FB had a deal with Arms of America already in 2023. I wonder what took so long?Another question - does anyone here have experience with Arms of America? Are they kewl? Google tells me they're "the premier AK importer" and I can't find anything else about them. They don't look like a big companyPrice is looking to be around $2,000 but since you can buy the 3 modules that turn the rifle into a bullpup for a couple hundred bucks, you end up with a sorta 2-in-1 deal. That's probably the coolest feature. Will you buy?Sales begin next month BTW!>https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/msbs-grot-pistol-cleared-for-u-s-sale-by-atf-44824600https://geekweek.interia.pl/militaria/news-polska-bron-z-radomia-podbija-usa-najwiekszy-rynek-militario,nId,23516124
Why do I care about that? I live in England.
we've all seen the news, you can stop shilling
>>65368757u mad bro?
Buy an ad
>>65368764>deflectingso you really are a shill, got it.
>>65368746Shalom AoAAre you going to price this one at 3000 shekels too?
>>65368746Euros and war tourists shitting on this thread because they'll never get to take a picture with a gun, let alone own one.
>>65368746Ok, but will the trigger kicker work for it?
Manufacturer's Suggested Betail Srice
>>65368777>Price is looking to be around $2,000 but since you can buy the 3 modules that turn the rifle into a bullpup for a couple hundred bucks, you end up with a sorta 2-in-1 deal.
You already made this thread like twice already
>>65368746Is Daniel Wilk related to that retard, Remigiusz?
>>65368746MS BS =Microsoft Bullshit
>>65368746They did so poorly in Ukraine that I’m not interested. Right off the back I dislike the charging handle location and left side mag release
>>65368746I don't give a fuck about this polish screwbuild shitbox. Stop shilling it here, that's not how gun sales work you dipshit
>>65370056We don't care either , otherwise we'd prioritise Murrica before selling it to Africa and Ukraine > USA 100 lat za murzynami
>>65370075they've been trying to sell it to Americans since 2015 which is actually before it's official adoption. if FB Radom had their way, Americans would have had it first. now fuck off, namefag.
>65370075Crimea river, anon
>>65370146>can't even link the right postthis is the type of retardation I expect from a namefag.
>65370154You seem upset
>>65370155is that projection I see?
>>65370104And now they’re selling us the first generation models when they’re on Gen 3 and FB Radom knows full well that Gen 1 is unreliable. FB Radom doesn’t care about us lol
>>65370183it's probably going to be the A2 version since they're already making those for the civilian market
>>65369982At that price, there’s really no reason to buy it. If someone wants a modern military bullpup, the VHS-2 (i refuse to call it by its Springfield slave name) is 200 dollars cheaper and has a far better track record for reliability than the MSBS. If someone only wants the conventional version and they’re already willing to spend that much, they could just get a Bren 2 for 500 more
>>65368746Can an frt be installed in it?
>65370170No, it's Jarek
>>65370230ah yes, instead of getting a 2-in-1 deal for 2k and some, they can buy 2 guns for over 4k in total>tfw to inteligent
>>65370029>They did so poorly in Ukraine that I’m not interested.lol theyre still used in Ukraine by all the forces therelook how much use this one has seen, pic from 2025:
>>65370029I don't even like the Grot and even I know you're retarded for trying to make this argument
>>65368746>@Grot, is this real
>>65368746Is that a paddle mag release? That's unironically interesting. I can see they also protected the bolt catch.Rest is probably just another ACR clone. But after the multiple reports of serious issues with the first patterns, I wouldn't buy one without battle reports saying that the latest versions are fine (which has a pretty high chance of being true though).The bullpup kit might be interesting for a hobbyist, but frankly, it's a novelty. If you're serious about shooting, you're not going to switch between bullpup and normal configuration on a whim. Does the polish army even make use of the bullpup configuration?
>>65370492This scenario is positing that the buyer would be purchasing one actually good gun instead of a two in one shitter. Would you rather have a combat knife or one of those tactical sporks?
>>65368756Why are you on /k/?
>>65370928dont reply to me you backpedaling retard
>>65373030I accept your concession
>>65373044yes, i concede that you're a backpedaling retard who lost, thus is backpedaling.
>>65373047Except I never addressed the 2 in 1 feature in my original argument. If you actually read it, you would see that I was comparing both individual configurations of the grot to a reasonable competitor for that specific configuration. I never implied that the consumer should buy both. How can I baxkpedal on a position I never held?
>>65370492ESL retard. Range ban all yuroniggers from this board immediately
>>65370492> 2-in-1 dealIs if though? From the OP image, it appears that the serialized part on the MSBS is the lower. This would mean that buying the bullpup kit would involve going through a second transfer process, which very few people actually do. We can already see this with the PSA JAKL/Olcan. The vast majority of the platform’s owners either run a dedicated JAKL or a dedicated Olcan and never attempt to swap between the two. Plus, that’s on a platform that’s significantly cheaper than the MSBS. Hell, even with that bullpup kit for the BRN-180 that makes it look like an L85, nobody ever takes the BRN-180 upper off and puts it on a standard AR-15 lower, even though it is compatible and they’re pretty much guaranteed to own one.
>>65373094>tfw to inteligent
>>65373122here's a post from March 2023 that i saved>MSBS Grot is famous for also coming in bullpup format and for the ability to convert the standard rifle into it in just a few minutes. This is a revolutionary level of modularity, and of course it comes with the regular features of modularity such as different calibers.>Even the bullpup alone is the single best bullpup ever produced: best balance, best trigger, best recoil, best ergos, very accurate>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsSgEQpCy00&t=1566s [Embed]>Last few minutes of the vid show the conversion process. You swap 3 modules for 3. Designed so that you can buy the modules themselves without a specific license/promise, off the shelf, OTC. So for just a few hundred additional bucks you basically get 2 rifles in 1
>>65374086>inteligent
>>65370230>If someone wants a modern military bullpup, the VHS-2Fyi the 20" Hellion is on sale everywhere right now for $1200-$1400 this month. Finally jumped on it. It looks fat and weird in pictures but I was surprised at how narrow and compact it feels irl. It is heavy as fuck, though.
>>65374447My 16” doesn’t feel like it’s too terribly heavy. Maybe it’s the barrel messing with the balance or something
>>65374408>took the same bait twice
>>65374092>doesn't answer his question>video is unavailablethanks, dude
>>65374522>I was only pretending to be retardedkys at my earliest convenience
>>65374584and you don't even have to pretend my guy
>>65374530it does answer his doubts. the MSBS Grot doesn't come with a "bullpup conversion kit" it comes with a standalone bullpup version and a standard configuration, and theyre interchangeable thanks to a revolutionary degree of modularity. bullpup conversion kits per se are just scams and pretty cumbersome. some retard wrote above ITT that its a "screwbuild shitbox" but its thanks to these couple of screws that the conversion is so simple and fast, and its still sturdy.furthermore, all the pseudo-bullpups like he mentioned are long af, theyre just cosmetic autistic gimmicks. this isn't a gimmick, it's a proper 14.5" bullpup that could be fitted to mobile units for example tankmen
>>65376131you're being autistic about wordingcheck out how the bullpup Grot looksi think its pretty fucking neat
>>65375842Not only did you not answer my question again, but you are also wrong. I tracked down a Polish language video (https://youtu.be/xU2NLLAiLoE [Open]) and it shows that FB Radom straight up calls their conversion kit a “bullpup conversion set”. It also requires a new lower receiver, meaning two transfers for the same gun, and it is harder to install than both the previously mentioned PSA Olcan and AKB-23 (BRN-180 kit). Conclusion? Only a few people will buy it, and even fewer people will actually run it.Arms of America should transfer you to the “restocking the “””last””” shipment of beryls for the 27th time” department. Hopefully you’re better at that than shilling.
>>65376139Sorry to say, it’s 0 for 3
>>65376139dude i’ve seen bubba jobs that look better than that
