Why were the Romans so retarded? They really thought that the Persians would run out of arrows, so they deployed their men in the open to "soak up" all in incoming missiles?
Turns out when you have a doctrine thats worked well for generations on end its easy to fail to properly adapt to a well-supplied opponent using tactics you are unfamiliar with.
>>65366156If Lü Bu where up against the Persians, he would have offered up endless chinks to soak the arrows and the Persians would have actually run out. And then Lu Bu would had unlimited chinks and all the Persian's arrows.
>>65366156>>65366167I mean when you're talking about Carrhae specifically, you also need to keep in mind that Crassus was much less experienced in battle than most men of his age and command (his career had primarily been in business and politics) and he apparently had a habit of ignoring the advice of his senior officers.
>>65366156Dude if I was back in the Roman times all y'all would've been speaking Latin.
>They really thought that the Persians would run out of arrows, so they deployed their men in the open to "soak up" all in incoming missiles?
>>65366156>>65366225>huh random carrhae thread>oh it's just a setup for another shitskin seethe
>>65366225>get to watch Iran get turned into a parking lot and/or cardboard ayalollas>while Trump daily flips between "complete victory, all targets destroyed" and "we will keep bombing them until they stop firing ballistic missiles at us"-posting>Rubio squirming in the background, Hegseth doing his thing>The rest of the ME shitholes catching strays that blow up oil, gas and ships>somewhere, an indo-pacific factory runs out of feedstock and they have to start cracking their workers>all the while my oil stocks go zoom and my tanker-stocks are closing on above-300k rates10/10 war, would recommend to a friend
>>65366235That guy posted something I laughed at, you're the seething shitskin
>>65366225Let's see how you goat fuckers handle the king of drones.
>>65366257>oil transport between two sanctioned shitholesWho's selling to who here?
>>65366235Cry more crybaby, it's not that serious
>>65366156Was Crassus a noted merchant?
>>65366257This seems like one of those doors that would be better left closed
>>65366275>>65366225>>65366190>Marcus Licinius Crassus was a famous Roman general and politician known for building his immense wealth through a ruthless real estate empire. Wait a moment...
>>65366256>n-no kaffir you're the shitskin not me!
>>65366294They killed Crassus by making him drink molten gold.And the Spartans became Persia's goons in Greece.
>>65366294>>65366337Its a bit on the nose, wouldn't you say?
>>65366156>so they deployed their men in the openas opposed to what? take cover in the nonexistent lush forests?
>>65366398Crassus literally ordered his legions to deploy in a square formation in testudo formation in the open to soak up the incoming arrows, thinking that once the Persians ran out they could then order his legions to attack. They never ran out of arrows...
>>65366844>in the openagain, as opposed to what? the entire fucking area is "in the open"
>>65366849As opposed to building actual fortifications and accepting the 16k cavalry that the Armenian king offered Crassus for the Parthian campaign
>>65366257>Iran threatening to strike UkraineDo it, that would probably unfuck everything if the turdies can give a clear line to helping Ukraine = hurting Iran.
>>65366398the smart move would have been not to follow and army of horsemen into the desert on footbut if Crassus had been smart, the entire campaign would probably never have happened in the first place
>>65366260Iran selling oil to Russia, who probably just sell it on to China.
>>65366156>win one single battle against Crassus>get your capital sacked and people enslaved 5 times in the coming centuries>duuuuude we totally owned those Romans
>>65366257You think Trump will finally realize that Ukrainians are the natural allies of the US for this kind of buillshit war?
>>65366235>I-I'm not seething! You're seething!
>>65366932People are focusing on Crassus and the Persians and as an allegory to the current conflict and forget about the rest of the situation. Iran could be in rubble and Trump could be lynched in the White House by pissed off elites and America will still exist and will rape another third world shithole in the future after Iran.
>>65366156I'm going to point out that Ctesiphon fell to the Romans on several occasions.
>>65366190What are you talking about he was the guy who got spartacus. Pompey was the faggot retard
>>65368750Yes, Crassus' greatest military achievement was subduing a gang of uppity gladiators turned brigands who were fighters to be reckoned with but were ultimately trained as performers and had no notable experience with military tactics at a small or large scale. Putting Spartacus and his band down was a feat in of it's own but it's really not in the same league as waging war against other organized militaries with their own logistics and economies behind them.
>>65366156Because Crassus had been a money man his entire life, had put down one slave rebellion one time, and was old and demanding a military campaign so he could get glory like Pompey had. He was unfit for the post, it happens. He was also cruel and had a bad temper, and ignored all of the strategic advice offered by his officers and the King of Armenia, who offered him supplies and troops if he met up with him instead of just following paid guides (paid by the Persians) into the desert to lead them away from all the water.
>>65368750Pompey was actually an effective general with a list of conquests, including most of the formerly Roman parts of the Middle East. Yes, he conquered the jews. >>65367825>>65366235It's one autistic shitskin who heard about Carrhae recently and is convinced it applies to the US bombing Iran somehow. Ironically he has it backwards since the big thirdie cope is "the US will run out of missiles if we just endure it". >>65367204Why do you think he gave them permission to actually hit Russia instead of just using the war as an excuse to funnel aid money into his own pocket like Biden? Because he already knows that. Politically it's an awkward dance where he has to avoid looking like the US will always solve Europe's problems since he's campaigned on making Europe take its own defense seriously, while quadrupling down on more direct help. This includes intelligence and targeting, as well as letting the various interested parties help pay for US military gear sent to Ukraine and showing them how to build Patriots. I'd prefer just nuking Moscow and writing a funny tweet about how now they're high energy, but if the US did that realistically we would be responsible for the victory, not Ukraine, denying them a strong national post-war identity and origin story and coming across as just another imperialist.
>>65368926>Politically it's an awkward dance where he has to avoid looking like the US will always solve Europe's problems since he's campaigned on making Europe take its own defense seriously, while quadrupling down on more direct help.Choosing between ideological purity and practicality, or how to pick the second without losing the first, is always the hardest part of geopolitics.
>>65366225Crassus only lost 18 men and was concerned about civilian collateral damage?>filename ends in mNow it makes sense.
>>65368926>funnel aid money into his own pocket like Biden?
>>65369403>Crassus only lost 18 menAnon, he lost a whole legion including its eagle standrad.
>>65369424I think he's making the comparison that so far only 14 +4 americans have died in the Israel-Iran war
>absurdly wealthy real estate tycoon >buys his way into power>markets himself to the plebs as being "not like those skeevy career politicians" while actually being worse>takes down an untrained and poorly armed force quickly and thinks hes a military genius for it>alienates his followers and the empire's former allies>wants to invade Persia>ignores or fires all of his military advisors who tell him his plans are retarded>rushes the invasion so he doesnt get any help from his allies>attacks Persia with a massively undersized force, thinking the battle to be quick and easy because he expects the Persians to run out of ammo, they dont and it instead turns into an absolute shitshow and international embarrassment Jesus christ maybe history really is cyclical
>>65368926Trumps reasons for doing a 180 and supporting Ukraine again arent nearly that complicated, he just got his feelings hurt by Putin when he failed to end the war overnight after the election like he promised
>>65370098>got his feelings hurt>Muh feelingsReally? what kind of leader dictate his action by his feeling.
>>65366156There really wasn't a better option. The Persians had horse archers so whenever the Romans tried to advance the Persians would just ride out of range and keep shooting. On the other hand, Testudo formation was pretty close to arrow proof so Crassus gambled that the Persians would run out of arrows before he ran out of men. Of course, what Crassus should have done is to pack enough field artillery to harass Persian horse archers. Alas, he did not.
>>65370103Sorry I don't give sincere responses to people who speak worse English than American toddlers.
People seriously think trump had a plan with Iran????
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Cilician_GatesSteppe niggers would literaly run up a slope with horse archers though
>>65370112had?yesone that could have worked?I honnestly do not knowone that would have made things better than they where before he implemented his plan?fuck no
>>65366156>>65366167Crassus was mostly an incompetent commander. Romans had no problems stomping Parthian armies in any of the following wars.
>>65370093did the romans also have a jewish pedophile cabal backing his rivalwho am I kidding, they're roman, kid diddling was legal, it was probably a cannibal cabal
>>65370093It does tend to echo although not precisely>Soviets in Afghanistan>Napoleon in Russia>Syracuse Expedition>Battle of Teutoburg Forrest>Battle of Hattin>Battle of Tsushima. etc. etc. etc.
I'm amused that critics of the US have always followed the exact same script my entire life. I think these guys haven't learned from history.
>>65366257Is the EU finally gonna realise that; hurting Iran= helping Ukraine
>>65370167no one is disputing thatit's just that not hurting Iran = helping Ukraine morejust imagine what a quarter of the munitions expended on Iran would have done to Russia in Ukrainian hands
>>65366156That's not what happened. Crassus was a retard who matched along a bad route and got CAUGHT in the open. Romans fought Persians by doing fun things like seizing hills with heavy Infantry and slingers, and then shooting them if they didn't run off.
>>65370122The Romans and Persians remained fighting off and on for the next 600 years, trading victory and defeat constantly. They certainly didn't "stomp" anything decisive enough to secure any sort of lasting victory.
>>65366156It worked against most enemies, because most people deploying horse archers didn't have supply trains bringing more arrows to the battlefield.
>>65370314Anon, one party had their summer capital sacked multiple times and was facing an existential threat.The other had an annoying neighbor they didn't feel was quite worth the effort to conquer and occasionally lost battles. Yes, Rome absolutely stomped the parthians. The sassanids less so, but they still pushed them into a death spiral in the end.
>>65370330>Anon, one party had their summer capital sacked multiple times and was facing an existential threat.'summer capital' means not the capital. Rome never came even close to an existential threat, meanwhile goat raping Arabs managed to do the job.>The sassanids less so, but they still pushed them into a death spiral in the end.And pushed the Romans into their own death spiral. Don't forget that.
>>65370338The Romans beat the Arabs lole
>>65366225Underrated post, that's exactly how you fake "organic" posting, and prevent your propaganda from being removed immediately.That said Donald is still an overconfident idiot.
>>65370338>Death spiralExcept the eastern empire carried on for centuries. The Persians fell into civil war and got conquered within decades. So no>Not the capitalExcept it is. Hence the title.
>>65370288We are not obliged to aid the US in their military adventurism.
>>65370351Tbh I am the guy who posted the pic and I'm not OP, I just couldn't pass it up.
>>65368926>Why do you think he gave them permission to actually hit RussiaDid he? It looks more by trying to fuck them over and force them into a peace treaty (a terrible one that would have ended their souvereignty) he accidentally gave up the leverage he had over them.
>>65370408the excuse given for tacitly permitting a terrorist state to acquire nuclear weapons
>>65366156Reminds me that every time Nate in GK said "I am assured of this" he was wrong and command did something retarded again.
>>65366337crassus was dead and they just abused his corpse. it was a praetor who had invaded the mithridatic kingdom (kind of modern turkey) a few years earlier that was forced to drink molten gold
>>65370112Same plan as Venezuela, yes.
>>65366398back then the sahara was still green, everything north of the alps was a giant glacier, europe was colder and wetter, so turkey probably looked more like germany or sweden today.
>>65370105>what Crassus should have done is to pack enough field artillery to harass Persian horse archers.what the fuck is ancient "field artillery"? horse archers, before the invention of firearms, are invincible in the field. i dont think some siege catapult or some ballista could stop them.
>>65370540Who, Israel?
>>65370766>what the fuck is ancient "field artillery"?Memes for historically illiterate created by Hollywood and Total War games.
>>65370103Bad ones. That’s the point, nitwit.
>>65370766>>65370105Crassus was literally offered 16k heavy cavalry and 30k infantry from the Armenian King, but he refused that help. That cavalry would have been key for dealing with horse archers.
>>65370835Would have helped if they didn't commit the most common calvalry flaw. Never give chase when the horse archers skedaddle.
>>65370766That anon is retarded but so are you. >Muh invincible horse archersAnon the parthians had a habit of losing wars against Rome. Alexander beat the piss out of steppe nomads. Horse archers are only a problem for people who have never encountered them, or who are dealing with major internal turmoil disrupting their ability to make war.
>>65368896Wasn’t Spartacus a legionnaire supposedly?
>>65370961(NTA) who Spartacus was is irrelevant. There were probably a number of legionaries in his forces. That doesn't change the fact that, on the whole, they were a bunch of undisciplined criminals, slaves, and war captives, many of whom couldn't even speak the same language let alone coordinate strategy and tactics. It was basically a peasant revolt except every peasant is a bloodthirsty maniac roid rager.
>>65370890People meme horse archers because of Atilla, but the Huns never got to Rome, it was the German tribes flooding into Roman lands and overwhelming the Roman system that lead of Western Rome Collapsing into kingdoms. Even Huns/Mongols in Eastern Europe were handled by wagon forts and if they got to western Europe they'd be totally rekt by Western European attritional siege warfare and the lack of open spaces to easily maneuver huge columns of cavalry. Even China figured out a big fucking wall one shots horse archer spam.
>>65371043>Huns never got to RomeI think pope leo would disagree with this
>>65369422Biden conditioned aid money to Ukraine on his son not being investigated, his son who was sitting on the board of a company that receives US tax dollar "investment", with paperwork detailing that 50% of what Hunter got from it went to his dad. I'm guessing the details of that whole embarrassing shitshow didn't reach Europe, but really the only unique thing about it was how blatant it was. Apparently one of Mitt Romney's nephews and some younger relative of Nancy Pelosi were doing the same thing, it's a common scam with US politicians to plonk a useless relative down in some country they vote to send money to in exchange for part of it being diverted to them.
>>65370093Trump's arc much more closely mirrors Caesar, in part because he's actually winning both of the wars the US is involved with.>>65370098>>65370783>>>/pol/
>>65370123No, but Caesar, a much better Trump analogue, did because one of Pompey's power bases when the two of them squared off was Israel.
>>65370302Part of the reason for this was that Crassus was what we would call a mobster today, who made a lot of his money using the same tactics they did. A favorite one was to set houses on fire or at least wait for them to catch flame, show up with a mob of "firefighters" and offer to put the blaze out if the owner sold the property to him for a pittance. If they refused he would make sure the whole thing burned to the ground and they got nothing. These tactics work great in Rome where you and your thugs don't have meaningful opposition, not so well when dealing with people far from there who aren't afraid of you.
>>65370462You're retarded.
>>65371379No, it's a longterm zigger tactic to simultaneously LARP as Americans who "don't see why we should be spending money on ungrateful Ukraine" and as arrogant Europeans who whine that no matter what America does, it isn't enough. Basic information warfare.
>>65366276Yes, if you live between them this is a double plus ungood idea.
>>65366257We have the best proxies, folks.
>>65370186>not hurting Iran = helping Ukraine moreAh yes not hurting the country helping Russia with its fuel crisis definitely doesn't benefit Ukraine despite the fact that Iran was partners with Russia this entire time. Also what fucking munitions did the EU send to Iran?
>>65371436If Iran has been helping Russian this whole time, why hasn't Israel sent any meaningful support to Ukraine all this time?
>>65371751>Israel supporting anyone but themselves, even indirectlyLOL
>>65368926>I'd prefer just nuking Moscow and writing a funny tweet about how now they're high energyyou got a chuckle out of me with this one
>>65370540Saudi Arabia?
>>65370350The arabs beat the sass asses and the romans though?
>>65371364>WinningStrait status?
>>65372476This thirdie is seething in multiple threads spamming about “le straights” again.Strange how iran continues to lose despite you frantically and desperately spamming>s-strait statuseverywhere.
>>65372480That logistics warehouse Ukraine hit tonight must have had iskanders or something in it to rile the turdies up like this
>>65366156>why were the romanscorrection, why was crassus so retarded
>>65371061He turned them back in northern Italy
>>65372507How's odessa port doing anon? and dont forget that little tiny bitsy military exhibition, have you found all the missing body part yet?
>>65372480>war goal explicitly stated to be regime change and later backed down to opening the strait of hormuz>neither one achievedwhat a brave and stunning victory my fellow MAGAxister
>>65372736>Winning so hard Ukraine is now considering striking you because you're being such an obnoxious faggot about Russian ships
>>65368926You're essentially a shitskin yourself, just very pale. Same level of abject retardation.
>>65372834.t buttblasted shitskin
>>65372720>How's odessa port doing anon?Better than gaza by the looks.
>>65366844As another anon has pointed out, Crassus had zero military experience besides putting down a slave insurrection. He was infamous for gaining his wealth from starting a private firefighting brigade that intentionally started fires, coerced homeowners to sell the property to Crassus in exchange for getting to keep their belongings.He likely assumed that the missile volleys were a skirmish tactic as prelude to conventional hand to hand combat which was a very basic principle of ancient warfare. Because he had no real military insight, he assumed the Persians would end the skirmish phase eventually and couldn't foresee that it was their entire strategy.
>>65373062>He was infamous for gaining his wealth from starting a private firefighting brigade that intentionally started fires, coerced homeowners to sell the property to Crassus in exchange for getting to keep their belongings.Ngl, you got to respect the hustle
>>65370766>>65370766Ballista absolutely could kill them. Horses were big targets and Ballistae had a lot of range.
>>65366276Iran seems to be taking the bait.
>>65373506Well if the renown "World Source News 24" is reporting it...
>>65370167>>65370186Who gives a fuck about helping Ukraine? Do they have no self respect. Hurting Iran helps Europe because they're the ones being hurt by the blockade. Helping Cuckraine is irrelevant in this
>>65367204I'm sure Trump knocking down Syria, Venezuela, Iran, and soon Cuba has nothing to do with Ukraine's adversaries in Russia and China. they are just coincidences, really.
>>65373728>Hurting IranThe US is getting hurt much more tough. Iranians are used to hardship; US citizens, on the other hand...
>>65375446But are you used to famine?
>>65371436or you could have used the same munitions and hurt russia directlywhat do you think is more effective, hurting the russians directly or by proxy?>>65373728>Who gives a fuck about helping Ukraine?pretty much the entire first world >Hurting Iran helps Europehow? before the war started the oil was flowing without any issues.asside from that gulf oil makes up less than 4% of the EU's imported oil but it's 70% for both South Korea and Japan. so why aren't you directing your shilling at them?>Helping Cuckraine is irrelevant in thisUkraine is a war of aggression being waged in Europe in a country right next to the EUthe blockade adds a few cents to the cost of petrol. if those cost get to high than they can stabilize them simply by lowering taxes.>>65375492famine is for thurdies like you, the first world will simply have to pay more to buy up the remaining food supplies.
>>65370123Did the crassus also have insane chud virgin groupies that would look the othe way when he raped kids and accuse the other side of it ?
>>65371359Is it a common us practice to steal then sell state secrets to the highest bidder, like Trump did ???
>>6536615690% of the time, they do run out of arrows.Crassus was very unlucky to have to deal with Surena, who set up a very unusual for the time level of logistics before engaging.Note that the Persian king didn't expect Surena to win, either. Only to delay Crassus.Then Surena's skills made him execute Surena in fear of a coup, and the next time Rome and Parthia fought, Rome BTFO Parthia while having a civil war at the same time.Crassus was an unfortunate case of a perfectly ordinary general (he did fight competently under Sulla and against Spartacus) running head first into an organisational genius.
>>65372720>he’s screeching about minor damage to a ukranian port in every thread while russia’s entire riverine tanker fleet just got murked.LOL zigger.
>>65368926>Why do you think he gave them permission to actually hit Russia instead of just using the war as an excuse to funnel aid money into his own pocket like Biden? huh? i was under the impression that the US not permitting striking russian targets was one of the conditions the biden admin set for military aid. and then trump admin got rid of said aid and so went that condition as well>>65370098>>65371364i think people make the mistake of looking at trump's actions like he's a rational and measured actor. i really don't think he is. he's a drug-addled octogenarian who dozes off mid meeting. sometimes they pump him full of amphetamines (like they did with biden) and he has a burst of energy, but all he really does is flail around trying to quickly settle deals and other shit like that, but it's mostly inconsequential or half-wrought because it doesn't involve any long term planning. most of the time when he's prompted to do something, it's like he's just awoken from his stupor and can barely think, and his words and actions reflect that
>>65375590Iran is not a first-world country, dumbass.
>>65375873>I claimed Iran cares about Ukrainelol, lmao even
>>65375894>lmaoI accept your concession, turdskin.
>>65369487>america being Israeli meat shields If that is the case Israel REALLY needs to get a AIPAC refund, because over 2000 Israelis have died so far and missiles still hit Israel.
>>65375688No, but the Democrats do.
>>65375696You mean Biden?
>>65375860>third world screeching Easy to spot.
