What are some good books to learn about military discipline, language, tract, and tradition? Doesn't matter if they're English or from other European countries. It really bothers me how contemporary western writers seem to be incapable of portraying these aspects in their own fiction, everyone acts like a dudebro teenager or some uncultured bum which seem completely at odds with the reality of personnel I met over the years.
>>65370165It's bollywood and anime that caused this. I won't suggest any particular novels but books written by Submarine Captains have always captured my interest. They are incredibly professional given the disgusting living conditions.
>>65370165> everyone acts like a dudebro teenagerBecause most of them ARE dudebro teenagers or dudebro twenty-something’s.
It's cultural incest. writers et al are increasingly removed from reality>1st generation of filmmakers were visionaries and weirdos and veterans of real life>2nd generation of filmmakers were similar but now also inspired by their predecessors >decades pass>current generation of filmmakers are people who grew up on films, learned everything they know from film culture, and are now making more films through increasingly distorted lenses with little influence from reality
>>65370201True, it's a problem even in Star Wars. Originals were inspired by Kurosawa, samurais, WW2 aerial combat footage and a bunch more. Sequels had other sources of inspiration, so they feel different, but not necessarily worse depending on your preferences.Then sequels, that were mostly inspired by other Star Wars media, which is why they look alright, but feel so hollow and washed out, like fanfiction.I imagine it's the same for war movies.
>>65370227Prequels had other sources of inspiration*
>>65370165Show based on a bookI assume the book was good too
>>65370201That's an argument I've been using for over 20 years, though I've primarily used it to describe fantasy and anime.It used to be good or decent, because it was written by people with real life experiences, and who also had specific knowledge in certain fields (Tolkien being a history and language professor who fought in WW1), but most of the shit we get today is several generations removed from reality, with authors basing their stories on fiction based on fiction based on fiction, etc.Another major problem is the cultural shift to the left, and most people growing up spoiled, with childish, superficial, feminine values.I suppose the irony here is that I actually miss the dudebro trope, because today we're only left with the radfem version of that, where everything is essentially the opposite of reality, rather than an exaggeration of a real life stereotype or phenomenon.
>>65370241It was. The show actually had to be toned down in some parts because they felt like it wouldn’t be believable.
>>65370165>Halo games post Halo Reach
>>65370165The ODSTs are Space SAS, they're not exactly known for having amazing discipline.
>>65370265>Halo Reach is the last good Halo
>>65370271compared to the last 16 years, yes
>>65370269ODST glaze is horrendously gaythey're more like space SEALs, where one of their two known deployments resulted in all of them dying almost immediately, yet they won't shut the fuck up about how cool they areit's absolutely retarded that an 8ft tall half-ton supersoldier walks in and your reaction is>"haha what's up bitch nigga? i bet you're gay, fuck you, eat shit.
Reminder jews are to blame fpr this
>>65370265There was never a good Halo, faggot. There's a reason it was known as babby's first fps up until the 2010s.
>>65370165the death of male relationships, rot of modernity, and consequential siloing and isolation of professions caused thiswriters are typically feminized men in the sense that they've never been through traumatic situations, live somewhat pampered lives, don't have strong relationships with other men, and consider what defines them as what they think are rather than what they do or who they areif you're lacking the shared experiences that tie a lot of men together culturally, you'll never be able to write itlike a foundational experience for a lot of men is getting really hurt in a way that you know is an actual problem, in front of other men and knowing you have to just suck it up. like sending a brad through your hand from a nailgun but knowing you can't freak out so you swallow the abject panic and yank the nail and calmly walk into another room to lose your shit privately. You can't write that kind of complex interaction without having had it
>>65370290nah
>>65370293browncoded post
>>65370315>Someone doesn't like my videogame>THEY MUST BE BROWN!Is this some actual kneejerk mental illness when this becomes a goto response to different tastes in consumerism?
>>65370320So what kind of brown are you? Sea monkey?
>>65370320You didn't say you didn't like it, you said it was objectively bad. Now you're trying to weasel out by switching to subjectivity.
>>65370352NTA
>>65370360That's even worse. You're not even paying attention to the situation you're jumping into lmao. What a brown retard you are.
>>65370201>writers et al are increasingly removed from reality>>65370243>cultural shift to the left, and most people growing up spoiled, with childish, superficial, feminine values./thread
>>65370271Reach have us absolutely redonkulous femSpartan ass, so it can stay.
>>65370241Good series if you want to start hating americans.
>>65370243>>65370227I believe this effect is huge in education, and can go far to explain a lot of problems in schoolsthe average school teacher has never existed outside of an educational institution. they're raised in school, go to college, and then turn around and immediately return to school to begin teaching. For worldly experience, at best, they have experience in some unrelated part-time job or they briefly smoked weed in college. Whatever signal school perpetuates gets endlessly strengthened by the feedback loop of teachers directly rearing the next generation of teachers.
>>65370315PC master race coded post, rather. Halo has always been a mediocre fps lauded by console peasants.
>>65370436>"The graphics in Halo are the best in the world: you can shoot a gun, and then look down, and all the bullet shells are there on the ground"average schoolbus conversation circa 2002
>>65370201I agree with your premise and think this is largely what results in the self referential irony writing we get nowadays, otherwise known as millennial writing. The reason being that since a lot of these younger writers haven't experienced anything in life other than trying to be a writer, they get trapped in changing tides of their own thoughts and have no basis on reality to anchor them in what they are writing, so naturally because they are only thinking about their own thoughts, they write in an ironic self referential way that's super annoying over time. Unfortunately I don't think there is an easy cure for this as I think to get people who have real experiences and creativity to actually start writing again you need a more gentle society where it's easier to be economically well off, or at least have the collective stress of financially keeping your head above water to be substantially less so that these people have the free time to organically take up something like writing. Alas, in the age of the arrested development adult, that is not possible
>>65370315actually this. The huge majority of the Halo playerbase was America and the UK. Shouldn't be surprising since, ya know, 99% of brownoid posters from South America, India, etc. didn't even have internet access let alone access to Xboxs.
>>65370293it's only undeniably the best scifi shooter trilogy of all time. Contrarian fag.
>>65370417i hate Halo 5 with a passion... butt...
>>65370436literally the only people who said this shit were people with no Xbox that played Quake 3
>>65370424
>>65370575>it's only undeniably the best scifi shooter trilogy of all timeI deny it. Halo was a boring corridor shooter with some good parts and the rest of the franchise goes downhill fast>Half Life>Half Life: Blue Shift>Half Life: Opposing Force>Half Life 2>Half Life 2 ep1>Half Life 2 ep2>Dead Space>Mass EffectI'd rather play any of these than play through Halo again
>>65370441>average schoolbus conversation circa 2002 for master race FPS gamers"what gun is best in Medal Of Honor Allied Assault / Counter Strike 1.5?">>65370587lol no
>>65370315Whites were busy playing Counter-Strike and Tribes 2.
>>65370293>it was known as babby's first fps up until the 2010s.because it was one of the first shooter games that featured a really strong aimbot. it had to because it wasnt mouse controlled. other than that halo was pretty much a typical boomer shooter. the cover shooters that followed were arguably worse. and the hero shooters that came after that can barely be called shooter games.
>>65370618>Tribes 2Truly the best of times.
>>65370604>half life>half life 2they always go for Half-Life. Only because it's a PC game>Dead Spacegreat game, not a perfect trilogy desu>Mass Effectpretty ok but we all know that's not a perfect trilogy either.Halo 1-3 is iconic and was more hyped than any of those games honestly.
>>65370165>everyone acts like a dudebro teenager or some uncultured bumsounds spot on to me, all it needs is weeaboos too.
>>65370165>booksretardhow about you have an actual lived experience instead.every person who ever wrote a book on the things you want to lean learnt it by living it not by reading about it
>>65370582Absolutely ridiculous volumes of badonkadonk. Badonkulous, if you will.
>>65370201Yup. They have lived their entire lives in the cave and are strongly incentivized to never leave or question it.>>65370424wut
>>65370165>everyone acts like a dudebro teenager or some uncultured bumIn the military? Gosh.
>>65370165>women fighting worth a shitIt was stupid in the original bang shooty games and its still stupid now. Pretty funny if all the aliums were just blown apart by an infinite wave of autonomous self-replicating EFPs on robots but then John Halo wouldn't be needed to save the day. I guess maybe it made sense since Earth was run by a faggy overbearing UN which wouldn't know efficiency if it crawled out of a black hole and bite them in the ass.
>>65371992Yes but they act like politically correct(aka faggy) dudebros. No casual racism, no hard drug use, no drunken brawls, no random extra judicial killings, no fun of any kind.
>>65370424why mad mr whopper jr? lol
>>65370582I can never decide if Linda or Kelly is best girl.
>>65370282>>65370265Reachfags think that if enough bad games come out reach "becomes better" like we're grading on a curve. They're always trying to cozy up to trilogy fans like "how do you do fellow CLASSIC halo fans" when their game started all the trends that grew into what Halo is today.
>>65370265The ending with Captain Keyes and the way he talks, his voice, the way he conducts himself is what motivated me to make this thread. I could feel the sense of professionalism in Reach.
>>65371955That's a great idea, and would have been my preferred method were I not physically disabled by the time the examiner's office called me up to determine whether or not I would be added to the army reserves. So oral and written history and spectating from a distance is all I can do.
>>65374547anon you are being such a miserable philistine faggot, you need to stop that
>>65371992not every army has the same level of discipline
>>65374587You were always a gay usurper. An intruder on the franchise.
>>65370315I can't think of Halo 1 and ignore the absolutely fucking psychotically half-baked "level design" they allowed into it. I would rather take an old school maze over the goddamn Control Room level.That being said, the music and atmosphere is transcendental.
>>65370201>>65370227You're not alone, it's an trend which has been known since the 1960s (Debord about spectacle) and 1980s (Baudrillard, who officially summarized the four stages) and 2000s (Japan coming to terms with the end of their anime greats)"The first stage is a faithful image/copy, where people believe, and may even be correct to believe, that a sign is a "reflection of a profound reality", this is a good appearanceThe second stage is perversion of reality, where people come to believe that the sign is an unfaithful copy, which "masks and denatures" reality as an "evil appearance—it is of the order of maleficence". Here, signs and images are inaccurate, though they may have references to realityThe third stage masks the absence of a profound reality, where the sign pretends to be a faithful copy, but it is a copy with no original. Signs and images claim to represent something real, but no representation is taking place and arbitrary images are merely suggested as things which they have no relationship to.The fourth stage is pure simulacrum, in which the simulacrum has no relationship to any reality whatsoever"
>>65372025Halo was plagiarized from the Vang trilogy of books, in the order book 2-3-1. In the original books, humanity was enslaved by the covenant and freed by someone discovering the Starhammer (a halo) and then the next two books happen centuries later and are about the Vang (flood). They're actually good reads for being generic scifi.
>>65374844The main character of Halo is the Arbiter.
>>65370604>judging Halo based on the goddamn campaign missions>no multiplayer>never LAN partiedShit-ass opinion.
>>65370201This was basically what Miyazaki meant when he said "otaku ruined anime."
>>65374547Halo Reach is a good game despite retconning the one book and bullet magnetism
>>65370201This is certainly true of videogames. One of the big issues with the current crop of devs is that theyve never done anything else, they've played videogames throughout their childhood then went to some college and gotten a video game degree and then join a studio to produce ouroboros self-referential shit. Compared to golden age (mid 90s to late 2000s IMO, though obviously opinions will vary) devs who often were just generic CS coders who had lengthy careers and external hobbies before they got into games; like gabe newell who worked on early windows releases for a decade before founding valve, or the Pokémon guy who created it in an attempt to get more kids into his own insect collecting obsession, or the dark souls guy who worked for Oracle until he was 30 and built the franchise off of a childhood of being unable to read English fantasy novels and just guessing what they were about based on keywords and cover art. Having other interests and experiences gives you something to draw upon, while if you only play games then your only point of reference is what has already been done.
>>65370618>heh, back up kid. im an ARENA SHOOTER gamer.>what games do i play now? runescape and deus ex
>>65370165Starship Troopers
>>65375079>Its all about the multiplayerYou really want to go down that road eh?
I just want to say death to 343 Industries, now rebranded as Halo Studios due to their abhorrent reputation.
>>65375079Halo is for faggots regardless of how you play it.
>>65375989Massively shit taste confirmed
>>65372025>tfw can do pull ups nowMad respect to that amputee btw
>>65376055Amputee can do pull ups while women remain in pull ups. It is the way of things!
>>65370179bollywood? Only Indians watch Indian movies I highly doubt bollywood had any effect on western writers
