Is this a good, budget friendly armor back in medieval time?
cuh didn't buy that with four easy payments on Credova.
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no. next slide thread please.
>>65323153This isnt /pol/ you dim
>>65323152You might as well fight naked.
>>65323162Source?
>>65323149Whos budget?The polishing required for the etching and fire gilding alone would have costed a few years of a common worker wage.
>>65323418>gambesonIt's a D&D trope and invention. Such things are paddings worn underneath real armor. At the very least some sort of breastplate or chainmail.
>>65323590Ok, I get it. Memesons were overhyped by retards and armchair historians like Shartversity. But this is just full retarded too.
>>65323590>>gambeson>It's a D&D trope and invention.No it isn't and while metal armor is obviously preferred, it costs money and if you didn't have the cash, you wore a gambeson with a helmet and whatever bits of armor you could loot off dead guys (assuming you lived).
>>65323590>>gambeson>It's a D&D trope and invention. Such things are paddings worn underneath real armor. At the very least some sort of breastplate or chainmail.>>65323608>Ok, I get it. Memesons were overhyped by retards and armchair historians like Shartversity.>But this is just full retarded too.This is either blatant samefagging or 2 bots talking to each other.
Open, quilted leather jackets and trousers were worn by Scythian horsemen before the 4th century BC, as can be seen on Scythian gold ornaments crafted by Greek goldsmiths. As stand-alone cloth armour, the European gambeson can be traced at least to the late tenth century, but it is likely to have been used in various forms for longer.[citation needed] In the Middle Ages, its use became widespread in the thirteenth century and resembled a tunic. Eventually, it made way for the pourpoint (jack or paltock) in the 14th century and had surplanted the gambeson in Henry III's Assize of Arms (1242).[7][8]The gambeson was used both as a complete armour unto itself and underneath mail and plate to cushion the body and prevent chafing. Evidence for its use under armour does not appear in iconography until the mid-twelfth century.Although they are thought to have been used in Europe much earlier, gambesons underwent a revolution from their first proven use (in the late eleventh and early twelfth centuries) as an independent item of armour to one that facilitated the wearing of mail. They remained popular amongst infantry as cloth armour. Although quilted armour survived into the English Civil War in England as a "poor man's cuirass" and as an item to be worn beneath the few remaining suits of full plate, it was increasingly replaced by the buff coat—a leather jacket of rough suede.
>>65323149chainmail and wool padding as m'lord intended
>>65323747chainmail is expensive
>>65323149homemade padded gambeson stuffed with wool and rags, or battlefield pickups. A chainmail shirt was 3-4 months of labor, a cheap bascinet was a month of labor
>goodWe've seen far worse, but it has its issues. Primarily the modern obsession with putting the tassets on the sides instead of in front.>medievalRenaissance.
>>65323149Pads and limited plates.To need a skull cap as that works wonders for strikes from above. Everything else you are budgeting weight money and flexibility. Even a layer of droopy fabric outside all your other armor can tangle and soak up blows without taking away mobility. Idk if I would want a weapon tangled in my clothes during a battle but it's better than it swinging around.
>>65323149Hollywood is terrible. Why do they invent terrible mishmash of different armors when real thing already exits?
>>65323631>Keeping your pants pulled down Guess it helps getting them dysentery squirts out quicker.
>>65323827I am not an armor guy but isn't the idea behind this a high ranking dude can look cool with the heavy cav but also get down and walk around like a normal dude? Hold a spear or a sword or a note?
>>65323827Because it looks boring. Are you blind?
>>65323827the only hollywood movie that did armor right was kingdom of heaven
>>65323835>kingdom of heavenLiterally redit: the movie
>>65323842idc, the armor was realistic.
The cheapest, effective and complete armour was a brigandine.
>>65323894cost of brigandine vs full curiass depended on where you were, as was the preference for it's use.
>>65323149>Is this a good, budget friendly armor back in medieval time?noI will grant that maybe he took off his helmet temporarily, but the chainmail hauberk should at least go down to his wrists, his elbows are badly exposedhe should have properly articulated gloves, his fingers are asking to be chopped offstupid fool shelled out to pay for that gold paint but not to complete his outfitkids these days SMDH>>65323590although it is true that aketons originated as under-armour padding, by the time of the Renaissance, gambesons were also being worn over armour, so you're not entirely correct>>653238271stly they won't pay for expert advice, 2ndly it may be cheaper than sticking to the real thing, 3rdly they don't care>>65323831nothing to do with thatproperly-fitted armour is heavy but still allows the wearer to do shit like get on and off a horse, walk around, run, etcbecause, yknow, on the battlefield it's pretty important to be able to parry attacks quickly, and run, and climb up scaling ladders and such
>>65323906It depends also on quality of the brigandine. It was fashionable in certain times and places, and high quality ones were expensive, but I am talking about common, popular armor.
>>65323149Too many unnecessary gaps for a high-end plate armor and too many decorations for a munitions grade armor.
>>65323149Hollywood Sloppa /10.As mentioned exposed fore arm fingersgilded but only one side of armorno helmthere's more but yeah this is stupid and fake.
>>65323834>i have shit tastei feel sorry for you.
>>65323149>budget friendly armor back in medieval time>16th century king tier gothic plate
>>65323827they don't know and they don't care; neither do normies, who will consume whatever slop is put into their mouths and unquestioningly accept that the past was just like how they saw it portrayed
>>65323162then stop being poor
>>65323827Just to be aware OP pic is from a show that has dragons, it's fictional, realistic armor does not matter.
>>65325122That's not an argument
>>65325122So?>aaaah it's fiction it's not real it doesn't matter! Anything goes!Anything does not go. The world still operates by its rules and reasons; ignoring this is simply retarded.
>>65325466I love when fanbase fags go full autism on studying lore and then the nigger writer the suits hire shits all over it, making their already pathetic knowledge completely wortheless
>>65325543>they can do whatever the fuck they wantso can I, and I want to say you're a retard.>>65325557I don't really care about the show, though it is fun when these tards make garbage and lose money
>>65325122But it's not running on high fantasy/D&D rules.
>>65323631That's not a gameson that's a fucking shirt.
>>65323831not reallythat's a relatively late suit of armor for a cavalry guy who would be using and facing people with guns. They stopped using metal armor for the lower legs to save weight, so the armor could be thicker elsewhere, notably the breastplate.
>>65323827>Why does Hollywood think they know better and not care about the truth?
>>65323944>gambesons were also being worn over armourThat makes no sense.
>>65324417It is slop buy>gilded on only one sideHow can you tell, he is wearing some type of retarded sash.
>>65323830Having your rear constantly exposed is just how the Lombards rolled. They wanted everyone to have a good look at their caked up Lombooty.
>>65323149>That much decoration>elbows exposed>chainmail doesn't even cover his fucking elbows>No visible Cuisse, presumably no Poleyn or Greaves either>NO FUCKING HELMET>giant fucking split in the chainmail directly over the crotch and femoral arteries>Shit tier gauntletsThat is pure slop OP.
>>65326316gambesons being worn over chainmail or other armor were a thing, yeah.gambesons/padded/quilted armor were of varying thickness and fit, so thicker gambesons over, say, a chain shirt that's closer to the body, is quite reasonable.
>>65327220chainmail was worn over the gambeson>t. reenactor
>>65327228>>653263161stly, a padded aketon a.k.a. arming-doublet, then 2ndly a mail shirt and coif, 3rdly individual plates attached to the shirt, a.k.a. a coat of plates, over which4thly was a cuir bouilli leather hauberk a.k.a. cuirass,over which5thly a silk surcoateventually the coat of plates and leather hauberk was replaced by the full plate steel hauberk which we all know and loveat this point, aketon-mail-plate, the surcoat was reinforced and became an over-armour gambeson made of layers of leather and silk, which not only was decorative but provided additional armour (and could be bloody expensive)gby the late medieval era, whenever the plate cuirass was omitted and substituted for say brigandine, an additional gambeson of leather and steel was usually added, either under or both over and under
>>65327216In fairness, this is some lordling from one of the richest and noblest noble houses in the series at that point hence the excessive decoration, I believe this is a scene where he's receiving a messenger hence no helmet, and the split in the chainmail is likely so that he can comfortably ride a horseI won't defend the rest though
>>65327437Fair points, but even the wealthiest medieval lords understood that fancy armour was for showing off, and that practical armour was for battlefields. All those gilded and engraved suits of medieval armour you see in museums were basically just fashion pieces - and the few decorated suits that were used in combat were generally later medieval/early modern designs and built like fucking tanks under the decoration (or occasionally for later kings who would be directing the battle from just close enough to the combat that nobody would call him a coward afterwards). I suppose I shouldn't expect TV or Hollywood to give much of a shit about my historical armour 'tism; but it would be really nice if they did.
>>65327220If you're wearing it over the top of your armor then it's a surcoat.
