Now Upgraded nuclear-powered missile cruiser Admiral Nakhimov received 80 UKSK vertical launch cells for Kalibr, Oniks, and Zircon cruise missiles also now carries 96 vertical launch cells for surface-to-air missile systems.
>>65379886>gets ganked by one little zoomieblowiebote
>>65379886that bitch looks top heavy as hell
>>65379886>80 UKSK vertical launch cells for Kalibr, Oniks, and Zircon cruise missiles also now carries 96 vertical launch cells for surface-to-air missile systems.That’s going to be an amazing light show when it eats a flamingo.
>>65379895>>65379900What is its port of call? Is it in range of anything?
>>65379895nah, this thing has an insane amount of point kinetic defense in addition to the RBUs. If anything takes it down, it'll be maintenance costs. Though in a realistic war scenario it just gets cracked open by a torpedo and is allowed to be towed back to port to take up space and manpower. Assuming there is a port to go back to after the tomahawk storm is over.
Im not even sure why they bother wasting money and manpower on this thing
>>65379903>What is its port of call?Does it matter? The Ukies were droning Kotlin Island off St. Petersburg the other week.>>65379916Further proof that ships are holes in the water that you pour money into.
>>65379920Cheaper than a new hull for something that will be entirely a propaganda piece. Xaxaxaxa look at this mighty of ship, HATO dogs, and tremble. For the gloves have met the ass and the eggs are counted!It will probably never leave port. Certainly never in range of anything Ukraine has. Although considering the operating costs, they might be smarter to allow zigeria to continue to bankrupt themselves on vanity campaigns.
>>65379886It's gonna make a very nice reef.
>>65379886IT NEEDS TO BE TALLER
>>65379953
>>65379916Didn't the Moskwa also have "unbeatable" air defence?
>>65379969What does that have to do with what I said?
>>65379920???You can now launch 80 cruise missiles at the same time at civilians in kyiv
>>65379984i believe his point is that air search radar and fire control radar and general air defense capabilites of the Kirovs and Slavas are broadly similar, S-300s, though the kirov now has newer ones better at dealing with ballistic missiles, the same geckos, better CIWS than the useless AK-630s but still not good with Pantsir-Ms
>>65379920It's basically part of the propaganda budget. Lot of thirdie cunts will make 1 or maybe 2 "next gen" (lol) designs so that they can save face internationally and use it for internal propaganda. In reality they're useless by themselves.
>>65379920They need another plausible embezzlement scheme since Kuznetsov was finally put out of its misery
>>65379965TALLER
>>65379969That rust bucket that Ukraine sank early in the war? It would be a shock if its weapon systems were actually functional.
>>65379996Don't speak for him. He's an off topic idiot and so are you.
>>65379969They were turned off at the time.
>>65380009
>>65379950an undersea chernobyl?
>>65380036>*slaps her deck*>"That bitch can fry SO MANY birds!"
>>65380036Welcome back IJN.
>>65380023the admiral nakhimov's air defense capabilities are off topic in the thread about the admiral nakhimov's refit weaponry? amazing
>>65379916>cracked open by a torpedo>towed back to portIs that really a viable option for a boat without a keel, sitting down where it's better, under the sea?
>>65379896Still not as top heavy as some WWII Japanese ships.
>>65379886>Sinks itself the first time it encounters a trawler in the North Sea
>>65379969Yes, but ziggers are gonna memoryhole that just like the "unsinkable" memes they were posting.
>>65379886>took 30 years to refit>30 yearsoof, how long until it gets sunk by a neptune? Why is Russia obsessed with throwing good money at bad?
>>65379916That's what you said about moskva
The best defense of this boat is that it's nuclear-powered. Not even the ukies would want another chernobyl on their waters
>>65380205it's in the north sea
>>65380023
>>65380036TALLER! Blyat!
>>65380205Water is a perfect attenuator for radiaton.
>>65380205But imagine the beautiful blue glow of the Black Sea!Turks wouldn't mind it either, they're biologically immune to radiation
>>65380035Surely they'll be turned on next time, right?
>>65380202where did i say anything about air defense?
>>65380205Fuck you, yeah we would (more installments for Stalker), at least it wouldn't be here
>>65379886All those missiles, imagine getting hit.>inb4 ship got sunk by a stupid drone with a Genade.
>>65380205>The best defense of this boat is that it's nuclear-powered. Not even the ukies would want another chernobyl on their watersThe centre of the Black Sea is an abyss that is very, very deep.It has almost no water movement either so everything is just going to sit in a radioactive puddle at the bottom like a brine lake.
>>65380011You mean the flagship of the Black Sea fleet?Yeah, it’s defenses weren’t working well. But that’s the point, Russia (and the Soviets before them) never put in the maintenance they needed, so even if they were top of the line ships on paper, in reality half of their systems would be unrepairable.You saw the same situation with their subs. They’d be fairly quiet fresh out of the dry dock, but after a couple years worth of patrols, they’d start getting louder and louder as the machinery went without proper maintenance.
>>65380036Very honurabur
>>65380350copium
>>65379903The Northern Fleet HQ which is in Murmansk, I think
>>65379969It was revealed that the radar didn't work due to lack of maintenance
>>65379886Imagine Russia's nuclear butt blasting when this expensive turd goes to the moon.
>>65380036>Ho, you're approaching me?
>>65379886Is all the emergency equipment locked away so it doesn't get stolen.
>>65379969Kirov is a considerably more defended warship.Moskva had the following anti missile systems.VLS S300'sTwin arm Osa missiles6 AK630 30mm CIWS (most of which apparently non-operational)Kirov hasVLS S300VLS SAN9's8 missiles ready on each Kashtan/Pantsir mount (it has 6 of them, 3 on each side)And 12 30mm guns on 6 twin mounts.It's not really comparable.
>>65381235Provided they actually work, of course.
>>65380201>Why is Russia obsessed with throwing good money at bad?it's not about enhancing their military capability, it's about enriching the ruling class through graft
>>65381235That and Moskva's weapon systems were not functional because Russia let it rot over the years.
>>65379886>fuckton of anti-airit's going to be torpedoed by USVs, mark my words
>>65379903Severomorsk.
>>65381758>Severomorskwelp, it is out of range then.
>>65379886*flies towards you*
>>65379886Did they the take the fire extinguishers out of the lock boxes?
>>65381758>russian navy day>severe more riskSometimes the universe speaks to us
>>65380319>cherenkov radiation in the Syvash Baymite be cool, slavafunk 2077
>>65380235
>>65382588The job of the guys all the way up top is to jump into incoming missiles.
>>65382668They got wingsuits, they are the missiles!
>>65379886>80 UKSK vertical launch cells for Kalibr, Oniks, and Zircon cruise missiles Damn thats cool, so how many missiles do they have to load it with? 10? 15?
>>65382707>the bear's military degrades to a point where instead of missiles they send guys with suicide vests on paragliders
Lol it isn't even nuclear powered, the nuke reactor was so problematic they stuck some diesel boilers in to supplant it and called it a day. It literally rotted completely out of the water for 25 years! It's hilarious that anyone thinks it can be used as a positive propaganda piece instead of trying to sweep it under the rug like the abysmal failure it is. This is the same sad op making the trump ship threads lol
>>65383172>the bear's military degrades to a point where instead of missiles they send guys with suicide vests on paraglidersThere was an article just today about how Russia's missile production had peaked and they didn't have the ability to scale beyond the current production without literally stopping the war and production was likely to decline while the war continued.
>>65379886Why is an ancient ship like this able to get all these VLCs but not an LCS? The LCS has a huge amount of space where the mission modules were supposed to go.
>>65383186>The LCS has a huge amount of space where the mission modules were supposed to go.If you mean the US one, that had a mission module that was just VLCs.It's sort of a silly thing to plan for because why wouldn't you just use a burke/tycho or whatever missile boat you have but the option was there.It's hard to imagine a scenario where the logistics of keeping a mission module around (plus reloads and reloading facility) would be simpler or smaller than just sending a missile destroyer as well. I'm prepared to hear a case for it and one must have existed on paper for the design to get that far.I do wonder if any actually got built though, maybe one or two for testing and evaluation purposes.
>>65383186This ship is ten times the displacement of an LCS
>>65383172
>>65383186VLCs go way deeper below deck than people realize, the Nakhimov has room because they pulled out the 20 SS-N-19 Shipwrecks that were 10 meters long and weighed 7 tons each.
>>65381758Do you think their safety protocols improved since 1984?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severomorsk_Disaster
>>65383385Lol, lmao
>>65383385>On May 13, 1984, a fire started in the Okolnaya munitions depot on the outskirts of Severomorsk, the cause of which allegedly was that munitions had been stored too close together.Russians always come up with the funniest lies>don't put bomb next to bomb>goes off for no reason if too close
>>65379886Man, look at all of those antennas. Anyone have a graphic showing each one and its purpose?
>>65382588Where's the cope cage?
>>65383186>The LCS has a huge amount of space where the mission modules were supposed to go.First off, the mission modules go there. Secondly, those spaces are only ten feet deep, and an SM-2 is 16 feet long. And third, there is a surface-to-surface missile module with vertically launched Hellfires in service. Don't listen to the chink shills that say that the LCS modules don't exist; they're lying.
>>65383385>summer 1984>be student doing summer work experience at a major seismic reasearch station in west coast of CanadaI remember looking at a wall of seismographs and remember my mentor describing the sensitivity and mentioning that something big exploded in the russian north recently. Multiple detection chains caught and triangulated it.
>>65383360Are there still any around?
>>65383488Minsk zoo has a few and tried to start a breeding program but they have shown no interest in women.
>>65381451She just ended her multi-year refit in 2021, a year before she was sunk. The Kirov is going to be exactly the same: nothing works because the refit money was stolen to buy yachts and dacha's.
>>65383493:-D
>>65383493>Minsk zoo has a few and tried to start a breeding program but they have shown no interest in women.They should have realised that it's a memetic lifeform and spreads through dedovshchina of new candidate hosts.What I'm saying is, you need to feed them a fresh supply of recruits for reproduction to occur.
>>65383360>>65383488>>65383493>>65383757By the old Hostomel runway, looking eastward through the smoke,There’s a charred elite commander who became a local joke;For the drones are o'er the refineries, and the Wildberries seem to say:"Come you back, you fresh raped vatnik, come you back to Veh Deh Veh!"
>>65383852I started out singing this to Clancy of the Overflow but realised that it's a slightly different metre/tune.What's the original?https://youtu.be/ZB6K85PuQ_M
>>65383976>What's the original?Mandalay
Serious question: When this ship inevitably succumbs to being Russian and Naval AND Nuclear at the same time, what are the likely disaster scenarios and also what funny things happen if it gets droned?
>>65380201Holy shit. Who got thrown out the window for this gaffe?
>>65384210>Admiral NakhimovI just looked, the class namesake had a core containment emergency and got towed to a death dock.NICE
>>65379886It's a POS but I'll be damned if it doesn't look good. From a distance.
>>65384591>From a distance.ehh.. closer looks also not that bad.
>>65379886Do ships like this have elevators or do you have to take the stairs up and down?
>>65379886>In Red Storm Rising, a Kirov is sunk by a Danish diesel boat while covering an amphibious landing in Norway Tom Clancy, you son of a bitch! Nostradamus over here.
>>65385577did the danes have anechoic coating in the 80's?
>>65385284Stairs. Very steep stairs. More like ladders really. Or sometimes just outright ladders.
>>65380376It's not actually very deep at all.
>>65380376Kursk was nuclear powered, you could probably fire pic back up because the nuke scrammed itself and the bulkheads held up.
>>65380376>>65385771I get a fellign one of you is talking about the northern coastal waters near Ukrain, while the othe ris talking about the actual deep part of the Black Sea....and the Admiral Nakhimov ain't going to be found in either.
>>65385771>It's not actually very deep at all.If you're going to call someone a liar, you should bring receipts or you just look stupid.If you'd gone to the trouble of proving what you claim, you'd have discovered your error before you posted and not looked like a fool.>>65385806>I get a feeling one of you is talking about the northern coastal waters near Ukraine, while the other is talking about the actual deep part of the Black Sea.This is probably true but I did say:>>65380376>The centre of the Black Sea is an abyss that is very, very deep.So I think I was pretty clear about what part I'm talking about.It's an abyssal plain technically but with essentially no water currents or life.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euxine_abyssal_plain>...and the Admiral Nakhimov ain't going to be found in either.No, that is true.It would be the Barents Sea and that is relatively shallow, the river that SeveralMorsels is mostly 100m which is fine for a sub to get out quietly but not much good for sinking a radioactive embarrassment in.
>>65383414Hope this helps, best I could find.
>>65385619Small diesels don't need them if they are set up to park on the bottom or can tether to the oceans floor. The Cheonan got sunk by what is probably the most basic sub in service anywhere and it was using ASW sonar better than anything Russia has at the time.
>>65386148You're so wrong it's beyond belief. And didn't even have the common curtesy to answer the bloody question. Don't be that guy.
>>65386155Well i don't know what set up the Danes had in Clancy's undoubtedly misinformed scenario but the circumstances of the Cheonan sinking are well know as is the basic bitch nature of the diesel electric that did it. I am confident that the Cheonan in 2010 had better ASW sonar than Russia did in the mid 1980s.
>>65382588Gorious!>orbital lift deployed
>>65386222The russians had amazing sonars on their large surface ships in that era which is why the US navy thought it was so important to make their nuclear submarines so ridiculously quiet that they could style on diesel boats. The Cheonan had a low power version of the infamous hellen keller sonar from the late 70s and no towed array. It was easy pickings - assuming it didn't just strike a mine. But the lack of anechoic coating is a big disadvantage vs a sprint and drift active sweep from a Udaloy or even the Kirov himself. Those ships had sonars so powerful that they could boil the sea water. They also had helicopters with dipping sonars for creeping line searches. You cannot compare that to a cheap corvette on its own. It's delusional.
>>65386310Well clearly i was misinformed, my throwaway post has instead been highly informative. I had assumed that Russian sonar sucked. That said i was under the distinct impression that small diesel electrics that can 'land' on the bottom and mostly shut themselves down are a major pain in the ass, especially if they are in shallow waters on the edge of a shelf where things are naturally noisy and have lots of thermal layers. .
>>65385577I thought it was Norwegian. USS Chicago sinks a Slava or Krivak that either gives them the opening or allows them to escape.
>>65386310PING PING PING run for the stolen fire extinguishers and then the life boats that are in Cuba when you last went there.Our government are corrupt cnuts too.
>>65386342It's not ping on those large soviet ships, it's more like dubstep.
>>65379896Just how I like them.
>>65386323Might be. I'm too lazy to open my copy. Sidenote: I've got a lot of gripes with Clancy's scenario in Red Storm Rising.
>>65386323Grok told me it was a Norwegian Kobben which according to Jane's fighting ships was helpless against large surface combatants and more suited for ASW and small surface vessels with high frequency sonars. I've never read red storm rising but I know that a lot of the realism Tom Clancy wanted to include in his works was removed because the department of war gave him the stink eye. They couldn't even tell him what in particular was classified - he had to guess.
>>65386365>It's not ping on those large soviet ships, it's more like dubstep.Would you know how or if one could find an example on youtube?
>>65386391>They couldn't even tell him what in particular was classified - he had to guess.I don't know what the lead time on getting their opinion about his current proposed manuscript was...but I know the precise algorithm to minimise the number of attempts it takes to get approval with the minimum number of changes required to identify the exact items that are classified.I sometimes wonder how people who haven't studied CS view the world. Do you just stumble through life going on gut feel and hope it works out for teh best?
>>65386365One ping only Vasily.
>>65386443>BRAAAP
>>65386404I tried for hours one time to find an example that is publicly available but all I could find were sqs-56 and 53. It's how ex-submariners have described the Horse Jaw active sweep.
>>65386404Not what you asked for but you may be interested in this fathometer interception. https://dosits.org/galleries/audio-gallery/anthropogenic-sounds/multibeam-echosounder/
>>65386404>>65386507also an american surtass ship lfa pulsehttps://dosits.org/galleries/audio-gallery/anthropogenic-sounds/surtass-lfa-sonar-sound/
>>65386320> I had assumed that Russian sonar sucked. That’s because their passive sonar does indeed suck donkey dick. Their active is pretty damn good, but active sonar in general is…inadvisable.
>>65386500>I tried for hours one time to find an example that is publicly availableI appreciate the effort.>but all I could find were sqs-56 and 53. It's how ex-submariners have described the Horse Jaw active sweep.I'll take those if you can link them.>>65386507>Not what you asked for but you may be interested in this fathometer interceptionI am particularly the high-frequency complex one, very interested.I really have/had no basis to form an expectation of what it would sound like.I didn't even really know whether the Vasily-ping is realistic. So actual audio of it is quite interesting to me.
>>65386535there is a mid frequency recording on that site as well. there are a bunch that may or may not be real on youtube but you have to sift through the relaxation slop
>>65386541>there are a bunch that may or may not be real on youtube but you have to sift through the relaxation slopYeah, that's why I asked.I did some simple searching first and the search results were the wrong kind of noisy.
>>65380076Jesus fuck how are you expected to just climb up and down that thing. What the fuck is even that high up?
>>65386554Scuba divers have supposedly recorded them by accident. The videos could be fake but the sounds are often accurate.
>>65386559>Jesus fuck how are you expected to just climb up and down that thing. Climbing has always been a core activity of sailing.You'd be surprised how physically active sailing is, somewhat less on a battleship than a yacht I suppose but still more than you think.>What the fuck is even that high up?Imagine how it was in the crow's nest during the age of sail.
>>65386581>Climbing has always been a core activity of sailing.Yes, I'm aware. My shitty knee is a testament of having to carrying heavy shit up and down narrow ladder wells but even getting to the wheel house wasn't that much of an effort. That just seems utterly pointless which was proven correct by their lose and destruction.
>>65386559Here is a close up of the IJN FUSOs pagoda mast. I don't remember exactly, but I think there were some weird treaties from between WW1 and WW2 that somehow ended up creating these huge towers.(there is a crane in the background, that part doesn't belong to the mast)
>>65386635
>>65386129The black sea in general is unusually anoxic in it’s lower levels, due to this, numerous highly preserved historical artefacts have been found in it’s depth, the humiliation of the moskva will remain etched in those deep cold waters for a long time.
>>65386635>I don't remember exactly, but I think there were some weird treaties from between WW1 and WW2 that somehow ended up creating these huge towers.Nah, Japan just didn't want to do a full superstructure rebuild as advances in technology demanded more and more superstructure space for all the new toys.
>>65386630>That just seems utterly pointless which was proven correct by their lose and destructionI'm not sure you can attribute the defeat of the IJN to the wear and tear on the patella of their sailors.
>>65386660>the humiliation of the moskva will remain etched in those deep cold waters for a long timeThe Moskva sank in 25m of water.Ukrainian and Romanian Gypsies both will be looting the wreck and taking tourists for diving tours through the pride of the Black Sea Fleet./k/ should have better awareness of this sailing tool.https://map.openseamap.org/?zoom=16.8&lon=30.92504&lat=45.17856&layers=TFTFFTTFFTFFFFFFTFFFTT
>>65386743I wonder if any special forces went in and recovered the crypto gear.
>>65386949>I wonder if any special forces went in and recovered the crypto gear.If they didn't then I want my fucking taxes back.
>>65386949>>65387015You guys really think they had to?
>>65386743>looting the wreckdon't forget!the russians claimed to have a piece of the true cross of jesus christ on the moskava at the time of sinking
>>65381235>SA-N-9literally nobody claims it has SA-N-9 installed. imagery does not show it>S-300/400kneecapped if the onboard AWACS helis go down, only 40N6E has the option for an ARH seeker, the other missiles all rely on radar illumination. you've got a modernized radar but it's still fundamentally the same system as on the Moskva.>kashtan/pantsirhalf-correction guidance, same as the Osas, simultaneous engagements are dodgy at best. also we've seen pantsir's performance against low-level targets (not good). really just replacing the AK-630s and having 2 more launchers per side for close-in missiles.more importantly, this ship isn't going up against Ukraine and Harpoonskyivs, it's going up against China with Type 052s spamming Chang-librs (with the supersonic terminal rocket stages) and (potentially) YJ-20s, the USN with LRASSM and MK-48 spam, or Japan with Type 12 and ASM-3 spam. all of the weapons it would face are FAR more advanced than Harpoonskyiv, and would be fired in far larger barrages. the pacific fleet would have been better off with more numerous smaller combatants than with one big target, especially now that countries are finally waking up to the idea of spamming a fuckton of cheapo missiles.
>>65387455Thanks ChatGPT!
>>65387499>ROSSIYA STRONK>ANYBODY WHO SAYS OTHERWISE IS CHATGP-ACK
>>65386949Memes aside, the Russians had several other ships in close attendance and abandoned ship in a somewaht organized manner. They SHOULD have removed codebooks, and destroyed cryptographic machinery and electronics. This is a normal part of an organized abandon ship procedure.
>>65380036>>65382588don't forget to put some firepower at the topRUSSIA STRONK
At this point Russia's only defense is the threat that their destroyed vessel will cause a major environmental hazard. Sink it anyway, Ukraine. Fuck 'em. A little radiation never hurt anyone.t. Japanese
>>65387503>Thread about Kirovs>Posts MoskvaLmao
ukraine ruined the russian navy's image to me. soviet era ship design looks like it could take a hit and just buff it off later
>>65387576>fundamentally has same defenses, only gains a modernized radar set and 2 more close-in launchers per side>is up against far more sophisticated opponents with far more resources available to them>UMMMMM THIS ONE (1) SINGULAR MODERNIZED KIROV MEANS ROSSIYA STRONK
>>65387591They have considerably different defences.
>>65387604>S-300/400>short range command guided missile with dubious performance (Osa vs 57E6)>AK-630 vs Kashtan / Pantsir 30 mmyes, I'm sure going from 1 to 3 launchers per side will make a huge difference when it gets targeted by chicom/usn/nip AShMs
>>65387628>Yes they are differentI know that.
>>65387586The whole "special military operation" steamroller effect died that one day.Apparently the Fulda Gap would have been a Fulda traffic queue and the guys with L60s could sleep easy.
>>65387586That was always the wrong impression.Their entire surface fleet was a one-shot weapon aimed at keeping NATO carriers and surface ships away from the Barents Sea, and maybe helping their submarines in the Norwegian and Greenland seas.Their big missile cruisers and destroyers were all built to volley their bigass AShM, and then maybe hopefully somehow not die.>>65387651>Fulda traffic queue Let's not forget the NATO air forces.Or the fact that if the Soviets want to rush into the North German Plain they have to cross the Elbe.
>>65383385>For about an hour and a half, sporadic blasts occurred at the supply depot, that resulted in the deaths of between 200–300 people,[11] most of whom were ordnance technicians that had been "sent into the fire in a desperate but unsuccessful effort to defuse or disassemble munitions before they exploded", according to The New York Times.It's kind of indicative of how fucked up Russians are when someone orders you to run into an exploding ammo depot to dissemble and remove missiles and you just go ahead and do it.
>>65380035I'm pretty sure it was due to the fact that they couldn't have the Air Defence Radar and the AA Tracking Radar on at the same time, so they had to turn it off to lock onto the Bayraktar and then got a AshM up the aft deck for their troubles.
>>65388102They also had few or no working fire extinguishers. Allegedly.
>>65379886I'll believe any of that when it starts taking objectives with those supposed missiles that totally exist and that they would totally put on this showpiece instead of distributing and using to stabilize the front.
>>65383198>because why wouldn't you just use a burkeBecause you don't want to tie 400 people to a job that could be done by 50
>>65388126Pretty much this. They can’t hit Ukraine from Murmansk with this missiles, and they’ve recently become using missiles more than drones (definitely because Ukraine is struggling to shoot them down, but possibly also due to fuel shortages affecting drone launches). We know that Russia has stripped outlying areas of military resources (including S-300 batteries from around St Petersburg), so why aren’t they from the Admiral Nakhimov? Because the missiles aren’t on there. Maybe the cells have been put in, but the cells will be empty.
>>65379886That's a big ship
>>65388218>>65388218>>65388218>>65388218
>>65387638how much more are you going to cope and deny reality, pidor?
>>65388358What I am wondering is why you think a 20+ thousand ton nuclear battlecruiser is not a credible threat to anything?
>>65388390Because it can't get close enough to the coast to do anything or it will get blown to shit by anti ship missiles, it can't go out on the open sea or it will get blown to shit by submarines.It's useless in the hands of Russia.You need a working aircraft carrier to prepare the coastline for opeartions and you need a working fleet to protect it during anti shipping missions.A lonely ship will never be a danger to anyone.
>>65386526Wait a moment. If active sonar is potentially suicidal and their passive sonar sucks why isn't bottom lurking a viable tactic?
>>65388396Right, but we're more interested in how cool it is, not how effective it'd be at fighting the entire USN fleet.
>>65379886Why is it flying the Japanese and English flags?
>>65388453hitler was right about those 'people' we should've continued his work in 1945but instead, we rewarded them by handing over the entirety of poland, a country they helped to invade, and gave them an entire navy to rape the japs with, and spread communism all over east asianow they shit up my favorite image board with endless seething and mental illness because one corrupt ex-soviet shithole thinks it's somehow better than the other
>>65388825dilate
filtered post above
>>65388825>"""we""">t. would've been second-class slave labor at best
>>65388887that way i could feel the life drain out of your malnourished body with my bare hands because gloves were for the sorry bastards on the siberian front
>>65387576>Posts MoskvaIt’s funny because it has been their flagship.
>>65380038>>65380205>muh ChernobylYou know what provides some of the best radiation shielding known to man? A few meters of water.
>>65386559>What the fuck is even that high up?Radar and radio antennas, optical rangefinders, fire directors, lookouts etc.
>>65387638>Yes, they are not meaningfully differentFTFY.
