>tfw you realize the gun was perfected 60 years ago
Best infantry rifle ever built
Except for the part where you have to carry the 5kg musket for a week in the bush.
>>65378668As it should be
>>65378668Actually didn't know it's heavier than the FAL despite being only about M16 length. I only have experience with FALs
>>65378654>20 rounds>no last round hold open >shitty ergos>awkward for optics without modification>heavy, spongy triggerIt's a good rifle, and it gets the job done, but it's far from perfect. It looks the bee's knees though, and that's what really matters.
>>65378654>60 years agoBut the AR-15 was designed 70 years ago.
>>65378703Eh sure it's not gonna have modern features but it perfected the concept of "the gun" if you know what I'm saying.Long rifle, utilitarian design, bullets that cover most scenarios, all the fire modes you'd need, even comes with a bipod. Simple and effective.Truly the apex of what a caveman would envision if you told him about guns.
>>65378722checked, also for the time HK had a modular system of integral components attachments and accessories (that have been 'superseded' by more recent mass adoptions and small-arm developments but took the same original idea)All modern mil small arms follow this modularity pattern, today
>>65378727Shopping therapy for men
>>65378662every time i've held one with that style of handguard, i thought "holy shit this feels absolutely horrible"i have no idea why, but its repulsive to me, and i wonder if others feel the same
Like many guns it retains it's value because as surplus it's re-deployed, it never really filled it's primary role. And that's largely a feature of it's caliber.Today it's a poor mans support rifle, instead of a patrol rifle. And that's just because it's the cheapest rifle which can accept large capacity mags in a battle rifle caliber. these guns are WAY cheaper then mos people appreciate, in the war market it's worth as much as an AK, generally passed over because of ammo comparability.
>>65378654>>tfw you realize the gun was perfected 60 years ago>tfw you have never forotten you didn't have $500 40rs ago
>>65378654The Pakis attempted to modernise it but it's just a shitbox. Too bulky it's mediocre for a battle rifle. The recoil is too much although comparitively far more stable. It's sad that the turks didn't try to modernise the hk33 and hk53 to make a more modernised version instead of copying the Germans and produce a trashier hk416
>no LRBHO>big fucking slot on the side of the gun to let in sand>farts soot all over the inside of the receiver and magazine with every single shot fired>German milspec triggers were comically shitty because of drop-safety autism at the expense of the shooter They're cool and all, and they have their history, but the FAL was just a better 7.62x51mm infantry rifle.
>>65378654>heavy as fuck>more recoil than FALs or ARs>awkward as fuck rifle, too short stock, safety way the fuck up in the stratosphere, charging handle just slapped somewhere, everything requires shifting your hands around and >awkward scope mounting with retarded high offset>fucking too short stock is now too low as well>charging handle smacks into said scope
>>65379590b-b-but muh heckin H&K-slap!
>>65379595yeah yeah yeahjust get an mp5
I back to backed the G3 and FAL at the range a few years back, G3 definitely came out the winner. Great rifles, easily my favorite real fuckin' NATO rifle.
If you're shooting in the prone, you need to run the charging handle every time you run through a magazine. Not a problem if you're on a squad with a dozen other guys, but if you're in a smaller group trying not to get pinned down, you might need those two extra seconds.Also if you want to try to hit stuff further away, you're going to want a trigger job. In the USA in 2026, just buy the Timney Trigger for HKs.
>>65379669>>65378703>>65379579>MUH TRIGGER MUH TRIGGERhow much of weak fingered FAGGOT are you people?"uhhh, this trigger is more than 1.5 lbs, I cant hit the broadside of a barn now"fucking olympic shooting guns all have the shittiest weird spongey creepy triggers and people shoot 2 inch groups at 25 yards with it
>>65379702The G3 system is capable of 2 or 3 MOA. It isn't a pistol you're shooting at 25m.I'm not an Olympian. But biathlon *rifles* have a minimum weight of 500g (1.1 pounds).If you never want to shoot at more than 200 meters and are happy with the stock trigger, stick with it.
>>65379779Edit: minimum trigger weight of 500g or 1.1 pounds
>>65379669>>65379779>Also if you want to try to hit stuff further away, you're going to want a trigger job.Wtf no, learn how to shoot, I take mine to 600yds with irons and a stock trigger all the time, same with my FAL.
>>65378668>>65378662>>65378654I come from a country where these were still commonly issued service rifles until recently and everybody hated them without exception. Heavy, clunky, inaccurate.
>>65378654108 years ago
>>65378654They look very cool but after having used one for a bit they get very heavy and not just the skinny handguard gets super warm after shooting, but mostly the trunnion area gets super hot which isn't pleasant. And by hot I mean almost suppressor levels of hot. On top of that the gun is basically a direct blowback 308 with extra steps which is both cool and dumb, it certainly makes putting it back together a pain, can't tell you how many times I stabbed myself with the firing pin trying to reassemble the bolt
>>65379806That’s because you’re from a shithole with no firearms tradition and probably a bunch of dumb conscript that blame the rifle for them themselves sucking.
>>65379827>firearms traditionaka you taking the rifle out to the range or a leisurely camping trip a few times a month vs having to march 50 miles with it through some swamp shithole
>>65379849You know the great thing about America is I can do either, since we have public lands and rights, unlike you.
>>65379806I met a guy from Iran who said the same thing. People idolize these through rose colored glases.
>>65378734No, just you not having the right german conscript hands. Too bad.
>>65379827>My larp fantasies are more valid than real experience!!!!!!!Every /k/ poster in one sentence
>>65379824>can't tell you how many times I stabbed myself with the firing pin trying to reassemble the boltSkill issue
>>65379859Definitely more valid than a conscripts experience, we did that shit in Boy Scouts when I was 11. Sorry you never camped or hiked till you were 18 and the government told you you had to, must’ve been hard leaving your mom’s for the first time lmao
>>65379868>Boy scout baby thinks getting raped by a sweaty old pedo in the woods is military experienceLiterally the original larp, you're a sad fake joke, but I'm sorry you got raped. Honestly that gives you and conscripts something to bond over!
>>65379873You’re projecting more than an IMax nigger, should start selling tickets so people can watch you in real time.
>>65379702>unironically defending the MUH DROP SAFETY milspec trigger which actually holds the G3 back from its genuinely good inherent accuracy potentialSad!
>>65379827What an embarrassing cope.
>>65379827Faggot, Bundeswehr G3 rifles had goddamn +12lbs triggers, that's completely ridiculous dogshit for a rifle, and this was so bad that the G3SG/1 does not have this same heavy trigger, because through German autism, they were still forced to recognize that this gets in the fucking way of basic precision.The G3 doesn't have this trigger because it's actually good and serves it as a frontline combat weapon, it has this trigger because some faggot Safety Sally thought excessive drop-safety was far more important than anything else, and they had zero trust or respect for the German soldier (if not outright contempt).You will see this same demented logic in later German police service pistols, and you will also see it in some American police departments, like the NYPD.
>>65379806I second this, it was the least enjoyable firearm i touched during my service. Galil was a much more pleasant rifle to use.
>>65379806Same. No issues wit accuracy, but they are long, clunky and a pain to clean. G36/AR15 any day over it.
>>65380241>>65380330You guys Estonians? Swedes? Did your G3s also have the Bundeswehr trigger, or did saner minds prevail?
>>65380488>G36Latvians.Love LATPAT camo soo much, it’s the modern day reincarnation of Dual-Tex.
>>65378654It was, but you posted the wrong picture.
>>65380565I love the digital camo on the uniform, very good looking and probably functions well, but the camo on the rifle makes me think of that cheap looking realtree stuff you'll see on hunting guns at times.
>>65378703The FAL improves on all of these except the capacity.
>>6538085530 rounders exist
>>65380565>>65380741I have camoHQ Copy M07 LATPAT track pants it’s in more desert muted for Middle East wars.While M16 MultiLATPAT is woodland based color palette made for forests of the Baltics.
>>65380997Fun fact LATPAT was designed by Saab Barracuda of Sweden for Latvia.
>>653801761.its fucking weight is a way bigger hinderance than you people being absolute faggots about the trigger, do you fucking people have to lunge your fingers at anything that requires any effort more than a spray bottle? what the fuck do you people do when you have a revolver? yank the gun with all your might and shoot into the ceiling?2. still less shitty than an M16A2 trigger
In my opinion it's the best of the big 3 but I still prefer my M1A.
>>65379849firearms tradition
>>65381262M14 people are the Zendaya fags of .308
>>65381355wtf I hate the M14 nowJk I just like it
>>65381402Fuck I love all 3 BRs.#NATOGANG
>>65380488Lithuanian in my case. We used Swedish AK4, but it's the same thing. >>65380565
>>65381427Hell yeah. I love em all.
>>65378707.22 caliber: Into the trash it goes
>>65380488>>65381440A wee bit sad innit Lithuania never adopted a Digital pixelated camouflage pattern eh?
>tfw no .25 Remington ar10
>>65381445M14 is the weakest when plain but ones with pistol grips (ie EBR, E2 & M1A CQB) make it look as Sexy as the G3/FAL.
>>65378654>tfw you realize the gun was perfected 60 years ago
>>65381508I had an EBR chassis. It was cool but very very front heavy. It was nice though, hard to say if it improved the accuracy, but mine already had a bedded stock. I might get one again. >>65381521The Harrel special
>>65381521>>65381534Carry Handles are pure Sex. Favs are the A4, G36 dual, VHS-2 CT 1.5 and L85A2 wonkey handle.>>65381508The results speak for themselves, keep it in the EBR chassis Hoss.
>>65381607>>65380211Have MSG 90 trigger packs ever been imported?
>>65378654but that's not an FAL
>>65381402Man, that is nice. All 3 of those are banned in Canuckistan now. Used to be unrestricted back in the day (1980's for me). I miss my HK91 and HK93.
>>65381501Yep. The multicam that we currently use is far too light coloured for the environment. Something like CADPAT or Finnish M05 would work best, or even classic woodland.
>>65381633for good reasonchecked
>>65381508no it doesntyou are blind
>>65379967>Pedobait rapedscout can only go n-no u!Lol!
I have carried one (Ak4) for about a decade. Is it a heavy, clunky obsolete pice of shit? Yes. Do I love it? Also yes
>>65378727>>65378730>ywn have that night sighting device on your rifle in a forest waiting for the Soviet attack
>>65379806>Heavy, clunky, inaccurate.the former two sure, but nobody who ever used them called them inaccurate
>>65379779the beaten down pieces of shit that the average cold war conscripts would have been issued might as well have been a musket. my dad was into hunting and shooting competitions from a very young age and he had to ask the armorer for a replacement and he went like "why didnt you tell me you knew how to shoot?" he actually ended up working at the firing range for most of his service in the military
>>65382211checked, seems like most of the kvetch itt is about the G3's weight or ergosEach of which^ apply only to some people: anyone that can handle the weight, size, form factor of the rifle rates it highly
>>65378703damn, sounds like all these problems are solved by just having an AR-10 instead.
>>65378668>BRfags>Actually carrying their riflesWhoa partner, reel it in there!
Battle rifle chuds really are the rifle equivalent of revolver CCers. Loud, contrarian, obnoxious, not content with just preferring/liking it and have to insist it's the best thing ever.
>>65381188An infantry rifle or semi-automatic service pistol should NOT have a single-action trigger akin to a DAO revolver, that is completely unnecessary and retarded.
>>65382211I can imagine for some people, they are using shot out rifles where the accuracy is no longer there, but that's not quite the rifle's fault.
>>65383401People said the same for Beretta m9 that were never serviced in service. If that was true we wouldn't have the sig wunder weapons we have now.
>>65382180This. I've been shooting a PTR for years. The ergos are retarded (safety is annoying, no BHO, charging handle can be clunky unless you replace the actual handle part), its heavy as fuck (and I say this as a roided up monster retard), and being a BR it's a cannon which outside of a DMR role (which it struggles with factory-made due to meh-tier accuracy) makes shooting less efficient than with an intermediate cartridge. Ammo is kind of expensive in the US. Mounting shit isnt that hard you just jeep to be creative or buy a new handguard.If you want optics you should get the newer versions with the rail, however I sold mine so I could buy the exact same rifle WITHOUT the rail because rails are GAY and lights and lasers and vfg's are FOR PUSSIES. Cold war battle rifles are fundamentally out-dated by definition and I think if you get one it should be exclusively for the vibe and because it is incredibly fun to shoot.
>>65383816>its heavy as fuck (and I say this as a roided up monster retard)Sonny you should have trained for some functional strength instead instead of wasting your time on the curl machine. Back in my days we used to pitch hay all summer and did triathlons with our rifles on our back. And none of that nonsense creatinine just raw milk. By the way the HnK safety you use it from low ready to blast those GDR goons when cold wars suddenly get hot, but that's lost on a bench rest princess like you
>>65379562Sorry anon, for me that $1,100 for a Yugo M76 20 years ago. It still stings.
>>65383948Meant for >>65379524
>>65383512If you use a pistol regularly for 30 years straight, you will wear it out, that's how tools work. They had issues with old and tired 1911s too, pistols don't last forever in military service.And if you build a tool wrong, like Sig, then it may last shorter than expected.
Anyone got that old HK ad with that hunter slipping on snow with his HK91?
>>65383936>back in my day2019?
>>65379562>TurksMpt55/76 was supposed to be a license produced copy of the 416(Mehmetcik 1)from what I remember it was due to tsk wanting a battle rifle and HK not giving out the license Much of our yerli ve milli weaponry are unlicensed copies likes of fn mag and minimi
>>65381402waiting for CMP to complete my 7.62NATO coldwar gang
>>65387901While your waiting have you thought about installing a railed Top cover on your FAL?
>>65381696CADPAT TW would be the best choice.
>>65379806>Heavy, clunky,The only issue is the charging handle being a bitch to use for armlets and no LRBHO.It's not particularly heavy for a battle rifle.The trigger is kind of ass I have to admit but still not the worst I've seen on a service rifle.>inaccurateMust've been totally shot out because my chepo Paki G3 shoots significantly tighter groups than my L1A1 FAL even with shitty Brazil and Paki surplus ammo. If anything G3 are known for being on the more accurate side of battle rifles thanks to the roller delayed system not fucking with barrel harmonics unlike pistons.>>65382196You can still get these and their gen 2 successors in surplus stores in yurop.The gen 2 is still surprisingly viable and takes standard C size batteries.
>>65378703>>no last round hold openwhy is this so important to people? half the world doesn't have an issue with this. ie AK users. the bolt hold open thing is a speed up from a reload aspect but watch most combat footage the speed reload doesn't seem to be a constant thing for rifles. if you are standing in the open to reload fast or not you're a fucking idiot, get behind some shit. bho is important if you're making videos
>>65380908laying down it puts you up a bit too high, but....the 40 rounders are retarded but i feel like they are gunshow silliness like 30 round 1911 mags that are just long steel sticks shit.
>>65388491>why is this so important to peopleAside from the obvious, every single reload necessitates the use of a charging handle, this combined with the fact the CH is located all the way near the muzzle and kind of a bitch to operate if you're a wristlet doesn't do much to endear the rifle to first timers.
>>65388491>>65388528For people who haven't held one before; the CH is folded forward "out of the way" when not in use.In order to flip it to the charging position, you need to overcome the resistance of the rollers that delay the bolt (the rest is easy because the remainder of the way you only need to overcome the recoil spring).This makes it surprisingly hard to operate and I personally had to work it for multiple people I took to the range who were literally physically incapable of moving it.
>>65379806>>65380241>>65380330Same. Aside from the foot marches and ~10% of my company being absolute feral apes, having to carry a G3 around was probably the least enjoyable aspect of my service. Too long, too heavy, a massive cunt to clean. Everyone hated them and wished we'd get issued Galils or ARs instead.
>>65388491> half the world doesn't have an issue with this. ie AK users.The AK's charging handle situation isn't anywhere near as fucked as the G3's.
>>65388551lift more faggot
>>65388604Reading is hard.
>>65388551Thanks for taking your girlfriend and homosexual twinkoids to the range, anon.>>65388584It's a gun made for White men. Go get into a tank if you're a manlet.
>>65388491>why is this so important to people? Because it's convenient and speeds up your reload.IMO, it's even less that, because the G3 has a clunkier reload than an AK, you can't insert a full mag on a closed bolt and just rack the bolt back back (and let it home), you need to lock the bolt open (manually), drop your mag, insert a new mag, then slap the bolt back home. This is literally a step back from the otherwise much worse Stg-44, and Stg-45(m) which it stems from.>half the world doesn't have an issue with this. ie AK users.Oh wow, the impoverished backwater militias rocking antiquated Combloc shit tell themselves that they're doing fine with what they have? That's such a strong argument, I bet that's why manual rifles with magazine cutoffs were actually perfectly fine in WW1 after all.
>>65388491>if you are standing in the open to reload fast or not you're a fucking idiot, get behind some shit. bho is important if you're making videosRidiculous and embarrassing cope, you must be from one of these impoverished third world nations. I bet you're still even using dogshit old 7.62x39mm. It's still better to reload faster even when taking cover, you mongoloid retard.>>65388551Also, you get a huge slot in the side where sand likes to get in and seize up the gun.>>65388553They ARE filthy fucking guns, just absolute pigs.>>65388659>It's a gun made for White men.Like the M16 and FAL, which are much better? White countries still using G3s have them on rear echelon duty because they are old and inferior, or they are so impoverished/militarily underfunded that they just can't afford to upgrade from their worn out Cold War era arsenal, and then the others are using them because they're some African shithole and they have some old G3 variants to fill up their motley ranks of military aid and captures.
>>65388659embarrassing noguns shitter energy
>>65379806I owned a PTR91 (American HK91 basically) and I hated the fucking thing as well.
>>65388294Was going to leave it as is, except to get that soldered on ban era muzzle brake off and put on a stoll device. But apparently whoever soldered on my brake in DSA decades ago, went overboard and I opted to just cut the barrel down to a 17" configuration. So maybe I'll get a railed cover, or even a para kit.
>>65388551>In order to flip it to the charging position, you need to overcome the resistance of the rollers that delay the boltThat sounds a bit poorly designed compared to the folding L1A1 handle
>>65379806every veteran i have met that was in the norwegian army when it was issued loved it
>>65389751It's intentionally designed that way. There's a curved surface on the part of charging handle that's inside the cocking tube, it works as a cam to push the bolt the first tenth of an inch or so back with big leverage to "unstick" the bolt and push the rollers in. If it wasn't there and you were just pulling straight back it would have been even more difficult to open the bolt. That's why the SL7 and SL8 hunting rifles also have a flip-out handle. Apparently it's not an issue with an MP5 that has different angle that the rollers rest against and therefore less resistance.My experience with my friend's G3 is that folding out the charging handle is not overly stiff, but the handle is very far forward and tends to bind in the groove if you don't do the fold-out-and-pull movement just right. Strangely, it does not bind when you snap the sling carabiner into the hole in the charging handle and use the sling to pull it, so the solution to the binding problem was to tie a braided paracord pull tab to the hole and grab that to charge the gun.With my L1A1 the charging handle is easy to unfold but the initial movement of the bolt is sometimes really heavy, esp. when the hammer was dropped. Some say that's a feature of the tilting bolt design but I doubtr that since my SKS doesn't behave the same way... Maybe it's just a character-building feature added to the L1A1.
>>65390015That's really nothing inherent to tilting bolts, no, you're entirely correct about that.
>>65378654I like my PTR 91, but i think the AR-15 surpasses it in every way, and the AK in most ways.I do think the MP5 is the best SMG ever made, though.
>>65390298I think the action shines better for pistol calibers. The MP5/10 being in both 10mm Auto and having a proper LRBHO makes it actually an incredibly good SMG.
>>65381503...isnt there 243 win?
>>65390015>but the initial movement of the bolt is sometimes really heavyI wouldn't characterize it as heavy, it's no AR but you don't have to be particularly strong to get it to move
>>65390342MP5/40 mogs it
>>65390960>weaker and wimpier cartridge>moggingDelusion.
>>65392968the MP5/40 is a better submachine gun10 mm, might as well have an HK 53 in 5.56 or BLK
>>65393039Conjecture. 10mm from a carbine barrel gives you much better ballistics than .40, and it does so with a fraction of the noise, blast, and flash of 5.56mm from a comparable length barrel.You could make it even smaller than any usable 5.56mm carbine, also.
>>65387901Hell yeah, how do you like the Spuhr parts?
>>65383090
>>65393393MP5s in 10 mm suck donkey balls.Get a .300 Blackout or HK 53MP5/40 rules
>>65389867>norwegian army>loved itThere's your answer right there.Strong whites love it and always will. Whereas browns and manlets hate it.It's a polarizing platform.
>>65390342Got to shoot this in my fed days, it was [chef’s kiss].
>>65394058Is that why strong and tall whites largely preferred the FAL?>>65393943I'm sure your wrangler will come and pick you up sooner or later.>>65394096Um, no, didn't you hear, the .40 Shitty & Weak one is like, totally better!
>>65394533Does that have a BHO? I like .40, but who is gonna pass up a 10mm MP5?
>>65396221MP5/40 and 10 share the same essential mechanism (different breech & chamber obviously), magazines, and bolt hold open.>who is gonna pass up a 10mm MP5me, so I can get three or four MP5/40s
>>65378703I have one and it's fine. I'll give you the optics thing though. But that is easily solved with a welded rail. The biggest problem I think, which is also easily solved, is that the damn things didn't have a paddle mag release. That fucking sucks. You gotta really reach to hit that button.
>>65390960>>65393039>>65393943>>65396479Such an odd contrarianism to see on /k/.
>>65393407I like the buttstock, mixed on the handguard because you have to buy their rail sections. But the handguard doesn’t have any play in it because there’s two tiny tightening screws in the rear that bites into the cocking tube, which was something I didn’t like with MI’s G3 handguard, which had a bit of play.
>>65380925That gave me ADHD and a peanut allergy
>>65399056>you have to buy their rail sectionsOh no kidding. I had a B&T rail on a PTR I traded for an AK-74 years ago. I really wish I could still get one. And yeah MI's were too inexpensive to be good haha.
>>65378654Agreed, out of her peers she's accidentally the most modern of the big 3 and when measured against the AK (G3 is the real western equivalent to the AK) she stands heads and shoulders above her eastern rival>>65392968IIRC the 10s would beat themselves to death very quickly especially when fed the hot stuff. Even FBI load 10 wore them out fast. No clue on how much of a difference 40 made, but I like 40 so it's equally tits to me as a 10 is
>>65402134>IIRC the 10s would beat themselves to death very quicklyIt has a recoil buffer to prevent that. It cannot possibly be worse than a HK53 in that regard.
>>65402134>wore them out fast>especially when fed the hot stuffYep. That's why MP5/40 mogs the 10For a 'real' MP5/10 (same principle as for most of the boutique 10 mm handguns) the firearm needs to be highly reinforced and built up in its basic engineering design. Not that HK didn't 'do a good job' with the MP5/10, merely that for long term continuous use of that caliber in the weapon it needed to be built into something beyond an actual MP5. Try starting with a short-barrel G3 and rechambering it in 10 mm (for random example) that might've given it the required solidity durability and robustness.10 mm—for both handguns and submachine guns—is far more trouble than it's worth, imho. Others will disagree and have good fun with their 10 mms, I get that and good on them; enjoy.
>>65402143>recoil bufferLittle difference (if any besides the breech, chamber) between the MP5/40 and /10 component build. Read post below (You)He's talking about all internal components and receiver itself being rapidly auto-destroyed. (not solely exclusively just 'muh buffer')
>>65379859what "real experience"? they got conscripted and turned up at their local military base to get ass raped for pennies on the dollar then discharged. notice how that post has no description of actual firing experience
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>>65379814If it was perfect the first time wouldn't it just be the M2A1?
>>65379849>having to march 50 miles with it through some swamp shitholeThere is no rifle that conscripts won't have after having to carry it 50 miles through some swamp. That makes your opinion extra meaningless.
>>65396511So easily solved, in fact, that they have had paddle mag releases since they were originally designed and manufactured.
>>65402357As someone who's had to do it, I would MUCH rather march through a swamp with an M4 rather than a G3
>>65378654I don't want to give Pakistan credit but their G3/AR10 hybrid looks kind of cool. G3 upper with the roller system and slap handle with an AR10 lower and recoil mitigation. Build quality looks iffy. I'd like to see what a properly equipped western firm could come up with if set with those same goals.
>>65380211I shot with one and it did not felt to bad. I think the problem is the difference in ethnicity as a german Soldier probably has a lot stronger gripstrengh than the average brown conscript. When my father was serving they used the rifle and he had nothing to complain about it. He just said it was normal easy to shoot rifle.
