retard here: is it really that difficult to shoot down a low flying, low altitude drone traveling in a straight line?with sound:https://files.catbox.moe/sxu00t.mp4
>>65327880please understand
>>65327880The drones are made from materials that are mostly transparent to radar, so the guns can't get a precise lock on them and they don't set off the old style proximity fuses.
>>65327880The shooting is just to guide the drone bull to its target. Once it is out of range of an AD emplacement that is the time when the AD cuck gets to hop onto the cuckchair.
>>65327880Have you seen what the current situation with puccian AD is?Pro tip: it's not looking good
>>65327880>that one guy firing of the last of his fireworks
They all shoot too low and with not enough lead. It's hard as fuck to shoot at flying targets without someone giving corrections.
>>65327880It is when you don't understand the basics of how iron sights are supposed to work.(this is an official propaganda video published by the russian ministry of defense)
>>65327909Does manual control for fuze timing exist?
Even Ukraine admits only about 10% of their strikes reach the target. 70% are shot down and 20% miss
Ukraine used machineguns without radar to shootdown a russian cruise missile Do with that what you will
>>65328189>does technology from the mid-1800s exist???Unknown space magic technology, blyat!
>>65327880That drone flies at a speed of 50 meters per second. You have 3 seconds of bullet flight time. You have no air sights, only iron sights. You arent going to hit unless it is flying straight at your position.
>>65328203I meant something you can control in realtime. One guy aims, the other adjusts the time as the drone flies over.
>>65327880>>65327880Drones also cant tank large amount of bullet hits, you need to hit engine or something.
>>65327909these "guns" are machine guns and AKs not some autocannon with radar tracking
>>65328136When I was two years old I understood that any reaction device = water cannon, MG, MC >>>>>>>> absolutely must have it's bore axis perfectly aligned wit the vertical and horizontal swivels axi.
>>65328146In all seriousness, what is that?
>>65328168>sight fixed>guns moveWTF
>>65332446Not my problem
>>65332446Smekalka ))
>>65332430Some kinnd of MANPADS that was in 'deep storage' (a wooden crate in a Siberian forest) for 50 years?
>>65328136holy shit the dude with the cap nearly got choppedi n half
>>65332446It's fuckign wild.The Ukies had twin Maxim M1910s with a red dot (which is not great as far as AA sights go, but at least you can zero them and hit what you're aiming at) and the Russians somehow unnlearned how iron sights work.
>>65332524I know which setup you are talking about and that picture was before drones became prevalent in the war. That particular setup was used in static, trench defenses against infantry
Shit was high and slow, looks liek perfect rbs-70 food. I think Ukies have some old ones from Swede deep storage and some even claimed it shot down a ka-52 or whatever
>>65332446It's a cargo cult
>>65328307That's 4 times slower than ww2 fighters which were shot down with machine guns and iron sights.
>>65327880It's not that hard to shoot down a drone. An experienced skeet shooter will easily down one if he's aware of it. The problem is that the awareness window is smaller than the window to get that shooter into position to gun it down, and even if you assume he is always ready, there's always more than one drone.
>>65332820Drone props are also hard as fuck to ID where the sound is coming from, any kind of cover or irregular movement on an fpv is gonna screw with your acoustic tracking
>>65332726They are also 100 times smaller.
they're celebratory fireworks, not air defence. Russia is doing well enough without air defence
Air Deterrence did its job though they convinced the drone to keep going and not bomb their area
So, no big booms tonight?
Most modern AD systems are organized in a "point defense" system : only high value targets are protected and the rest are basically sacrificed. This is because it's virtually impossible for any country to produce enough AD launchers to cover their entire territory. You would also need to pinpoint every single possible target : military bases, airfields, energy facilities, logistics hubs, factories etc and you're bound to overlook some of them.The standard AD system is basically setup this way :1) Area defense against conventional aircraft and cruise missiles : long-range SAMs and fighters2) Point defense against tactical bombers and heavy drones : short-range SAMs3) Additional point defense / layered area defense against small drones, missiles and bombs : MANPADS and AAAThe first layer is basically useless against drones because long-range EW radars rely on pulse doppler to spot fast moving targets like missiles or planes. These systems have many low altitude blind spots and struggle to find slow-moving and low-flying objects. The only exception is 5th gen fighters equipped with AESA radars. Those can spot drones but have limited range and coverage. It's still very hard to find drones unless you know when and where to look. This is why you often see F-35s or Su-57s deployed to intercept drones in Iran or Russia.The second layer is more effective but highly susceptible to saturation. Most SAM batteries have up to 24 missiles, after that they are basically defenseless. They are also high vulnerable to SEAD once they turn on their radars, every SIGINT unit will find their location in a matter of minutes and send ordnance their way.By the time you reach the third layer, it's usually too late to do anything anyways unless they had enough advance time to prepare (cooling down MANPADS ACUs and turning on AAA APUs and radars) they will probably not have time to react in the few seconds the drones take to reach their target.
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>>65333003the PC fan grille sights gets me every time
>>65327909>The drones are made from materials that are mostly transparent to radarYou're spouting fucking horseshit. In addition with IRST these things should ligt up against the backing of the sky. Vatniggers are simply to incompetent and corrupt to field enough radar guided autocannons capable of downing these drones with ease. It's a saturation attack and apparently Russian AD is not up to the task.>>65332991First layer is against conventional cruise missiles and Ballistic missiles. Modern cruisemissiles fly low and fast and will most likely not be intercepted by this layer but rather by 2. The heavy drones are not much more than smaller form factor cruisemissiles which might be jet powered but most likely have some lawnmower engine. As for point 3, the time of point defense being an afterthought should be gone and it should be the case that doctrine is moving to SPAAG's and C-UAS Weapon stations should be deployed throughout to attack small factor cruise missiles (winged suicide drones/quadcopter munitions).
>>65332944>So, no big booms tonight?There's always a big boom.There was that the FSB border guard patrol boat yesterday but maybe it's old news by now.Another 20 ships were hit, current total 136.More of the ships are being hit in the Black Sea rather than Sea of Azov.>116 vessels of the shadow fleet of the Russian Federation in the Sea of Azov - the first round of naval combat has been completed. >Now the Black Sea, 20:0 for today: 17 oil tankers, 2 gas tankers, 1 tugboat were hunted. The campaign is said to have entered a new phase where they're expanding the shipping blockade to the Black Sea and expanding its scope.Oh yeah, the campaign has a name now.>To numerous appeals about the name of the SBS operation "MoLoCHKa":>MLCHK- Moscow will fall through Crimea. Amen. Everything is black and white. The big one might be vid related:>10:00, Belgorod region, russiaThis is this morning, about two and a half hours ago.So yeah, plenty to be defensive about.
>>65333060How many helicopters have gotten droned so far in this war? I swear this is the fifth or sixth time. They almost feel mundane for something that never happened before this looney tunes ass war.
>>65333060Neat. I haven't heard anything about rafineries tonight, but Total Shipper Death plus a heli is great.
>>65327880Answer:also retards there
>>65332631cargo cult is display "tech" to summon americans with candy bars, not this.
>>65333096last gasoline refinery is burning lol
>>65332430Chinese AD
>>65328136That's a purpose built, engineered mounting. You can see it's been designed and made to hold that. And the engineer in question had apparently no idea about newton's laws.Wild. Absolutely wild.
>>65333111Hit it again then. Hit it until it's fucked beyond repair.
>>65333024Low flying cruise missiles can still be tracked with modern pulse doppler radars because they are fast. Even turbofan missiles like Storm Shadow fly around 800km/h.Drones on the other hand can fly as low as 100km/h. Combined with smart operators who use terrain to hide and bland into background noise like flying over roads or train tracks this makes them basically invisible to radars.There are 4 ways to reliably detect light UAVs :>micro doppler radarsvery effective but limited range (about 10km)>RF sensorspotentially longer range but many drones don't use RF for that exact reason>IR/optical sensorseffective at close to medium range but dependent on meteorological conditions>acoustic sensorsnewest method. The sound signature of various drones is registered in a database and an array of microphones is placed over the area to defend. Algorithms can even calculate the drone's direction and speed using doppler effect. But enemies can easily counter this by purposefully changing their done's sound signature.The ideal system would be a combination of all those sensors, with interceptor drones, automated AAA or HPM weapons but the cost of such a system restricts it's use to high-value targets only.
>>65333071>How many helicopters have gotten droned so far in this war? I swear this is the fifth or sixth time.I would have guessed a half-dozen.Depends on whether you want to count the two that were on the ground with that one zigger doing maintenance.
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>>65333015>power supply unit covers as the gunsightI wonder what the MOA is
>>65333149Horchgerät is back on the menu, boys!
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>>65333110they are building something that looks like an aa gun without understanding what that is or how it actually worksaa guns have this funny round thing on them, so our aa gun needs a funny round thing
>>65332830These are the size of cruise missiles. Unless you were talking about small fpvs
>>65328194Nobody says otherwise. Bar Russian MoD, of course. Which says that all are shot down and any giant explosions and fires are 'due to falling debris'. Not a single Ukrainian has ever claimed that all launched munitions hit and destroy something and /k/ certain doesn't.
I still harbor the hope that we will get to see drones with cameras diving as a swarm towards a building, and massive AA fire coming from below, as it recreating some blyatiful version of WWII dive bombing on a carrier.
