Why have background checks not been ended for firearm ownership in america. I understand you can buy something for a private sale but background checks should be unconstitutional
>>65331824Background checks should be free and instant, not banned. People have decided that people who cannot and should not have firearms live amongst us, how else do you prevent them from having guns?The absolutist “shall not be infringed” lives in a fairy tale where people who are basically a weapon away from committing random acts of violence do not exist. They exist in many forms, mental illness, ideological grounds, just plain retarded and governed by their impulses. We cannot have a free and civil society because of these people and then banning gun laws will only make our problems worse. Some people seem to want to make the world worse so society can fall and that their ideology can prevail. Those people are fucking retarded. How’s Zimbabwe doing? South Africa? Collapsing into a third world slum is very possible. Even playing at the idea is like playing with the demon core.
>>65331824The answer to this question is that some people don't want felons owning guns, and that's a more complicated topic.
>>65331824It's clear you don't care about any answers and just want to post furry porn on /k/.
>>65331824Fuck yamudda
I wanna fuck the shit out of Krystal
>>65331824>but background checks should be unconstitutionalexplain why.
>>65331888Rights come from God not from the state the state cannot infringe on those god-given rights. Only if you commit a crime but a convict does not lose their freedom of speech after their released so applying the same logic the second amendment cannot be restricted from individuals and background checks would be considered unconstitutional. You don't need a background check to use your first amendment right so therefore you should not need a background check to use your second amendment
>>65331824>background checks should be unconstitutionalIt's well within the framework of the Constitution to strip certain people of certain rights after they've done some retarded shit and been found guilty through due process. It's not a perfect system but it's damn fine and you're a gay idiot.
>>65331895You live in fantasy
>>65331899God, I wish that was me
>>65331841Counterargument: most, if not all, of shooters either stole their weapons or had no prior history, thus making the check pointless. People who have a flawless record (such as myself) should not have to suffer because of idiots.
>>65331973>Counterargument: most, if not all, of shooters either stole their weapons or had no prior historyNot him but I'm going to need some citations on this. Stolen guns are definitely an issue but "most, if not all" is a high bar.
>>65332009Literally all of the major shooters fit both of those categories.>sandy vagina = stole dad's gun>all of the recent political shooters (trump, kirk, etc) had no prior record and bought their guns legally>gang/thug violence in the hood is 100% stolen shit>etc etc
>>65331973>>65332048from>most, if not all,to>3 examples + 4 "etc"s
>>65332056You're welcome to argue otherwise. I'm not making a long ass list for you. No one is magically being stopped by a background check. People with criminal intent don't go "oh gosh darn it, I can't legally get a gun, I give up!"
>>65332048Tyler Robinson stole his grandfather's rifle
>>65331973"if not all"lolAnyway, this is pointless because cases of stolen guns is a serious but separate issue. If some kid can steal mom's gun (btw it was mom's gun at Sandyhook, not dad's), then hold mom accountable. For the case of entirely stolen guns where there is a system of theft, then address that separately.
>>65331973Have you ever considered that criminals do not buy their guns from the store because >they can’t pass a background check >they don’t want the gun traced back to them so easily Lifting the requirement for a background check will allow them to buy from stores so therefore the number of shootings committed by guns bought over the counter will go up. Most criminals have committed numerous small crimes before graduating to more violent crimes, people do not go from spotless records to armed robbery/home invasions/gang murders. They probably have committed theft, felony theft, and battery. Background checks should be free and painless. There should be no suffering involved, it should take 30 seconds to do.
>>65332048All I'm seeing is a strong argument that background checks are effective at preventing criminals from obtaining guns through non-criminal means.
>>65332111If most shootings are committed by people who did not gain a gun through passing a background check, then why are you saying that a background check did not stop them from obtaining a firearm when they clearly had to circumvent the background check.
>>65332111Also I agree, but we can’t really talk about real solutions to criminals because that requires killing a significant number of people each year.
>>65332166Because it clearly shows the background check does jack shit to stop evil people, and all it does is waste my time.
>>65332135>mom legally purchases gun>mom didn't commit a crime>"lets hold mom accountable for someone else's vile act"Wat
>>65332211This but unironically. Her son was a psycho that she repeatedly enabled for years. He didn't have any human interaction for years before the shooting because she made sure he was able to avoid all human contact. He'd normally talk to his mom, in the same home, through email, not by talking to her. The fact that he even knew where to find a gun was because of the one person he almost had human contact with owned guns.And she did nothing.
>>65331841>"erm but gettign rid of background checks would increase violence from criminals"I don't fucking care, Moms Against Guns. My rights are not conditional on your safety. Fuck you and all other spineless worms who bend the knee to winemom ideology.
>all these people saying "uhhh how else will you stop bad guy from doing bad thing???"Make people fear consequences again. Make prison a hellacape. Pull a middle east on criminals and instantly chop their hands off for committing crimes. Execute murderers immediately. Make torture a regular occurrence in prison. Make torture and executions mandatory viewing for the population. Do executions in the town square.
>>65332304That's a whole lot of brown people behavior which falls under the cruel & unusual punishment bit of the bill of rights.
>>65332340Fuck that portion in particular. If you're gonna act like an animal, you forfeit all rights as a human. Plus SCOTUS has pointed out that bit only applies to strange and unconventional methods of punishment, not classics like hanging or firing squad.
>>65332304>my desire to not be slightly inconvenienced is more important than your right to not suffer cruel and unusual punishmentok karen
>>65332355Nigga you committed a felony. I have no pity for you. Perish.
>>65332353>If you're gonna act like an animal, you forfeit all rights as a human.That's rather specifically not the point of an enlightenment era government.
>>65332364Im sure a lot of people here have comitted a felony without knowing better. Oops made a machine gun, thats about 10 years in torture chamber.
>>65332364I think you've got the wrong country. Qin-era China is that way.
>>65332048>>65332114kirk got killed by a shaped charge in his microphone. Are all of you so damn stupid you forgot Mossad gave Hezbollah the spicy pagers months before? The fucking shot didn't even have a supersonic crack.
>>65331841Show me evidence that the system makes it possible for a single mother living in the hood in Chicago to at least get a pistol to defend her family self and propertyOtherwise you really aren't as altruist as you think
>>65332372Not him, but I'm very much convinced a society that aheres to "you need to have a deathly fear of God sending you to hell (or government executing you, if you're an atheist)" is required these days. People literally do not fear the consequences of crime, because 99% of the time the consequence is sitting in a little time out box that also gives you free food and education.
>>65331851>It's clear you don't care about any answers and just want to post furry porn on /k/.Where do you think we are?
>>65332515If the education gets them out of crime and makes them a person of even neutral value instead of a detriment then that's a good thing. Some people will need to go into the time out box forever, that's the reality of the situation, but it shouldn't be the goal.
I think everyone should have easy access to firearms. Including violent psychopaths, homicidal maniacs, criminals, felons, schizophrenics, perverts, rapist, suicidally depressed people and paranoids who think the whole town is out to get them. But also people who rant to themselves for hours on end, crazies who talk to god, crazies who think they are god and furries.Some may call it hell, but I call it interesting, a complete free for for all where the toughest and most deranged rise to the top. Just as god intended, lol.
>>65332655But furries already have access to guns. I mean you're on /k/ for example.>vid related:https://files.catbox.moe/zsb3y0.MP4
>>65332364More like 'yew were dumb enough to get caught'.
>>65332423Blame democrats, not me
>>65332204See >>65332179
>>65331895>Rights come from God not from the state the state cannot infringe on those god-given rightsYou are too stupid to live in a society and you should be exiled to a penal colony.Your rights come from the ability of the members of a society to both articulate and defend/enforce those rights. Your imaginary supernatural beings have nothing to do with it. If they did, there would be only one society/culture on the face of the Earth and the rules would be uniform and enforced across the whole of it.Society exists because there are rules. The rules exist because they are enforced. Enforcement happens with _force_, by police or other agencies that have guns and other tools that allow them to bring consequences to rule breakers.Free societies exist only where those who are a part of it have the power to defend themselves from those who would abuse the rules and their enforcement. Enslaved societies no long have the power to defend themselves from those who make and enforce the rules. Despite my simplification here, this is not a binary; it is a spectrum. The society of the USA has decided that it is in its best interests to ensure certain individuals cannot easily obtain firearms. To that end, we have background checks to make sure those individuals cannot just walk into a store and buy a gun. Instant and free background checks are in no way an infringement on your rights. They are a check society has decided on to enforce a rule.Are background checks being abused to build data bases that could potentially be used in attempts to disarm the populace? Yes. But that is a separate issue from the check itself.
>>65332515If you believed a word of that you'd turn yourself in for whatever unsolved crime you first discovered. You don't give a shit about free shit in that context and you know nobody else does either.
