Once again a russian heli has been downed by an FPV, this time by it literally chasing the fucking thing down, this time an Mi-28N.Is the air space just so saturated with drones that this keeps happening?
>>65332951I'm no expert, but wouldn't it be better to target the tail assembly? Trying to hit the main rotor while it's in motion risks that the drone will get broken up without detonating
>>65332955Thought the same, but I think it'd be hard to hit the tail here because drone has to basically dive onto it to have enough speed to catch it, at least that's what it seems like. Probably thought it's better to hit and to miss the target completely.It did apparently make an impromptu landing after that, though in what state isn't clear.
>>65332955>Trying to hit the main rotor while it's in motion risks that the drone will get broken up without detonatingWhich is most likely what happened in this case
>>65332951Waiting for that Fightercoper BDA for when it inevitably gets droned on the ground>>65332958
>>65332951>keeps happeningDont overexagerate it. It only happen twice and with this one there is no proof that the drone has enough explosive to bring it down.
>>65332962>most likelywhat level of cope is this?
>Mi-28is it just me, or isn't that a bit of a rare sighting? I feel like there's a bunch of Soviet equipment that just never really showed up to the party, like the Shilka (I know its total ass, but they could make the tracked garden sheds off the chassis, that kind of thing)
>>65332967It is! Pretty sure it's the first one we've seen in Ukraine. Really wonder what's up with that.>>65332965Still two times too many, given the circumstances that have to occur for it to happen. And Ukrainian helis haven't suffered similar fates as far as I know, sure they have less and use them sparingly, but still.
no helicopters?no fuel?no food?
>>65332951>Is the air space just so saturated with drones that this keeps happening?Yes, Ukraine is producing about 1.5 million FPVs per year now. This is over 4,000 drones per day.
this is literally a hate crime against russiansHohols, just fucking surrender already so we can be one people again
>>65332994Those fucking crests and their war crimes! They won't get away with this
>>65332994how can it be a hate crime when they love doing it?
>>65332985>1.5 million FPVs per year nowThats a bit exagerated isn't it.Please dont eat your own propaganda.
>>65332977>Russian farms look like dumping grounds of radioactive vehicles used in the Chernobyl cleanupNot even surprised
Aim for the rotor head.
>>65333004Official numbers are "over 100k per month" or 1.2m a year.
>>65332951>no follow up footageclose but no cigar
>>65333029got your cigar right here
>>65333011>Official numbersWhose official? Thats literaly propaganda.
>>65333053Correct but I haven't seen a whole lot of lying from Ukraine.For example they have simply stopped publicly releasing casualty numbers instead of releasing numbers that are provably false like Russia.
BUM TOUCHING CRESTS
>>65333065>stopped publicly releasing casualty numbersThats an indication that their casualty number is much bigger than third party estimation. Just your standard cover up.
>>65333069> That random slav video posted againYou guys really obsessed with him huh?
twenty (20) more tankers got ACK'd overnight seriously, what are they still doing there? like fuck off to the Mediterranean or sail back up the Volga river
>>65333004Why would it be an exaggeration? Because you don't like it?
>>65333083Because there is no proof.If that is true then ukraine would send tousand of drones to rusia every night. When in reality only hundreds drones are sent to russia every day.
>>65333077they closed the canal lol, they're fucked.
>>65333085do you not understand what an FPV drone is?
>>65333085Once again, these are the numbers for FPV drones (i.e. the tiny ones). You might an invalid of some kind, honestly.
>>65333085you are so fucking dumb
>>65333077>136 totalthat's 66% of the riverine fleet
>>65333076>post guy who does nearly daily blogs about life as a Russian>lol u guys are so obsessed lol rent freeOr, or... People want to post what the views are from people in the area? Wild, I know.
>>65333077Why are so few of these hitting the cabs? Easy way to disable them is to hit the control decks. Instead they're hitting other bits....
>>65333077Didn't russians halt maritime operations in the Azov sea?
>>65333075Yes, but instead of lying they simply stop releasing data meanwhile Russia claims to have lost less men than they have visually confirmed tanks.
>>65333007I remember atthe beginning of the invasion when Russia was taking more or less intact towns rather than piles of rubble Russian soldiers were talking on telegram about how amazingly well Ukrainians lived.
>>65333093>the views are from people in the areaThe problem is, his view is not always a good representation of the view held by majority of the people in his area.Loud minority, he is. Guillible, you are.
>>65333069>Now everyone hates russia>now
>>65333105How do you know? Have you got evidence from other people in the area posting opposite views? I'd like to see them. You wouldn't be making such a statement without mountains of evidence to the contrary, would you? After all, I have provided evidence for my position, you wouldn't be making an assertion without evidence, would you? That would be called 'Burden of Proof'.
>>65333100It's ai.There is no objective verification for it despide allegedly tens of ships burning in a relatively small area near the city
Is land war, not littoral war.
>>65333113Finally, someone speak the hard truth.
>>65333113>There is no objective verification for itOther than FIRMS showing fires, sure.
>>65332955>Mi-28NThat hit the stress point both under the rotor path and on top of the tail structure. It's both.
>>65333092I remember the first night of strikes with ziggers doing the classic "well, Russia has hundreds, so it doesnt even matter!"Fast forward 1 and they cant even say that anymore
>>65332967If they don't have SOMETHING reserved they'll get invaded by chechens. Which would be lulz.
>>65333123Yeah but now they've just changed it to >>65333113 instead
>>65333077i think large part of russian grain and vegetable oil exports on top of other things go thru that sea, they cant just close it without killing economy.Seen few threads about it and there is river route from azov sea to moscow via some kind of canal that connects wolga and don rivers. So they are hauling absurd amounts of grain and other thing via rivers and canals to ports on Azov sea, then they load that stuff onto larger sea ships and everything must sail thru azov sea, wait near kerch bridge for pass, pass under bridge to black sea. They cant go with via trains or trucks for more secure ports simply due to amount of stuff we are talking about. Its not like highly profitable high margin business and river transport can move large amount of grain for cheap compared to train or trucks
>>65333113Anyone else remember when zigs were posting hilarious early Dall-E creations showing themselves in Kharkiv?Every accusation, etc.
>>65333011Here is what it would take to get to Kyiv in terms of equipment loss, on an unrealistically positive for russia scenario.
>>65333112God gave you brain. Use it. If many people share his opinion then he will be leading those people in protest to make their condition better. Yet what we have is one person rambling like maniac in his car.He is only a clout chasing influencer. Nothing More.
>>65333145guess it's time for another thread full of B O G G E D trad russian ladies going "Where Benzin???" then
>>65333113>>65333119Much obliged
>>65333145>he will be leading those people in protest to make their condition better>in Russia
>>65332977They're really going to do it aren't they. They're really going to keep going until the country collapses. If they stopped today, just issued an immediate withdrawl order and told Ukraine to dictate the terms of peace they might be able to prevent it, but that's not going to happen. They took what was supposed to be a fait accompli and turned it into national suicide.
>>65333121I need to find out a way to stream images into a tablet-turned picture frame, and have a little map of Russians exploding so violently as to be seen from space in real time.
>>65333145So you DON'T have mountains of evidence to the contrary? Huh. Why are you asserting something without proof?
>>65333121Are you sure you know where is Russia on this map?
>>65333158They can blame Ukies & HATO and whomever else for whatever humanitarian crisis comes from this. Another win for the propaganda office.Probably also a good excuse to push more harsh laws and restrictions on their own serfs that will never go away even long after this war will be over.
>>65333004>Thats a bit exagerated isn't it.It's really not.Both sides btw, the Ukrainian MoD said that RAF used 6451 FPVs yesterday. That's a fairly typical daily count. Ukraine claims to have shot down about 1/3 of those.
>>65333076>You guys really obsessed with him huh?Well he's very funny.
>>65332951And how do we know it actually detonated and didn't just get chopped up by the rotor? I'd love to see a havoc getting ACK'd by a drone, but I'll wait until the aftermath is posted
>>65333172HYPOTHETICALLY /k/ what would happen if you droned all of the petrol (>gas) stations with such massive lines already?Panic? A mad rush to the next petrol station?Ukraine command if you are watching you could do something really funny right now
>>65333098>Easy way to disable them is to hit the control decksA lot of them do hit the control decks, what are you watching?Anyway, they stop and are out of action so whatever they're doing seems to be working.>>65333077>seriously, what are they still doing there?They're not still there.These were hit in the Black Sea, not the Sea of Azov.This is phase two of the shipping blockade portion of MoЛoЧКa.It seems to be targetting the big boy tankers that can't go under the bridge/have too deep draught for SoA.>>65333090>You might an invalid of some kind, honestly.We all might an invalid if we got lonely enough.
>>65333168Are you sure you know where the SEA is? These are ships? Are you retarded?
>>65333185annon the ships being hit are river ships
>>65333196>annon the ships being hit are river shipsDid I stutter?
>>65333184if they had enough drones and maybe lack of other worthy targets i wouldnt be surprised if they choose to one tap random gas station.I had simillar idea during last years heatwave and drought. They could load few drones from entire wave with small thermite incendiary charges, hundreds of them, program it to fly above random forests in russia and throw one incendiary charge every 1km or something like that. So in addition to the burning refineries, the system would be overloaded with thousands of forest fires
>>65332962>glorious Hind rotors folded a thousand times
>>65332977I feel sorry for people like him desu, imagine being a human being and living THERE(turd world)
>>65333171They're facing a 1917 level collapse, propaganda and harsh laws won't mean a thing to starving people.
>>65333217Worked out in 90s and russian people are way more beaten into submission compared to 1917
>>65333100These were hit in the Black Sea, not the Azov Sea.
>>65333217>starving people>people>russiansThat's your problem right there
>>65333065>>65333075>>65333103The same zigger shill hands typed this.
>>65332977fucking hell, you have no idea how much fuel agricultural machines can burn when working under load of harvesting or hauling something. My dad have few machines and if they are working 100 liters of fuel is like nothing for them. Add to that how big farms are in russia, add to that older bigger tractors with not so great fuel efficiency, it could be disaster for them. Windows when u can harvest crops are not so big too, sometimes between rains and storms u have to do it no matter what, if u cant because there is no fuel it could be over because everything went bad
>>65333237Wonder if vatniks are smart enough to figure out wood gas engines again like the Germans did
>>65333205>bush fires in r*ssiaMy dream, which im surprised its not capitalized on further, fuck them if they want to terror bomb cities let them choke on ash and smoke
>>65332973>It is! Pretty sure it's the first one we've seen in Ukraine. Really wonder what's up with that.No they were there since 2022, there were several videos of them.
>>65333237Nothing a good scythe could do.
At least they gave up on trying to bomb refineries
>>65333246the fucker becomes the fuckee
>>65333221It worked in the 90s because the evil wect dumped billions of aid, namely food, into Russia. Here's hoping we dont repeat that mistake
Rations are back on the menu, boys!
>>65333251>gave upWhy bomb something you've already knocked out?
>>65333246sticking to military targets is good for PR and west support. But just imagine just few drones from entire wave of hundreds doing that, every day, every wave for weeks, Drought in this part of the world is not surprising in spring and summer and forest floor gets really dry, u dont need much to make it burn.
>>65333004>Thats a bit exagerated isn't it.No it isnt and they are even expanding production. I think their goal was 5 million drones per year. Russia is also expanding its production of drones. OFC all this hinges on the chinks selling the subcomponents to both sides.
>>65332958>Rarog in Ukrainian and Russian is a demon bird >Rarogvin Polish is a bird you carry in your pocket and brings happiness I know I'm happy
>>65333263Fuck, if only the AD hadn't shot down those drones on their way to a military target and the debris caused a fire. Such a shame. Oh well, that's war for you.
>>65333258
>>65333077These are not river tankers they are big oceangoing large crude carriers, at least 50K tons. This means that ukraina is now striking in the black sea south of the kerch strait with their air drones.
>>65333277These are sea ships, river stuff is smaller and it sticks to river and canals hauling russian grain and other stuff from don and wolga rivers to ports of azov sea and there everything is packed into bigger vessels. What we see are sea ships on mooring (i dont know if its correct world, esl) waiting for pass under kerch bridge. Thats why there is so many of them so close to each other.
>>65333098A few days ago they were all hitting directly in front of and below the tower which is where the machine room is. Looks like they may have changed tactics since the hits in that webm seem to be all over the place.
>>65333121Nice find but it appears to showing burning ukrainan ships south and south east of Odessa. These two spots on the left are 100 km directly south of Odessa harbor. Thats a no go zone for russian ships since the battle of that small island off the coast of ukraine. If you want to spot burning russians, you need to look to the very right in your screenshot. you can see the Kerch strait to the right side, just below the vertical middle.
>>65333185>It seems to be targetting the big boy tankers that can't go under the bridge/have too deep draught for SoA.The Kerch bride has a height limit of 115 feet / 35 meters. You can fit a pretty tall ship under that. But it has a depth limit of 8 meters, which is not very much, and in practice you would not go there with more than 6.5-7 meters of draft.
>>65332977If the Tsar only knew he'd measure the gloves and shove the Fabergé eggs up the ass.
Eternal flight '_'7
>>65333286>What we see are sea ships on mooring (i dont know if its correct world, esl) waiting for pass under kerch bridge. Thats why there is so many of them so close to each other.These ships are too deep of draft to pass trough the Kerch straits. They must be offshore of some russian oil terminal to load oil. A fully loaded VLCC has a draft of 25-30 meters. It cant pass trough the Kerch strait even when unloaded. I guess they are parked off Novorossisk.
>>65333263PR is gay and for whining white women with a chip on their shoulderThermite drones for every square inch of bush in r*ssia for good just to be sure
>>65333231I'm >>65333065 & >>65333103if you can link official Ukie casualty numbers from the last 6 months I would love to see them.I fucking hate ziggers but live in reality where a small poor nation being invaded by a former superpower still hurts.
>>65333135Man, those are some fuckin' Kursk-tier losses. And they don't have Burger industry to recoop them this time.
>>65333258>when the "special military operation" devolves into a "special situation"They will soon long for the golden era when they still had cartloads of shit to eat.
>>653333011. The times are such that being in control of the narrative is paramount to success. The simplest (and least resource-intensive) way of remaining in control of the narrative is to be genuinely superior in regard to what matters the most. In this case, I suppose that it is the moral high-ground.2. The woods and the critters inhabiting them do not deserve this shit. Just gas the pidors.
>>65333158>They're really going to keep going until the country collapsesSigns point to yes. Digital Ruble to further delay the bank run and financial collapse, mobilization (both in September/October) are both measures to keep teh war goinng.>If they stopped today, just issued an immediate withdrawl order and told Ukraine to dictate the terms of peace they might be able to prevent it, but that's not going to happenYep. And even if they stopped today, their economay would not stop spiralling, but maybe tehy could stilll avoid the looming food shortages.And please note that it wil not be actual famine unless they REALLY mismanage the fuel they still have.
CRESTS!!!LOOK AT WHAT YOU'VE DONE TO MY TOMATO PRICES
>>65333258>>65333272>introducing some app based thing in country where most people dont have indoor plumbingthat will work out
>>65333029given the fact that so many fpv shenaningas from ukies very often come with overwatch footage from a different drone for instant proooohs, i feel like in this case there was nothing to show for it
>>65333328Oh they might not have running water or toilets, but you can be damn sure they have phones.
The cost-fallacy is rapidly approaching Challenger Deep.
>>65333326All plastic wrapped too so you can bet its old and about to spoil, Aldis tier stuff.
>65333332>65333334>missed it by a single numberoof>>65333313>Just gas the pidorsFun fact I knew one of the people killed in malaysia airlines 17 which died. For her death I wish 10 million vatnig deaths just to cover her death aloneHeaven forbid 10 million deaths for every poor person who died from that plane
>>65333348gfc wrong image forgive me jannies for I have sinned
I'm now recalling an old Orthodox prophecy regarding the West basically kicking Puccia to the curb and abandoning them to their fate after China grabs Siberia. I can really see that happening in the near future. Maybe God is displeased that the 3rd (World) Rome won't stop worshipping a certain antichrist's rotting corpse?
>>65333328Nah, even random african plebs have phones. That's part of why the internet has gone to shit, every primitive retards almost has an internet-capable phone.
>>65333357'Member the good times? When the web was just Westoids and Nips havin' fun?
>>65333217>>65333221>>65333223People always talk about 1917/ 1990ies collapse for Russia, but nobody asks: What is a 2020ies collapse going to look like?Everyone bum in Russia has a smartphone. Once the state censorship breaks down, you'll have endless footage of Russians going feral. Starving people give no fucks.It might just overload the internet.I think I might just stock up on harddrives to save everything. Jesus.
>>65333258>this will mostly affect poorer countries, of course, but it will also affect RussiaThe audacity.
>>65333371If it does habben, I'm editing a supercut of the unrest with "Swan Lake" playing in the background. Or maybe a litte window in the corner playing it.
>>65333332That or they're waiting for the ziggers to twist themselves into knots lying about and will drop it later. They've done it before with similar cases.
>>65333326How much is that in bong dollars?
>>65333007>Russian farms look like dumping grounds of radioactive vehicles used in the Chernobyl cleanupUnlike the EU and USA (and Canada), Russia has no civilizational tradition of elevating and idolizing the yeoman farmer.
>>65333388Breddy miserable.
>>65333391You would think they would value them more, due to the famines they had in the past.
>>65333258>>65333272>The EU is introducing a digital currency>So Russia must tooIs everything they do about face?
>>65333391They ALMOST did, but Stolypin's reforms pissed off EVERYONE despite massively boosting their agricultural sector.
>>65333394
>>65333395Go figure that they cargo-cult something faggy and totalitarian.
>>65333399Wasted. The digital Euro is more about payment providers than anything else.
>>65333258>Now every shortage is tied in people's mind to the government in the form of coupons I'm sure that these coupons will be respected by the Russian population who will take to rationing in good faith and good order. Truly the Tzar is wise and his Boyars clever.
>>65333400Initially and officially, sure, but given how much Brussels and Berlin love censorship, it'll turn into a tool for that breddy quickly.
>>65333121You are a retard.>>65333113FIRMS does show fires, he's just too retarded to use it.
>>65333326>13 dollar tomatos>in a country with average salary of 750 dollarslol
So, Ukraine is destroying Azov sea's ecology.
>>65333388Those bell peppers in cling film cost over 8 pounds
>>65333410Literally just a dollar shy of a week's worth of wages. A fucking week of wages to buy tomato. And we waste them on Hyraxes.
>>65333326>1,000 rubles for a tomatothat's $12.81. i assume that's per kilo and not per each individual tomato. that's still $5.81 a pound and the median russian monthly income is $939.25. These people are going to barely afford food let lone fuel, housing, and discretionary spending
>>65333258Did he just say Russia suffered the most during the Holodomor?Even on the brink of famine themselves they do this, astounding
>>65333416The Hyrax can have one tomato, as a treat
>>65333371Starvation wont do shit, the real collapse would happen when king monke dies and all his cronies start infighting for who will be the next top dog. I'm praying it results in russia splintering into multiple warlord states. Instead of just gay & boring succession as it did after Stalins death
>>65333406>guy shows a quick image of FIRMS>call him retarded when he didn't reply to a shitpost with effortyou're a retard for even replying with effort. the guy made his point, it's there, you can see it yourself.
>>65333411It was already dead.
>>65333388A ruble is roughly one penny
>>65333388>>65333426Where is Russia on the Big Mac Index these days?
>>65333423>you will live to see a Russian Zhang ZhongchangPoetry bros, we're all gonna make it.
>>65333416That was not wasted, look at him go
>>65333416>"Can you sing, Master Hobbit?"
>>65333371Russians will be ddossing sites everywhere, dont like it? Gib monies!Extremely cheap Russian onlyfans whores flooding the market to the point where Western girls will actually have to get real jobs.Thousands of Russian youtube videos where they're crying and blaming the west while also asking the west for help.Thousands and thousands of grifters making videos where they explain how in hindsight Russia was actually not evil (like and subscribe) and how we were lied to by our politicians (like and subscribe) and only by watching this hot take on the situation (like and subscribe) will you learn the hidden truth that they dont want you to know! (like and subscribe)
>>65333433Shoigu will need to sell his lumber collection to survive.
>>65333217>1917naw. the average russian will lay down and starve to death instead if rebelling. there were many localized famines after the 1917 revolution and through the pre-WW2 Stalin days, including the Holodomor, and there still wasn't any major rebellion. Russian men and their family members will see them shoved in a van, sent to the frontline, and told to march to their death and they simply do it. The best chance for the war to end is an economic collapse spurning the wealthy elite to make a move to get rid of monke
>>65333397Isn't this a thing in russian history?Dude X makea reforms, everyone gets mad and throws a shitfit.The series in pic related was prophetic to a level that's mindboggling. Down to jerts and niggers suddenly running around russia.
>>65333433>Extremely cheap Russian onlyfans whores flooding the market to the point where Western girls will actually have to get real jobs.A man can dream. I am sick of meeting irl women under 30s and ~25% of them wanting to be some influencer, onlyfanshoe or vtuber or some other form of money chaser online while acting all entitled.
>>65333441No, no, gay and retarded reforms (like collectivization, abolishing the Patriarchate, Lysenkoism, secret police) get mindlessly applauded and last much longer.
>>65333379No aktshually, russia and ukraine provided grain to many a poor african country. Big outcry when russia blocked ukraine from delivering said grain, because famines and shit.Now it depends on how much grain russia can harvest, we don't know. If there are losses, will they sell (holodomor mentioned in video) and starve russians or feed their own but you get famines in africa. This is going to be fun in a few months.
>>65333449Well, any African nation being run by Africa Corps will certainly get their shipments to save face.
>>65333391AKHSHUALLY, they sort of do.In a weird Soviet, well-yes-but-actually-no way.They cherish the idea of the ideallized hardy, crafty peasant farmer who always gets by no matter what. . .but actual real-life farmers (much like the farm cooperative workers in Soviet times) are looked down upon.
>>65333449One of the goals of Russia (not stated) was to control the grain to supply African states in order to get favourable deals in return. This would screw China, Europe and USA. So they would in turn have to get better deals with them in order not to screw the chain with those countries. The fact they'd control oil and gas and prevent Ukraine selling it to the EU was the main goal, but the benefit of controlling the logistic train throughout the world via food imports was also a bonus.
>>65333456>They cherish the idea of the ideallized hardy, crafty peasant farmer who always gets by no matter what.NO PROFIT!ONLY SUBSISTENCE!
>>65333113>i-its aiHoly cope lol
>>65333397>Stolypin referred to his own programs as a "wager on the strong and sober".>in Russia>Stolypin's reforms pissed off EVERYONE
>>65333462Meanwhile, dirt-poor Scandis and Prussians (like my forefathers) could go to Wisconsin and in a generation they're property owners, small business owners, minor-league umpires, landlords, etc.
>>65333423>I'm praying it results in russia splintering into multiple warlord statesJust think about what we know of Pringles sexual habits with virgin girls in St petersberg.The warlord era is going to be full of bizarre characters and it's going to be horny as fuck too. The whole thing is going to read like a porn parody of a JoJo cast.We're going to see zigger versions of picrelhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhang_Zongchang
>>65333470Bingo.
>>65333469They actually worked, though, but the Boyars hated it because filthy peasants were prospering, the Bolshies hated it because peasants had a path to prosperity (and thus deradicalized), and the Tsar hated it because "muh tradishuns!!!"
>>65332977tthat guy doesn't have the usual russian physiognomy, where is he from?
>>65333478>tthat guy doesn't have the usual russian physiognomy, where is he from?I think he does, just a little more Balt in the mix than usual.
>>65333478>BoerSouth Africa
>>65333406The fires there have a larger area than FIRMS reports with the hot spots. The algorithm they use for filtering apparently doesn't like marking water as on fire because water reflects IR from other sources so much.>>65333424stfu retard
retvn when?
>>65332955Apaches were famously specifically armor-hardened along their tail rotor shafts which was identified as a weak spot. Its a large strained critical component. I can't remember the hardening measures to describe but they were significant both shaft construction and housing.
>>65333440There is a difference between 1917 and the later famines. 1917 was a far more widespread famine, and a (losing) war, and inflation, and a politicaly inept Czar who essentialy maneuvered himself into a position where he took the blame for several of the crises.The government lost control over parts of the army (i.e. mass mutiny), and this resulted in the two revolutiions that year.The later famines were more localized (and sometimes weaponized), and could not lead to rebellion because Soviet control remained strong enough at a regional level, and in several cases because the government deployed the army pre-emptively.Today, Russia is headed more into oa 1917 situation, though it is happening more slowly. OTOH, the government will be able to extract support from Belarus and Kazakhstan, and they willl probably get food support from China because Xi does not want Russia to descend into ciivil war adn/or warordism
>>65332955Depends on the drones payload
>>65333508wood gas, my beloved.
>>65333512>Xi does not want Russia to descend into ciivil war adn/or warordismBut that juicy piece of land the soviets stole from them, it's very juicy!
>>65333473I'm sure the women will be fine, the men on the other hand...
>>65333462>NO PROFIT!>ONLY SUBSISTENCE!This was a survival mechanics for this poor sods.You produced some wealth - here comes Mongol warlord to loot and very possibly murder you>some time passes You produced some wealth - here comes local boyar to loot and very possibly murder you>some time passesYou produced some wealth - here comes Tsar registrar and tax you to the ground and very possibly order you in front of the firing squad or to Siberia>some time passesYou produced some wealth - here comes local party commissar with NKVD in tow, confiscate everything and for sure either shot you on sight or send you to gulag for speculation and for being a subversive being in the pay of western reactionists.Afer literall hundreds of years of continuous treatment like that, even the most stubborn peasants will learn their lesson and make sure to never attract the attention of these higher on the totem pole by having anything above a bare minimum.As a bonus you learn to always lie, decieve, misguide, never trust anybody and be ready to denounce that (in reality equally poor) fucker living next to you at any moment, as this can avert an attention of these in power from your own miserable existence (in other words, you became a typical Russian 'citizen')
>>65333522Well yes, but he doesn't just want to take it.To undo the humiliatioon, Russia has to hand it back to him.And Xi abso-fucking-lutely does not want a civil war next to China, that might give people ideas.Also, Xi understands that the longer he can keep Russia going on this economic deathride the better his chances of getting Siberia are in the long run.
>>65333547Jesus. No wonder anyone with a lick of sense and some qualifications leaves.
>>65333476The retarded sector of peasants also hated it, because suddenly their non lazy neighbor started becoming wealthy and prosperous, while before they were all in one big commune and had to split things and thus all were poor.
>>65333569NTA; wasn't it a thing that if a peasant tried to leave a Mir (a rural village), even after emancipation, that he would get the shit beat out of him by the other peasants?
>>65333571They were "emancipated" but still basically serfs tied to the farms because they owed the state loadsamoney for their emancipation.
>>65333554Saw a videya a few days ago, Russia now considering giving China massive lumbering rights in Siberia in exchange for gasoline...
>>65333417And the harvest season hasn't even started yet.
Anyone have any good book recs on the effect the Mongols had on Russian culture and society?
>>65333579Anon, it's already grain harvesting season. It's now or it's gone.
>>65333579It's still egg-measuring season. How are my Redstars doing?
>>65333588Amish family could have that harvrsted and threshed in two days.
>>65333571The issue is that you didn't need to leave the village. The whole issue is that in russia a fuck ton of farmers, even if somehow they were free (e.g. a lot of people avoided serfdom by migrating into bumfuck regions of Siberia, which was a win-win for the czarist regime), were living and working as a part of the collective commune. This "worked" but destroyed any sort of incentive to work even just enough more than enough to get by, since no matter how good you'd work, how diligent you'd be with your stuff, the results would get spread out to all people in the commune, including the lazy drunk retards. Stolypin's agriculture reforms basically allowed people to separate themselves out from the commune and work as regular private farmers, which instantly had a fucking' great effect: more efficiency in farming and agriculture, people becoming wealthier, production booming, whole regions becoming wealthier, etc, basically a class of efficient wealthy private farmers in the US style started forming, but on top of the butthurt mentioned in the thread before it also caused butthurt, envy and resentment from the people who stayed in the commune, which suddenly lost its productive members and thus lazy bums didn't have a free ride anymore.>>65333576You're conflating emancipation from serfdom with Stolypin's agriculture reforms.
>>65333578>Russia now considering giving China massive lumbering rightsBruh, they were doing this for 20+ years now. You can literally look up on Google Maps how some regions of Siberia are stripped of forests by chinks in giant plots.
>>65333600>You're conflating emancipation from serfdom with Stolypin's agriculture reforms.Sorry, I should've clarified that I was talking about post-emancipation, pre-Stolypin collectives.
>>65333600Every yeah a new kid is born thinking communism works, we just need to do it right when it's clear as day it cannot work, because of shit like this. In the end out come the re-education-camps because clearly it's just an issue of the human not understanding how great of a concept it is.
>>65333600>a class of efficient wealthy private farmers in the US style started forming, but [...] it also caused butthurt, envy and resentment from the people who stayed in the commune, which suddenly lost its productive members and thus lazy bums didn't have a free ride anymore.Is there a single segment of Russian society that is "normal?" Black Sea fishermen?
>>65333606Yeah but now they'd get it for free, just send some tankers :)The mental gymnastics done by russia to justify all this are mind boggling
>>65333616Oil pipline laying back in the day. You could be from any part of the eastern block and do this hard and grueling work and get paid handsomly.
>>65333616Russia has produced some pretty good musicians, artists, engineers, and monastics.
>>65333615My favorite point is "real communism haven't been tried" and "USSR wasn't communism". Like bitch open up a history book, bolsheviks enacted "real communism" almost since day one and it destroyed everything which was still a thing by that point. It's after this communism that Lenin had to turn back to market (the NEP - new economic policy), to prevent a total collapse and rely on market forces and private enterprise to rebuild the economy. Before Stalin rolled this back during the industrialization shitfest. The shitfest communism phase of the early years then retroactively was rebranded as "war communism" to try and whitewash the communism brand away from it. But since everyone knew how fucked up it was the regime had to pretend that it will be reached sometime later, like by 1980s, and for now socialism is enough.
>>65333626>musicians, artists, engineersAnd almost none of those were russian by ethnicity.
>>65332967>Mi-28They've shown up here and there. My theory is they're being bottlenecked by powerplants since the originals were made by motor sich. Allegedly, they have had a domestic replacement since 2016 but we know the pace these things go at. Add on top of that the KA-52s likely getting more attention in their own fleet and the need to prioritize their export customers. >Shilka They've shown up here and there but the years have not been kind to their soviet rube goldberg electro-mechanics.Russia has also been transitioning away from 23mm since before the fall of the USSR so many of those not lost to storage attrition have likely been sold.This is the same reason the ZU-23-2 isn't more common
>>65333631Quite a few were. Problem is, Russian society held back Russia from achieving its full potential. It's why Sikorsky could go to Burgerland and create fantastic seaplanes and helicopters, while Soviet aeroengineers were working from Gulags, designing passable airframes dependent on foreign engines.
>>65333588>whole villages must go out and reap the felds for days like in XVIII century or the grain will rot and perish.Superpower at it's finest.And the funny thng is, the old folks who actually knew how to use scythe, how to meake sheafs, how to thresh etc are mostly gone, succumbed to years of economic and social negligence and abysmal living conditions that state provided for eldery.Plus, my dear Iwan: let's say by some magic you harvested that wheat. Now, which what fuel you are going to transport it to granary so it wont turn musty and actully poisonus from ergot growing on it?
>>65333634>Russia has also been transitioning away from 23mm since before the fall of the USSRWhy? That's their thing and it works well enough.
>>65333348>The most moderate Swamp-German
>>65333069>we understand that we’re an American state?!
>>65333640The Amish have the technological edge now. The egg noodles are being measured and the quilt is being stitched. Everyone will heere saage everything.
>>65333615>Every yeah a new kid is born thinking X-ism worksYou can extrapolate a general case very directly here.Every extremist ideology has its new converts who just found out about it through a poorly-nuanced primer that's one step short of out-right propaganda and adopts it as an identity while remaining wilfully ignorant of all the reasons it has always failed before.Or did you think the proud boys were actually enlightened scholars who've fixed the flaws in fascism and will absolutely create a golden age through their RWDSs?
>>6533364230mm was supposed to take over for it in SPAAGs and at sea, while the concept behind the ZU-23-2 was just seen as wholly obsolete outside of niche roles.
The Russian fears the American farmer.
>>65333655Das it mane.
>>65333640>ergot poisoningIt takes more than late harvesting for that to be a problem but adding that to the mix of Russia's collapse would be hilarious.It's odds on whether the ergot flour would be sought out for magic bread and sold at a premium, or just cause large scale riots and anarchy because it got mixed into regular flour to conceal it.
>>65333655>The Amish have the technological edge nowThey're using a little 2-stroke on the harvester there aren't they?They could recycle one from a drone (from either side), they'll probably be quite plentiful and you could scavenge for parts around former refineries.
>>65333371my uncle was once telling me about how he managed to get clearance to visit Cuba during their 90s economic collapse and according to him women were trading their virginity in exchange for just basic toiletriesso if it's anything like that I'm looking forward to visiting
>>65333640>>65333677>ergotism>possibly responsible for Salem>in a nation famous for purges, show-trials, Siberian prisons, and secret policeOh fuck. The livestream potential is nearly limitless.
>>65333457Ukraine can supply turdies well enough on their own. The victory in the black sea was probably the thing that even allowed Ukraine to stay in the war and be solvent. Still can't believe how fucking Russia lost the blacked sea to a nation with bo navy.
>>65333642When Ukraine become a independent country after SU collapse they unironicaly inherited a very few Shilkas from Russians. If I remember correctly it was literally not even a one brigade. And these meager numbers were further lowered afterwrds, because they were selling these (and spare parts they hve) to various African countries. So when war started, what they have at their disposal were literally rusting leftovers than not even niggers want to buy with barely any spare parts. Nowadays, these few ZSU-23-4 that can still be sometimes seen are mostly Polish modernized units called 'Biala', delivered to them from Poland (duh).
>>65333393Fucking hilarious
>>65333683>The victory in the black sea was probably the thing that even allowed Ukraine to stay in the war and be solventI’m glad to see it finally pay off. Those retards who kept saying “it’s a land war, not a sea war))” are eating their words.
>>65333113>>65333119>>65333155Holy shit, is this an actual third-worlder PROOFS posting among us?
>>65333704The modern internet is brown, my friend. You have no idea how much brown subhumans are around you online at any second.
>>65333701Kamchatka's counterattack will bring everything in order.
>>65333215I don't.
>>65333706'Member when it was a White/Japanese club?
>>65333709I remember, I was online on my own PC since 1999, even before that using a friend's PC. I still host ~20 old school websites created by me during 2000 - 2010. Because fuck you, that's why.
Russia still has/uses helocopters?
>>65333709and it was white people who made and pushed web 2.0 and social media which destroyed the internet and is currently destroying society
>>65333588>it's already grain harvesting seasonOh dear.
>>65333420Russians are the most disgusting self-pitying people imaginable
>>65333709Remember when brazilians started flooding in and everyone was pissed about it?If only we knew how bad it would become
>>65333727>We are liberating you>You have the SVO, you came to us with a warI am genuinely demoralized if the average Russian is like this.
>>65333709Yes, and in those days I used to really enjoy meeting foreigners of all nationalities on the internet. Invariably they were well educated, intelligent, well spoken and curious people. These days, not so much.
>>65333730I used to host and run several HL1 and HL2 mod servers. Things were pretty fun, but then Valve made TF2 free to play on 2009 or 2010 and things immediately went downhill. Had to give over a dozen people admin powers because of the flood of shitters
>>65333258Are we taking bets on where the first modern instances of cannibalism are going to happen in Russia?
>>65333701>Those retards who kept saying “it’s a land war, not a sea war))” are eating their words.Not like they have much else to eat!
>>65332951I have said it before and will say it again. Drones are a fucking war crime. If you let unmanned vehicles conduct wars, the whats to stop tesla or face book building 40,000 drones and blowing up the entire military of Uganda?Private companies would build veritable drone armies and subjucate countries. How is this not a Hauge crime?
>>65333640even if they weren't, the sheer scale of individual farms nowadays would make it completely impractical, back in those days it was mostly subsistence farming, you are never in a million years getting enough scythes together to save this harvest.
>>65333744Carlos, wtf you are like that? I won't dare to let you tell a simplest joke about oil rafinery, because I'm afraid you will blew it...
>>65333328Make a smartphone an enlistment bonus ;)
>>65333326>chikenbreast at 7euro for half a kgfuck man I get for 6euro a kg and I earn trice as much
>>65333731They are worse. Especially the telegram-bimbos.
>>65333416Are these dudes as cunty as they seem?
>>65333745what the fuck are you talking about?> whats to stop tesla or face book building 40,000 droneswhat's stopping them from hiring mercs?>How is this not a Hauge crime?It's the Hague. And why the fuck would it be? Which article of the Geneva Conventions would have been breached by zuckerbot starting a war with uganda?
>>65333615
>>65333774Think they're just a mix of rabbit-guinea pig kind of behaviour, not too obnoxious really
>>65333628>and for now socialism is enough.To be fair, that is exactly how communism is supposed to be according to Marx. You go from feudalism to capitalism to socialism and then eventually to communism. Russians tried to skip capitalism and socialism and jumped straight into communism.I'm not saying Marx' ideas were right, I'm just saying they applied their own theory incorrectly.
>>65333800Still fucking surreal that there was a short time in the 1920ies when nobody knew wtf was goin' on in Russia and plebs thought the worker's paradise was there.Boy where they wrong. Hotel Lux was a hilarious mousetrap.
>>65333817Thousands of Westoid progs and commies vacayed there and got Potemkin'd by Lenin's professional liars.
>>65333237that farmer specified '60 litres not lasting a week' and his machinery matches that. he's one man with 50-300 acres.I'm guessing larger farms that have on-site fuel tanks rather than filling up flagons at the local servo probably get priority treatment.
>>65333731I've come to the personal conclusion that you can write off most individuals that post their face on telegram and the like as complete fucking loons, and this opinion predates the Special grain reclamation operation. >t. Mom and her friends posts stupid shit like this all the time Not to say this invalidates shit like them showing $20 tomatoes or whatever the fuck, just be aware that these sorts of people are naturally kind of dipshits.
>>6533384660L will run a big broadacre combine harvester about 45minutes Diesel is so important to agriculture I'm surprised that more countries don't have a much deeper level of understanding of just how critical it is, thats not even including all the logistics normie shit of getting products to a market and consumers because semi trucks are greedy boys too when it comes to fuel.
>>65333744Carlos, STAHP
>>65333004our drones will blot out the sun
>>65333913Then we will die in the shade!
>>65333751>because I'm afraid you will blew it...
>>65333869is this another "the beatings will continue until morale improves" situation
>>65333869This is horrible. Look at all that fuel they're wasting!
>>65333491NOS is Dutch state television. Boer means farmer in Dutch.
>>65333745>whats to stop tesla or face book building 40,000 drones and blowing up the entire military of Uganda?They'd be committing a slew of serious crimes in USA before they did anything off-shore.Yes, they don't exactly face the same justice as us but the crimes would be real and the government gets a bit irritable when private parties decide to muscle in on the war business.
>>65333707>sir the kamchatka just shot at the gerald r ford>no they didnt hit it
>>65333970why didn't they just commandeer an oil rig and call it Mother Base before trying to do this?
>>65333983>why didn't they just commandeer an oil rig and call it Mother Base before trying to do this?They got arrested before they left their home state, how were they supposed to commandeer an oil rig?With what army?
>>65333989>With what army?
>>65333869no arguments here, diesel and petrochemical fertilisers keep industrial scale farming going. australia has been sweating bullets about the strait of hormuz situation because we don't have enough local production but politicians understood the knock on effects if farmers didn't plant this season
>>65333371Isn't the situation in africa comparable? They're constantly genociding each other too and yet most that ends up on gore sites at best and the rest of the world just ignores it.
>>65333196>>65333286Ukraine is going after ships in the Black Sea and purposefully targetting the cargo in order to essentially burn down the boats
>>65334012Africa can sustain itself due to climate and such, also not having a legacy urbanized life. It will be much worse in russia.
>>65334023>Africa can sustain itself/k/ is "weapons and military", not "science fiction."
>>65334093You can survive in Africa without petrol, electricity, running water and heating. Go climb a tree and get a banan. You can't in russia.
>>65333113> It's ai.Is this the new script you have to use? If it shows russia in a bad light, you claim it's ai?I mean I guess, if it let's you pass time quicker while waiting in the fuel line.
>>65334123They're too lazy to climb a tree for banan.
>>65334123Imagine if putin had simply climbed tree, would be no war. Peace prize plz k thnx
>>65334023>Africa can sustain itself due to gibs from white people and suchFTFY famalam
>>65334156The issue for niggers is that they make 20 kids and are also lazy AF
>>65333098>>65333288Once they start hitting ships in the Black Sea there's more of a risk that there are non-Russian civilian crews. They likely want to give a chance of evacuation and reduce casualties.
>>65333326>819 rubbles for gherkin
>>65333100No, Ukraine did.
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>>65334165>The issue for niggers is that they make 20 kids and are also lazy AFThen beat the kids and tell them to get banan.Do you even poor?
>>65334204I'll give you 900 but only because I know the resale to the Dutch will be good.>>65334218>No, Ukraine did.Bravo anon!
>>65334343>I'll give you 900 but only because I know the resale to the Dutch will be good.annon, you can't out jew the Dutch
>>65333004Its actually too low. Ukraine is aiming at producing 7 million drones this year. >>65332985 number is 3 years out of date.
>>653331841. You have to be a psychopath to think that was anything but awesome. kudos to that kid. (Not directed at the poster, just saying it in general)2. Targeting gas stations might back fire since they are specifically civilian and the putin could then try to frame the war as existential 'we need to fight or the Ukrainians will kill you all' Also, being an assholes who target civilians is the Russian way. This too >>65333205, Ukraine is not going to run out of other targets and it's better to keep interdicting oil and destroying military and oil complexes.
>>65334359>You have to be a psychopath to think that was anything but awesome. kudos to that kid. (Not directed at the poster, just saying it in general)Yeah, I thought it was pretty cool for a downie too.
>>65334359>putin could then try to frame the war as existentialHe could always do this when he wanted. Fsb is always ready for a false flag operation on their own citizens. Any pls-hold-back argument is faulty, only thing that works against them is to hurt them as much as possible.
>>65333913>54,000 drones per day
>>65334389>54,000 drones per dayThat possibly includes both strike drones and interceptors as well as FPVs.It's still a big number of course but this is what the Danish program is about, leveraging the EU economy to defeat Russia without getting their hands dirty and doing it in a way that profits domestic businesses so that it's easy to sell to voters as economic stimulus.
>>65334410Nah it's literally just >Be danish government >Fail to start artillery production in Elling, North Jutland after 4 years>Fuck it, we'll just pay the ukrainians
>>65333184Droning petrol stations themselves is a useless terror PR. Hence why russians are actually doing it. It doesn't cause actual issues.
>>65334380He could, but the Ukrainians staging an actual attack would make it much easier. At this point, the the current strategy of 8 mile long lines is much more demoralizing to the average Russian.
>>65333512>they will probably get food support from China because Xi does not want Russia to descend into civil war and/or warlordismso Russia will pull China into civil war and/or warlordism, as per Chinese tradition.
>>65334479they are also stationary, easy targetshitting fuel transport if a lot harder
>>653331138/10 bait, I wanted to call it too retarded but it seems people just can't help but eat it up.
>>65333184That'd be a waste of drones, plus many people in the west could find it very unfunny and feed zigger propaganda about Ukies being terrorists.
>>65334643IIf thinngs realyl spiiral out of control in Russia, China could intervene.But the top #1 important thing for the CCP is to maintain power and internal stability, directly followed by maintainning and gaining prestige.They have beenn loudly and openly preparing to attack Taiwan foor years nooowo, building ships, carriers, drone carriers, those anndingn bridige things, planes, long range missiles, amphibs, light tanks etc.And not a word about their convenntinal land forces, except the occasional pic . . .the last of which showed them using their Temu HIMARS to shrek an S400 mockup.And they are big, and I mean BIG on strategic deception.The whole Art of War thing, appear weak where you are stronng, appear strong where you are weak, be subtlel to the point of formlessness.
>>65333069"it's scary to travel with our passport now, so you all definitely shouldn't try to travel outside russia before uncle vova mobilizes you"
>>65334747Isn't fear of forced military conscription something you can apply for asylum over?
>>65332958If it has to land, it's going to get hit by another drone and we'd have footage.It's done for.
>>65333970Are these people from /k/ kek
>>65333069I'm gonna miss this guy when he gets defenestrated.
>>65334351>annon, you can't out jew the DutchSay what you will about the mayo-on-chips crowd but they do pay their delivery charges.
>>65334772Not if you're Ukrainian apparently
>>65334833mad lol
>>65334839It's true though. Human rights appear to be a very pliable and easily dismissable thing when it is convenient.
>>65334851There's an obvious difference between refusing to serve in a war of aggression and refusing to defend your country.
>>65334857Should the people being pressganged into service (taken into slavery) care about this distinction?
>>65334866Are you complaining about military service on /k/?
>>65334871Are being a submissive bootlicker on /k/?
>>65334878You will fight for your country and you will be happy. Unless you are Russian, then you will just die instead (still should probably be happy desu, satan will save you from being Russian).
>>65334893This is why goys deserve what they get.
>>65334772No unless you are brown
>>65333268>>Rarogvin Polish is a bird you carry in your pocket and brings happinessI'm fond of hunting birds, but I'm not sure it'd fit in a pocket.
>>65333913Uhh, rusissies?I was of getting told that wect can't industrialize...
>>65333272The real question is: what currency will new Conventional Units be based on? I'm hoping for the Euro for maximum vatnik seethe.
>>65334878you are.
>>65333326Awaiting runs on grocery stores when they realize the prices are only gonna rise. Should fuck up the supply situation real nice.
>>65334951The only thing that will cause a run of groceries is if there's a chance of a vodka shortage
>>65333417>let lone fuelI wouldn't worry about that.
>>65333478From abroad, judging by his name.
internet status?
>>65334866>muh pressgangsBack to this shill point are we?
>>65333869Crime against humanity.(before anyone complains about ziggers not being human, I'm talking about the atrocious watermark flying everywhere)
>>65333428Given that Maccas pulled out of the market I'm not sure they can fully be mapped onto it now, even though a local company has taken over the stores it still means a lot of differences.
>>65333690Ukraine has actually modernised some Shilkas with modern digital fire control systems.I wish we'd see more Shilkas probably my favourite Soviet vehicle, sadly never seen any in person in every tank museum I've ever been at.
>>65332977>>65333478It makes way too much sense this guy isn't entirely Russian, given the joyful and harmonious animals on his farm. Why do sheep keep bullying dogs?
>>65333286>wolgaSt. PIDORSBURG detectedspoiler: I liked St. Pete and hope it gets independence some day.
>>65333286>mooringmoored is an excellent worddocked (or at dock) is also acceptable
>>65333508apropos>https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2026-07-15/india-turns-cow-dung-into-biofuel-to-power-cars-cut-reliance-on-oil-importsCars Powered by Cow Dung Show India a Way to Ease Fuel Crunch
>>65334001Oh I'm still sweating, like I only have a couple of river acres set aside for irrigated hay production as my main grown crop, the rest is sheep and cattle so they're much lighter on the fuel costs apart from transporting. But they'll still be on at least 4 truck transport runs before they end up on anyone's table.I can not mow hay and be 'alright' but it'd be a substantial amount of lost cash and we're coming into a long drought season so its the guys like me who prop up the other farmers during that so they can keep their herds intact.>>65335602>Why do sheep keep bullying dogs?Some of the big crossbred and english pure-breeds are pretty chonky critters. Like even a big crossbred ewe with a couple of lambs is still 60-70kg of cranky animal and they can assert themselves about pretty well. That's before we even get into rams, which are just fucking hilarious up until its you on the receiving end of 100kg/220lb of 'nut sack height' trouble in which case its deadly serious!
>>65333343Honestly, they *look* better than most of the veggies I'd find at my local Aldis. Though at my Aldis they cost (checks conversion rate) 1/10th the price.
>>65334817only for them to charge you so much for parking that your profit is gone
>>65333326why is everything plastic wrapped and on Styrofoam in the veggies section? And they call us frivolous in the west. You want potatoes, tomatoes, really hardskinned vegetable, you can just pull them from a stack, pick the ones you like and pay by weight. Not all this extra plastics shit
>>65336032>why is everything plastic wrapped and on Styrofoam in the veggies section?To justify doubling the price for convenient curated single-meal portions.
>>65336032Other anon is right. You can see the same thing during corn season in the US with grocery stores packing 4 ears in a package and upselling it to you because it comes pre-shucked. Some guy is in the back room preparing all those.
>>65334788>Are these people from /k/ kekYou now remember all those threads about invading North Sentinel island and killing the men and enslaving the women, girls, and boys.
>>65336356>You know rememberSkaven anon pls
>>65336360Scamper scurry back to /tg/ anon, that was an honest typo and not at all caused by my talons clacking down on cherry-reds.
