The 8th general nuclear thread on /k/ since 2024. Discuss military and civilian nuclear design and fuckups alike, or read translations of such
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/63053811/https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/63104003/https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/63235460/https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/64284335/https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/64312521/https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/64625001/ https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/65066017/
Gonna post the single most fucked up translated piece I can recall. 'Goodbye Berdyanish'>Measurements in the contaminated area were carried out by special teams, which, in addition to dosimetrists, included KGB officers and soldiers. One of the participants, S.F. Osotin recalled “Together with other dosimetrists, we carried out an evacuation from the village of Berdyanish. People were washed, the contamination of livestock, things, and residents was determined. The village of Berdyanish, like the villages of Saltykovo and Galikayevo, was subjected to the greatest contamination. Residents of these settlements had to be evacuated immediately...">When we arrived in the village of Berdyanish, people were living a normal life. Children were running around the village carefree, having fun. We approached them with a device: "I can accurately determine with this device which of you ate more porridge." The children gladly exposed their stomachs. The "field" emitting from each child's stomach was 40-50 μR/sec... The cows were extremely "dirty." The soldiers drove them into silo pits and shot them, which had an extremely depressing effect on the people. The soldiers destroyed all the houses and outbuildings, burying the remains in trenches. It was very difficult to evacuate the population from their native village.>The village of Berdyanish was mainly inhabited by Bashkirs. A lot of effort had to be expended to destroy the "dirty" clothes and utensils of the residents. People tried to prove that there was no "dirt" on the clothes, pots and pans..." That's straight from the cleanup crew. The reports of deaths aren't strictly recorded in the record, but you can find a couple witnesses in 90s era documentaries insisting kids and animals died shitting blood and losing weight. If so it would be the only cases of ARS to occur off-site in any nuclear plant incident
>>65362749Incredible stuff, anon. Please more about Mayak if you have it. Any more stories about Beria forcing people to disassemble the first reactor graphite by hand?
>>65362749>The "field" emitting from each child's stomach was 40-50 μR/secI assume this is very bad?
Reposting my absolute favorite, the Six Million Sievert Man>Chechen thieves in 1999 break into a facility in Grozny to steal cobalt >6 Colbalt-60 rods measuring 27,000 curies each are taken. (So 162 thousand curies, like 6 PBQ) >One of the thieves holds onto them against his body for a while, one report says he was shirtless not sure>He dies within 30 minutes after seizures>Other thieves die within 48 hoursSome extra notes:>they ate so many rads in so little time that their eyes started glowing, Cherenkov's radiation was bouncing around within their eyes>the naked guy ate so much spice that no model can even calculate that amount, but apparently all water in his body got turned into hydrogen peroxide from radiation>one of the theories is that they stole it for planned dirty bombing campaigns, the guys stealing it were either not informed about what they're stealing or nobody expected it to be spicy enough to cause ARS within a minuteNow I do wonder, how much radiation would our planet eat if it was hit by a nearby supernova, and how does it compare to the main guy getting the ol' spicy Co-60 briefcase treatment. Is this even comparable?>>65366316IIRC they all died from bloody diarrhea, so this was indeed very bad
>>65366394>gets whole-body total radiolysis after just a couple minutesJesus fuck. That's some spicy fucking meatball right there.
>>65366394Why was the one guy naked tho?
>>65366403Chechen things, you'd often see them go around without the top for some weird macho points, but having a t-shirt on wouldn't really help him if he was hugging that briefcase like a teddy bear
>>65366394>Now I do wonder, how much radiation would our planet eat if it was hit by a nearby supernova, and how does it compare to the main guy getting the ol' spicy Co-60 briefcase treatment. Is this even comparable?Not very much and not at all. They are pretty common. There have been 20 in the last 300,000 years. The mechanism for them being dangerous to life is gamma rays stripping the ozone layer. They're the possible cause for 2 of the 30 or so mass extinction events on record, which seems scary until you compare it to how frequently they happen (ie for each one that causes an extinction event there are thousands that don't).
>>65366394>their eyes started glowing, Cherenkov's radiation was bouncing around within their eyes>apparently all water in his body got turned into hydrogen peroxide from radiationYyyyeah, call me unimaginative or sceptic but I'd like some more concrete reports about it.
>>65366478Technically radiolysis causes water to decompose into hydrogen peroxide, hydrogen radicals, ozone, and a bunch of other shit. So if you got mad irradiation it's possible that your water content could do that. Considering they died soon after it's possible.
>>65366394>He dies within 30 minutes after seizuresHis EEG must've looked like a magnitude 9 quake on a seismograph
>>65366403I wonder why the subhuman rape-animal distains clothes.God I love these threads, just "oh interesting I hadn't heard of- JESUS FUCKING CHRIST!"
>>65366478Imo it's probably more of a thought experiment (as in that amount of radiation would be enough to turn so many litres of water in hydrogen peroxide) rather than the dude being literally 60% H2O2 because it's not stablest compound by definition Not like it makes a difference to the guy in question, he was toast way before, most likely due to his brain lightning up like a Christmas tree As another anon aptly said, the delay to vomiting is a great indicator of your survival chances but if you show neurological symptoms before or without vomiting you're so turbo fucked it's not even on the scale
>>65366478Reportedly, the Cherenkov bit comes from the two guys that GTFO as soon as their comrade started doing seizure-induced breakdance on the floor. Per their words, any time they blinked, instead of the usual "darkness" they saw a faint blue glow as the water within their eyes was experiencing that effect.I can absolutely see why it would be unbelieveable, but these guys ate several thousand REMs at about dozen or so feet from the source, while the briefcase itself was emitting approximately 376,924 REM/hr at 1ft distance, the one carrying it got an equivalent of a blue flashbang before going completely blind.
>>65366546>God I love these threads, just "oh interesting I hadn't heard of- JESUS FUCKING CHRIST!"I know, right? The stories about Russian nuclear subs are my favorites.
>>65366851What's the timeline on that, like within a second you get the first symptoms of peroxide mass poisoining which is what, stroke?
love these threads. if there's interest I'll post about the soviet uranium mines, potentially the single most horrifying thing I've ever learnt about other than dirlewanger
>>65368167PLEASE DADDY
>>65368167>soviet uranium mines, potentially the single most horrifying thing I've ever learnt about other than dirlewangerIgnorance is bliss.
>>65368229https://www.vsuniversal.com/uploads/1/4/2/6/14266332/booklet_mailuu-suu_a3_en.pdfno sleep 4 u
>>65368229oh also there's ghostshttps://books.openbookpublishers.com/10.11647/obp.0026/19_Chapter12.html
this is all russian PTSD from working in the uranium rock crushing hellholeshttps://reibert.info/threads/lager-butugychag.15330/
Now, with more soviet grimdark suffering!https://archive.khpg.org/en/1505150837
And also there is a Valley of Death.https://ucrazy.org/other/1444755797-lager-butugychag.html
for the uranium mines - some photos
Butugychag photos, because you want those nightmares to be accurate after all.https://sevvostlag.ru/067_butugychag
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https://www.nytimes.com/1948/12/28/archives/russia-uses-30000-women-at-slave-labor-in-uranium-mines-escaped.htmlHistorical article on the subject, so it's never been secret lol
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>>65368415they look like awesome Insurgency maps
>>65368432Note the bar which locks the entrance from the outside>In local folklore, the area is known as Death Valley. This name was given to the area by the nomadic tribes that domesticated and raised deer in the area. As they travelled along the Detrin River, they stumbled upon a huge field filled with human skulls and bones. Soon after, their deer became ill with a mysterious disease; the first symptom was loss of fur on their legs, followed by lack of energy and refusal to walk.
>>65368432>>65368439If this is an entrance to abandoned uranium mine, and if this was build with typical russian approach to safety, imagine a stream of Rn coming out of it...
Butugychag is particularly notable as a work camp due to the relatively unique combination (even by gulag standards) of an extremely high mortality rate, catastrophic environmental impact (due to radiation), and having been almost totally erased from the historical record and forgotten until recently returning to prominence in the early 21st century. Inmates were forced to mine raw uranium with rudimentary tools if or even their bare hands, completely unprotected from radiation (often even naked), fed virtually nothing. Despite only reaching a maximum occupancy rate of around 30,000 by 1952, it claimed nearly 300,000 lives by the end of its ten year run in 1955, and no inmate was expected to live longer than a few months at most, meaning the camp effectively devoured 30,000 lives for each year it existed. I think if one were to visit, one would find it difficult to remain without feeling the sheer weight of death and suffering weighing on them, even as the camp is now but ruins.
>>65368444I want to see the deep levels.
Wismut, East Germany. Uranium minne with paid workers but it wasn't better.https://forum.untertage.com/viewtopic.php?t=8566
Ah here is the lowest levels of uranium hell, that took some searching.
Beautiful (lethal) kolyma spring (waste) water.
>>65368539nope it's not ice, this is summer
Photographs from an expedition by the Gulag History Museum.https://amp.meduza.io/amp/feature/2017/08/13/ostatki-uranovogo-lagerya-v-magadane-fotografii-iz-ekspeditsii-muzeya-istorii-gulaga
https://www.rferl.org/a/soviet-uranium-mines-explored-abandoned-photo-exclusive-radioactive/33581234.htmlxaxaxaxa is typical Bohemian Blue mine water
Um what a fake, he tossed glow sticks in there right? RIGHT?
Some of it is in an ultra deep permafrost layer. (Butugychag)
>>65368582Frost on cavern ceilings always looks cool
>>65368377>>65368388>>65368410Thanks for these, anon. Interesting reading.
>>65368599I enjoy the digging. I'm sure some spooks and some OSINT already have it but it's so niche you feel like you're urbexing through the internet.>>65368595it's crazy that this is not a close up but they're huge fucking old crystals
>>65368662>it's so niche you feel like you're urbexing through the internet.I agree, and a good analogy.. I thought I was okay at finding obscure stuff like but when those pages loaded up my 1st thought was 'how the hell did he find this'? :-) Good stuff, much appreciated.
>>65368662I'm not gonna shrink the phone pic but the spikes in my pic are about the size of my hand, there were a couple kinds of the frosty bits. Some were more quartz crystal looking, some are more spikey, and then others were frosty like those there. I wanted to go deeper but this was under a glacier over a river that i could hear water rushing through. I went a couple feet deeper, heard cracking underneath and noped the fuck out.
>>65368676It's key word searching and at the same time paralell searching with AI because it cuts through idioms faster. Not anything special but the finds are cool. And with AI you have to ask it wierd ass questions to break it's own internal math.
Off topic but I found this vatnik's travel journal and whelp, it starts like this: "Johannesburg.1. Let's start with the conclusions.Apartheid was abolished in vain. And that's beyond any doubt!"https://tannen.livejournal.com/66587.html
I have one of these and the paperwork says 1984 Chernobyl #1, and yes I often hand it to people for the reaction.https://peguys.com/products/zirconium-nuclear-fuel-rod-tube-rare-nuclear-collectible
>>65368539What happen if i took a foam bath in it?
>>65369124There are good news and bad news. . .
>>65368575Mmm, hotsprings
>>65369124It would be extremely painful
>>65369433Skin melting death pool, yes. But also neat water slide?
>>65368371>oh also there's ghostsAlways been>a historian in charge of a small gulag museum and her son went to the Butugychag cemetery and they claim that there are "glowing balls" appearing on other photos directly above the graves of the inmates, stating she does not know what they are because there shouldn't be any reflections but people like to believe it's the liberated sous of the dead
>>65368575no its a complex optical effect formed in your brain by looking at the pic
>>65362740I've been looking into le-iran-cant-have-a-nuclear-weapon type stuff, which led me down the rabbit hole of the south African nuclear bomb program as one of the few other HEU-based programs and I was surprised to learn that not only did they eschewed their plutonium route (which the Iranians don't have BTW) for HEU for monetary reasons but also only produced massive gun-type nukes instead an implosion device like Pakistan.Why would they do that? Were the SAs just inept? Was the air force too in love with Canberra's delivering gravity bombs? Especially since they never anticipated actual combat use but strategic deterrence it seems a weird way to run a program. And let's not talk about the post-apartheid armed robberies.
>>65369691Just how many rads do these pools emit to glow so brightly?
>>65368544wh....what?
>>65368410>And also there is a Valley of Death.There are several Valleys of Death, the Chaunsky uranium mine in Chukotka also had one, among others, if i had to guess probably every gulag with a high prisoner burn rate and frozen/rocky terrain had one That said imagine describing the way to Butugychag someone>first you take the road of bones, named after all the dead workers, then through the valley of death, named after all the dead until you finally reach the valley of skulls >named so after all the dead?>no it looks like a skull>really?>no, it's always dead bodies
>>65371277Now, in comparison, how many other non-russian nuclear industries have a Valley of the Dead or Valley of Skulls, or a Road of Bones?>>65371215at least 20+ Sv/hr
>>65371384To be fair the "road of bones", (not to be confused with the "dead road" which is actually a railway) is not to blame on the nuclear program since they started it already in the thirties, the soviet union simply had so many cursed projects that en route to one you stumble upon another kekTha said the nuclear program seem to peak the charts later on regarding mortality, around the Chaunsky mine you had 2 other gulags with at least a shot at survival, to the point of some writers implying that the sky-high mortality there was not a bug but a feature, basically a death penalty of the slow and gruesome variety
>>65371215That's lighting and a filter, not cherenkov radiation. I wouldn't doubt that there's a relatively high concentration of uranium in those sumps, but nothing in that mine is enriched.
>>65371190>Why would they do that?The idea was that they had no friends and were surrounded by enemies, so if things get tense they could always reveal their nukes and say, "Hey, USA and UK, we're about to be invaded and oh BTW we have nukes. Are you SUUUUUUUUURE you don't want to help us out here?" And if that help wasn't forthcoming, they'd set one off underground. Then they might set one off in the ocean. Only then would they consider dropping one in combat.The warheads didn't need to be compact implosion types because they wouldn't be going far. What they needed to be was simple, which gun types are. As I understand it, they didn't even have neutron sources. This is basically garage tech, but they probably would have worked if needed.
