A trio of Corsair USVs drive up to a sub repair dock at Bandar Abbas and detonate.I remember some dumbfuck on here exclaiming that "America has nothing to learn from Ukraine". I wonder what would he say about this.
>>65327490After 4 years of war, they only learn this? I am pretty disapointed.
>>65327491The current administration really, REALLY doesn't want to admit Ukraine is doing anything well.
>>65327490Also why the fuck Iran did stopped throwing missle and drones at Tel-Aviv? thats the only thing that is entertaining from this retarded war.
>>65327494>current administrationYou american change administration every 5 or 6 years. Doesnt it Fuck your country long term planning. I mean every administration seems want to undo what previous administration doing to please its fanbase.
>>65327490Now we wait for the global south to cry about being unfair war crimes.
>>65327490>ignorant turdies think they know it all after reinventing the wheelAmericans were hit by suicide boats and were developing countermeasures before Ukraine had even reached the Reichstag
>>65327501It just means every fuckup has a chance to be corrected by reality every 4 years too.Countries that barely change leadership end up with embedded corruption and systemic problems that the leadership misses or ignores until they die in 30 years and you hope the new leader noticed the problem. If the system mevrr changes the corruption never adapts.The problem currently with the system is that the media and lobbyists have become all powerful in democracies, and the peoples choices now never matter.The problem with dictatorships however is they can be ran very well, even better than democracy, but you need extremely good leadership, which is not only rare, but very rarely survives more than one generation of leaders. When they fail, they fail hard, and often the militaristic populism needed to survive being a dictatorship means they never get ousted when they fuck up.
>>65327490did we run out of JDAMs already?
>>65327491Your inability to understand the difference between "learned" and "first use" is telling.
>>65327575Replacing the Biden admin with the second Trump admin was such an incredibly positive change for America.
>>65327501previously that wasnt an issue, things got polarized
>>65327490>Ukraine invented driving explosive laden boats into naval targetsThis has been a tactic for thousands of years
>>65327587I'm assuming that is a joke.There is a difference between functioning democracies and oligargopolys parading to be democracies, anon.
>>65327603Democracy stopped functioning when the Dems appointed Kamala undemocratically. At least the Trump Oligarchs arent hiding behind an autopen.
>>65327546Seems like the efficency of these countermeasures were leaving a lot to be desired
>>65327546and yet they started building USVs of that type after Ukraine showed it's usefulness, curious
>>65327616>one (1) US destroyer damaged in a small boat attack, not even permanentlyWell you celebrate what wins you can get, I understand. My sympathies.
>>65327603Someone who doesn't know the word for "oligarchy" telling you democracy is over in America is really emblematic of the modern left.
>>65327639Remind me again whose satellite controls those USVs are using?Also, DARPA has been prototyping USVs for decadesThe US just hasn't had a maritime enemy to use them on until now
>>65327490>I remember some dumbfuck on here exclaiming that "America has nothing to learn from Ukraine". I wonder what would he say about this.The US has tested every single relevant thing one might learn from Ukraine years, if not decades ago.
>>65327656also please ignore that the US was dabbling with fpv bomb drones since before the war
>>65327670what we learned most from this war is that air superiority is what prevents your war turning into WWI trench combat and america is 100% justified for having so much aircraft.
>>65327670Look, i really dont want this but you american really need to get reality check for your own good.Do you remember the buckbroken e-3 sentry? the one on the airfield that is supossed to be safe?
>>65327721I'm not American, you stupid nigger.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_Cost_Autonomous_Attack_System
>>65327721Begone, Ranjeet
>>65327721Remember how the US killed your ayatollah and how Russia failed to kill Zelensky?
>>65327732>>65327756>>65327761What with the hostilities? I just pointing out the fact that american did not learn enough from ukraine war. The proof i bring is the destruction of E-3 sentry on the airfield. Something that should not happened had they studying the lesson from war in ukraine.
>>65327678>what we learned most from this war is that air superiority is what prevents your war turning into WWI trench combat and america is 100% justified for having so much aircraft.Then it turned out that missile supremacy suffocates air supremacy by deleting the airfield and that the only viable forward deployed air resides on ships. The reaction should have been the construction of multiple 2500 feet drydocks capable of holding the giga-hulls of next generation super super carriers.
>>65327490a tomahawk could have done the same thing, quicker, from further away
>>65327490I imagine what he has to say is, and I quote, "cyka bylat the ass is in the kettle and everyone understands the bears".
>>65327490Pretty sure that USV cost more than a JDAM
>>65327494Let's see evidence of this versus the prior one, because /k/ isn't your therapist for you to cry about the chuds still owning guns and "Mamala" losing.
>>65327783>Saaaar the one planeYou ignore all of the succesful intercepts using novel techniques to get to the conlusion that a sub 100% interception rate means the US isnt one of the few countries proficient in handling drone spam.
>>65327612Technically you can put more blame on FDR, then LBJ, then BO for building the system that made this inevitable. I wonder what all three of them have in common?
>>65327656Curious some people still thinks ukraine invers all when it's the western venture capital R&D and support glueing everything together. If starlink was cut off ukraine would be crying like bitch.
>>65327801It doesn't. You're talking about bases literally left undefended because the host countries asked the burgers to leave those bases and then not only treating it as a straightforward attack but also drawing the most retarded possible conclusion from it because Russia and China have lost massive amounts of face from their interception systems doing jackshit to stop American attacks.
>>65327864invents*
>>65327490Is this the new turdie cope? America makes a sea drone and uses it so now everyone has to come here screeching about how this should be humiliating for the US because Ukraine invented slapping a warhead on an uv? Ukraine and Russia are not benchmarks of success, they are cautionary tales of corruption and being ill prepared.
>>65327864It's a weird thing to argue about because Ukraine and the US aren't competing, giving our guys in one side of a conflict stuff we want to field test and taking notes on how they use it is just good military policy. I guarantee these attempts to fake some argument between burgers and ukies are redolent of the stink of borscht and sodomy.
>>65327870I don't think they understand how warfare or military development works, which fits because Russia, China, Iran, and the whole retarded thirdie cabal can't fight their way out of a damp paper bag.
>>65327855True, but I consider 2020 and 2024 to be the mask off moment on the authenticity of democracy. Before the elections at least had some semblance of being sacred and unmolested.
>>65327883I think Obama privately acting like he was a pharoah whenever he could did something to them, you're not wrong but the roots of the problem go back to the concept of replacement migration and the fact that it's easier to just buy new voters than keep appealing to your traditional base.
>>65327497Because Israel will go after leadership instead of pussyfooting around
>>65327881Few years from now we'll get to hear how they invented trench warfare and self contained metallic cartidges
>>65327603Yes it is shocking that Trump managed to win despite how much democrats tried to kill democracy in the US.
>>65327836it would get intercepted by AD
>>65327865>It doesn't. You're talking about bases literally left undefended because the host countries asked the burgers to leave those basesThe burgers were forced to leave because it started to rain big kabooms from the sky and small kabooms came flying at low altitude. Even if most of them were shot down, just one going trough had the potential to cause damage worth 100s of millions of dollar, which happened multiple times, like f.ex with this E-3 sentry. That is why the burger airfleet had to be rebased to the rear. This does not stop the burgers from bombing Iran, it just adds 4-5 hours of flight time, one way, then back again. This means unusually fast ageing of the airframes and also a low mission rate because of the long flight time. Contrast this with the previous burger strategy of basing tacair 200 km behind the front, with transit times of 12-15 minutes to the strike area, then a quick return to refuel and rearm and then doing it again. You cant do that when you are forced to base your air outside IRBM missile range. It is not a coincidence that the F-47 is rumored to be a very big aircraft. It needs to be in order to have a huuuge range. Another burger "what the fuck were they thinking" was that tanker that got shot down by a type 359 loitering missile over Iraq. It was not the first time it was used against american aircrafts. Yet burgers sent tankers flying over ground that they did not control and the predictable happened. So yeah that anon has a point. America didnt do its homework properly.
>>65327883'mask off' started in the 2000 election when democrats convinced themselves that Gore won
>>65327918The F-47's range is a result of needing to strike into China.
>>65327918>The burgers were forced to leave because it started to rain big kaboomsWrong. The Sauds bottled it because they ran out of missiles and had to ask fucking Israel for help. Israelis are right now defending Saudis from drones and missiles. The Saudis admitted this, very quietly, a few days ago. The war is now ongoing because the Saudis got the Arabs to promise not to accuse them of being Jewish collaborators for this.This conflict is driven way more by political brinksmanship than by technological capability.But all you know is hurrdurr iran stronk, you shit-eating turbonigger.
>>65327847because planes are free right?
>>65327918>Just make shit up, inshallahThirdies, everyone
>>65327922Mostly because their cope was "Dubya will definitely be the last R president" with Jeb scripted to lose to Hillary and kicking off an era of single-party rule that would gradually split into a Democrat and Labor party. Instead, we all know how things turned out.
>>65327491A Corsair was also used in the search and rescue op that brought back the crew of that downed apache. They were able to hitch a ride on its back and get moved to a proper extraction.
>>65327490>I remember some dumbfuck on here exclaiming that "America has nothing to learn from Ukraine".The US has been using drones for longer than Ukraine, Retard.>>65327656>>65327672Exactly.
>>65327963Also, a bunch of the Arab countries asked the US to pull out most of their equipment, because they thought that by doing so, Iran wouldn’t chimp out and attack them.They were wrong.
>>65327874yuropoors are also desperate to shame the burgers into joining the war, because they know their economy cannot prop up Ukraine single-handedly. or at least, that the amount of aid the Americans are NOT giving them is exactly the amount they could be spending on their welfare states instead of Ukraine, and they seethe about it.furthermore, if you look at named and blueticked Ukrainian accounts, you'll see that they too take every opportunity to shit on Americans, because they also know they depend on the burgers, they see Trump's withdrawal as a decision that cost real civilian lives (with merit), and they're not two decades past being snowniggers themselves, it takes a while to get it out of their systemnobody's telling the truth. they're all taking the most politically-expedient path.>>65328039>They were wrong.YepIran is now shooting them even harder in an effort to drive a wedge in the alliance. or in other words, the terrorists are shooting the hostages and saying "see, it's not my fault, SWAT did not protect you from me, blame SWAT"
>>65327490>routelolSeems the Iranians need to learn a lesson from the Russians about how to stop USVs from deep penetration of their harbors.
>>65327889that sounds like a proper ceasefire
>>65327918>Another burger "what the fuck were they thinking" was that tanker that got shot down by a type 359 loitering missile over Iraq. Lolwut
>>65328047>nobody's telling the truthwell you certainly aren't
>>65328062They will also need to cough up money to use the strait.
>>65328085no u
>>65327491>>65327494we've had this tech before Ukraine you dumbasses using this instead of all other options for blowing it up isn't anything special
>>65327969Sure sorties aren't that expensive when you have almost full air supremacy
>>65328062just nuke that port
>>65328175always leave a path for escalation that you control
>>65328047Seeing America stop funneling money into Democrat NGOs operating in Ukraine and instead giving the Ukrainians meaningful gifts of info and gear has broken so many leftist minds because they counted on US aid getting laundered and used to fund their campaigns for so long, it's a very easy way to sort out leftist shills from genuine pro-Ukraine types.
>>65328110Thirdies actually thinking Iran might get a bribe and being totally unable to admit it wasn't happening was the funniest thirdie arc. Those tolls belong to America, global south.
>>65328110>20% on all cargoNobody is going to pay that. A ULCC can transport 3.5 million barrels, roughly $280 million fully loaded at the current spot price. Toll on that would be $56 million per shipIt feels like he just sort of cooked that one up on a whim
>>65327918>You cant do that when you are forced to base your air outside IRBM missile range.I guess somebody forgot to tell the Navy that according to the rules you will get blown up if you base your air well inside IRBM range and keep it there for months at a time. Hmm. That's crazy that must violate physics or something.
>>65328174man, armchair generels sure are something else. they will pretend risking a 80 milion dollar plane and trained crew(not to mention fuel costs and using up airfame hours) to drop a dumb bomb than to just use a cheap uncrewed spicy boat.
>>65328083>LolwutSomething that didn't happen.
>>65328224>>65328204The fee being for escort, not for wanting passage.
>>65328257It's fine, it'll go away once Maersk presents him with the newly created Maersk Golden Trump Peace Prize
>>65327801>b-by d-deleting the airfieldit does no such thing, these strikes leave a few pockmarks at best.why do thirdies always use histrionic language like this? why try to use doublespeak that everyone knows is bullshit?
>>65328350It's face saving chest thumping faggotry. The same reason they hype up ballistic missile strikes on Israel and Ukraine even though they barely kill anyone.
>>65328241I mean using USV that still cost near a million dollar is not a effective tactic when cheaper glide kits exist. It's more about sending message and testing.
/pol/ said USA lost and a carrier got hit?
>>65328392They also keep saying Russia is winning.
>>65328110>cause problem>provide protection from said problem for exorbitant sumclassic protection racket. mob state.
>>65328157>we've did all this before everyone .. we know it all.This is the great fear. That the US command has descended to this level of ignorance after all the Hegseth firings. It's not the fact that you can have a programmable drone that can follow a path. That's just a cruise missile. It's the fact that a low, slow drone can go enough lower than a cruise missile that it can slip through buildings and trees and bypass the existing search radar. It's not that you have a USV. It's that you know how to launch from a site which the Russian satellites don't pick up. There's a reason there were hundreds of casualties and plenty of lost planes in the first weeks of war with Iran. There were people that learned from Ukraine in US ranks but they weren't allowed to work to protect the forward bases.
/pol/ says in a few weeks the SPR oil runs out and the US will be fucked?
>>65328201>meaningful gifts of info and gearCan you name what "gift of gear" have been provided to Ukraine during the Trump administration?
>>65327732They still need to scale that price down but it's a good start.>was cancelled>30k back in late 90s>US coulda been spamming SUAS kamakazi drones for 26 years now but we didn't.Every time I look into it I get more and more angry that just like with IEDs we knew the fucking danger of SUAS for decades and we could have solved it decades ago but we didn't.
>>65328399Not exactly, anon.EVERYONE will be fucked. /pol/ users fail the mirror-test so they may not realize that nuance though.
>>65327497Because they don't have as many as they had at the start of the conflict.
>>65328399>>65328440Wait, there's problems with the SPR?
>>65327490USVs have existed long before the Ukraine used them. What is it about Ukraine that attracts these completely deranged retards that think they are the first guys to do everything?
>>65328453Its empty in 2-3 weeks
>>65328453no, just the two weeks meme
>>65328481fr fr?
>>65327490We study unique methods even if they're not something the US would use, because we're war autists. We have to have the most awesome anything even if we shelve it.
>>65327587It was going to be horrible and they won't run Zombie Ron Paul or Robo-Reagan so my choices are exhausted.At least this sucks too.
>>65327855God damned ugly wives?
>>65328562all I want is a leader that isn't shitting his pants regularly, man, apparently it's too much to ask for in the XXI century
>>65328611Please god in heaven find the man that can reduce taxes, increase the military, and give government contract spending the finger. I worked for government doing infrastructure. The shit they pay for is still criminal. Competing fucking engineers on scene for a local non ambulance 3-5 ton neighborhood road. For a crew that already builds them daily.
>>65327847How about all the money it takes to get a jdam over the sub pen?
>>65327847why would you want to deny a state from trying to learn from using a weapon?
>>65327913>AD>Iran
>>65328517Agent Orange admitted they were kinda low.
>>65327497They are hitting US bases in Kuwait, Jordan, Bahrain and Oman.The US just closed their embassy in the UAE over "security concerns".This is all in the last few hours so reporting is slim.https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2026/7/13/iran-war-live-us-bombs-iranian-cities-again-as-hormuz-standoff-intensifies
holy fuck this thread is a shit shownot even an "implessive"? I mean come on it's kind of cool you've gotta admit. You guys are a bunch of pansies
>>65329035Why are you acting like a retarde zigger?They must have used something to shootdown the many reaper drones they have.
>>65329124Sorry but after Ukraine we are kind spoiled.
So Iran fired all their good shit in the first few days it looks like?
>>65327501>Doesnt it Fuck your country long term planningThat's why it's been so hard to Trump to repair the US. Realistically the elections should be suspended until the country's fixed. As it is there's gonna be some kind of voting scam to make sure Democrats "win" at every turn.
>>65327490apologize
>>65327494TDS
>>65327603Check your testosterone levels.
>>65329507https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FCGrkGlkAI&t=11
>>65327612>I'm making terrible decisions but at least is my tribe and not other tribe bunga!Man
>>65329534Yeah I'm not polluting my recommends with that link
>>65329536Trump was a great decision. The next great decision would be to stop the left from winning any elections ever again by whatever means necessary.
>>65329549Your loss, TDS has a great theme.Also.>RecommendsFucking normalfags
>>65329564By your standards, all wars between America and non-whites, in which Americans die, would be Americans "dying for Israel"
>>65329582>you'reOh, you're some kind of foreigner brown, and therefore irrelevant.
>>65327490>>65327491We could have used a dozen different weapons to achieve the same effect.
>>65329582I don't see how one connects to the other. The Holy Land belongs to the Crusader States aka the White man, not to brownoids, nor to jews; on the other hand, Bibi and the Israelis aren't pushing leftist politics in my country, it's the Jews that are here that are doing that.
>>65329601Whiter than you Paco
>>65329608Starving children in Africa could have eaten that boat.
>>65328406Javelins, tomahawks, starlink, vehicles. Just not raw cash funneled into "Ukrainian" companies packed full of prominent Democrat politicians' wastrel relatives with "half for the big guy".
>>65329613Funny how for some people they only have a problem with Jews when they aren't destroying the West.
>>65329488why? he was wrong.
>>65327497the israel-lebanon-hisbollah peace talks are still ongoing and fighting has pretty much stopped on that front for the last 2 weeks or so. the iranians probably dont want to fuck up the negotiations.
>>65330233>negotiating with The JewsYeah, i dont think there will be any peace.
>>65329488Where were the lightspeed motorcycles that could have saved Iran?
>>65328455some experimental prototype peace time demonstrations dont really count. they are rigged and not indicative of real world performance. ukraine used them against a peer power that is theoretically capable of deploying countermeasures, in a real war for the first time.the american achievement in this that the ukie drones are guided by starlink, so without america the ukie sea drone success wouldnt have been possible.
>>65330233Why..., why in the name of Allah S.W.T the hisbullah wanna negotiate with Iseral???Each of them should strap a bomb to themselves and blow up Tel-Aviv. No mercy for the jew. This is perfect time for hisbullah to die as a syahidd, a martyr that guaranted to go to heaven.
>>65330233>the iranians probably dont want to fuck up the negotiations.Why? They fuck up every negotiation since 1979.
>>65328110Imperator Donaldson Trumpenstein, Guardian of the Strait of Hormuz, Slayer of Ayatollahs, Protector of Elon, Thief of Presidents, and Thunderhead Over Greenland!
This isn't a very good thread now is it?
>>65328110He's already walked it back. Didn't even last 24 hours kek
>>65327678With all due respect, why didn't that "air superiority" help US to win against Iran?
>>65330533"winning"
>>65330585Iran not neutralized, regime not changed, its ability to launch shit at other countries not removed, strait not opened
>>65330595it's over when it's over.
>>65330234point to the war between Israel and Jordan or Egypt
>>65330609who said it's over? you're the one coping over a 60day MOU for a ceasefire, not the end of a war.
>>65328110I voted for this.
>>65329488Hes more clownish by the day? Was there even a single US ship sunk? Or even hit?
>>65330522Proofs?>>65328396>>65328257Winners win. Thirdies either buy GOOD AMERICAN OIL or pay for use of the USN.
>>65330659>muh nafo>in 2026kek ok chechen bait
>>65330533It did.
>>65330659Why are brown people so buckbroken by nafo? You've been screeching about your gay twitter feud for like 5 years now. Also you have to go back.
>>65330595Iran's ability to do anything including function normally has been completely degraded, as much as you can without doing war crimes. The US has effectively annexed the Strait. The "regime" is dead, cardboard, or former toadies that didn't have the talent or ambition to pose a threat to the Supreme Pedo that have no authority over individual elements of the IRGC. You lost. Trump won.
>>65330609>>65330659Oh it's this commie falseflagging again.
>Thing is so expensive!!!>What does it cost?!>So many tax dollars!!!These are the concerns of cultures with rice-based diets.
>>65328224>It feels like he just sort of cooked that one up on a whimIs that everything he says in public?
>>65330811>Deflection into thirdie seethingAw lil Achmad misses Obama so much.
>>65328481https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9v-33jcEDk4
>>65330756ironic because they come from places with normalized tax evasion
>>65327497Most US air defenses in the region have been moved to Israel. So to get anything trough to there they need to launch too many drones. US soldiers bases in the region and Saudi / Emirates targets are much less defended and just a better target as it takes fewer drones to get through and the Iranian production of drones is likely not so high anymore and they need some stock to keep Hormuz closed.
>>65327670Yeah sure bro. Is that why the Iranians managed to blow up 2 Thaads, bunch of super expensive radars and a AWACS just because the US did not move them for days so that even without real time targeting the Iranian could just yeet a drone at a map coordinate using basic daily satellite photos? US is just now understand cheap drones are a thing and that you don't need a 10 million dollar drone to blow up a truck
>>65328110To charge fees he needs to open the strait first or there is not going to.be anyone passing to collect from. Which he can't do. So he is just talking our of his ass. Maybe Cushner had a leveraged oil position and wanted some help
>>65331159Expensive for thirdies perhaps. Also lol lmao how are Iran's radars?
>>65331168>Which he can't doIran has proven completely incapable of stopping the USN or anyone it's shepherding from going through the Strait. So yes, he can do it.
>>65331284>how are Iran's radars?replaced with flags, more intimidating
>>65329475>WE NEED TO STOP ELECTIONS UNTIL MY FAVORITE ORANGE NIGGER IS POPULAR AGAINTranny behavior
>>65327501It has its pluses and minuses. Iran would probably be more willing to negotiate if they didn’t think the Democrats were about to take back the house and spread cheeks for them.
>>65328396Hey he asked for help dealing with this shit. Nobody wants a nuclear Iran and everyone wants the Strait of Hormuz open but nobody wants to actually do anything to facilitate these things.Trump did it. The world will benefit from it. Thus you fucking freeloaders will pay.
>>65327490>some dumbfuck on here exclaiming that "America has nothing to learn from UkraineIt is always the same midwit retired O-4/5s that supplement their retirement checks being a military expert for russian television.We're seeing US USVs in combat because for the first time in 37 years the US has actually needed to use new technology. The average rc ardeuenopilot youtuber could build a competent USV, especially if assisted by a few thousand dollars of budget. It is even easier when you've been sharing intel with Ukrainians in exchange for watching them fight the war. We can build USVs as good as Ukraine because we can teleconference with the Ukrainian USV builder and operators. The talent to build our own from that starting point is minimal, and the US has access to talent, both military nerds and defense contractors.
>>65331836>Trump did itmay we see it? Last I checked strait was still closed and Iran is still a theocracy
>>65327847JDAM (bomb plus guidance kit) is $4,500 to $40,000. The fuel and maintenance hours to fly the jet over to the target and back exceed the cost of the bomb.But the USV is probably less than the total mission cost to drop the JDAM.MLRS rockets, including the ATACMS are also surprisingly cheap. Really the expensive part of the military is the trained people.
>>65328396>Trump is a mobsterThe EU has considered sending warships to escort their vessels in hormuz and decided against it. Continued passivity is not a strong negotiating position.
>>65331981Go wait in line for gas Ivan
>>65331948>in hormuz and decided against itbecause it's fucking retarded and you can't viably protect ships through a narrow shooting gallery. There's 2 real options forward.A) invade and subdue iran with ground forces.B) Make peace largely on Iran's terms because they're literally on top of the most important and easy to interdict energy artery on the planet. A fact which has given past presidents pause because they weren't stupid. Yes even Bush II.The other options rely on Iran spontaneously collapsing and forgetting the strait exists.
>>65331991>the EU plan is to aggressively surrender to Iran's tolls while complaining to the US that international maritime law says it should be freeI don't know what else to say except that international law is literally only the willingness to use violence. And apparently nothing else.
>>65332005So why is Trump so weak and ineffective that he hasn't assembled the 500k+ ground troops to invade Iran and get this shit done?Seriously, we're at the point where the cheapest, simplest and most sensible option is to go all in on nuclear power and renewables. Why are we looking at spending a $trillion+ bombing random buildings and docks in Iran for the next few years again?
>>65332013>So why is Trump so weak and ineffective that he hasn't assembled the 500k+ ground troops to invade Iran and get this shit done?even if he wanted to, there's no domestic support for that, so it seems like you're just posting out of spite.
>>65332013>Why are we looking at spending a $trillion+ bombing random buildings and docks in Iran for the next few years again?one half of the US government have dedicated their life to this very moment (direct war with Iran)
>>65332065>the worst of the economic damage from the first round was staved off by slurping down the entire global strategic reservethats not an option anymoreThis is a wierd redd1t cope
>>65332072How? He's right. Trump drained the SPR to keep prices from going astronomical during retard campaign 1, he has less to do it now than before. Hell it's at the lowest point its been this century.
>>65332013>why aren't you putting boots on the ground?Because this strategy works better and doesn't cost lives. >renewables>sensibleoh nevermind you're a retarded commie
>>65332065>everyone gas $ goes up retard>gas is priced on a global index,Gas is priced on the expected cost to refill the gas station tanks, which happens about weekly. This is a local cost that the gas station pays. Physical proximity to pipelines and refineries reduces this cost.Yes the global market demand and futures prices are a factor. But no, it is a very real and localized actual cost with an uncertainty margin because the cost of ordering the next fuel truck is uncertain.
>>65331981>holy FUCK literally no one on earth gives a single FUCK about that except forAll of their neighbors >this is an American board first and foremostSo fuck off back to thirdie internet
>>65331930>strait was still closedBy America, and Iran can't stop the US using it, so effectively it's the Strait of Trump now.>Iran is still a theocracyIt doesn't matter what they call themselves if they're reduced to the point where any of their neighbors can casually beat them up now.
>>65332120>ran can't stop the US using it,they're currently doing that though, look up strait traggic number they fell off a cliff and have yet to recover
>>65327501Consecutive administrations are supposed to be working on the same broader goal of improving the country which should result in only the bad stuff being wound back but America fucked it up and now their politics is dominated by corporations and retards flinging shit at each other
>>65332311that largely worked, it started going downhill with Bush II
>>65327911Not really, as a general rule democracies tend to fail deadly. The more shits falls apart, the more likely people like trump are won elections, which then causes shit to fall apart even harderIts a vicious cycle
>>65332324I'd say Reagan really screwed the pooch on partisanship
>>65328355I have another theory about thatThere was a Ukrainian strike on a semiconductor factory in Russia recently that officially killed like 5 people, but was accompanied by a bunch of social media activity implying that around 300 deaths actually occurredMaybe a part of what's happening here is a response to how their own governments consistently downplay casualties from accidents, disasters and enemy activity. They see "5 dead, 24 wounded in missile strike on city" and assume its like in their home country where every second family in the region has at least one member who was amongst the "five dead"
>>65330210All of that was either not trump or trump 1.0Post 2024 trumps entire contribution to Ukraine's war effort has been cancelling every aid package he could and refusing to authorise any new ones while telling Ukraine to surrender
>>65330533Wars not over yetPersonally I expect this one to go the distance, the US and Iran will be passing and shitting over the strait for years to comeThe decisive factor that ends the war will be non military and outside the control of both sides. Demand destruction (possibly led by China, who has a strong incentive and good position in the renewable sector) will eventually render the strait economically irrelevant thus removing Iran's leverage and any reason for the US to stay involved at the same timeHistory will mark this conflict as one of the most pointless wars ever to occur
>>65332403It's the mediaThe gun issue would've been dealt with decades ago if the media actually informed people on the issues instead of being partisanslop Nobody would be bringing up muh 300 school shootings or salt weapons if the media worked properly Also this is a guaranteed a problem in whatever country you're in as well
>reee democrats>reee democrats >reee republicans >reee republicans Am I in /pol/?
>>65332510>the impact of any presidential administration's fiscal and monetary policies takes effect instantaneously instead of over years and even decades>every president does exactly what they want, with no compromises handed to the other party whatsoever>hurr durr fox newsDems can't even define a woman.
>>65332542It is weird how it jumps during every single dem presidency and then dips so quickly on the election of a republican. Reps are responsible for, what 7% of post ww2 growth?
>>65327883Or when the DNC tried to make us think Mitt Romney was an evil Christian theocrat racist rapist
Can you political fags fuck off?
>>65332594>the impact of any presidential administration's fiscal and monetary policies takes effect instantaneously instead of over years and even decades
>>65327918nigga the Navy had Super Hornets doing gun runs over Iran
The Ryan 147 Lightning Bug is up in warplane heaven looking down at all the fun his grandkids and great grandkids are having around the world.
lmao the absolute state of this shit lib discord board
>>65332613You don’t care about guns or anything military related here. You just want to shitpost about political bullshit
>>653278831960 election was dirty AF bro
>>65332083SPR is the new petrodollar, isn't it? A magic word thirdies throw out hoping that the US will somehow collapse by winning too hard.
>>65332368Yeah giving them Tomahawks is really telling them to surrender, Shareblue nigga.
>>65332613Shills be shillin'>>65332616You can't own any of them, thirdie. Go cry for Obama to come back.
>>65332690Cope as you like, 1985 was the last time it was this empty. It's suboptimal to be burning it for fuck all.
>>65332699>assumes I’m a thirdie and an Obama fan You have got to be some derailing pajeet. I have guns but clearly you don’t since you do nothing but bitch about the board. Get fucked political fag
>>65332695He didn't do that tho
>>65332606
>>65331934>MLRS rockets, including the ATACMS are also surprisingly cheap.GMLRS is 170-200K dollars, ATACMS is 1500K to 1700 K dollars. Thats not cheap.
>>65331981>board likes war kino>ukraine produces ton of war kino and are a based nation entirely defending themselves in a black and white conflict, like a larger-scale version of a man shooting some looting nig who entered his home>US finally starts to copy some of the kino>people point it out>NOOOOOO WHY CAN'T YOU JUST BE HAPPY THE US FINALLY HAS UKIE STYLE SEADRONES!!!!i am, now stop crying like a little bitch.
>>65332377>Demand destruction (possibly led by China, who has a strong incentive and good position in the renewable sector) will eventually render the strait economically irrelevant thus removing Iran's leverage and any reason for the US to stay involved at the same timeOil is not just a fuel its also used as a raw material for all kinds of organic compounds like plastics, asphalt, paints, anything with polymers. That demand wont go away with renewables.
>>65333312NTA, but that's surprisingly cheap. A Javelin withan 8.5kg warhead and 4km range has a current unit price of $500,000. GMLRS is a fucking steal at $200,000 for a 90kg warhead that you can throw at targets 80km away.
>>65333314>>65333401The swaths of history that get overlooked because of recent eventsarticle related https://www.standingwellback.com/german-explosive-remote-control-speedboats-of-ww1-and-ww2/
>>65330533You cant win a war with air power alone... at some point you need to deploy ground forces.We tried this is WWII. We tried to defeat the germans in southern italy by running 24/7 patrols to strafe and bomb supply lines. The idea being we could starve them by destroying 100% of their ressuply by patrolling the narrow 80 mile diameter peninsula.What happened was when the trucks were destroyed they used wagons when the wagons were destroyed they used carts and when the csrts were destroyed they forced italian civilians to carry boxes a few miles by night into the combat zones.You cannot 99% cut off someones supply by air you always need to send ground troops in eventually
>>65333314Next up youll see a Predator for the first time congratulate the US for finally having Bayraktars. Lmao
>>65328397>hundreds of casualties and plenty of lost planes in the first weeks of war with Iran
>>65329408A lot of the remainder got blown up somehow. Takes a while for China to ship more
>>65331934>The deployed Saronic Corsair vessels are 24-foot-long speedboats that cost less than $1 million each and can carry up to 1,000 pounds.Yeah man so cheap
>>65333793>false equivalencei accept your concession
>>65333401>p-people point out this is not trueyou didn't do that, you just got angry.
>>65331981>Iran posessing a bomb is on different than North Korea, China or Pakistan or fucking India for that matterSo something humanity would be much better off without? Thanks for making the argument for why we should bomb Iran.
>>65333906>no u
>>65328610True. Malenia mogs.
>>65332311We'll purge the commies soon bro, it will be fine, they love diving in front of ICE guns to protect child molesters.
>>65333904Its the same exact thing you fool. The US has autonomous systems for decades.
>>65332510>But the banks made money from importing illegals to steal American jobsI feel so so sorry for them now that they can't do this anymore. Oh wait I don't, thanks Donald.
>>65332510That's not only a lie, it's a silly lie that outs you as a shill because even leftists don't pretend this anymore.
>>65333835But wheres there deadly hypersonic death missiles /pol told me about?
>>65333965that is what you're doing yes, you should probably stop, it's embarrassing.
>>65330700>Hes more clownish by the day? Was there even a single US ship sunk? Or even hit?No hits sir, only laundry fires, sir
>>65334176Chinese tofu dregs please understand
>>65334205>Allah was responsible for the laundry fireWe've reached the bottom of the thirdie cope box by now, surely.
>>65334082>>65334072Seethe and learn to read the stats before voting.
>>65332695The only military assets Ukraine receives from the US post 2024 is stuff that was approved before Trump got in, or stuff that somebody besides the US paid for (usually Europe).
>>65330723vatnik tier delusions
>>65327490What stocks do I buy to profit off of USA's pivot to unmanned systems?
>>65334278>stuff that somebody besides the US paid for (usually Europe).by the same metric, most of the stuff that Ukraine receives from Europe isn't paid for by Europe either
>>65334598How so? Euro taxpayers I suppose
>>65334608>How so?in 2025, of the ~$50 billion in aid funding Ukraine received from "Europe", 70% is from frozen Russian funds, 28% are loans, and only 2%, or about $1 billion, were donations with no strings attached
>>65334618>russia paying to get bombedThats fucking amazing lmao
>>65328047d&c post
>>65334378You don't. The people who already have money get to invest in companies like Anduril. The IPO is a pump and dump scheme so they can offload their risk to the general public and turn their profit. Just loom at Spacex, it's going to crater because it turns out coupling a net loss space launch company with a net loss llm idea and then getting the stooges in the NASDAQ and DJIA to waive the requirements to get it included in indexes is going to transfer all the debt to everyone who doesn't already have a net worth over 50 million dollars, while those who bought in privately will simply suck up even more money via market manipulation. If have less than a million in liquidity it's already too late for you, you will own nothing no matter how hard you work and how carefully you save and invest because private equity and VC have to find a way to get their money back somehow and dumping it into the public markets is the only way left and they'll crash every exchange to do it.
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>>65334378look for companies anduril partners with for one, and you can't go wrong with raytheon and locksneed
>/pol/ seethingwhat blew up in Iran or Russia today?
>>65334812>IPOs are overpriced especially for hype counters in the era of peak hypeBrilliant, BuffettI'd never have guessed
