Given the lessons of GWOT that:1. An army designed for full-scale wars of annihilation struggles in irregular peacekeeping contests where combatants don't even try to match the US in a stand-up fight.2. The differences in outcome between regular units and National Guard units with backgrounds in policing.Is it worth considering another branch of the military focused almost entirely on garrison work? A formal recognition that the two schools of thought between wars of annihilation and irregular warfare deserve equal space without going the full Green Beret route. That feels like a natural fit for the generally older National Guard but it would be something of an expanded scope to also include the intelligence work from both elements of uniformed intelligence and the CIA alongside the anthropology work that the establishment started to lean into at the end of Iraq and Afghanistan.This idea isn't at crazy as it sounds. It revamps a military institution dating from the age of imperialism and the hypothetical asks what such a force would even look like.
>>65321608MP's.
>>65321612There's not enough of them.
>>65321608>1. An army designed for full-scale wars of annihilation struggles in irregular peacekeeping contests where combatants don't even try to match the US in a stand-up fight.... when organizations like NATO make up gay rules of combat so that you don't obliterate your enemy too efficiently. There, I fixed that for you; after WW2 all wars have been slowly but surely turning more gay.
>>65321608Army isn't designed for the civil sector. You have police for that.
>>65322001I concur. Lets start ripping city police departments out of their bases like we do to NG units and send them abroad for garrison work.
>>65321608ah. still pondering on how it couldn't be fixed? tragic, isn't it?listen.you can beat up your enemy. and you can rape your enemy. and you can keep on raping and abusing them for as long as you want because you're stronger. chain them down in your cellar, slap them around and keep on giving them the dick in every possible hole, big or small. if you're big enough of a shithead and everyone's scared of you, you can murder your rape victim very publicly and get away with it. well, as long as you stay strong. in other words total domination and annihilation. gas, glass, throw the pieces into the trash. you can do that. and you can get away with it. historically speaking this has taken place quite a lot, it's the pragmatic choice. because defeated people like abuse victims usually hold a permanent grudge which is generally bad. which is why rapists and smart generals are alike in a sense that they finish off what they started.but here's where it gets crazy. what if you don't.you beat up and raped your enemy.alright.and you chained her down in your cellar.alright then, we're still in the scope of evil things.and now you want to watch romantic comedies with her, because you want to "build her up" and make her a "good housewife".you buy her expensive things and force her to wear them.>cmon baby, that anal jewel's a real diamond!and you decide to put that abused sex slave of yours in the kitchen to make some housework. and now we're surprised that she attempted to plunge the kitchen knife in your neck. some could argue she only did that because you didn't hit or fuck her hard enough. but others would argue that's always going to happen because of the nature of the situation. and then there's the third group who argues that you got to keep her in the basement, get her pregnant and let the offspring live upstairs.and that's basically GWOT in a nutshell.
>>65321608Fun fact about the unification of Italy: The Pope was sour about it, so he told the Catholics to engage in civil disobedience and to limit their co-operation with the Freemason ruling class to the barest minimum.
>>65322418How and why did the freemasons get a foothold in Italy?
>>65322538He's being hysterical, we never did
>>65321608No, being on garrison is not a special skill, hence why for most history it has been relegated to 2nd or 3rd rate units with bare bones equipment.THe problems with modern insurgencies is that they tend to encompas entire nations. Taking colonial powers for example, they could compensate for their lacking numbers by hiring mercenaries or allying with other tribes to keep the population suppressed. This is simply not possible with modern nations, culturally and politically they are not just geared towards, but naturally inclined towards total war against foreign enemies. THe nation state became the dominant state model for a reason, they are far more resiliant.As for how to solve it, it's easy: Total war, drop the formalities. Counter-insurgency works if you commit full military occupations, destroy any semblance of liberty for the people. It doesn#t even require genocide or concentration camps like the British did in South Africa, modern surveillance technology can make it a lot less bloodless preventing terrorists from receiving help and going undercover amongst the civilian populace.
>>65322550Yeah, man. That worked well for you in Nam. That war was no holds barred (cept Nukes). Why do you think the US shifted away from that kind of war afterwards? Let me tell you why. You'll be dealing with a domestic insurgency among Americans if you keep doing what you rehashed. The American founding myth is that you're the good guys. Stooping to Putin-esque tactics will shatter that myth and it nearly did during Nam, destroying the glue that holds Americans together. So, do it. I want to see America and Russia get balkanized in my lifetime.
>>65322550Consider most third world nation states are artificial constructs that were propped up by said colonies which came before them. The reason the US lost Afghanistan was precisely because the republic sucked shit and had no support among the local tribes, and not even the drones everyone is currently gooning over were able to keep it afloat. Same thing happened to Rhodesia, and is what's happening to Somalia.In order to win a modern insurgency, you find a segment of the population to promote over everyone else, and remove their competition.
>>65321608GWOT was basically how can we teach these camel fuckers a lesson without going genghis khan on them?and we absolutely could have, but at what cost?
>>65322882North Vietnam was a nation state, and we never invaded north. Terrible example, read a fucking book.
>>65321608You just described the Banana Wars-era USMC. Also, Thomas PM Barnett recommended something similar about twenty years ago. He advocated merging the Air Force, Navy and Marine Air into a strike warfare branch, and Army and Marine Ground into a constabulary force. A shotgun wedding of Air Force and Navy sounds interesting.
>>65321608fascinating. I wouldn't mind reading a short report about this.
>>65321608>lessons of GWOT>not literally every single fucking insurgency in historynot like there was vietnam or anything
>>65321936geneva doesnt apply to irregularsROE was made by the US itself you sociopathic retard
>>65322083We do that with our Feds in Australia, they essentially do tours in pacific and other small countries teaching the locals how to do community policing, law enforcement and detective work. They also do arrest and detain people as well as part of that transitional period of changes.In a less cooperative environment, you'd have to go in a lot harder with what is essentially occupation forces. Which can incorporate some native units but its always been kind of sketchy as anyone whose dealt with spear chuckers and afghans can tell you- they're mostly lazy, corrupt, very fucking stupid and can't be trusted
>>65322550except the retards that decided to invade afghanistan and Iraq kept insisting on it being somehow done as cheap as possiblewhat your proposing is even more expensive than half ass occupying a country for 20 yearsnot to mention half the retard non-goals of the occupation was "building the democracy" cant do that if your going FULL belarus/yugoslav on people, you do that and the retarded Idea cheney and (((neo cohens))) have that the US can totally do whatever without buidling consensus with europe explodes in their face and the EU becomes a thorn in the side of US operations if not leading to kicking out the US in europe
>>65323625>no ground warfare forceNo wonder nobody listened to him
