How come these kind of weapons never caught on in europe, and how effective were they?
What?
>>65385022Polearms?
>>65385025>>65385026none of those look a guandao. They are polearms but the blade part is a very different shape
>>65385022Because swords were good enough until plate armour.
>>65385029So the question is "why didn't this specific blade shape see polearms use in Europe", the answer is ascetics.
>>65385029Polearms come in many forms even in the same country
>>65385022European and Middle-Eastern metallurgy wasn't dumpster tier. The guandao only makes sense in an environment where armor is either limited or not very good.
>>65385035that's closer but the blade extends down the shaft whereas the guando in OP extends from the end of the wood. your image It's probably used quite differently basically as a giant axe
>>65385029>>65385022Because Europeans wore metal armor not whatever the fuck the chinese were wearing
>>65385038Nobody knows what the actual battlefield use of the guandao was. Modern techniques were all developed long after the weapon fell out of favor.
For cavalry polearms, which was better at the tip: a blade or a blunt striking head?
>>65385159Something pointy to stab people.
>>65385022What? Glaives were very common in Europe.>>65385159Probably depends on how they were used. I don't know how the chinese used glaives on horseback and as far as I know european cavalry didn't use them as they focused on the lance.
>>65385146I bet it was more durable than a spear and would have more force behind it. Three kingdoms is full of characters with very heavy halberds that weigh like 20kg
>>65385174>european cavalry didn't use themDepends on your definition of 'European' because sovnya were used.
>>65385445No definition of European includes subhumans from asia.
>>65385452Okay, then Coustilliers.
>>65385445>RussiaTheir military was arguably mostly a knock-off Mongolian/Turkish army in terms of equipment until the new order regiments of the 17th century. Which makes sense as they mostly fought against Asians until the 16/17th century when they started getting into more direct confrontations with Polish and Swedish forces.>>65385475>CoustilliersVoulges had a distinctly pointy end compared to the guandao or sovnya. So it could double as a lance if needed. Frankly coustilliers were often equipped with lances rather than voulges anyway.
>>65385445Russian wikipedia states:>Although there are quite a lot of sources on the armament of the Russian cavalry, there are no written, pictorial, or any other sources that indicate the possibility of using weapons of this type.>The weapon specimen that could have served as the prototype for Viskovatov's drawings is currently unknown.>O. V. Dvurechensky, in his study of Russian weaponry from the late 15th to early 17th centuries, notes that there are no similar weapons from this period in museum collections [ 10 ] . >According to A. N. Chubinsky, it could have been a 17th-century palm [ 11 ] , borrowed from the indigenous peoples of Siberia, possibly the Yakuts or Tungus (Evenki).>>65385512Coutilier was a similar term to men-at-arms: usually a non-noble but still rather wealthy professional soldier. As such their armament varied for dismounted and mounted combat.
>>65385737Whoops, the latter part about the Coutilier was meant for >>65385475
>>65385228Three Kingdoms is an anachronistic poem like The Odyssey.
>>65385026No horses. In Europe they used panda cavalry
>>65385022https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xIhCesfbYA
>>65385022Fauchards?
>>65385170This. Horses add a lot of momentum.
>>65385032>asceticsascetic /ə-sĕt′ĭk/noun A person who renounces material comforts and leads a life of austere self-discipline, especially as an act of religious devotion. In the early church, one who devoted himself to a solitary and contemplative life, characterized by devotion, extreme self-denial, and self-mortification; a hermit; a recluse; hence, one who practices extreme rigor and self-denial in religious things. Similar: hermit recluse The science which treats of the practice of the theological and moral virtues, and the counsels of perfection.
>>65385029>>65385025Funny how chinese and europeans independently invented crescent blade halberds.
