Has history vindicated the Eurofighter as being the fighter in the world, cost-efficiency wise?
>>65336557It's definitely the fighter in the world. Cheap? No. Better? No. Meteor? Hell yeah.
>>65336583It’s cheap for Europe
>>65336599100-136m just for the airframeF-35 is $82.5-109 million for the airframeThe F-15EX airframe cost is ~94m
>>65336621Tranche 4 is 158m
>>65336636oof
>>65336621>136m going to European workers and countriesvs>80m going to the USA.
>>65336784you're preaching to the wind
I mean its more expensive, less paper-capable, and less combat experienced than the F-35, but as a jobs program its alright aside from all the US parts. The main goal is just to make a welfare program out of a semi-servicable 4th gen, if some plot armor version of russia stood to take poland or whatever everyone seems to think they can just rapidly buy american all at once. They cant, but like, germany will probably get a couple of F-35 orders in, and europeans generally dont care what their governments do with their money very much. It really doesnt matter, it may sound like im dissing the plane or europe but im really not. Ukraine has stopped russia from doing anything wacky for a decade. Poland is an even stiffer bulwark. Europe doesnt really need anything fancy, they just need muh gibs.
>>65336557You tell me
>>65336803>need to do insane amounts of ass licking just to be put in the "maybe" listimagine if a nato member, let's say romania, purchased chinese j-35s. what would happen?
>>65336913Turkey got the political assfuck of the century for buying S-400s so I imagine that a much less important country such as Romania would be straight up kicked out of NATO without a second thought
>>65336557I don't know about being the fighter in the world, but it's definitely one of the planes on the market right now
>>65336557Has it ever even fired a missile in anger?
>>65337684Apparently yes, and quite recently!https://www.aeronewsjournal.com/2026/03/raf-typhoon-downs-iranian-drone-in.html
>>65336913The USA would end up with one of them and we'd have it apart within hours and spend the weekend LMAOing at Chinese LARP
It is so garbage one country decided it was best to send it to the graveyard than to update it, despite having plenty of flight hours left in the lifespan.
>>65337937i remember when i was like 10 years old and playing H.A.W.X. 2 and thinking the Eurofighter Typhoon must be the best shit ever because Yurop is le best & F-16 is old & i didnt even know (or care) about the F-22 & the F-35 wasnt even in service yet... those were the times
>>65336892it was also operational decades before the F-35
>>65336557Rafale looks better, about as good as canard-delta wing dogshit goes.
>>65338921Oddly France stayed with the program until they had learned all they wanted to know and rage quit to make their own.Pretty much any multinational project France is in ends the same way.
>>65338835Eurofighter Introduced: 2003F-35B: 2015Hardly "decades before".
>>653389281986 model. It took that long.
>>65338928It's literally decades before, can you not count??
>>6533893412 years is hardly decades (plural, more than one multiple of 2 years). Not like Eurofighter got very far with those 12 extra years.
>>65338955>multiple of 2 years10 years, the rum is speaking
>as being the fighter in the worldCan someone translate this into english? Did the thirdie mean to say "best fighter"?
>>65336892This guy gets it. Most major government projects are just inefficient jobs and pork programs. If it actually produces something useful, great. If not, just ask for more money and try again.>>65338927Based frogs. If they can't control a program or company, they'll take what they can before leaving and doing it themselves.
>>65338932Always wild to me how its an eighties fighter that came out in the early aughts.Meteor has the same vibe where you would think it entered service in the nineties but wasn't actually until 2016.
>>65338964>Most major government projects are just inefficient jobs and pork programs.Europe's space industry is a great example of this, they are trapped by it and have been reduced to national security launches after having been the leader of commercial launches for decades.
>>65338955that's obviously tons of decades
first German tranche 4 EF recently had its first flightbiggest improvement is probably the new Hensoldt/Indra AESA radar
the primary example is the rafale, it was being a warehouse dump for years until egypt bought the first batch and validated it, while others in the market like indian and arabs cried it wasnt a good fighter, then they flocked to buy it after, lol
if you were to put just a regular F-35A with a normal loadout into a 'joist' with a Tranche 4, the F-35 is going to win 999 times out of 1000, and I think the Meteor is a much better missile than the AMRAAM
>>65336621huh so the eurofighter is a completely inferior plane to the f-35 and it costs way more?how the fuck does that happen, even with the scale of manufacturing the f-35 is far more advanced with much more expensive equipment in ithow does something so much worse cost so much more?
>>65339204>how does something so much worse cost so much moreHave you considered how Amazon can sell you fresh items cheaper than your local store, it's because they can sell them cheaper at a loss until your local store closes.
>>65339207The cheap goods amazon sells aren't the best fighter in the world with more advanced equipment than anything competing with it thobeit.
>>65336784>136m going to European workers and countriesMore like to Muhammad and his 24 children
>>65339204The F-35 is a much more modern program, and it's being made in large numbers. The more you make, the cheaper something is. Most of the cost of the airframe is rolled into R&D, so if you only make 350 typhoons they're going to be costly, and if you make 1600 F-35s they're going to be cheaper per unit.
>>65339232Didn't F22 take most of the development cost.
>>65339242Hardly. The F35's electronics is miles ahead compared to the F22.That being said, yes, with regard to the stealth coating, the F22 walked so the F35 could run.But that's like claiming the F117 "took most of the development cost" from the F22 - not quite true either.
>>65339242The F-22 is 1980's technology, most of the development cost was oh now the navy wants a STOL version and the C variant needs extended range and CATOBAR
>>65339242>>65339260you know what's weird to me?the oddly pervasive myth that the F35's radar coating is somehow "inferior" to the F-22's.like man, with the years of improvements in both shaping and radar coating, it's significantly stealthier than the F22, idk why this is even a question.
>>65339271>mosttill today "most" of the F35's complexity and cost remains in sensor fusion, the EOTS and DAS, the MADL, and EWarguably also the knock-on effect on engine and power supply>>65339275>idk why this is even a questionolder I get the more I realise how fucking retarded, lazy, and disingenuous the people around me are
>>65336557It can fly at speeds and altitudes while carrying amounts of weaponry and detecting threats and targets at distances, thus we are forced to conclude that it is certainly one of the fighters in the world, if not the fighter in the world.
>>65339283it cost so much because it was 3 aircraft in development and during the development process every department that wanted to order them couldn't make up their minds on what the aircraft needed to have
>>65339214>>>/pol/
>>65339300>it was 3 aircraft in developmenthow are the F35A, B and C sensor systems different from each other?they're notnor their armamentnor their data linksnor their EW capabilitiesnor their radarsand these are the major costs and holdups for the programme
>>65339326all three airframes are still physically different from one another, it was 3 aircraft with a bunch of different departments changing their minds mid-development, and it's a miracle the program wasn't canceled as a result of cost overruns.
>>65338955yes esl, a decade is 10 years. 10, and then another, and then another (2) more, for three decades
>>65339428I have not disputed that, nor that the F35B incurred additional costs for the lift fan, nor that the F35C incurred additional costs for the strengthened undercarriage, bigger wings, and tailhookbut the costs arising from those other components pales in comparison to the other items I mentioned
>>65338964>>65339006Also France needs a naval/marine version of a fighter while no other EU country cared for that.
>>65338927That's some great fan fiction, bro. In real life, meanwhile, Dassault Aviation designed, built, and flew a bi-reactor delta canard in the '70s: It was called the Dassault Mirage 4000.The Eurofighter program was launched in '84. France left in '85 because it was terrible. The final concept of the Eurofighter was only adopted in 1987. Today, the Eurofighter is exported to five countries, while the Rafale is exported to nine.
>>65336557Gripen is the low.Rafale is the high.Typhoon is the mid in a high-low mix?
>>65339583Rafale is the mid
>>65339583>rafale>high
>>65336621>The F-15EX airframe cost is ~94mMissouri Oblast bros... we keep winning...
>>65339583what's the difference between low and high fighters?
>>65340042Vibes.
>>65336621>The F-15EX airframe cost is ~94m>>65339974never wascouple years ago USAF asked Boeing pointblank if they would contractually commit to <100m and they mumbled some excuse-sounding noises and slunk awaynow of course with inflation and all the price has gone up clearly above the three-digit-million markfurthermore, the F-15EX needs more investment besides just the flyaway cost in order to be more survivable: the EPAWSS upgrade alone costs some megabucks; the Worst Koreans just paid nearly 90 million dollars per F-15 for their EPAWSSthat's the price of not-stealth in today's battlefield>>65340042with the Gripen, no room for upgrades and short legs
>>65340076I don't know shit, but maybe Boeing is using F-15EX appropriations to help build up the F-47 plant in STL, which is also where the F-15EX plant is.
>>65340042It's supposed to be that the low fighter is cheaper to operate but far less capable.European militaries are too small to support such a mix so the Eurocanards have to try to do both roles which results in a low/medium capability aircraft with high cost.>>65340076>source>"dude trust me bro"
>>65336557That would be the grippen. Or the supper Tucano depending of what you are going to fight.
>>65336621A spitfire cost £5000. There is no way a single F35 could possibly win against 14000 spitfires. He would run out of ammo and would have to land and be destroyed there.
>>65340076If we started selling EX airframes European countries would be lining up with fists full of cash, it's basically perfect for squaring up with any non-stealth adversary when SAMs are not an issue.
>>65339443Three decades is 30 years, not 12, what are you talking about?>>65339275Depends on if you're talking about US F-35s or foreign F-35s.
>>65340481An artillery canister full of buck and ball costs $1500, set up some low tech acoustic sensors and have 14,000 of them fire off at the same time, the chances none of them hit are slim.
>>65340489>An artillery canister full of buck and ballPretty sure the Krauts have shot millions of them at spitfires.
>>65340483NTA; we do, don't we? Israel bought a bunch.
>>65340042>highHigh performance, high cost, low numbers; their job is to clear the airspace and make it so the enemy is incapable of challenging you with anything that's trying to get off the ground because it will get wacked without getting a shot off so there's not even an attritionable component to them suiciding their airforce>lowlow cost, lower but still good performance, high numbers; once the high planes have secured the airspace and flushed out the initial threats, the low planes can operate with relatively low risk and conduct strike missions without bleeding money, while still being capable of defending themselves against a nasty surprise but unlike a high plane, there is a significant element of risk to them engaging with enemy air elements
>>65340042>>65340559I'll add to what Anon said. Think of Day 1 of Desert Storm. F-117's and EF-111's first, then F-16's later.
>>65340467you can get a grippen my shaft
>>65340507>Israel>European>>65340483>If we started selling EX airframes European countries would be lining up with fists full of cash, it's basically perfectit's pretty good but they have Typhoonsomething Americans may not quite grasp is that unlike the American economy, a full half of the European economy depends on government contracts, so there is massive pressure on governments not to buy foreign as much as possible. and fighter jets are very high profile. they can get away much easier with hidden shit like textiles and tankers, of course.
>>65340581>Israel>EuropeanMy point was that Europe is perfectly allowed to buy F-15EX. It's not the F-22.
>>65339583Rafale got dicked by Chinese jets.
>>65336636>Tranche 4 is 158mGot an official price list or where did you get that number from?
>>65340606>"My source is that I made it the fuck up!"
>>65340606>>65340611>https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/germany-approves-54-billion-euro-purchase-38-eurofighter-jets-source-2020-11-05/do you need help with the math?
>>65340632>Article from 2020 which also states that Germany will buy F-18s.Weak anon, very weak.
>>65340656>literal contract signing doesn't countKYS you waste of space
>>65340678The F-18 contract got changed into F-35s, the Eurofighters in question were new EW variants IIRC
>>65340656Pointing out the numbers were that high 6 years ago isn't the best argument for the Typhoon.
>>65341090In the same time period my favorite taco bell diarrhea menu taco doubled in price, so maybe they got locked in at the low low price of $158m
>>65340611Turkey paid $400 million an airframe but that came with integration, meteors, spares, training, etc.
>>65336557It's definitely a fighter in the world
>>65340765>new EW variantsthat's the latest contract for 20 Eurofighters equipped with Saab wingtip EW pods(yuros doing the Russian thing pretending that wingtip pods can approach anything like the power of the Growler's underwing pods, but I digress)the contract I posted was for 38 Eurofighters all the way back in 2020and I'm not even the anon who first posted that price list
>>65336932>I imagine that a much less important country such as Romania would be straight up kicked out of NATO without a second thought>32 F-35 on order
>>65342235NAYRT but can you follow a fucking conversation?>>65336913>imagine if a nato member, let's say romania, purchased chinese j-35shas Romania purchased Chinese J-35s?
