>armor piercing designated marksman rifle that can penetrate armor and is less accurate than a AK74what is the point?
>>65339946What about the Groza?
>>65339946It's a designated marksman's rifle for a reason.
>>65339946>designated marksman rifleThe VAL is an SMG more than anything else. The VSS was the plinker for picking off sentries.>what is the point?Its quieter than a suppressed AK74, presumably more lethal than a suppressed AK74 shooting subsonics and in a package thats much shorter and handier than a suppressed AK74.
>>65339946>>65339952they're awesome. stop thinking so much
>>65339946>armor piercing rifle that cant penetrate armorthe only sure way to pierce armor is speed and a gun designd from the ground up to be subsonic gives that up, thats why its such a big bore round to maximalize what you can get out of it within those constraints. frankly 9x39 did pretty well to nearly defeat a lvl 3 rifle plate, that's way more than I ever expected from a gun intended for soviet era soft armor and steel helmets.
>>65340045>frankly 9x39 did pretty well to nearly defeat a lvl 3 rifle plateweird way to spell fail to defeat
>>65340130It was protruding so could be reasonably expected to go right through on occasion, which is pretty good for something that shouldnt do anything to hard plates.
>>65340045If you're talking about the forgotten weapons vid it almost but didnt pen the area that had been hammered by 5.56. The are that wasnt weakened it didn't even get close and stuck outside
>>65340194it protruding against the shittiest lvl 3 plate out there on occasion isn't "pretty good" and amounts to still not doing anything to hard plates.
>>65340045>9x39 did pretty well to nearly defeat a lvl 3 rifle plateit wasnt anywhere near defeating a lvl 3 in good condition, stopped right on the surface
>>65340210Thats absolutely pretty good for a round with .45 ballistics.
>>65340222>Thats absolutely pretty good for a round with .45 ballistics.so it's good for nothing in comparison to anything else
>>65339946To stealthily kill sentries and outlying troops without fully alerting the entire unit.
Super spoopy secret service mega stealth demon rifle of the ministry of interior army gay rape issued only to the most skilled of conscriptovich, can't even penetrate the lowest level of ballistic plate LOLOLOLOLOLabsolute obsolete like every piece of ruzzian mongrel gear
>>65339946The key is to think of it as a better SMG, not a worse rifle. Basically the kinds of missions you take the val for, you'd otherwise carry a 9mm supressed
>>65339946special weapon for special purposes, it's not a gun made for the average civilian shooter, it's a gun made because some SF dude wanted that for a type of mission that no other guns in his arsenal could do.
>>65340451>Basically the kinds of missions you take the val for, you'd otherwise carry a 9mm supressedStill less accurate AND louder than an MP5SD. With bulker and heavier ammo, and a negotiable difference in armor penetration compared to any given AP 9x19 round.That's including Swedish m/39b ammo, which is just ball ammo with a thicc copper-plated steel jacket over a small lead core.A few weeks ago I told all you faggots this in a 9x39 circlejerk thread, and you refused to believe me.That was despite the fact that I've shot an original mil-surp VSS with original AP ammo on multiple occasions and seen first hand that the accuracy is shit and barely capable of reliably making hits on pizza box sized targets at roughly 100m/y.The awful accuracy is typical of integrally suppressed firearms. All you newfags refused to believe it, but it's the truth. Integrally suppressed = inaccurate.The only ones who've somehow managed to space-magic their way around that issue are the krauts, and I have no idea how they did it. The MP5SD is the ONLY integrally suppressed gun that's both quiet and reasonably accurate.Yes, all the wildly overpriced bullshit meme-guns marketed by Judeo-American companies like Q are just as inaccurate as the VSS and the AS-VAL. They all suck.The violently autistic krauts are the only ones who've ever made this shit work as intended. And they did it with slide-rule calculations back in the 60s and 70s.No one has ever managed to improved upon their work.
>>65339946*can't penetrate armor
>>65339946Well, now you know why it's unobtainium:not because it's an Earth-shaking Aliens Are Real secret that needs keeping from the masses.But because it's niche like the OSS Silenced STEN as >>65340427 says.
>>65340524>original AP ammoWhich one? The fact you can't even differentiate between them shows your argument holds no water.
>>65340524are we sure the krauts didn't fake the results like they are notorious for
>>65340524>All of these words just to fanboy over the MP5 and make massive, massive blanket statements with absolutely zero photographic evidence to back up your claimsYeah. You've *totally* shot an AS VAL, bro.
>>65340627I never said I shot an AS VAL, I said I shot an original military surplus VSS.Those are unobtainable in the US, but they're reasonably attainable in much of Europe.'Not unobtainable unicron guns by any measure, just uncommon because they're worse than the competing optionsThe same way SVDs, Tigers, and various Chinese Dragunov clones are available but uncommon because any given bargain bin AR-10/SR-25 variant wipes the floor with them.Commercial versions of the VSS were commercially sold here until just a few weeks ago.They were all New-Old-Stock, just collecting dust on store shelves. Imported before the anti-zigger sanctions that started in 2022.No sane individual wanted to waste their money on one, because they're simply downright bad guns, with no real applications and a highly questionable ammo supply.The handful of available examples were all sold to collector who never intended to actually use them.
>>65339946They're kind of shit, had a poorly optimized cartridge, and were definitely not marksman rifles. Trying to cram it into your Western centric taxonomy is stupid.The only thing that made it good was some genuinely competently designed projectiles.Today a 300BLK/338ARC AR with a good suppressor, with a similar penetrator, does everything it ever did significantly better.
>>65340675The fact you still have not posted a picture, and instead are engaging in a spelling-error filled multi-paragraph rant, tells me you've actually never shot a gun in your life.
>>65339946>russian propaganda made people think steel core 9x39 penetrates better than steel core 7.62x54R
>>65340745If anything it’s westoid propaganda because nobody but the player (while abusing their AI) can take these guys on>western special forces canonically roll through everything and everyone in this setting (yes Black Division are all former spec ops and possibly on designer drugs)
>>65340961Nikitas always been a closet westoid. His favorite gun is the M4, the best AK is the only western-made one, and the only characters in the game actively making moves on terragroup are the goons, with every russian being either in their pocket or keeping their head down.
>>65339946For silence sniping of Moнoлит without disturb nearby Flesh.
>>65340607phtphtphtphtphtphtpPSHHHHHHHHHH
>>65340961Okay, and pre-2022 any Western equivalent where you'd be a regular grunt would make a Spetsnaz team similarly unstoppable.You need to hype up your own enemies to make you feel good about finally vanquishing them.
>>65340618there is only one AP load for VSS and bringing up some shitty military number transcript from russian doesn't make you smart or knowlegeablenta btw
>>65341205>there is only one AP load for VSS>there is only one AP load of 9x39mmLmaoEvery one of these except the SP-5 is an AP round.Original poster couldn't even name the round he supposedly fired and thought MP5 rounds had superior armor penetration, so chances are he shot SP-5s. They're the only stuff you'll find easily available commercially.
>>65341189Tarkov does nothing to hype up russians. The russian army is paid off by Pfizer and of the of the two canon bear squads mentioned ingame, one got beaten to death by a single crackhead and the other scams skier and the player out of several million dollars.
>>65339990>The VAL is an SMG more than anything else. The VSS was the plinker for picking off sentries.They're the same gun with different furniture. One came with extended mags and the other came with a low power scope.>>65340213It was developed when the PASGT vest, which sported '13 entire layers' of kevlar, was the standard infantry armor in the west. It could also defeat the Soviet's most advanced armors that utilized titanium plates. For its time, this was impressive.
>>65339946*can't
>>65340194>>65340045Two shots on a shitty eurocuck ceramic level III that had already taken more than half a dozen rifle rounds didn't come close to penetrating at nearly contact range. One round even landed almost directly on top of a previous rifle hit.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIrC_TxhBfI&pp=ygURZm9yZ290dGVuIHdlYXBvbnM%3D
>>65339946>every video on this has a comment section filled with Stalker references>Chaser had it years earlierSad. Where my Novyy Yeropol bros at?
>>65339946I remember oxide raving about the VSS trigger being nice but when i dry fired one, it was just okay. Def better than a standard AK trigger, miles better than a SVD trigger, but nothing to write home about
>>65341189Really not trying to hate but can you name any games like that? Closest I can think of is maybe older CODs but even in those the Spetsnaz and VDV were just cannon fodder.
>>65339946>armor piercingintended to penetrate frag vests. Especially since Soviet troops who would be armed with this would be shooting at rear echelon forces behind enemy lines. The whole thing is intended to be sneekibreekie the rifle. Even with the VSS, it's really just there to one tap a sentry in order to sneak into an area to sabotage something. The next best thing to fill that sort of role would be a high powered air gun which would have very obvious drawbacks.
>>65339946>what is the point?Special forces need special rifles and a special cartridge. That's how elitism works there
>>65341229>>there is only one AP load of 9x39mm>Every one of these except the SP-5 is an AP round.every one of these except the SP-5 and 6 isn't meant for or intended to be used in the VSS, retarded zigger cocksucker.>waaah, he didn't name muh tarkov numbered transcripteat shit and die
>>65342064>eat shit and dieBoom
