How are you supposed to find this sneaky niggers if they drop below them thermocline?
Drop some sonobuoys below the layer from an Orion
>>65329879If its a Soviet boat, simply wait for it to surface after the inevitable reactor or missile compartment accident.
>>65329879wait for him to pop back up, they have trouble hearing the surface from below, although it is to a lesser degree than the difficulty faced by surface sonar soviet sonar itself was mediocre at best when the november came out, especially on a loud ass 1st gen nuke.
>>65329879Anchor sonar buoys to the sea floor.
>>65329879Deploy towed antennas below thermocline.
>>65329879Towed Sonar ArrayTake a set of hydrophones, attach them to a drone sub, attach the drone sub to a thick cable, and the cable to the patrol ship. Reel out the cable as much as you want and you can have your sonar sensors be under the thermocline. We've been messing around with these systems since the 60s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Towed_array_sonar
If it's a nuke boat, a nutreno detector.
>>65329879The thermocline isn't a wall it just bends the sound so you get ranges where you can hear things below it just fine.If you know your sonar is good for 30nm and the thermal conditions mean you can hear below the layer at 20nm then you can hear anything you get within 20nm of.
>>65330196"Nutreno"? Might want to check your sources.
>>65329879Just listen for all the gay sex.Though, it might be hard to hear over the rattletrap nature of a Soviet/Russian submarine in general.
>>65330286>Though, it might be hard to hear over the rattletrap nature of a Soviet/Russian submarine in general.Russian and late Soviet subs are actually very quiet because they had a spy feeding them documents on American naval developments for decades. Of course, their own R&D after he was caught in the 80s has been slow, but even minor improvements on 1980s American sub tech firmly locks in Russia as one of the world's foremost leaders in submarine designs.
>>65330832> Russian and late Soviet subs are actually very quietLol.Lmao.Rofl even.
>>65329879You can hear things below the layer. It's just harder to hear things. A soviet nuke boat is not hard to hear through the layer. They were built for speed. The real trouble is getting weapons on them. When they started putting helicopters on ships, this became much easier. >>65330832Not VERY quiet. They kept doing stupid things to their engine rooms and propulsion because it was mandated that every new design had to have some radical new technological development whether it was a good idea or a russian idea. That made them stick out like a sore thumb. And the few that were quiet, which could be counted on one hand at any one time, were not quiet for very long. Metalworking was not their strongsuit. Connections between ladders and bulkheads would wear and tear remarkably fast. Late soviet boats developed distinct hull pops from these defects. The Akula class was a cheapened Sierra and that didn't just mean the alloy in the hull was different. Everything about the hull was cheaper. Its construction, its maintenance, its tensile strength. Everything that matters for a submarine. America figured this out very early after the Thresher went down. Also the soviet sound dampening washers were shit. They are not in the top 5. The only thing they had going for them were the nuclear reactors and everything suggests they were not particularly good at that. Even china had less incidents involving nuclear reactors lmao. The fact that we know as much as we do about soviet boats shows how much better the americans and brits and germans were at making them.
>>65329889This. I swear to fucking God those assholes get paid by the buoy.>>65330066>loud ass 1st gen nukeTheir older missile boats sound like a pair of skeletons fucking in a steel trashcan. The workaround was to steam (slowly) out to their patrol area and then just hover, which was at least somewhat quieter.>>65330832>very quietStop using Tom Clancy as a source for information. I'm convinced at this point that sailors were feeding him bullshit as an elaborate troll. There's no way that a single guy can get that much wrong without lots of help.The Russians mostly copied the easy shit because they couldn't do the hard shit. The hard shit makes a bigger difference. No, I will not elaborate here, but find me on the War Thunder forums and we'll talk all about it.
>>65330273i got ur torino detector right here
>>65330832Kek, if you are interested you can find a dozen former US submariners that will talk about tracking Russian subs.The general consensus is they are pretty good when they enter the water but lack of maintenance leads to them getting loud fast.
>>65330196Its pronounced 'nutella' idiot.
>>65330832No, what happened was the Toshiba-Kongsberg scandal, when a large purchase for CNC machinery wasn't properly vetted, and it turned out the buyer was a Soviet shell company. They dropped all designs for multi-prop subs and started building Western-style scimitar-blade screws (which they hadn't been able to previously, due to the shit state of their precision metalworking).
