drones? Dozens of american and russian planes have been lost on airfields the last two years alone, and not a single craft has been destroyed by enemy fire on a carrier in any poster here’s lifetime. The safest option is rather provably aerial refuel leapfrog from fuckoff cross-continential range but carriers appear to be a very close number 2.
>>65326181>not a single craft has been destroyed by enemy fire on a carrier in any poster here’s lifetimeThere were probably some drones or helicopters or something on the Iranian carriers that were sunk. Also I'm sure there are anons here who were alive when the Atlantic Conveyor was sunk; 44 years is a bit past 4chan's primary demographic but not impossibly old.
>>65323861You are mistaken publishing date for recording date. Or rather, you are pretending to.
>>65326234They say "Today" on the March 5th post. Not "At the start of the operation" or "Last month." "Today."There was also a timeline posted by Hegseth that showed the Shahid Bagheri as being sunk on March 5th.
>>65321041Turns out if you are avoiding damage and have the option of being stationary or traveling ~.5 nm every minute while defending against inbound weapons with no mid course guidance and extremely limited, if any, terminal guidance, it turns out the first option can't get enough SHORAD and the second option doesn't need it.
>>65326449If we are taking Centcom's media feed as gospel they also say they struck it on feb28th.
>>65320259Every tool made is a tool we have.It's stupid to avoid using our tools.Every tool has a purpose, and a place.We just wait for the time.>they're being used right now
>>65326701If they had struck her on 28 February, why would they retroactively change it to having struck her on 5 March in two different sources on and after 5 March, unless they misidentified the Shahid Mahdavi for her until actually sinking her on 5 March?Not to mention she's seen underway on satellite imagery before being stopped on 5 March. >>65323865
