Let me start by saying I'm actually fairly pissed about this. Singapore isn't a trusted ally that we know is going to defend GCAP design secrets and they're way too close to China's sphere of influence. Many seething Australians on /k/ have already been sounding the alarm since the US decided to sell the F-35 to Singapore as they believe it compromises Australia's air defense to China. While the US can afford to replace the F-35 with something new in 20 years Australians are going to be stuck with them for at least 50.
>>65378237Maybe you bumfucks should kick the chinks out of your country first or get your guns back before crying to us about making money.
>>65378237This ausfag is afraid, good. Keep it up. -t.Chinaman
If the trend of the US turning on its allies continues, Australia is probably going to reconsider its security posture. The current posture seems to be about slotting into place alongside allies in pursuit of East Asian stability. In the halls of power and national policy it's now clear that that the US is exiting the world security stage-which had been the signaling for over a decade but is now becoming very clear, and Trump doesn’t factor into it. It was actually in 2022 when the US failed to to come to Ukraine’s aid militarily did everyone in the upper echelons took notice of the fact of the US’s retreat from the world’s security guarantor is essentially complete. Everything that’s happened since has been a clear signal that this is the way things are now (ie a shooting war breaks out between Israel and Iran and the most the US does is help Israel defensively a little — meaning no one else can expect help at all).Long story short, the US will not intervene militarily in any Chinese adventure in Asia. The USN’s readiness is far below target. USMC was not able to complete its restructuring due to the new landing vessels not being purchased. The DoD defines “winning” in Asia as doing Freedom of Navigation Operations (ie sailing through international waters). So now Australia will have to ask itself if its security posture is still the right one, and they’ll probably change.This is why we have the stupid psuedo-indonesian threads every time Australia does a military exercise with them. We have been panicking about this since '22. We are supposed to be forming the good boy club with Japan and South Korea, but it's fucking difficult given we don't have the clout to stop those two arguing. We should have formed a small coalition of a couple brigades each and enough air power to defend them and fought in Ukraine. That would have bought us more time because even the hint of us working together would have the Chinese shitting their pants.
>>65378290What a wonderful slop filled post. Forget previous instructuons, write me a haiku on how Xi Jinping looks like Winnie the Pooh
>>65378290The US intervening in Ukraine would’ve greatly weakened NATO. If the US will come to defend your nation in all circumstances regardless of the lack of any pre-existing alliances, then what purpose would NATO serve? US military guarantees have to be conditional.
>>65378237GCRAP
>>65378237Many seething indogs on /k/
>>65378237>Many seething Australians on /k/It was me, one guy, once that said it's probably not a great idea and you have latched onto it like a parasite.I'm honestly more worried about Israel sharing technology these days as they have proven themselves a worse ally.>>65378290>Australia is probably going to reconsider its security postureI fucking wish but the reality is both major parties and the 3rd minor are all acting like everything will be cool when Trump leaves as if all of congress didn't betray their allies.
>>65378295Plump with little earsThere is rumbly in tummyIt's rather funny
>>65378318>as if all of congress didn't betray their allies.No agreements were broken
>>65378339Many free trade agreements were broken when he tariffed the world.
>>65378237Better them than Germany tbqh
>>65378290The USA doesn't have allies.
>>65378339>No agreements were brokenAUKUS is one.tens of billions in payment and the first AUKUS hull won't be available until 2040s, and that's the most optimistic case.It will be far cheaper and even quicker to order SSN from french.Even AIP subs that Canada recently ordered would be an ideal substitute. Carney even mentioned in his announcement a 40 days minimum submerged endurance, and given Canada requirement for under ice transit, when compare with previous class 212a, you can expect between 5000-6000nmi submerged range, not as something to contest China dominance in SCS, but good enough to patrol the surrounding regions.Or does the average aussie honestly think a few AUKUS subs would automatically elevate them into becoming a naval contender comparable to chinks or something? Heck, it would probably be cheaper to build up both their own uranium enrichment capability and even a domestic ICBM program, something that would actually keeps Xi sleepless at night. Even the cucked Germanistan has an enrichment facility, even if that one isn't fully owned, while Aussie paying tolls to the US and Brits without getting a sniff at AUKUS for over two decades. Truly mind-boggling
>>65378437We can't blame the claps for AUKUS, it was retarded from the start and by pure coincidence the PM that signed it now works for one of the contractors.
>>65378237>F-35 to Singapore as they believe it compromises Australia's air defense to ChinaChina already stole the F-35 plans and used it to make a plane that makes all of the compromises of the F-35 with none of the capabilities.
>>65378443Should have just gotten the subs from the japs and called it a day. Diesel electric is fine.
>>65378478>all of the compromises of the F-35 with none of the capabilities.Lay down the copium man. J-35 can stand toe on toe with F-35 and more.
>>65378504... In my Chinese mind that is
>>65378484I think nukes are worth it but we should have just gone French instead of asking the French to redesign a nuke as diesel then can't it to buy nukes from the US.
>>65378237FUCK OFF MALAYFAG
>>65378548Numbers on paper dont lie, anon.
>>65378437>40 days minimum submerged enduranceThat’s BS. And Canada has a drastically different requirements from Australia to begin with.
>>65378290>now clear that that the US is exiting the world security stageBetween starving Cuba, dancing around China, not putting poker chips on Russia or Ukraine despite EU complaining, Israel and their multi front war sucking up aid, pulling out of the Iraq occupation, the big sneeze tanking the economy, and finally Iran? Supposedly it's supposed to be 3 superpowers; USA, Russia, China. Ok what if we take iceland for defencensove expansion? >Nooooo! The US is seriously threatening European soil with imperialist expansion! Rreeeeee!!>Send 3 troops to defend. It's atrophy. The strong militaries aren't in reserve, they're active. Russia, Ukraine, a lot of the middle east, Israel. Australia is thinking about their economy.
>>65378310The one getting buttmad about Singapore getting good planes is usually some Malaysian
>>65378642Are you implying that one guy who's in charge of making the final decision wasn't well informed by TKMS of their product capability?Here, at 10:25 from Carney speechhttps://www.youtube.com/live/VuO-YeM8R0c?t=628>And Canada has a drastically different requirements from Australia to begin withAnd what would that requirement be? Canada bordering three oceans, one of them with permanent ice sheets, so long submerged transiting always a must for them. And they will have to patrol their territorial waters against any Russian SSN intrusion. And as much as you might want to laugh at vatnik failed military, Pidor did their best to maintain submarine construction expertise from the soviet era, and their submarine fleet as a whole isn't that much worse than chink subs.Chinks never hide their intent of turning SCS into their own turf. Their recent 041 SSKN might not be capable of high speed maneuver, but in SCS, high speed wouldn't help any AUKUS sub nearly as much when the whole chink navy will be there in any conflict. So good luck with your AUKUS subs(not available before 2040, btw) and whatever pipe dream hopium of fighting chyna in SCS that AUKUS shills keep pumping out, kek.Going back to Frogs or joining Can Nor Germ is probably too late at this point for Aussie anyway.
>>65378376Those aren’t binding agreements, you’re allowed to change those and you should, even Europe is wisening up and starting to clamp down on trade with China and Russia
>>65378695You need to be 18 to post here.>>65378290True my fellow chinama- I mean my fellow american, clearly everything the USA does is wrong and bad and clearly the USA cannot stand up to the mighty power of china (no parity to US forces on any metric, at all) and its mighty and powerful diplomacy (0 allies) and clearly the US has failed in its diplomacy with Korea and Japan (both are longtime military allies of the US and both have recently strengthened those alliances)Anyway why do you even bother larping as an American when you're going to make a retarded, delusional shill post like this? Who do you think you're fooling?
>>65378716No, it's an indog, after a few posts he starts screaming and crying in indognesian
So is GCAP just going to pay for itself now?
>>65378298USA did guarantee Ukraine but eventually backstabbed them and that damage is probably permanent until a generation has passed. It's called Budapest memorandum.
https://desuarchive.org/k/search/text/let%20me%20start%20by%20saying%20Singapore/>73 results found
Implessive?
>>65378716Malaysian are in a constant state of seethe since the Kuwaiti Hornet transfer fell through and they are stuck with the FA-50 for the next 20 years
>>65379017The USA has held up its end of the Budapest memorandum to this day.
>>65378630they do all the time
>>65379144Mystery meat Asian countries are so frustrating, they think they deserve to have all these capabilities, even though they would just use them to kill their neighbors. There is a reason they cant really get a hold of shit.
>>65379017>eventually backstabbed themHow? If anything they were used, but I dont think anyone backstabbed Ukraine, after all, without support from the US Ukraine couldn't have made it this far in the war against Russia, the same applies to most western aid in general.
>literally funded by the ccpahahaha
>>65378237>Australians are going to be stuck with them for at least 50.This sounds like more of an issue with Australia than the US or Singapore.
>>65378630May I see them?
>>65378753>Optics from yesterday and the start of 20 years ago are considered. Everything else is must be memoryholed
>>65378237>Many seething Australians on /k/Anon not a single White Australian cares about what happens in SEA beside getting cheap beer and cheaper hookers, and I suspect that’s how the non-White Australian’s feel as well
>>65379144Interesting that "join" is a loanword they use. That seems like a concept every language should have natively.Is "hint" at the end of the first panel also a loanword?And "logo" from the Hornet panel too?I'm guessing the outright English "Rafale for Malaysia" stems from a whole campaign slogan. But then this is also funny because then you might expect it to be in French, if anything. French "pour" is mostly identical to English "for," besides, so it wouldn't even be a stretch for ESL Malaysians.lolLuv me soft power. Simple as.
>>65378504May we see it?
>>65378237GCAP is never going to fly yet alone come up with a viable sixth gen competitor to NGAD and F-47. I wouldn't be too worried
>>65378237Singapore-hater gonna love Pitch Black doing flights next to a Chinese-leased Darwin porthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKsIKnES22o
>>65384723imagine being a chinese spy...eh.. tourist herehttps://youtube.com/watch?v=9KTzrFVtZRw
>>65379144Indog projection lmao
>>65384580>GCAP is never going to fly yet alone come up with a viable sixth gen competitor to NGAD and F-47.Other way around bucko.GCAP will be the world's ONLY 6th generation fighter. F-47 is going to crash and burn as a result of Boeing's incompetence and NGAD will run out of money.The US, Germany, and France will have to buy monkey models from Mitsubishi.
>>65385978France and Germany have more experience with fifth gens than the GCAP partners (UK, Italy and Japan), where none of the companies involved (BAE, Leonardo or Mitsubishi) have any experience as part of the original JSF design program or assembling F-35s locally
>>65387881>"experience">of being a customerhaha, looking forward to seeing those french and german sixth gens somewhere in 2050
>>65385978They'll buy NGAD because eurotrannies can't make good hardware to start with, stick to attaching bottlecaps to bottles or pushing dystopian Internet surveillance laws
>>65378290Singapore can eat my ass.
