The thread topic is self explanatory. Does the DPRK have enough atomic weapons that in a extreme situation they can wipe out Beijing?
Well Norktard what do YOU think?
>>65320498I was asking you for your opinion, like a good listener i am willing to ask other people for their opinions and hear their thoughts.
>>65320492Easily. A random ohio class submarine can do it more efficiently
>>65320492The highest estimate of their stockpile is around 90, and their largest yield is 250 kt, so assuming every warhead reaches its target and they were all the most destructive payload they can be; they still only cover 144 square miles of Beijings 6k square mile footprint. So yes in best case scenario they could wreck the chain of command if they were selective with their targets, but no there would be vast swathes of the city left largely undamaged if the intention was to wipe it off the map.
>>65320528Thank you AI but i think i know the offensive capabilities of the DPRK more than you do. I think that the DPRK could do it, a nuclear strike against the PRC that would kill everyone in Beijing. I am not suggesting that the DPRK attack the PRC, i am just pointing out that the DPRK can turn Beijing into a bowl of glass with the push of a button.
what is the likelihood that it was actually china that sank the russian boat carrying nuclear reactors intended for a new dprk sub?
>>65320518Ah hell naaaw blud they named a submarine after ohio :skull:
>>65320542>Thank you AI but i think i know the offensive capabilities of the DPRK more than you do.>I think that the DPRK could do it, a nuclear strike against the PRC that would kill everyone in Beijing. I am not suggesting that the DPRK attack the PRC, i am just pointing out that the DPRK can turn Beijing into a bowl of glass with the push of a button.Than why are we having this thread Norktard? We don't need you constantly spamming this board with posts where you fellate the DPRK because your autistic brain happened to latch onto the North Koreans and not trains.
>>65320508fair, but i dont really have a good grasp on nork capabilities or Beijing's ability to react/intercept.They seem pretty close. Considering norks might have the ability to get a sub close enough to sea launch a warhead armed missile I would figure at a bare minimum an out of no where launch would catch Beijing completely off guard and lead to millions of deaths before the North is completely pulverized.
>>65320558The PRC has no ability to stop a nuke from hitting one of its cities. China's strategy is to tank nukes to the face and if people die then they die.
>>65320542So wait. was the purpose of the thread for you to post your question, wait for a no, then post your answer?I do love your particular brand of autism tho. Anyway, I would agree with you. That at least norks have the capacity and capability to vaporize a metropolises. Be it Beijing, Seoul or Tokyo or whatever. So I guess short thread? Any other parts about this to discuss?
>>65320542>i think i know the offensive capabilities of the DPRK more than you do.I have no doubt, but if youre not disputing the numbers then we're in tacit agreement they simply lack the area coverage to do it, even if they are all max yield and reach their targets successfully and thirdly that the norks are willing to expend their whole stock on a single target, which is all unlikely. For them to kill everyone in Beijing with what they have, you're heavily reliant on secondary effects like food shortages, burns and radiation sickness for the bulk of your kills.
>>65320572>>65320573>Does the DPRK have enough atomic weapons that in a extreme situation they can wipe out Beijing?My basic question is can the DPRK kill everyone in Beijing with multiple atomic weapons.
>>65320587Literally eveyone? noMost everyone, noA fuckton of people? yes
>>65320508My opinion is that you should find a good length of rope and a sturdy beam to tie it around, tripfag.
>>65320542You have brain damage, seek help.
>>65320542>DPRK could wipe out Beijing because, ugh, well like.. they just could okay?!Feel free to expand upon your thesis if you feel this an unfair characterization.
>>65320572>The PRC has no ability to stop a nuke from hitting one of its cities. Think 40-50 of them all at Beijing.
>>65320762Sure, but you can expect a proportionate response. Pyongyang will likely not exist after.
>>65320807In the DPRK's defense, at that point they would be firing atomic weapons at every nation on earth and half of humanity would have a very short life span..
>>65320827>half of humanityGiven they likely possess well below 100 warheads, I find this expectation unlikely.
>>65320827Japan has more than enough patriots and SM3-IIa missiles to deal with North Korea launching on them. South korea has its own THAAD system. poor China's going to get fluffed
>>65320858The DPRK has a friendhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option
>>65320972In what schizo world will Israel chimp out on behalf of North Korea?
>>65321348>Norktard post>In what schizo world>
>>65321348>>65321427I meant in terms of strategic thinking when it comes to deterrence, not that Israel would defend them. Christ you people can be be so fucking stupid sometimes, can't you tell i'm using you to plauasabily check a fucking book?
>>65321736>Christ you people can be be so fucking stupid sometimespot, meet kettle
>>65321772What i meant is it should be obvious that i'm writing a wargame type scenario. It is a pain in the ass because every time i think i have it figured out reality changes in such drastic ways that i hadn't considered those changes as a viable possibility.
>>65321804No, you never said that. It's literally a sign of autism for you to assume people are aware of what you're thinking about.
>>65320492Hopefully.
>>65321736so north korea's strategy is>if you attack us, we'll fire our nukes at Israel, who will nuke you and everyone else before they go outThat seems unlikely
hey norktard, genuine question, please answer honestlydo you think best korea is a good place to live? better than the west, worse? like do you think it's a genuinely ok country or what?
>>65320492there's zero evidence north korea has nuclear weapons. there's nothing you can point to as proof.
>>65320572>100 million dead chinks Decisive Chinese victory.
>>65321804>out reality changes in such drastic ways that i hadn't considered those changes as a viable possibilityIs what ways has reality changed recently that alters the facts in regards to NK being able to eliminate Beijing?
>>65321843Huh, i thought i was being obvious about it. Why else would i be asking about things like the details of the airport runway in Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk and how many AN-2s it could handle per hour? Why would you possibly want to know that besides in the context of a North Korean Airborne assault?>>65321873I meant the idea of a Sampson policy as implemented by the DPRK not Israel itself, are you being deliberately dense?>>65321875It is a horrible Orwellian nightmare, i am sure it is safe to walk the streets at night and crime is almost non existent but the place is hell on earth for people used to western freedoms. If you are just the average person living your life and not attracting the governments attention? It is just normal life when there isn't some sort of emergency. People live their lives, have good days and bad days and just get on with it. The nation itself sucks in terms of freedom but life there is just like life everywhere else.
>>65321906>I meant the idea of a Sampson policy as implemented by the DPRK not Israel itself, are you being deliberately dense?They don't have enough nukes for that policy.
>>65321898I started 10 years ago then lost damn near everything in a fire so i've been doing this for a while. At that time they didn't have enough delivery systems and warheads to make a creditable threat of exterminating Beijing, they do now. The same goes with Russia; at the time i assumed they would at best end up in a bloody stalemate with Russia in a conventional war. The idea that they could smash them into mulch wasn't even in consideration.
>>65321906>what? You werent aware of me talking about AN-2 in a different thread?Actually autism. I liked you when you were a green house fetishist. Stick to their industry grown topics. Writing papers on that will be more likely to be published than some shitty wargame short story.
>>65321906>life there is just like life everywhere else.i disagree, but thanks, appreciate the answer
>>65321924My scenarios all feature agriculture in major ways, fisheries play a big part in why they would fight China for instance. The whole thing is part of my belief that the USA/DPRK should be de facto allies; for that to happen the DPRK would need to be confident that they could defend themselves against Russian or Chinese intervention. Militarily i am confident they could deter them; in Russia's case they might even pursue a expansionist policy. However they would need agricultural self sufficiency for that to work in the long run. Just being a foe of Russia and/or China does not ensure that they could rely on Western nations for food imports. Agriculture not military might is the primary limiting factor.
>>65320972>samson option This is just MAD.
>>65321963>war novel with industrial farming and fishing thrown inMake a couple women pregnant and you'll be the next Clancy
>>65322034My pride and joy is figuring out that while a China/DPRK ground war would just be mostly a slugging match over the Yalu the mountain war would be one of the most epic battles in human history.You want a battle the Norks will absolutely not allow themselves to lose at any cost? Try them kicking China off of their half of Mount Paektu. If i was China i wouldn't even try to stop them, that is not a fight worth having.
>>65320492>>65320508>>65320542I'm thankful that your inflated ego causes you to have a you have a trip, so that I can filter your posts.
>>65321736You're not pretending to be retarded, you're just being retarded and schizo.Israel does not launch for DRPK, ever. Nuclear chimpout DRPK vs China means China folds immediately after first strike and North Korea soldiers on, slightly cancerly.Epic chinese loss simply due to the event happening.
>>65321906Dude take this as a sign you are at least on a different, if largely paralell reality.
>>65320508>"like a good listener">ignores anything that doesn't match his preconceived notions
>>65322059China would absolutely rape the Norks lmao
>>65321892With their population, that is a drop in the ocean. Would actually be a victory compared to a similar level of casualties with another country (less India)
>>65320528Salt the nuke to convert it into an enhanced enduring radiation weapon and you'd only need one.
