No innawoods bullshit, how does one genuinely survive this shit and the coming years?
Innawoods bullshit is the only way to survive MAD, every population center is going to get nuked.
>>65380345most niggers doing innawoods will probably die of radiation poisoning from radioactive fallout
>>65380342Whatever the remaining government tells me. There is no protocol, and I am insignificant in the conflict.
>>65380342>No innawoods bullshit, how does one genuinely survive this shit and the coming years?Imma level with you, brother anon. You don't want to survive a nuclear war. The life you'll have after somehow escaping the blast and radiation, will make you wish you were gone with the blast wave.
>>65380342>how does one genuinely survive this shit and the coming years?Why would you want to?What level of survival are you prepared to accept?Maybe you can live for a while afterward but unless you have a megabunker with extensive hydroponics and go totally vegan maybe with some eggs; the food you eat, including stuff you hunt or grow yourself, will get contaminated sooner or later.You're basically still going to die of radiation related cancers or whatever in a while, assuming a cut finger doesn't take you out because your antibiotics expired a year ago and so have all the ones you could possibly loot.
>>65380390>You're basically still going to die of radiation related cancers or whatever in a while, assuming a cut finger doesn't take you out because your antibiotics expired a year ago and so have all the ones you could possibly loot.This.
>>65380386>make you wish you were gone with the blast wave
>>65380345Innawoods bullshit is in no way a way to survive. There isn't going to be any food left after a single month, and any warbands or groups of survivors will come and rape you.The only way to survive is to be a part of a strong enough group to sustain itself through and after the collapse.Survival is found in numbers. You can not and will not survive on your own, or with your family. You need a community.
>>65380342>no innawoodsIf you're a urbanite your only hope is to die in the flash: the modern world is so interconnected and has so many points of failure it's not even fun. First thing to go is the grid, since all powerplants are a strategic target, and without a baseline the grind just won't stay up. No electricity means no refrigeration, no telecommunication, no advanced hospital care, no fresh water supply, no waste water management, just to name a few. Then all petroleum products disappear because all refineries are strategic targets, and without those you can say goodbye to backup generators, high volume transports, intensive agriculture, again just to name a few. You can see how such an event would spell death for the vast majority of the global population, and those who remain probably won't be able to get back to the starting point in centuries since you can be damn sure most knowledge will be lost with the death of scholars and professionals, and with digital data becoming inaccessible, and textbook becoming ash.
>>65380342Keep calm and adapt to changing circumstances.Yes, it sounds trite. But most of the damage from a Global Thermonuclear War (at least in the US) would be economic chaos as a result of mass panic. Most of the deaths would be from Famine and Pestilence, not War. And how you survive will depend on when, where, and who you are, and what your community is like. Thus, there is no generic advice that I can give you, other than staying as calm and rational as you can, and adjusting to your specific circumstances. For most people, your neighbors will be a vital resource, and I don't mean looting them.
>>65380342Move to Oregon
>>65380342Prepare for innawoods bullshit, for one.Get weapons, obviously, but you need to prep to do as much as possible on your own. Get knives. Spare ones, too, in case one breaks or gets lost or stolen, or maybe you want to trade one or give it as a gift. Ammunition - you literally do not know when or if you will get more. Just general survivalist and disaster prep stuff tuned up to 11.If you're really concerned, then try living away from immediate nuclear blastzones butNone of this will save you in the long term - eventually, you'll need friends, or ideally you can find them beforehand - but for personal preperation it's all about being thorough and redundant. Also, learn as many useful skills as possible.Ultimately, it's impossible to know what a post-nuclear world would look like, or how it would develop, so, to re-iterate, you need to prepare as much as possible for the worst outcomes, that is total societal breakdown.
>>65380430>but moving is kind've hardoopsie
Hiroshima and Nagasaki were immediately rebuilt and remain large cities to this dayThe Chornobyl exclusion zone is lush with fauna and flora, with only certain sections being imminently dangerousDon't believe falloutfags who claim a nuclear war would render the planet uninhabitable; if you are in a remote enough place you would be alright
>>65380342Fallout shelter lololololololol.
>>65380390>What level of survival are you prepared to accept?Everything. I am more than willing to kill and eat (You) personally to survive.
>>65380345>MAD>pusg the big red putin button>missles fail to launch>warheads still detonate in silos>russia now baja china Still funny.
>>65380427>bme>fucking my navajo wife>liveNice.
>>65380442>I am more than willing to kill and eat (You) personally to survive.Then you should seriously consider not surviving at all.
>>65380457Said by someone who doesn't want to survive. What a joke.
I don't. I made sure to live within fireball radius of a primary infrastructure target. Later virgins.
>>65380342Don't live in a capital cityDon't not have any friendsDon't be a useless antisocial disabled nonfuctioning invalid who takes a cocktail of meds and has sensory issuesDon't worry, since nothing ever actually happens
>>65380345nonsense. south america and africa would be untouched. russia doesnt even have working nukes and the chinese arent retarded to use nukes offensively
>>65380435>Hiroshima and Nagasaki were immediately rebuiltIn your own picture it took at least 9 months to restore proper water functionality and the actual clearing and rebuilding took over a decade just to get the worst of it out of the way.In the immideate aftermath there were massive shortages of food and water, and all of that is with the rest of the country (and later, it's sponsors for the war recovery) still standing. It's like saying one cut is perfectly survivable so a couple thousand shouldn't be an issue.
>>65380356nuclear winter and fallout isnt likely with modern bombs
>>65380459>Said by someone who doesn't want to survive. What a joke.I just don't want to be eaten by you.Your survival clearly reduces my chances of survival.
>>65380435>nuclear war would render the planet uninhabitableBesides a lot of the nuclear winter apocalypse shilling was done by CCCP propped peacenik "scientists" to inflate the significance of their expensive nuke arsenal. So even seemingly legit papers and articles are nothing but biased fear mongering.
>>65380478Thank God the technology of the apocalypse has become so advanced and benign. But I do note irony.
>>65380482Nta but I’d probably fuck your body before I ate you.I’m going to be absolutely crazy and wild if I’m going to survive the big igloo haha
Nuclear war would be the best thing ever to happen to the world at this pointBillions of useless brown eaters would die en masse from the famineAll globohomo technological progress would haltDestruction of concrete hellholes and financial centers would kill the gay (((service economy))) and would be replaced with agrarian and small cottage industries (for a while anyway) I would die (biggest benefit imo)
>>65380507Sadly, no. We've used up enough of our the Earths' easily accessible mineral and fossil fuel stockpile to the extent that whatever civilization comes after us will never reach the heights we have.If our Western civilization collapses, our only hope as a species is alien intervention.That's specifically why ideological, dialectical leftists, trying to create antitheses for our civilization are fundamentally evil. They're essentially dooming our entire species.
>>65380498>I’m going to be absolutely crazy and wild if I’m going to survive the big igloo hahaPretty sure you just get hunted down like a dog.The actual communities will probably pay bounty hunters to go bring your corpse in.You'll be a sidequest in someone else's post-apocalypse story.
>>65380547Realistically, a good chunk of those communities would have stories about going hog wild while trying to survive.They'd just collectively forget them and accept them, so long as the wildlings themselves adapt to civilization. Otherwise, they'll get treated like wendigos - killed at the first opportunity.
>>65380342read this, it's great, accurate and free.https://oism.org/nwss/nwss.pdf
>>65380473no fucking shit it took them 9 months to get the water back properly they got fucking NUKED you moron a huge part of the city was straight up deletedif you had at least a three digit IQ you wouldn't have completely missed the point of my post or the context of the other posts that have preeceed it, and you wouldn't have made your inane pseudointellectual redditor tier "gotcha" comment either
>>65380342>missiles in the air stageGet out of major urban centers, take cover in reinforced concrete structures if you can't.>impact/immediate post-impact stageSeek shelter in basements, tunnels, or deep any large building of sufficient mass that isn't open-air or full of windows. Basically, any solid mass, be it dirt or concrete will drastically decrease your likelihood of exposure to radioactive fallout. Stay inside as long as possible. Per the 7/10 Rule, radiation decreases approximately 10% per every seven hours. After 3-4 days, it'll be safe to go outside for short periods, after a week or two, radiation is basically back down to levels where at worst, you'll have a somewhat elevated risk of certain cancers over a 40 year period (i.e. you can spend extended time outside without immediate risk of ARS, but you might be cutting a few years off your life).DO NOT consume any food or liquids that were outside at the time of impact. If you were outside, get rid of your clothes if possible.>long-term post-impactidk, good luck nigga lol
>>65380445To be pedantic Russia would be Alta China.
if you can avoid the radiation from nuclear bombs dissipates faster than you would think. if you can stay from it for 3 days at minimum youre better off than you think, and if you can stay away for a month youre way better off. Ive been too lazy to post them here but I have a old deck of flashcards from the US navy on how to handle the aftermath of nuclear war. It's more mundane than you'd expect. Radiation is a killer but one you can avoid with time and or equipment. The real killer from a nuclear bomb is the blast, the fire storm(thats what killed most of the japs), and the destruction of logistics. So being Innawoods. Youd survive the blast (probably), youd survive the fire storm but that depends on where innawoods you are, and youd survive the radiation most likely, especially with some precautions. The logistical breakdown is where it gets hairy. Youre better off than most but now you have to worry about "most" wanting what you have.
>>65380435>Hiroshima and Nagasaki were immediately rebuilt and remain large cities to this day>The Chornobyl exclusion zone is lush with fauna and flora, with only certain sections being imminently dangerousNeither of those were hit with the level of radiation your average MIRV is capable of generating.
>>65380442You'll be fertilizer in someone's garden lmao
>>65380574You're the dumb faggot who is ignoring the fact that those two cities were rebuilt by wealthy first world nations with basically unlimited resources. You talk a lot of shit for someone who can't comprehend the fact that in a global nuclear war there won't be any rich country left standing to bail everyone else out for free.Alsoniceredditspacingyoufaggot homo cum guzzler
>>65380574yeah and who's gonna come and rebuild all of america, europe and asia? fucking australia, argentina?hiroshima and nagasaki only rebuilt as quickly as they did because there were still people out there willing to put the effort in to rebuld them.
>>65380601>Youre better off than mostFor a single month at best. There is 0% chance of long-term survival living innawoods, because hunting and gathering fundamentally can't sustain modern populations.Even if technically it could sustain a post-collapse population, there is going to be so much overhunting for the sake of building up stored meat, that the wilds will be entirely depleted of meat. We've seen this happen in rural American communities where the local job provider went out of business; the entire local deer population got wiped out. You NEED agriculture and animal husbandry to survive. And for that purpose you need a community for the sake of protecting the agricultural efforts and animals you have. This dynamic fundamentally creates a feudal system, where the local warlords and the people willing to actually FIGHT to protect these efforts gain power over the rest of us.
>>65380614>>65380621wow more dumbass retards with rat level IQ exposing themselvesenjoy remaining a laughing stock forever and never being able to understand anything in your life because you've ommited to learn how to do something as fucking basic as reading
>>65380614hi newfag!
>>65380614Just so you know newfag, you don't fit in by calling formatted posts reddit spacing! BTW moot is the original creator of 4chan since you obviously didn't know!
>>65380603correct, they were hit with orders of magnitude more of it than your typical MIRV airburst that is basically radiation-free outside of the immediate blast area.
>>65380478You think Russia has something modern?
>>65380683>>65380685found two of the discord trannies keklurkmoar newfag troons
>>65380685so you're posting some random faggot from 2008 as proof that redditspacing isn't a thing, yeah you're doing a good job at fitting in retard
>>65380342A few million calories of food saved ahead of time. Enjoy all the deer going extinct in the first two weeks
>>65380740you lost that exchange so thoroughly i suspect you're trolling.
>>65380342
>>65380740Redditspacing has never been a thing, you doublenigger retard. Kill yourself, newfag.
"Redditspacing" as a meme is a newfag shibboleth.If you fall for the idea of redditspacing being a thing, you are a newfag.THAT is what the meme is about. It's a way for retarded newfags to reveal themselves.
>>65380342Move far away and from likely targets, become fully independant for food and water, have enough people you can have 24 hour watches.Idealy you also want to recuit a doctor and dentist.>>65380386Depends a lot on where you are, there is a reason all the billionaires that are worried about it are moving to New Zealand.
>>65380815>newfagnigger i've been here since 2015 i bet you got here when trump got elected
>>65380740>some random faggot
>>65380858Dogshit bait.
guys bad news... i'm not white...
>>65380342After all these threads, the real answer is there is no one answer.
>>65380813<Threadsfucking awesome. Too bad the whole nuclear winter thing has been blown out of proportion for decades,and somewhat undermines the credibility of the scenario portrayed in the movie, but by the time the end credits started rolling, I was glad I had a rifle in the safe, and enough ammo for anyone seeking a dignified way out, should the bombs start falling.
>>65380345Basically every innawoods person's plan ends at arriving innawoods.>just start a farm in a nuclear wasteland, bro>>65380390>Why would you want to?Kind of my thinking, too. Once shit hits The Road tier I'm probably self checking out regardless.
>reading a book about nuclear holocaust>all major cities nuked>areas with silos in bumfuck nowhere also nuked>survivors murdering each other over food>eventually band together into roving hordes of bandits >all the women turned into sex slaves>survivors from urban centers getting killed by hungry wildlife as they escape>red cross and national guard in non-nuked areas turn into the last bastions of civilized humanity>nobody can grow shit, everyone living in squalor kino
>>65380539>oh no we are stuck in age of enlightenment era of technology for all time>population will never be able to reach 1 billion again>implying this is a bad thing
100% chance I'd be radioactive ash after the first exchange. So you guys have fun eating one another amongst the ruins but the RSVP is a no from me.Do your best and good luck.
>>65381051>stuck on this planet forever, living as retarded animals whose genetics are solely determined by short-term competition instead of what's good for the entire species>zero chance of ever getting off this rock or building anything greater than what we have right nowAwesome.
>>65380601Chernobyl just had them digging up the top 1 or 2 inches of topsoil and burying it in caskets to remove most of the post accident fallout, it doesn’t really get into the soil. I’m skeptical that the radiation decreases to mostly background levels after 3-4 days. Some of the stuff can still irradiate for years after the initial explosion.
>>65380390>antibiotics expired a year agoThen they are still good. The shit on the label is bs
>>65380342Real talk, anons: how likely is it that all the doomsday scenarios that were so popular in the Cold War are actually true, and not just the product of (typically Soviet-funded) anti-nuke nonsense? Would we actually get nuclear winter if there were a proper exchange?
>>65380342>Top 25-30 most populated cities get hit>Most strategic civil/military infrastructure gets hit>In particular nuclear silo fields get hit heavily with ground bursts>Nuclear fallout most likely blankets the entirety of the midwest and central plains with levels not going down to "safe" until after around 2-3 months>Cities and everywhere in between outside of the big 30 get spared the immediate effects but end up suffering the secondary (fallout) and after effects (destroyed supply lines) of the war>Combination of local/regional initiative and a convoluted continuity of government at the federal level will have some areas 1+ years after the war somewhat decent relatively speaking utilizing national guard/active military units to maintain control going as far as to establish certain industry and trade at the local/regional levels>Other areas will be in a state of T O T A L A S S B L A S T A T I O N dominated by Mad Max tier war bands raping and murdering just to get food and water>Semi-decent regions will eventually start to size each other up and will most likely result in a brutal civil war that will most likely last for years if not indefinitely tl;dr pic related.
>>65380342You cant.Breakdown of society. Production. Raw material. Logistics.Radiation.Nuclear winter for months or years or a decade.(inb4 nuclear winter was a soviet propaganda campaign)And when that clears, the ozone layer is gone - welcome to skin cancer and cateract city.
>>65381142Have you looked around recently? See any signs of "true greatness" anywhere? "Colonizing the stars" has always been a reddit pipe dream. Sci fi isnt real. Space travel is pointless and truly unviable. Knocking humanity back technologically where we cannot "develop" past a sustainable population level is the best thing that could happen to us. That IS good for the species. Id rather see that than some bullshit gmo bioweapon or AI skynet or microplastics causing a "children of men"-esque scenario or countless other self imposed extinction events
>>65381209>And when that clears, the ozone layer is goneSource?
>>65380858Ive been here since 1999.
>>65381142Being retarded animals who are irrational and operate mostly on in-group out-group dynamics with the latter being dominated by competition and war is what has enabled us to reach this level of sophistication in the first place. >zero chance of ever getting off this rockSpace is hard and expensive. Any colonization effort requires a large population that has a strong vitality and belief in themselves to be successful. That comes from said in-group out-group dynamics. Not some wu wu objective morality bs. Not to sound like an accelerationist but the most important aspect of any people/empire is having a strong collective will and belief in themselves. When that wanes, it doesn't matter what you drag and drop from the top, nothing will fill the void. This is why commies are not serious at all, the dominate liberal global trade order is floundering right now, and rising groups like Christian nationalists will soon learn that you can't just brute force a religion onto a people that don't care, you just end up with religious dogma, or rather; it wasn't the religion that built cathedrals, it was the strong will of the people that did, a people that just so happened to have Christianity as the dominate religion at the time. In order to re-vitalize a people or have a new people rise, that typically only comes from out of the ashes of an old decayed people. Where the natural selective pressures have reemerged i.e. a nuclear fucking war has happened.
>>65380858>2015 was over ten years ago >anon's claiming oldfag status because of that>tfw 09fagTime waits for no man.
>>65381210>dis niqqa don't know about islands in space
>>65381236Boy, what a lovely place to live. I sure hope nobody dumps tons of poisonous gas in there.
>>65381274Brother you could detonate a nuke in there and it'll be fine.
Step 1: move to a place where prevailing winds will not carry radioactive fallout overheadStep 2: build a HEPA-filtered basement shelter that can support you for 14 daysStep 3: spend money on non-perishable food and other essentials, and store them in ideal conditionsBasically, *** your labor will NEVER GO FARTHER than it does RIGHT NOW ***when it comes to acquiring food and clean water. You can replace a year of backbreaking subsistence agriculture with, like, $500. You can swing by Sam's Club or Costco, get huge bags of rice and pallets of dry beans, and survive for a decade with a surprisingly small investment.
>>65381335That map is bullshit. A lot of downtown cities and even entire states wont have a single nuke land in them. And the radiation would be far worse from the silo fields.
>>65380342Well, /k/ says that nooks are no big deal and everyone who says otherwise is a tricksy little Jew, so just keep doing whatever you're doing now and you should be fine.
>>65380342dox and make the billinaire kikes and politician bunker locations 100% public knowledge on websites for the masses to swarm during an emergency. once kikes know their hiding holes are public they will be forced to avoid nuclear war because they know the second they start it millions of angry mobs of peasants will be at their fucking bunkers before they even get there
>>65381379Not to sound like a gay communist but the whole reason why civilization exists in the first place is because you can create a surplus of resources generated by labor that can then be utilized for however the group as a whole sees fit i.e. it takes an army to keep an army going. Just like with collecting taxes, a state entity is able to pool resources in order to not have to take on the full time job that is survival via foraging, hunting and gathering. This is all to say, what point is there to having bunkers when you have wiped out the means to sustain your organization and really just yourself without you having to actively expend immense time and effort by doing it yourself? Bunkers just give you the means to increase the odds of survival past the initial exchange. You still need to come out of the bunker and have some type of organization to take control of in order to still qualify as being an "elite".
>>65380881>bad newsfor you
>>65380386>hates other people>finds the solitude and coldness of Novosibirsk level in Metro:Exodus paradise.No…no I’m sorry but I can’t agree with you.
>>65381236>we lost the technology to put men on the moon but we'll totally be able to build a 50km diameter space donut and fill it with atmosphere bro>technological progress will keep increasing at the unprecedented 1900-2000 rate and we totally won't just regress into mediocrity with or without a nuclear war anyway bro
>>65381210>Space travel is pointless and truly unviable.How so?
>>65381510>we lost technology to put men on the moonAs it turns out, creating a rocket that can auto land itself autonomously is a bit more difficult than just having a dude in the rocket do it.>50km diameter space donutIt's an 8x32km cylinder often in a pair to counter the rotation with the original designs being built just with steel just to prove the point that yes we can build them. With the main means of doing it feasibly via sending mass from the moon via mass drivers rather than sending them up from Earth making it vastly cheaper. >technological progress will keep increasing at the unprecedented 1900-2000 rateDoesn't need to.>and we totally won't just regress into mediocrity with or without a nuclear war anyway bro Condescending boo hoo woe is me doomposting is gayer than posting on /lgbt/.
>>65381515There's no food in space. There's no usable land in space. There's no hot chicks in space. There's no resources in space. Asteroid mining will never happen. Extraterrestrial colonization will never happen. What's the point?
>>65381540Look mom, a retard!
>>65381540Whoever first industrializes and militarizes cis-lunar space will be in charge of all of humanity indefinitely. Like the greatest bottleneck point in all of human history. Every society, empire, civilization will all trace their roots to that focal point. I would say that's a decent reason.
>>65381539>It's an 8x32km cylinder often in a pair to counter the rotation with the original designs being built just with steel just to prove the point that yes we can build themWhat original designs? One of arthur c clarks napkin drawings? How can you "prove we can build them" when we have never built one? Forget it, you're just an autist, completely detached from reality. Goodnight.
>>65381540>no resources in spacethere are tons of resources in space, it's currently just a matter of going there, the only issues are solar radiation and that it's not economically viable to leave the gravity well. people are working diligently on those problems and i'm sure they'll solve them if we can maintain a technological civilization long enough.
>>65381561>O'Neill cylinder >"What like one of those sci-fi guys nerd?"You can't actually be this fucking stupid and unknowledgeable on a topic that you clearly seem to have very vocal opinions on.
>>65381561>How can you "prove we can build them"The same way an architect and an engineer can prove a skyscraper that hasn't been built yet can. By understanding physics and some math.
>>65380539>If our Western civilization collapses, our only hope as a species is alien intervention.>exactly what the eyptians, persians, greeks saidStarting to sound like a broken record.
>>65381540> There's no resources in spaceYou might just be trolling but I'll engage anyways.>There's no food in space.There's no food in much of the world either; certainly not enough for the amount of people who live in some areas. Yet they live there anyways. It is certainly possible to create greenhouses and botanical facilities in space; I think you underestimate the difficulty that colonists settling land far from their homeland suffered IRL.>>65381510The technology was 'lost' because the people who knew how to do it were not in large supply in the first place and they gradually died off or left the industry. We did not literally lose the technology; the use-skills for it simply atrophied, so >>technological progress will keep increasing at the unprecedented 1900-2000 rate and we totally won't just regress into mediocrity with or without a nuclear war anyway broWill we regress? I don't think so. Could the rapid advancement stop? Certainly. Does it matter? Not really. Space colonization was already viable in the 1990s, tech-wise.Face it: if a nation starts colonization space, everyone else will follow, just like the European scrambles in the past. The nations that don't will be left in the dust, except this time they won't catch back up until they go into space, too.
>>65381202>raping to get food and waterhold up ameribro is cooking
>>65380564You cast your pearls before swine, my friend. But you did lead them to the water.
>>65380586Appriciated, but you get me.
>>65381562>we can maintain a technological civilization long enough.We obviously cant though. We're on the verge on a major economic collapse. People are dumber and more incompetent than they've ever been, and its only getting worse. We won't be able to maintain our own infrastructure when nobody knows how it works and nobody has the knowledge to fix it. The future is bleak
>>65381214My sympathies.
>>65381577In survival situations, pussy juice can serve as an emergency means to acquire "filtered" water.
>>65381469>>65381379dw the elitefags are getting instakilled by their security the second they get to a secure location with resources KEK
>>65381576>space colonization is the exact same as crossing 5000km of water
>>65381590Not unless they go all in on droids.
>>65381593Colonizing other planets is basically impossible.
Speaking of the Big Bombout: Does anyone actually have good resources on good anti-radiation equipment and detectors and the like currently on the market, and what would be useful to have? I'd like to stock up.
>>65381593What the fuck even is the argument you're making?>>65381599Why colonize shitty barren worlds in the solar system when you can build your own with infinite resources and power generation?
>>65381600>anti-radiation equipmentEarth
>>65381197Anon, the LEAST of the shit mama Earth has thrown at us is orders of magnitude worse that full global exchange.
>>65381565I must know everything or nothing about a topic to speak confidently on it.>t. Winston Churchill
We should build a shelter to prevent the technology humanity has built up from being wiped out by some major catastrophe, or perhaps we ought to inscribe Wikipedia's information onto clay tablets and fire them.
>>65381274>>65381310What is they de orbit and come crashing down?
>>65381609I don't have access to a fallout shelter so I was thinking more of blocking agents and the like.
>>65381197Nuclear winter has been proven false time and time again using real world data from events e.g. massive wildfires, the Gulf War with the oil fields being lit, etc. Combined with scientists and researchers coming out and saying that they purposely lied and made shit up in order to influence policy. A full nuclear exchange happening today would be the most devastating thing to have ever happened in human history. But it wouldn't be world ending or even civilization ending. You'd probably still have areas in the US with enough effective government control that they would still demand you to pay taxes and the entire gameplan for the Soviets back in the day was to disperse ground forces and pre position an ungodly amount of supplies and spare parts in order to survive the immediate effects of a nuclear exchange while still retaining enough combat power to conquer most of Europe.
>>65381584>we cannot sustain technological civilization>my proof is impeding economic collapseBitch please. First, if it hits, this would not be the first major economic collapse the world has ever suffered. We survived the Great Recession, the Great Depression, a host of smaller crises in between those two, to say nothing of the whole host of financial panics that swept the world in the 18th and 19th centuries. Hell, we survived the fucking Bronze Age collapse and came back stronger than ever. The only thing that is bleak is your prospects, because you're clearly a doompilled dipshit. You ought to jump of a bridge, somebody more productive could use the resources you're siphoning off of the rest of us.
>>65381616They would be stationed at a Lagrange point with the tl;dr being that they don't deorbit. And trying to make one deorbit would entail trying to move millions of metric tons of mass, so good luck with that.
>>65381589>broke: turning women into livestock to harvest breast milk>woke: turning women into livestock to harvest potable water
>>65381634>My lord, why do you force all of the female slaves to be encased in latex?>Water is precious, we do not waste it. Any of it.D E S E R T P O W E R
>>65380442Enjoy your kuru.
>>65381236>being this retardedan irradiated wasteland on earth is infinitely easier to live in than on a space station or on the moon/mars.
>>65381626>step 1: Build yourself a lead coffin>step 2: roleplay as dracula for as long as you can>????>step 4: Get eaten by this weirdo >>65380442
>>65380435hardest part's going to be surviving the collapse in central authority and the supply chain that would be extremely likelythe EMP from a full scale nuclear attack would probably fry most of the transformers in the US and it would probably take several months to get the power grid going in major cities and probably over a year to completely repair it, assuming that the resources required could be mobilized.it would probably be several decades before we return to the standard of living we currently enjoy and for the economy to recoverworst case scenario we rebuild with the help of whoever's standing (probably some muds in south america, because god knows africa would collapse without the west's help) and end up their debt slaves
>>65380342buy rural homestead property within 15 minutes to Wal-Mart and accept small town argicultural, small business, self-sustainable lifestyle. What your buying in land and production efficiency loss, (being poor), you are getting back in stability. Your moderately large yard garden planting like a non-profit commercial operation, your water table well, your septic tank. Individualized home water system plus pipage and irrigation Your chickens! Your big ancient FU diesel truck. Your nice big wire Fence with a No trespassing sign.Most of this will be rustic Homestead that can reasonably feed and water yourself and maintain old equipment. You will have to constantly feed or allow your goat and chicken to graise. You will not have larger expensive animals unless you have Acrage and a full on argibusiness for money. It will be LOTS of hard work. You need civilization to trade your specialized role for money to trade for more than Living like a Pioneer with your Minecraft style Sod house of European American migrants who were dirt rich and dirt poor having to grow everything from nothing by grace of god. With Weapons, your loadout will be a 12 guage shotgun. A classic modern telescopic bolt action rifle. An AR 15 with a LVPO first focal plane left at 1x, because you're not playing COD magdumping with cat like reflexes in the city. You're killing coyotes, predatory animals, and uninvited guests with precision mixed with light combat capability. You will have a pistol ranging from a 9mm general semi-auto to a Large bore 357 or higher revolver if you have LARGE man eating predators or own large domesticated animals. A colt 1911 is considered the modern man and beast compromise because it kills a man and a horse without trouble. A 22 rifle to hunt, recreation, or train with proficiency cheaply. So you have 3 firearms to survive the apocalypse A modern Sporting rifleA 12 shotgun. A telescopic long riflePistol. in apocalypse, food shelter water income
>>65381335who the fuck decided grand junction was a worthwhile civilian target? there's probably a dozen cities in the midwest that are worth more of a damn than fucking grand junction.
>>65380342>how does one genuinely survive this shit and the coming years?It all depends on where you live now. There is a book called Strategic Relocation where the author covers a lot of relevant info if you live in the US. But its better to live in the Southern Hemisphere in a less populated area with water, good soil, and good neighbors. Most people are not interested to learn about the various nuclear war policies by the various powers, most important of which is the US. It has always been US policy that if the US and Russia get into a nuclear war the US is going to strike all of its 'enemies' so they can not win if the US 'loses.' So the US will strike Russia, China, NK, and Iran at minimum, but there are probably others. So in response China and NK are going to strike back. Then of course you have England, France, Israel and who knows what the retarded Indians and Pakis are going to do to each other. That is a lot of nooks going off in the Northern Hemisphere all in about an hour. Tactical, strategic, and theater nooks will all be used as the war starts and conintues to escale. You pick shows a tiny simulated nook, the scale of 500kt to 2mt thermonuclear explosions is insane. There are going to be endless fires spewing radiation everywhere in the atmosphere for weeks. It might be best to just grab a beer and watch the show at ground zero.
>>65381335This is another poof why cities are for losers unless you earn significant money to make it worthwhile. Dense city, you're looking at a 9mm and carbineSuburb? Here the logistics are both better and worse with some room for a rifle. Rural, this is where the raw resources are made by the grace of god. City is evac. Without durable fixed point of defense, you can only carry 1 Long Arm with a cover and One pistol. Carry a lock and cloud storage a record of your ownership and essential documents. Maybe an airport luggage tag. All else is car.Disaster Recovery Personal Protection Act of 2007 Under 42 U.S.C. § 5207, no federal, state, or local official involved in disaster relief or receiving federal funds can seize legally possessed firearms.You're looking at ONE, multi range, multi-purpose, scoped with rail light AR-15 OR One 12 guage shotgun OR your heirloom scoped rifle and ONE pistol under your jacket to transport yourself from disaster to shelter and food. I'd recommend one fine AR-15 and as many magazines of 5.56x45 NATO M193 that can be carried with a reserve 50 cal canister of M855. A 30 cal can of hollowpoint bulk reserve full 50 cal can of 9mm 124 FMJ. A small pouch of 5 or so magazines to carry with Hollowpoint 9mm. That's Overkill, but will serve you through a true nuclear disaster until lawful authority resumes safe trade and public services. A Telescoping Long rifle with a 30 cal can filled with 7.62x51 (.308) or whatever it uses. 12 guage shotgun. Resuming trade, neighborly trust, and business as usual will be the most important task. Wholesale war and ropes against marxist radicals, the disinherited trust fund ideologue kids that couldn't hack it, attempting to use anarchy for the revolution to steal your food, shelter, water, daughter will be the first and most important use of firearms. If Putin Drops the Nuke, we are going Total Hippie Removal of annoying Basedjack and the UN and domestic law can't do shit about it.
>>65380427that pic shows the plumes from the strikes in the US, does not show the plumes coming from the west coast of Russia and Alaska. Also there is another USAF base in southern Oregon that is not shown the map. So the best place is the nothern tip of California, where Pelican Bay maximum security prison is. I am sure they will welcome you to their new friend group when they get out.
>>65381699Yea lemme just drive to walmart after a nuclear strike and buy more 45 ACP on my chase sapphire reserve, brilliant plan
>>65380435>Hiroshima and NagasakiThose were tiny bombs compared to the ones that would be used today, and only two. Image if you will Japan hit with 100 200kt to 1mt warheads in an hour. Some cities hit repeatedly just to make sure. Its the last chance to use the nukes so you use them. Then you have the melt downs for the cores and fuel pool for all the reactor complexes that are destroyed.
>>65380575>Get out of major urban centersNo problem, the freeways that are clogged with normal rush hour traffic will handle the panic of everyone making a run for it at the same time. No chance of collisions, car breakdowns, running out of gas...no problem.
>>65381692Africa would do better than most because they're used to getting by with dirt roads and questionable fuel
>>65381578i like to think people are too busy reading it to reply, but i know they maybe downloaded it and went tl;dr with the intention of looking at it if bombs ever drop. they should give it a chance though, i hate nonfiction but happily read that cover to cover.
>>65381626back to nwss.instructions for making a detector out of trashhttps://oism.org/nwss/s73p938.htmblocking agents are anything, the denser the better, but water works and provides you with drinking water.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLyZAVtObLU
>>65381817No silly man. You're going to buy normal stuff in the apocalypse. The only difference between now and then, is private security guards are swapped for National Guard, rooftop Koreans, and anti-Nightraider squad to prevent further loots. And Far Far Far less stuff to buy. You are buying FOOD, batteries, and whatever didn't get stolen. It will PROBABLY house a FEMA style food and fuel distribution program with digital ration cards. Think WW2 style ration coupon book that operates like EBT with an APP restricting how much loaded MONEY you can actually spend without pulling physical cash for the black / unregulated markets. They'll probably be unofficial flea markets to spend cash guarded by private professionals. Probably give everyone a social allotment of free FEMA food money or partnership with USDA for gov cheese. The Wal-Marts or target will have hanged bodies with National Guard patrols keeping your local Somalian/ Minnesotan resident at bay under martial law. The pistol/ rifle/ shotgun is to keep your groceries and fuel from being ROBBED once they're in your custody. Every other intersection will have blinking stop sign and the hanged brutalization of convicted men like a Texas Drive Friendly sign. Being isolated, means you've got lots of dangerous unpatrolled road ahead without your own domestic farmhouse supply of everything. Being in the middle of it puts you too close to every drama. The whole point of a ballistic vest, plates, rifle, and pistol is the same as your car. Defend your fixed shelter property, your caravan for supplies, safe to and from work. Defend -home, -transport,-8-12 hours of work.-homesteading. Forget hunting with a gun unless you've got a lot of ammo. There will be extremely limited ammo supplies until thing return back to normal. 30 cal + 50 cal STEEL ammo cans. FILL it now, not later.
>>65381817In Peacetime (plenty):Buy STEEL ammo cans. Progressively FILL THEM with thousands of one specific bullet weight and caliber. Buy MANY high quality Magazines of a pistol with Hollowpoints FILL THEM. Same with Rifle magazines, get many quality and FILL THEM. Magpul is good. OEM steel is great. Mec-Gar is excellent. Steel feed lips. Store it in sheet steel rubber gasket sealed military style containers. If it cannot be contained in METAL, you will likely not be able to keep it in usable condition. NON RENEWABLE in conflict time. Engage sparingly and have friends. YES, you will need CASH. Silver. and return to a somewhat functional ration system until complex banking systems and jobs return. There is gov FinTech and buried decentralized hardened internet infrastructure designed for total ColdWar style apocalypse blackouts. There will be essential services only as FEMA coronadites on Shortwave radio reconstruction with survivors. Primitive dialup internet speed if anything survives. A real apocalypse should be more concerned about reliable off-grid communication and ISP internet/phone access. Radio nets. Along with food, shelter, water. The real challenge will be 3-6 months of Minnesota style (((TEEN Takeover))) and your armed robber that doesn't understand what martial law means on the spirit of George Floyd. You will need a shovel or a really hot fire to keep your water / health safe to dispose of Somali pirate Minnesota man from African Arabia and the other usual suspects. The Real apocalypse. All the Nuked City people are dead or gouging their eyes out in gang violence adventuring out for YOUR resources. The surviving city will be under martial law or gang occupation with Iraq occupation style skirmish between national guard/militia. That's the real situation. Hacker Tip: Watch the religiously observant ethnically Jew Zionist community. The apocalypse is the cornerstone to their religion. Copy and paste strategy.
>>65381629Based, fuck doomers.
Most surviving people will pack their vehicles to EVAC contaminated suburbs for a FEMA fortress to restart civilization under a US Constitutional.... dictatorship with surviving edgy LARP communities finally having their micro republics until they're required to trade.The suburbs will likely be poisoned with lethal radioactive dust. Stage 4 Cancer within months Given the state of the country, the LEFT will be completely dead as the gay stupid megametropolis will be destroyed to not give much reason for far rightists to do much except farm more. The accidental return to Tradition move.
>>65380342I have a cabin in the woods, a hot girlfriend and 3 years worth of canned beans. I'm looking forward to it.
>>65381210True greatness has always been in the immortal coil of the arts It is the creation of man, a reflection of the soul, a glance into his life will be and has been the legacy of all from poems to dance, from literary conventions to castle fortifications. Pizza is really good
>>65380342>survivemoment of detonation#1 be several miles away from the center#2 be in.. a drainage dich, swimming pool, underground. .etcin during, idk lol, if your limbs and skin and eyes still work youll have to avoid the fire storm. + everyone else who is trying to run away.you have three days to leave the city limits, water and food is likely contaminated unless very well stored and packaged.once your on the outskirts this is where the fallout is worse, the water and food is still bad.spend the next four days getting away from the region, dont come back.ditch all your old clothes, they are beyond wrecked at this point.
>>65380342>No innawoods bullshit, how does one genuinely survive this shit and the coming years?Dont be in America. And if you have to be there, be innawoods. :p
>>65380707You think Russia has many nukes?
Most people will be forced to caravan their property to a safe rustic encampment. The land is too poisoned. Take Potassium iodine pills. Clean water, sealed container food. It will be essential to coordinate evacuation to relatively clean land to redevelop. Avoid cancer.
Why bother trying to survive? Just go out in a blaze of glory while wearing leather?
idk if anybody ever told you, but ultimately nobody survives
>>65380365Your wife and daughter are needed in the senator bunker for the repopulation effort. You will be turned away with at best a single humanitarian ration. Thank you for your patriotism civilian.
>>65381560If that were true nations would be strenuously undergoing efforts to make it happen instead of completely ignoring the idea
>>65381709>who the fuck decided grand junction was a worthwhile civilian target?Its called "grand junction" because its an oil pipeline mega-junction.
>>65381202>Combination of local/regional initiative and a convoluted continuity of government at the federal level will have some areas 1+ years after the war somewhat decent relatively speaking utilizing national guard/active military units to maintain control going as far as to establish certain industry and trade at the local/regional levelsCan you know which areas these are before the bombs fall?
>>65380603>Neither of those were hit with the level of radiation your average MIRV is capable of generating.Incorrect, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were pure fission bombs with a very low fuel efficiency. They produced a lot of fallout from the bomb itself, and they detonated at a rather low altitude with a pretty low power output. The fallout should have been quite substantial. Modern nukes are fission-fusion devices where the fusion reaction generates a huge fast neutron surplus, this surplus generates a great increase in the fission rate, the fission energy released feeds back into the fusion rate. The resulting increase in power output means that the ideal detonation altitude for maximum blast radius increases and that the hot air bubble generated by the detonation also becomes much larger and hotter. Post detonation this hot air bubble from the fireball will carry the bomb remains and the irradiated air high into the stratosphere where short lived highly active isotopes decay safely and the remaining fallout is dispersed over a large area. Its ground (low altitude) detonations that generate copious amounts of fallouts. F.ex counterforce targets like nuclear missile silos, where the warhead is meant to detonate as close as possible to the silo. Something similar applies to military bases where nuclear weapons are stored, the logical attack here would be to have the warhead detonate as close as possible to weapons storage bunkers. Its these detonations that will generate a lot of fallout. Against cities, its high altitude detonations and these will not be an issue with regards to fallout. A typical american city with its cookie cutter suburbs featuring houses made out of sawdust and glue will first ignite and burn like a furnace and then be shredded by the blast wave.
>>65382233I don't know who told you that, the only thing notable about grand junction is that it's where the colorado and gunnison river meets, and where a couple highways and railroads meet. there's also a couple runways that rich guys use to go skiing in the winter I guess.
>>65380442Do you want Prions?Because that's how you get Prions.
>>65381821Take the lanes that lead INTO the city, they are always empty in zombie movies :^)
>>65382267>houses made out of sawdust and glue will first ignite and burn like a furnace and then be shredded by the blast wave>flames and embers will move faster than the blast shockwave1-800-COME-ON-NOW
>>65382265any area above 80% white
>>65382267None of America's enemies will go for counterforce because US is the only country with meaningful capability to effectively implement it. russoids and chinks will simply not bother because wasting several warheads on a minuteman silo which will likely get launched before your warheads arrive is pointless compared to just using those warheads in a countervalue strike under the very pressing threat of US counterforce hits destroying them altogether while they're all still sitting inside a single missile on the ground.>A typical american city with its cookie cutter suburbs featuring houses made out of sawdust and glue will first ignite and burn like a furnace and then be shredded by the blast wave.A typical American city is too sprawled out to be destroyed by a single nuke airburst even without accounting for dozens of small towns surrounding it a distance away from all directions.
>>65382881>>houses made out of sawdust and glue will first ignite and burn like a furnace and then be shredded by the blast wave>>flames and embers will move faster than the blast shockwaveThey will ignite from thermal radiation from the nuclear fireball. This will reach them before the blast wave. So first they all ignite and start burning, then the blast wave comes and flattens everything. The only way for an amerimutt to survive is to hide inside his refridgerator.
>>65381812>Disaster Recovery Personal Protection Act of 2007 Under 42 U.S.C. § 5207, no federal, state, or local official involved in disaster relief or receiving federal funds can seize legally possessed firearms.You put an awful lot of faith in the government to not break the law in a crisis, when history demonstrates that's precisely when it's likeliest to do that.
>>65382914>This will reach them before the blast wave.oh wow, 10 whole miliseconds of fire! that's definitely notable.
>>65382791>I don't know who told you that, the only thing notable about grand junction is that it's where the colorado and gunnison river meets, and where a couple highways and railroads meet.I went and checked, and you are indeed right, good sir anon. I was wrong. The choice of Grand Junction as a target based on present day data is mystifying. It has a VA hospital and some derelict military posts. My guess that base and facility closures after the cold war removed the reasons it was targeted.
>>65380342>how does one genuinely survive this shitdon't be in a major population center, avoid major logistics chokepoints, major industrial centers and military bases and so on>the coming years?besides the usual stockpiles and what not, learn skills you can trade for food and goods, you need to be the one whos able to provide good advice and teach any skill necessary
>>65381912>>65381963This is good advice and all but you are too focused on guns. You need lidocaine, antibiotics, painkillers, tooth filling material, extra shoes, glasses, etc. If your little fortress settlement has a dentist or doctor you will become the local capital. Most boomers will die within months due to no blood pressure medication. Oldest people around will be gen X. You will need to repair and fix a lot of things that you wont be able to get.
>>65381631But it still can be done
>>65381634>toke:turning women into breeding factories to mine clones and Spice
>>65380451How is she? I had a fling with a Navajo girl number of years ago. She was a nice person but all of her brothers and her sister were rez trash so I was hesitant about going the distance. Also she did not seem like she had a lot going on upstairs. Which admittedly made her excellent in bed but there's more to life than that.
>>65381174>I’m skeptical that the radiation decreases to mostly background levels after 3-4 days.It depends on the half-life of whatever is being radioactive. No offense but you don't even know the fundamentals of this and you should do some research.
>>65382265>national guard/active military units to maintain controlpure delusion - there is nothing that will be left at the federa, state, county level. Only individual farms, ranches, homes in non targeted areas that were not blasted that need to think about fallout coming. Its going to be like the wide open plains during the 1700s wild west where you need to survive by yourself, family, a few neighbors at best, the rest of any survivors will be desperate because their EBT card stopped working and the stores are gone.
>>65381963>FILL THEM with thousands of one specific bullet weight and caliber.where are all these people going to come from? Most everyone will be incerated or dead within a few days at most. You only need to think about neighbors within walking distance and you should already know who they are and if they have done anything to prepare ahead of time. The most dangerous people are the surviors with real training and combat experience who know how to assault a position/home and if there is a couple of them you chances are slim.
>>65382267>they detonated at a rather low altitude with a pretty low power outputnot correct, these two bombs were detonated at a relatively high altitude (about 1,800') considering their weak output. The altitude was chosen for blast effects not radiation poisoning. The modern versions are much more powerful and the US 'sponge' concept was to build many dispearsed silos in three areas that require the Russians to use two groundburst MIRS per silo to attempt to destroy the ICMBs in, or just out of, their silos. So there would be hundreds are very large ground detonations across the midwest, plus combinations of ground and air detonations based on repeatedly hittinging the same targets to attempt to ensure their destruction (underground military or civilian controll or supply bases). There is going to be a LOT of radioactive fallout generated by all the ground detonations.
Sure the fallout will even out in a 14 days, but what about the nuked nuclear plants, chemical plants, chemical weapons, bio weapons and every disease spreading after the fall of hygiene. Those will last a lot longer than the feared fallout.
>>65380564this book is really cool. thanks anon.didnt even know survival was actually feasible in this situation due to all the propaganda. they make it sound like every square inch of the united states would be vaporized.it seems like the real trick is actually getting a house and being able to build the shelter required, and storing supplies. otherwise where i am in new england, and where im originally from the rural part is actually quite survivable.
>>65381510kill yourself faggot, mankinds destiny is to conquer the stars
>>65383056russians won't be aiming at the silos because using their entire arsenal to destroy one third of US missile warheads isn't a sensible tradeoff.
>>65382228>x goal which would improve nation by 4000000 billion trillion percent isnt being enacted? Surely thats because that goal is bullshit or unachievable instead of nations being controlled by complete retards
>>65380390well as long as the governments all get nuked id be ok with surviving nuclear war
>>65380575isnt the point of a nuke to completely obliterate important areas of industry?not just places with high populationsbut places that build naval ships or high command locations like DC
>>65380390>>65380342>assuming a cut finger doesn't take you out because your antibiotics expiredOne thing I consistently see people sleeping on is immunemaxxing. These types of infections aren't magic; it's not like you get a cut and god rolls the dice to decide if he'll smite you with a supernatural infection or something.These infections are caused by specific bacteria or viruses. Being exposed to these specific pathogens improves your body's immune response. What this means is that by going /out/ and intentionally giving yourself minor injuries in a controlled setting (the modern world with modern healthcare) then you are literally training your immune system to better respond to these infections.The guy who dies from a minor infection in a theoretical apocalyptic scenario is dying because his immune system failed to fight off whatever pathogen infected him. If your immune system is already familiar with that pathogen then your odds of getting a serious infection are significantly lower.Make a point of occasionally being less clean; force your body to acclimate to your endemic pathogens.
>>65383570>isnt the point of a nuke to completely obliterate important areasYes, to totally destroy the country in every sense and way to keep it from ever coming back. The rooskies said their bombs are dirty/salted to ensure no crops ever grow again (you can eat them because of so much contamination).
>>65383475>isn't a sensible tradeoff.It makes sense to go for the silos if they believe their warheads can get there before the missiles are far enough out of their silos to survive the explosions. What is not known well is just how many active land based and sub bases missiles and the total warhead count they have on 'combat status' for immediate launch. Given the shitty state of their military in 2022 it seems a safer bet they dont have that many functioning missiles considering the drunken theft of anything of value.
Surviving a nuclear blast is easy. Say you are relaxing at the park on a nice spring day reading the news paper. You see the flash of nuclear detonation, all you have to do is use the newspaper to cover your exposed skin.
It still floors me. Some 180 miles away, the crown is hitting 68 miles high, 48 wide at the bell…the largest cloud ever created by a man made device at about 50-56Mt. Wonder what it would have been at 100…1Gig?
>>65380342Be janitorial staff for the the underground presidential bunker in New York.
>>65383475i would be pretty surprised if any of russia's icbms were able correctly function, they need much more maintenance than say tanks, and we've seen how those were cared for.
>>65382863Nah. You'll only get prions if the guy already had a prion disease. It's got nothing to do with cannibalism.
>>65384791All the traditional cannibals with kuru might disagree with you if their brains weren't sponges. I'm not up on the latest science but last I heard long pork wouldn't fuck up your proteins so long as you didn't eat the brain or spine.
>>65384827They got kuru simply because someone they ate had a prion disease. Eating humans, even their brains, does not, and can not, in any way give you a prion disease by itself. Cannibalism is safe and healthy.
>>65381812>Disaster Recovery Personal Protection Act of 2007 Under 42 U.S.C. § 5207, no federal, state, or local official involved in disaster relief or receiving federal funds can seize legally possessed firearms.Anon, the first head if FEMA wrote up a plan to suspend the constitution and set up "internment camps" for all black americans in case the Black Panthers got too uppity. Look it up if you don't believe me.
>>65380342>how does one genuinely survive this shit and the coming years?>surviveWarbands ambushing supply lines of warlords and raiding their trading posts as armies mass across the plains willing to shed blood for the new empires to be, waged by a new people forged from the ashes of the old world blown away with the blastwave from the dawning of the second sun. You do not survive, you live. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiY7Ssa6Qhc
>>65380478>>65380707>>65382150You think Russia wouldn't want to purposefully increase fallout with ground bursts?
>>65384127>It makes sense to go for the silos if they believe their warheads can get there before the missiles are far enough out of their silos to survive the explosionsit doesn't even make sense in this case because US silos only carry a single warhead each and would need multiple warheads to defeat even in the unlikely scenario where their missiles do hit the unemptied silos. this would require most of their arsenal to do and would leave them mostly disarmed against the remaining 2/3rds of US nuke arsenal that is housed inside SSNs in return, plus all the bombers.>What is not known well is just how many active land based and sub bases missiles and the total warhead count they have on 'combat status' for immediate launch.they've exited START to hide the shrinking state of their arsenal, which already looked bleak while they were declaring it.for example, half of their subs are 1980s vintage with barely updated liquid fuel missiles, those subs never going on patrol and sitting in port without crews all canned and only opened up for occasional propaganda shots for which they juggle crews between them. the other half are boreis holding the bulava slbm which has had quite a string of failures in tests during development and in recent years.the land part is slightly better, mostly relying on thei MIRV-ed topol variants but a third of their land based warheads is housed in SS-36s which haven't had a successful test launch since they invaded Ukraine in 2014, the country they had a contract for maintaining them with. naturally these missiles were already on lifecycle extension by that time and even they are still newer than the shit russians keep in reserve without warheads.so in all likelihood china might have already overtaken them as far as the number of warhead goes, depending on how many missile silos they've filled.
>>65385116you think russia can waste their nukes on ground bursts just for some localized fallout?
>>65380507It depends on what nuclear war scenario you are imagining. Assuming you are talking of an US, Britain and France v Russia and/or China, "whites" would be the highest proportion victims>US and Canada>Western Europe >Slavic Eastern Europe and Russia>potentially also Australiawould have their populations overwhelming relatively affected, leaving most of Africa untouched (and unless they decided because why not nuke the other) also India and Pakistan by the initial effects. The major "white" countries left would be NZ, Argentina and Brazil but a billion niggers still live.
>>65385157>hit NYC>no whites hurt
>>65385137It might be "waste" in a normal planning view, but yes they probably would do it because "Russia STRONK" or something; maybe pure malice or maybe incompetence.
>>65385171this just means that less of US population and industry get destroyed so while a massive evacuation would cause a small crisis and there would be more radiation victims the overall recovery from the attack would be easier and quicker.
>>65385130>the actual number of deployed warheads is most likely smaller as otherwise Russia would have exceeded the New START limit on total number of deployed warheads
>>65384896>Anon, the first head if FEMA wrote up a plan to suspend the constitution and set up "internment camps" for all black americans in case the Black Panthers got too uppity. Look it up if you don't believe me.Sounds based, they need to make FEMA great again
>>65382209>wife and daughter get access to resources and safety in nuclear hellscapeI have succeeded as a husband and father
>>65381142This is our fate unless we genocide the entire populations of Africa, Middle East, India, Russia, and large swathes of South America and SEA. The civilization and technological advancement we enjoy now and which provide the best hope for the future were developed, built, and maintained by primarily European stock. As people of European descent become a greater minority (whilst simultaneously being expected to uplift the "global south"), our future is basically Elysium
>>65381814>Also there is another USAF base in southern Oregon that is not shown the map173rd in Kalamath, and I'd be astounded if there were nukes allocated to that in an initial strike due to it being a national guard training base. If we're at that level, might as well add Moses Lake as well since their airport is a secondary field for the 92nd and 141st ARWs, Paine Field, Boeing Field, etc
>>65382002Does she eat the beans?
>>65385780I'm okay with this, if I get to waste poorfags alongside a psychotic Seth Efrican.
>>65380342If you lack a group of friends skilled in survival techniques—such as animal husbandry, agriculture, engineering, mechanics, and medicine—and do not have a bunker located in the southern hemisphere, you are fuckedConsider a scenario where 1,000 nuclear bombs are launched, with 20% failing and 30% being intercepted. This would leave approximately 500 bombs, most of which would target strategic locations like ports, key transportation routes, power plants, dams, and military and communication facilities. At least 200 of these bombs would strike major cities around the globe, including Dhaka, Jakarta, Tokyo, Delhi/Mumbai, Cairo, Seoul, Beijing, Paris, Berlin, London, Washington D.C., Los Angeles, San Francisco, New York, and Moscow. In the initial hours, between 400 and 600 million people would perish. In the following months, billions more die due to the breakdown of global transportation and logistics, along with the effects of radiation, famine, and disease.This assessment does not even factor in the potential destruction or damage to nuclear power plants, which could lead to widespread contamination of the air, water and land over thousands of kilometers, as well as issues like acid rain, radiation exposure, increased cancer rates, birth defects, and the societal collapse that would result in violent struggles for dwindling resources
>>65385700Your apppointment to FEMA should be finalized within a week.
>>65380342Just don't live in a city and you'll be fine. Nukes of today are considerably smaller and cleaner than those fearmongered during the cold war and detection/interception technology has come a long way, specifically in the US. Society would not collapse, instead you would immediately be drafted into WW3. Now a biological attack? That's where it gets a little tricky.
>>65380342By not living in a city. In fact, a nuclear war would be to America's benefit.
>>65386831>Your children dying of dysentery and starvation would actually be a good thingYou have no idea how bad things would actually be.
>>65385976>Society would not collapse,Just in time shipping and the fact that it's entirely possible not a single thing in your bedroom was produced in the same state as you says hello.
