Arena-M active protection systems seen on a few recent tanksT-72B3A in this case
Also on a T-90M
>>65324352>>65324353ISW believes that the Russians think that drones will be solved at some point, and thus are stockpiling modern tanks for a war with NATO. I'm not sure if I believe that Russia has a stockpile of T-90M's.
>>65324443>stockpilingthey're not stockpiling anything, they're still losing more tanks than they're building.
>>65324443>t90m>modern>stockpiling>war with NATO
>>65324353>>65324352impressievwith this techno-tactical innovation the oligarch lords have blessed us with, our patriotic simian hordes will finally break the crest defense, and mighty POCCYA will return to its veritable place as the sovereign of europe
>>65324483>the REAL POCCNR hasn't even begun to fightkek
>>65324483>They are losing the older model and stockpiling the newer model100ish tanks were damaged and/or destroyed in the month of June. July's current count is roughly 53>while the total number of tank they have is decreasing, the number of newer model they have is still increasing.Lol, lmao
>>65324918While we're dealing in unfortunate truthsHow many tanks did they have before the war, and how many do they have now?
>>65324918>>65324352I'm sure these will give the fuel back Pidora.
>>65324918>russia is stockpiling more vehicles that exist purely to turn their crew into cosmonauts from the mere hit of Carl Gustavyeah, it is pretty funny anonin fact, they should continue making them
>>65324443>>65324483But their newer tanks are just as shit as their old ones. Disregarding drones, all their newest models fared horribly against pre-war AT weapons supplied by NATO.So even if drones get solved they’ll run into the same issue as in 2022 where javelins, nlaws and Karl Gustavs will btfo their tank. And this isn’t even taking into account that NATO has far more planes and helicopters than Ukraine.
>>65324443Drones may be a manageable issue in the future, but thats not going to solve a lack of air power. Russian air defense has been impotent, even before mass attrition
>>65324918what's another "truth"? That Russia is winning?
>>65324443>xaxaxa stupid nato faggot drones can't get us now!>NATO Air Supremacy ensues
>>65324926>How many tanks did they have before the war,Around 3600>and how many do they have now?Around 3600.They started with mostly modernized T-72s, some modernized T-80s and a few T-90s.The curretn force is 'upgraded' T-55s (low hundreds), -62s, (800 to 1k), a mix of upgraded old-ass T-72s and -72As (mid to high hundreds) and more modern -72B versions (most numerous, exact mix of T-72 is hard to tell), and a number of -T90Ms (200 to 300)Please note that this includes tanks rebuilt into assault sheds (mostly T-55s and T-72s), tanks stuck in BTRZs, tanks deployed in the far east, tanks asigned to 'loyal' guard divisions around Moscow and Peterburg.My personal working assumpotion is that they limit tank use on the front to what they can actually replace. And they just about cleand out their storage.All they have now is the backlog in the BTRZs, and MAYBE some actual mew production.Well, we know they can make T-90M turrets, so I guess they will just use T-72 chassis and plop new turrets on them.
>>65325083You cant honestly believe this, can you?
>>65325083And what of the 7000-9000 tanks they had in reserve stockpiles? Stockpiles which are now verifiable empty with satellite imagery.
>>65324519>the REAL POCCNR hasn't even begun to fight*Technically* correct since it's not actually been reconstituted yet. The first big caveat is this "modern" mechanized force is going to be massively smaller than anything they had at the start of the war, and won't be able to sustain Vulhedar style losses. The second being that while holding the modern AFVs back and shifting to infantry infiltration assaults has made the losses of those vehicles kinda sustainable, personnel and older AFV losses are *not* sustainable relative to contract soldier recruitment numbers and the legacy Soviet boneyards running on fumes. So at the tip of the spear tactical level some NATO guy in a Baltics contingency might indeed have to worry about some reasonably modern Russian Armor protected by APS. But obviously that's pretty far removed from zigger cope about the hordes of Tank Guards Armies being held in reserve for when the gloves "finally" come off.
At the current refinery attrition rate the T-72B3B will need an engine that runs off decaying mobiks as that seems to be the only thing Russia has a surplus of.
>>65325083>The curretn force is 'upgraded' T-55s (low hundreds), -62s, (800 to 1k), This is the funniest part. You didnt just pull that number out of your ass, you took the highest, theoretical, best case scenario; then inflated it even further by implying 0 lost in combat
>>65324443I was going to say that this was retarded, but there have been recent reports that Russia might be planning to escalate and start shit with the Baltic states, so it kinda fits that narrativeGod I hope they start some shit, so that they may find out what Real Fucking NATO is
>>65325094A charitable interpretation would be that most of those were inoperable and were thus cannibalized for parts
>>65325251Would that be better or worse than them being pressed into service and destroyed in the field?
>>65324443>>65325083>Russia's real tank fleet has yet to arrive to the front lines.I fucking hate how OSINT retards on twitter just shovel Jompy's absurd declaration about a mystical russian tank fleet that is "bigger than its pre-war fleet" despite front line losses being on par or outpacing Russia's monthly produciton rate of refurbished and "new" tanks.>>65325223Last I saw, there were still close to 780 T-62s still sitting in storage and in terms of T-55s there's barely 100 of them left in storage and as far as I know, the 55s are being sent to the front lines as soon as they're driven out of the repair plants once refurbishment is over and done with. And according to OSINT, the T-64 engine problem of them just flat out not having the capabilities to make those engines was resolved "this year" but who the fuck knows if Russia is capable or even willing in producing just shy of 450 engines for what would be a one-off tank refurbishment program. That all being said, of these three tank hulls, how many of them are even capable of being refurbishable and not just sent to the scrap yard?
>>65325259Better since the scrap metal/spare part tier tanks would just break down the moment they start moving for more than 100 feet. At least for the ones that were capable of even moving in the first place
I wonder how this shit is still up when we got two gatling spin threads deleted.
>>65325272Jompy might be good at counting but he's a dumbass for taking Russian claims at face value. Just because a hull isn't at a storage site anymore does not mean it is a the front or in a reserve. Odds are large that after a factory inspection it would be stored elsewhere or (more likely) sold for scrap. With how desperate Russia is there is 0% reason for them holding their armor in reserve (apart from a few units to beat down any uprisings).
>>65325272Jompy and Covert Cabal somehow lost the plot. Shame.
>>65325301>Janitor acceptance emails will be sent out over the coming weeks. Make sure to check your spam folder!a zig gets in every time and then we have to put up with it for a little bit
>>65325301The third one has been going pretty well
This dude's a good source.https://xcancel.com/Jonpy99
>>65325094>Stockpiles which are now verifiable empty with satellite imagery.Destroyed in Ukraine.IF you assume 30% overclaims by Ukraine, that roughkly fits to within 1k.
>>65325088I can believe the sat images and the OSINT people doing the counting.I can correlate Oryx confirmed kills to what the Ukr MoD claimed.
>>65325430So if they started with ~3000 tanks in service and ~7000-9000 in reserve, and now they have ~3000 tanks, do they have the same amount of tanks as they did before the war?
>>65325223Oryx lists around 400 T-62 irretrievable lost, total.Russia had over 1800 of them in storage, before the war. The storages are empty now, or only have de-facto wrecks left.Assuming that 800 of them are left in serivce is reasonable. Might be fewer, but blithely guessing that the Ukies got them all is overly optimistic.We saw relatively few of the actually modernized ones in combat.
>>65324511Once Novorossiya RETVRNS to its Native Harbor (Rossiya), Rossiyan scientists can return their attention to civil developments.Then we will finally be able to revive Catherine the Great as a Futanari.Hiet, a cloned ARMIYA of Futanari Catherines the Great, even.
>>65325303Covert Cabal just regurgitates what Jompy says. If you read through Jompy's twitter and then watch a video from Covert Cabal it's nearly a 1:1 with what Jompy says. >>65325302To be fair to Jompy, he does state that not every bmp, tank, or whatever hull that disappears from a storage yard is a 1:1 refurbished tank/bmp. >>65325445It's possible, but we don't know the actual current tank fleet size since not every tank that was in storage was reasonably capable of being refurbished. Some of these storage yards had a noticable phsyical yardage increase in their scrapping sections. If satellites had picked up known tank unit bases with a fresh batch of tanks or a sudden noticable usage of their training grounds than OSINT twitter would have been spamming it for weeks/months of end. For as far as we know, front line tank units get mauled and those in reserve are sent in to replace them. >>65325457There's still nearly 750 T-62s left in storage as of early-mid June 2026. >but blithely guessing that the Ukies got them all is overly optimistic>We saw relatively few of the actually modernized ones in combat.You're also not accounting for hulls that were used for spare parts or rendered nothing more than scrap metal.
>>65325272>Russia's real tank fleet has yet to arrive to the front linesNo anon, it will not arrive.What they have left is mostly spread around Russia to keep up their official strnegth in the Far East, around Moscow and Peterburg.We see that they mostly stopped using tanks in the daily numbers. And they cannot replace, or are close to not being able to replace what they lose.The thing you have to understand is that Russia will NEVER 'run out of tanks', they will stop using and losing them, to maintain a set number.And that point has essentially been reached.And they will keep building a few T-90 turrets each month, plop them onto refurb T-72 hulls and claim 'look world, we built a new tank!'What Russia is doing here is a shell game of deceiving themselves into being able to state the technicallly correct 'we have the same tank force as in 2022'They just forget to mention that they burned through almost ten thousand tanks they had in storage. Those are GONE, there is no 'next wave', or 'real Russian army'
>>65325303>covert cabal lost the plotBut have you heard about Doctor Lee's STEM CELL CREAM, as seen dicussed on *JOE RIOGAN?*
>>65325483>We see that they mostly stopped using tanks in the daily numbers.According to Ukraine's MoD, they claimed to have damaged or destroyed 12 tanks over the last two days, so I'm not sure what you mean. The Ukrainians have also said that they captured a T-72B3A after it ran out of gas and the crew abandoned it. Russia is still using tanks, just not for front line assaults. We also know that the Ukrainians are going after arty and other combat vehicles with their mid-strike campaign so that would explain why June had a total of 105 tanks hit/destroyed and while July is already half that number. I'm not saying that every tank hit is destroyed or rendered useless, but you get my point about Russia still actively using their tanks at or near the front lines
>>65325517>claimed to have damaged or destroyed 12 tanks over the last two daysThat is noticeably up from the last two or three months.And the Ukrainians have concentrated on artillery for most of a year now, what is new is the lack of fuel. This should reduce Russian tank use in the coming weeks, while allowing Ukraine a 'surge' of relatively easy kills.
>>65325528Yes, yes, we've all heard this one already.When the mighty russian bear raises the eyebrow weak westerners will simply understand everything, something something, welcomed as liberators, something something the real russian army and so on and so on...You don't understand how MUCH I wish a nigga would. I know I shouldn't wish for another war to break out, but I really wanna bask in the completely dumbfounded silence you niggers would be reduced to in the hours following the complete and utter rape of whatever the russian army would have cobbled together to attack the baltics.God, it'd be glorious.
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>>65325528Well in that case declaring war on countries supplying Ukraine should not be any problem at all, right? Sp you should just do it and see what happens :)
>>65325445>~3000 tanks in service They probably had a few more, but maybe those were in the Far East. Russia has a tendency to not count vehicles deployed there.>~7000-9000 in reserve*StorageCalling them a reserve is stretching the definition. They were very much not in service, and for the most part not in serviceable condition. This is why they have BTRZs, and why we don't know exact numbers.>and now they have ~3000 tanksMaybe. My guess is they keep the on-paper tank force at the pre-war number so they can report to the Czar that the tank forces are at fulll strength.Of course they started with modernized T-80s, T-72B3s, and T-90s, and now they've gone down a generation or three and run T-62s and Urals.If your point was that they lost 7 to 9k tanks, yeah sure. They burned their Soviet stockpile. What they have left in storage is probably junk, suitable to be ARVs or bridgelalyers etc. after refurb.In combination with the equally brutal BMP/BMD losses, and the looming fuel shortages, the Russian Army is going to be an infantry force soon.
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>>65325642I was shitting on the anon who said they have the same amount of tanks as they did pre-war, which is only kind of true if you don't count the several thousand they had in storage which are no longer in storage for some mysterious reason.
>>65324352TANK IS FINEYOU FUCK IT, IT ONLY GET HEAVY AND STILL NO TAKE SMALLEST SECTION OF KYIV METROPOLITAN AREA. GO TO PROCUREMENT AND DOCTRINE DEPARTMENTS, OBTAIN OPERATIONAL BREAKTHROUGH, THEN YOU NOT NEED DUMB SHIT PUT ON TOP OF MEDIOCRE SOVIET TANK
i can't tell whether the tanks are incredibly shit or crews are incredibly shit. Or both. i find it difficult to believe you can fuck up this badly with so many tanks. Don't they say a tank is a tank at end of the day? as long it got the cannon it can do something before it croaks. Maybe they just have too many which makes them complacent and be like "Oh well we still have 5 bazillion rusting T-62s in our stockpile so it's ok igor" forgetting the crew was cooked alive and they have to get more slabs of meat to pilot the tank that will be even more incompetent than the last
>>65325651That was me.You seem to think I'm some kind of zigger shill or something.I'm actually a very moderate European.I just think that loudly cheering the death of the Russian tank is premature.They keep a sizeable reserve, one that they do not have directly in teh fight in Ukraine.Wether it's 800 modernized T-62s, 250 T-90M, X or Y amount of Ural shitboxes vs. T-72B3M, doesn't really matter.I just prefer to err on the side of caution.
>>65325712Keeping a sizable reserve is a far cry from having as many tanks as they did pre-war.It's less than half, and as we've seen, those numbers will dwindle very quickly should they actually try to use them in combat.
>>65325517There's a lot of tanks being used defensively in Ukraine on Russia's side, they rarely do assaults, mostly as quick reaction forces.
>>65325717>Keeping a sizable reserve is a far cry from having as many tanks as they did pre-war.Again, pre-war 3k to 3.6k in service.The whole storage shitheap took them years to refurb and get going, and they are still working on that.They burned through those 3.6k by aboout 2024, and that rate has only slowed late last year.The simplle fact is that the storage bases are empty now, which means that whatever was there is eitehr in service or being refurbed. We know they practically never waste time scrapping tanks, they just park them and let them rot. If a vehicle iis being mooved to a BTRZs, chances are it's thee to be refurbed, even if it's almost a fulll rebuild.As a sidenote, I think it is very much possble that they can't actually build T-72 hulls right now, and all their 'new' T-90s are new turrets on refurb hulls.
>>65325759>Again, pre-war 3k to 3.6k in service.Again, minus 7000-9000 in storage
>>65325514ngl, I love how ~75% of the comments on the latest vid (at least when I saw it) were just dunking on him for that ad. I'm not going back and giving it another view to see how things are now, though, because if he's gonna pull that bullshit then he's not even remotely reliable as a source.
>>65325781Yes. The Soviet stockpile is gone. Russia's tank force died in the fields of Donbass, or if you want to be poetic you can say that it died trying to take Kharkiv.Honestly, I'm surprised they are still using tanks near the front. It seems they have a serious EW and AD deficiency, too.In gaming terms, this is the death spiral.
>>65325823Yeah, that ad has hit a number of creators. It just feels like a 100% scam.
>>65325834Because it very obviously is. Still, it is nice of creators to mark themselves as unworthy of attention in such an obvious way.
>>65325855jokes on them, nobody is getting any ad money from me
