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>>65367886
I've yet to see an actual argument in support of short-barrel .308s. Like why would you go for that over a smaller caliber if you're sacrificing so much barrel length?
>>65367906valid counterpointbut its so ugly :(
I like my 16" FAL, I feel like going shorter defeats the point of the caliber.
>>65367886WHAT?
>>65367886put a can on it
>>65367919>fuckton of energy>small packageapparently the mexicans like it because it lets them shred cartels in vehicles>>65367923velocity is still high on smaller barrels
>>65367920?
>>65367919you can slap a suppressor on it and it's still a manageable length while still blasting shit and maintain decent ballistics at range?that's my thought anyway
>>65367938True but we start getting into AKM with more recoil territory at some of the short barrels that are out there.
>>65367923They should make a 26" fal
>>65367919Zero reason for them ever to have existed.Except as pointed out for retard civilians that want an unmanageable blaster or carter hits that want maximum less-than-5-meter-distance full automatic inter-vehicle shredding.They're dumb. (instead) Use a grenade launcher. Or something.video game comic book guns
>>65368001>cartercartel*
>>6536799621 already feels like a musket, now we're going into literal musketoon barrel length territory.
Is it impractical? Yes but it has the smelly stock. Please send one asap.
>>65368014Good
>>65367919its probably a hell of a lot of fun to shootmy friend has both an m44 and an m91/30, and the m44 is more of a flamethrower than a riflei can just imagine how ridiculous a short barreled FAL or g3 with a muzzle brake would be on full auto
>>6536801421 inch is just a normal rifle length Still shorter than most hunting rifles which are 22 or 24I think a 26 inch is a good compromise between squeezing out the most velocity and not being 34 inches or something where you start losing velocity from friction
>>65368014Only people who have never handled a musket say that shit
>>65368498>shorter than most hunting riflesIn barrel length, yes.In overall length, not so much. Hunting bolt rifles have noticeably shorter actions.
SLR
>>65368526The FAL with the long l1a1 flash hider is the same length as a model 70 standard rifle. If you have the shorter one or an Israeli with plain muzzle it is 2-3 inches shorter than an m70
>>65367919>FR Ordnance MC51 Machine Carbine: Produced by the United Kingdom firm FR Ordnance International Ltd. The MC51 weighs 3.1 kg (6.8 lb), has a folded overall length of 625 mm (24.6 in), a barrel length of only 230 mm (9.1 in), which produces a muzzle velocity of approx. 690 m/s (2,263.8 ft/s) and a muzzle energy of 2215 J>These are HK G3 rifles shortend down in barrel length considerably!It was designed as a short, highly manuverable rifle with good effect on Ballistic armourSomewhat interesting read: https://web.archive.org/web/20211205012017/https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2019/05/29/potd-heckler-koch-mc51/Obviously, the one in the pic has been fucked with relative to what the SAS and SBS would have had delivered 30 or 40 years ago.
>>65368551Not armor, sedans. Terrorists wearing body armor wasn't a serious concern at the time. The det were plainclothes spooks, both ambushing vehicles and being ambushed by vehicles in return, and they felt their HK53s weren't that effective against engine blocks and the G3s they had were far too long to hide under a coat or in a footwell. So they commissioned a middle ground.
>>65368734I feel like CCing any mag-fed .308 might be a tad difficult
>>65367886I want one in 8.6
>>65368001>Zero reason for them ever to have existed.they're special-purpose weapons for countries that want short rifles but don't want to procure another whole logistics chain. usually used as PDWs by artillery or vehicle crewsthey make perfect sense
>>65371016manlet detected
>>65371421It especially makes sense for arty guys, their ears are already gone anyways.
>>65372046kek>>65371421>vehicle crewsThey don't need a .308 SBRa 5.56 / 5.45 will do
>>65367919Every reply to this is retarded. It’s easy to lookup .308/7.62 nato does fine down to 13 inches
>>65372957>They don't need a .308 SBR>a 5.56 / 5.45 will dodid you even read the post
>>65367886I wanted one of these but DSA seems to only make small runs of them. Their quadrail handguard is also out of spec and doesn’t hold zero. Their new Mlok handguard is superior, but it’s also perpetually OoS along with their modern buttstock. I’ll probably just buy one of their 16” para carbines instead.>>65368498Those atrociously long barrels are holdovers from the days before magnified optics where longer sight radius = more accurate rifle. As optics have gotten better, barrels have gotten shorter.
>>65373211>derp brainletDid (You)? Here is the chain:#65368001>short-barrel .308s>Zero reason for them ever to have existed#65371421>they make perfect sense for vehicle crews that want short rifles#65372957>They don't need a .308 SBR>5.56 / 5.45 will do
>>65373826>for countries that want short rifles but don't want to procure another whole logistics chain>for countries that want short rifles but don't want to procure another whole logistics chain>for countries that want short rifles but don't want to procure another whole logistics chainfucking retard
>>65373843>muh derp """"""logistics"""""" <----FUCK TARDED FUCK TARD DERP WAD BRAINLET *****FUCKTARD***** Nobody fucking cares,*AND* all armies globally already have scads of both 5.56 and 5.45 <---that are far more widely used than .30818 is the minimum age to upload on this website
>>65373872>I can't read and I'm going to make it everyone else's problemjust slow down and focus on reading comprehension next time lil buddy. we'll get there together
>>65373872are you european or just retarded?
>>65373913>>65374736>illiterate ESL unwhites malding after total btfo
