>>65371786
waiting another decade or two for America to cease to exist because every American hates every other American more than they love America

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>>65371789
But this was initiated by (((them))) so I don't think they don't have an idea of how to proceed after shit hits the fan. Probably an authoritarian regime, either gay commies, or fascist chuddies.

wait for the house divided to not stand

>>65371786
Don't do it. The Soviet Union, the European Union (yes, really), and the 21st century PRC all thought they were in a position to effectively challenge the United States. They all failed. No shots were exchanged. Failure began basically as soon as they tried.

>>65371786
Have a country that isn't shitty enough to get brain drained by America, have a culture that acknowledges fuck ups instead of covering them up, don't hold autistic grudges or make territorial claims that lead to all your neighbors despising you making Uncle Sam look like the better option, don't fucking destroy your continent twice, be in a completely separate hemisphere that avoids one or more of the above issues

>>65372063

Nigger when did EU try to challenge burgerland

>>65371786
A group of Africans-American bois are doing a lot of damage right now.

>>65371786
Do what chinese is already doing for few decade.

>>65371786
you can have a military 10x the military strength of America, and you're still getting obliterated in the opening volley.

>>65372763
China isn't going to last a few more decades.
The general sentiment in China is that of apathy. The average Chinese cares about his government only on paper in public because he's forced to, he will not make children for the continuing chinese state, his children will not work for the betterment of the chinese people.
Chinese people are poor and old, and the decades of Chinese betterment resulted in the enrichment of a few, and the poverty of a great many.

>>65371786
Hoard all the manufacturing and wait. Really the berry amendment has saved us from a lot of embarrassment in the the last decade, so I wouldn't be surprised if you see pushes in the next few years for it to be repealed on account of being too expensive or causing supply bottlenecks, most likely from legislators with weird ties to China.

>>65372770
Is there any concrete proof or it is just your unwashed opinion.

This isn't chat GPT Ahmed.

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>>65371786
basically only a massive coalition of just about every major nation could stand up to America, and even then, idk

>>65371786
Massive economy, social cohesion, allies to trade with. I think the only possible future contender is the EU. They are part of the western world and thus have natural allies, and they have the economical base. Cohesion and will is lacking though, there's little point to it for them, unless the us collapses. China is way too dependent on the west, and way too internally fractured (their military is mainly a giant internal police force)

>>65372791
yes, in numerous statistical models.
The PRC is especially worried about this, pay attention.
Real unemployment in Chinese youth is around 40%
The average Chinese is afraid of his government, doesn't spend lavishly, and saves for the next big bad thing. Covid woke everybody up. Chinese people alive today who remember the 1960's know that one bad government decision is all it takes before families devolve into eating each other to survive.

>>65372908
>Real unemployment in Chinese youth is around 40%
46.5%
official is 14.9% but that doesn't include people who aren't looking for work either.
If China had to mobilize for total war these would be press ganged into factory jobs and infantry.

>>65371786
Really depends on what you mean by "challenge".
To win a total war and to dispute the capacity to dominate a specific region are different goals.

USSR and USA didn't go to war with each other because they knew that, even without nukes, should it escalates to total war, the damage would be so large on both sides that it would hollow any "victory".

They did contest the shit out of each other in several regions, though.

>>65371786
Time.
Never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake.

>>65371786
start a civil war with social media trolling then drone the remains

>>65372895
>eu
I don't think so, it's all gay and retarded here

>muh 250 american empire crumbling hedge money

>>65372748
First decade of this century. There was a lot of rhetoric about how Europe was the new rising soon to be superpower that would replace America. There were a few open attempts at competing for influence and economic leverage. It died with the 2008 recession and the debt crisis among other things.

>>65373159
>There was a lot of rhetoric about how Europe was the new rising soon to be superpower that would replace America.
I don't know where you live but we heard nothing of the sort here in Bruxelles.

The French might have said something like that, thinking the rest of Europe would suddenly stop despising them and then follow or something.

But most europeans do not want to be a superpower, especially in "the first decade of this century". At most, we wanted to be able to keep Russia away while keeping a finger on Africa's pulse.

While attitude toward the US has changed since Trump made his usual noise but in our direction, it is more a "we cannot rely on the US now" rather than "we should challenge the yanks for dominance". We know they will want to get back together one day.

>>65373180
The first talk of multipolarity I remember was actually about Europe, not Russia or China. European officials openly talked about making a more integrated Europe be an "effective counterweight," ie an additional pole, to the United States. This was often framed as Europe having superior values and the world benefiting from this enlightened European leadership. Creation of the Euro was also pretty openly about competing with the United States. I realize Europeans have pretty selective memories and this is kind of embarrassing in hindsight, but it did happen.

>>65371786
>What would it take for a rising power to realistically challenge the United States as the world’s leading military power?
first and foremost a larger, more productive and more resilient economy

much of US strength comes from their many allies willingly cooperating in so many matters
and they only do this because the US is, by far, the most profitable market to have access to

EU is ~28% smaller, China is ~33% smaller
and none of them have the "wholeness" of the US
North America, specifically the USA landmass, is just an unbelievable unfair advantage
the only regions in the world that could rival them are EU+Russia, China+Russia or a potential Central African Superstate

military equipment wise you don't even need that much
the US is a lot of bloat that you can theoretically replace with much cheaper stuff, compensated with larger production capacities and more research momentum
except maybe transport aircraft, because you can't replace them and Airbus/Boing have a 10y+ backlog

it's the infrastructure that would need decades to replicate
if you can't dock your ships on any continent, you ain't playing
if you can't bomb any place within 24h, you ain't playing
if you can't deploy rapid response anywhere on the planet in 12h, you ain't playing
that only works if you have bases everywhere, and especially important ones in super stable countries
for any other country except the USA it would be impossible to find another Germany or Japan, where you can just replicate the at home infrastructure without any threat (and even getting subsidies)

>>65373159

That's not the military context OP meant though
Europe being economic and political counterweight to burgerland is already reality, it never stopped to certain extent

>>65373180
>here in Bruxelles
are you a marrocan or a nigger?

Theres no feasible possibility of that happening. The US has the best geography, can feed itself, fuel itself, and has by far the worlds largest gold reserves, and has the least fucked population replacement levels.
This last one is a huge deal, china and Russia have godawful population replacement to the point they have basically already shot themselves, we just have to wait for them to finish bleeding out. The US could have a massive Civil war and then rebuild in the aftermath and there atill wouldn't be anyone who could meaningfully challenge whatever form of state emerges from the ashes.

>>65373207
>but it did happen
just like you winning the super bowl

>>65371786
>be major arms manufacturer
>make good shit
>sell it to allies
>be a good ally that cares about the economies of your allies
>don't threaten to invade allies

I think being the global reserve currency isn't required or good as historically it's always lead to a shitload of printing and debt because leaders think it's too big to fail.

>>65373046
It's getting less gay and less retarded, but we have a long way to go.

>>65373159
Euro here, there was literally zero such rethoric over here. Must've been a US fearmongering thing.

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Nothing.

>>65373484

NTA but this was more the early to mid 2000s, there was a lot of rhetoric about the euro replacing the dollar and the EU being the bright beacon of the future. The 2008 crash and the differing recoveries basically ended that delusion.

t. US millenial who lived in France 2006 and 2007

>>65373486
>4/15/14
Boy how the times have changed

>>65372063
The Soviet Union failed because it was a shithole, the U.S. didn't do anything besides forcing the Soviets to invest into a military they couldn't afford.
China is still a wildcard, perhaps they'll eventually surpass the U.S., perhaps their demographics collapse alongside their economy.
The European Union is not a superpower. It wanted to pave the wave into a more unified Union, but stopped to do so. Even then, the decline of the European Countries is entirely self-inflicted.
In none of the cases did they decline of fall because they opposed the U.S., what a retarded assesment

Realistically not possible. China has come the closest it looks like but the population time bomb is a real issue they won’t be getting around without mass immigration which tends to cause internal issues as we are all painfully aware of. The next closest possibility would be the EU to complete what Hitler and Napoleon couldn’t and consolidate Europe through bureaucracy and even then there really isn’t a reason to arm themselves to the degree America has outside of maybe some weird Muslim takeover but that inevitably ends in civil strife and fragmentation.

Even if someone DID manage to build a comparable expeditionary force crossing the Atlantic or Pacific are large feats that won’t go unnoticed. Both coasts are loaded with bases. The populace is well armed. And if we absolutely had to America could be entirely self sustaining to fight a defensive war. But none of these things are realistic and your offensive likely ends in the ocean or the sky before boots ever touch the ground.

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>>65371786
>to realistically challenge

Time Travel. Space Aliens.

>>65371796
>killing itself off for israel the tech gap makes up for whatever geographical disadvantage you may have.

The dregs of the Soviet Union that infest a fifth of that country at best have the tiger by the tail. There are no 'near peers'.

>>65371786
jewish interference

>>65373525
Completely unfeasible situation:
China, but with infinite Indian/Pakistani laborers, and they control all of Siberia perpetually while paying land use taxes to European Russia

>>65373513
The Soviet Union was spending like 20% of GDP on defense. The arms race was totally unsustainable for them and got in the way of any attempts to not be a dysfunctional dump.

>>65373566
They got drunk on oil revenue, and converted a lot of their productivity to getting as much of it as possible.
The oil markets just collapsed in the 1980's and they were unable to even afford basic imports.

>>65373579
More aggressive factions within the party, the military, and intelligence apparatuses also colluded to depose the one reformer they ever had with an empty suit that would do what they wanted. Stalin's aggressive stance towards the West, seizing Czechoslovakia and trying to seize West Berlin, Greece, Turkey, and arguably Italy is precisely what kicked off the Cold War and ensuing arms race. They were very aggressive and it killed them.

>>65373239
>landmass
What do you mean by that? Is it about agriculture et al or just a big habitable land?

>>65373479
How? And please don't point to edgy teens and schizos following some Zionist LARPing as nazis.

China
>Not ruled by idiots
>Not ruled to the benefit of the rich and the unproductive
>Not ruled by people who hate their own nation and culture
It will outdo the entire west and that will be not because they were especially smart, but because they weren't pants on head retarded. They may not even try to catch up in military terms, they will just dominate the world economically.

>>65371786
A positive birth rate and about 3 decades.

>>65373495
Yeah the US has gotten even shittier, but I guess so has china so it all evens out in the end

>>65373525
>China has come the closest it looks like but the population time bomb is a real issue they won’t be getting around without mass immigration which tends to cause internal issues as we are all painfully aware of.
I'm sure they can just force people to have children, it's nothing new to the chinese, before this they even had that 1 child law, they show that they didn't really want their population to grow more, when it becomes a problem they will make some 3 children rule where every woman should at least have 3 children or something.

>crossing the Atlantic or Pacific are large feats that won’t go unnoticed.
You need not that, it's sufficient to cut the long hands of the US on the "old world", it's actually a disadvantage to them as it is an advantage, that's why they need all of this base on earth especially in the middle east, those bases don't have much power nor support to fight a prolonged war, and we saw in the last war with the IRGC how those bases aren't invincible, but the US' air superiority and its capability of striking anywhere from above is frightening to any enemy, if someone somehow can isolate those bases and have some superior air defense and offense system, the US wouldn't have much to do except rely on proxies, you really need not nuke all of the US to win a war with it, but just take advantage of their isolation, sure they can sustain themselves in their turtle island, but they wouldn't be the world's superpower if they don't have control and power over the "old world" where everything important is, especially their dear petrodollar.

If the US ever falls, it will be a long and boring procedure that might take centuries, and would probably turn into a better version of modern russia.

>>65373873
No that's not how it works, you can't force people to have children. If it were that easy, they would have done so already considering their disastrous demographics.

>>65373873
they removed the one child law, replacement rate is still 0.9
Covid made Chinese people stop having kids.
Some of the old folks still talk about the cannibalism that happened in the 1960's

>>65373814
The USA has one of the most fertile, productive tracts of land in the world. The Mississippi river basin is this massive, bountiful tract of land.
About 600k years ago yellowstone spewed all over this land a blanket of ash which broke down into nutrient-dense fertile soil as far as Mexico and Ohio.

The US has taken a hit to power and reputation but still remains ahead. If Xi wants to try to force the Taiwan issue, then it needs to be before 2028. Before the US can potentially start to recover and stabilize, where a hostile move from a foreign actor will just unite Americans as it has in the past. The Chinese military is not ready for that.
So their only choices are to either try to rush a 2027-28 offensive and hope for the best, or hold out in hopes the US gets worse and none of the military projects various nations are doing specifically to counter China are seen through.
It says a lot about the world that America has made some awful choices the past quarter of a century, but still remains ahead. We're bad and everyone else is still worse.

>>65373883
Taking away women's rights is the Fix Everything Button.

>>65373883
>>65373886
Maybe they intentionally want to reduce the population and are now waiting for it to happen.
In this case they have to watch carefully whether existing procreation is eugenic or dysgenic. In the west it is the latter. In china there are little social benefits and lack of money is a main reason for lack of wife for men, so I think it might be more neutral.
They might also plan to put the childless poor on starvation level pensions eventually, in which case demographic change is much less of a problem than in the west.

>>65373833
>Not ruled by idiots
lol
>Not ruled to the benefit of the rich and the unproductive
LOL
>Not ruled by people who hate their own nation and culture
LMAO

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>>65373908
Yeah but that's not going to happen

>>65373912
Great argument my man.
Trump is an idiot, all of western europe hate itself and so does every other US government, social benefits are killing our economies.
>>65373915
>35 years ago

>>65373873 (ME)
Plus if they get isolated or something close to that, their own inner problems will be more highlighted, with time they can even get close to extinction with all the modern gay societies, think about it, if things continue like this most of western nations will be a third of immigrants, a third of retards, and a third or less of actual useful people but they would probably refuse to engage in such a society. The jews' grand scheme is probably milking the west et al and destroying them from inside while they build great Israel, or something similar, while the only real counter ideas people tend to follow as the solution to this mess is neonazism which is just a controlled opposition by zionists, or commie troons which are the same. The european renaissance was led by great intellectual minds, today those people are nowhere to be found, some are still good craftsmen and good in arts and sciences, but not at all wise. IMO it's really hard for europe or america to have a rise, because all of their problems are self-made, and if they don't solve those deep problems instead of just jumping to next contrarian bandwagon, it will get only worse. Like some anons said here you can just wait some few decades and the old western powers will just get so old and dull that any mediocre power can win against them.

Maybe the next great power will be the community that has members which seek virtue and wisdom and think for the long term, while every one around them is destroying himself from lust and stupidity. History repeating itself.

>>65373883
They forced you to stay at home for months, some propaganda, encouragements, and punishment is all what it takes.

>>65373926
Doing nothing for a few months is a lot easier than doing tons of shit for 18 years.

>>65373926
>They forced you to stay at home for months

no they didnt lol. only big cities has real lockdowns, everyone else was just suggested to stay home. the government and society as a whole asked that you wear a mask and you got ptsd from that.

>>65373906
Yet they only produce and eat slop and processed food, all of this great resources wouldn't stop retards from being retards.

>>65373926
No nigger i'm telling you it's impossible. What are you gonna do, have a secret police watching couples at all times to make sure they're fucking? If North Korea can't even do it what makes you think anyone else can?

>>65373934
you can blame corporate profiteers for that. The land is still there. The farmers are still farming it.
Syscorp would rather order corn from Brazil because it's 13 cents a hectare cheaper than order it from Ohio because it's right next door.
These are the people who feed our military.

>>65373937
You can have programs of reproducing if you want to go this dystopic, you gather the best men and let them fuck many women, and you let other normal couples do what they do normally. But what I meant is that communism discourage the family unit and the natural job of men and women, they can reverse that if they want the same way they made it.

>>65373934
America farms millions of acres of corn every year. You're just a fatty who assumes everything is cake.

>>65373916
Then nothing will be fixed.

>>65373950
>you can blame corporate profiteers
You mean the whole US? Fwik you aren't even allowed to plant your own seeds in the US.

>>65373932
Ey it's a shill. Careful or you'll catch long covid

>>65371786
become a world defense industry leader
have a real blue water navy
conquer long distance logistics chains

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>>65371786
Make cheap shit, apparently.

>>65373986
apparently not working

>>65373922
your argument is not convincing, as youre just saying US and Europe will implode any day now and that theyre self-loathing or whatever. Anyway, learn engrish

>>65373993
Walmart and Amazon are America's biggest employers. Neither of the two build anything at all in the US. All they do is sell cheaply made chinkshit.
When the C-suite of a company tries to save a few dollars by moving a factory from Missouri to Bangladesh, not only do the jobs go with the factory, the tax base goes as well. All those workers no longer pay taxes, so the state and federal government can no longer claim income taxes. Payroll taxes as well. Business taxes. Do you see how many knock-on effects losing even a single 2000-employee factory to China can have? There is a reason huge chunks of the Rust Belt suffer from insane meth and heroin addiction, and it all stems from the hollowing out of our manufacturing base to China.

>>65374008
>will implode any day now
It's not an implosion, it's a long and drawn out decline. Anyone walking through an american or european city can see it. Heck, anyone on 4chan would agree, if only this wasn't about china NOT doing all that shit and therefore becoming better than us. Then suddenly it's all not true.

>>65373986
They also go a step forward and do something extremely dastardly, which is buying companies and then forcibly shutting them down to boost their own domestic chink industries. Look at British Steel. Chinks bought British Steel, neglected maintenance, and tried to force the blast furnaces to shut down. When the British government nationalized it from the chinks, the chinks then tried to starve the blast furnaces of raw materials.
When you stop firing an iron blast furnace, it's extremely hard to restart it, and may cause permanent damage to the furnace. The chinks tried to starve the blast furnaces of the raw material they needed to keep them going, by selling off the coking coal, and in doing so, go full scorched earth and permanently disable the blast furnaces. It got to a point to where the Royal Navy had to force the chink boats carrying the raw materials for the furnaces to actually arrive at their destinations.
https://archive.is/xaWDc
>He told parliament that Jingye had demanded “hundreds of millions of pounds” on top of the government’s deal, but without any conditions to stop the company transferring funds to China, or to ensure the blast furnaces were “maintained and in good working order”. He said it had also become clear that Jingye had no intention of purchasing sufficient raw materials to keep the furnaces running and intended to cancel orders.
>He added that the company would have “irrevocably and unilaterally closed down” Scunthorpe without government intervention.
>A shipment of coking coal was in port at Immingham, on the Humber Estuary, with no sign of it being unloaded. Sources claimed that Jingye attempted to sell the Immingham shipment to an unnamed Chinese company, starving the Scunthorpe works of crucial fuel. However, the government moved to stop this, with police said to have secured the shipment.

>>65374051
America is doing pretty good

>>65374044
outsourcing doesn't hold a candle to automation and downsizing. We used to have rooms full of drafters designing shit like the F7D and all of the cool shit that went along with it like the analog optical mapping system and now all of that is done by a computer. The computer replaced far more than outsourcing ever did.

>>65374044
the thing is that America can take that while China cannot. America has sustained itself without massive manufacturing, China is completely reliant on it. The USA requests childrens McDonalds toys, and China says yes.

>>65374174
A7D* I just watched a documentary on it, probably the coolest thing I've ever seen.
Analog bomber, 15k pounds of ordnance, analog mapping system in place, accurate to 18 meters with a Mk82 dumb bomb.

>>65373833
Just looking at the retarded zero covid policy and the massive censorship of a fucking dog and its puppies being burned alive already tells you how retarded chink leadership is
And add the constant purges, might as well be clown world over there

>>65373961
>they can reverse that
How other than your retarded alpha male harem fantasy? They already have one of the most passive aggressive 'have sex' campaigns and it did jack shit

>>65371786
crashing the bond market

>>65371786
Sitting astride the Strait of Hormuz, I guess. Well okay, it also requires the US to be utterly retarded about how it prepares for the conflict.

>>65374337
I mean by abandoning gay communism, they already kind of did this to not be a shithole, but if they do more and return to their traditional chinese wisdom all of their problems would be solved. It's quite ironic that the supposedly most technologically advanced nation cannot even make children, love isn't made from steel and silicon, and it isn't fed with fuel or electricity. Now they will enjoy their cold Skyscraper on top of a warm and rich land.

Humans are retarded, they think the more unnatural they are the more advanced they are, but if they stopped being humans for the sake of advancement, then to where they're advancing? A future without the human, thus without them?

>>65374801
Dropping their off brand goymmunism isn't going to solve they birth rate crisis, look at korea, japan and pretty much any decently advanced asian country
And returning to tradition will effectively kill the current ruling body, so good luck trying to convince them to do that lol

>>65373971
>cant plant seeds in the US
You are a fucking idiot.

>>65371786
genetic engineering instead of the current dysgenic engineering being inflicted by the international banking csrtel.

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>>65371786
An impossible confederation.

Europe+Russia
China+Korea+Japan

No single nation as we know it has the technical ability and resources to do it.

>>65374889
>China+Korea+Japan
Insert Meme "99% of power" here. (More like 90% probably, but still.)

>>65373159
>some people said some words
that's not realistically challenging the American hegemony, that's just some retards opening their mouths