>be Ireland>spend 0.2 % of your GDP on defence>army consists of 6000 light infantry with a handful of Mowag Piranha APCs>navy consists of four 2000 ton offshore patrol boats armed with a 76mm gun, two 340 ton inshore boats>air force is a handful of general purpose aircraft, no combat aircraft whatsoeverHow come they get away with this? They have no ability to police their air- and sea-space despite the sea in their territory being full of vital transatlantic comms cables and pipelines. They can't even detect Russian planes or ships snooping around unless they have their transponders switched on. How come they get a free ride?
They rely on the UK for their defense.
>>65391449They are a tax haven and are right next to extremely strategic waterways. The UK and US have them covered.
>>65391459fpbp/thread
>>65391449When putin dies they'll send their condolences.
>>65391449The more you learn about the Irish the more you realize Cromwell did nothing wrong.
>>65391459>They rely on the UK for their defense.>The UK and US have them covered.and the bongs and burgers are okay with the irish ripping them off? or does ireland pay something for its defense?
>>65391449Any aggressor that can even get to them has implicitly wiped the floor with much bigger fish than them, so its a pointless investment for anything other than UN peacekeeping; which is itself obviously pointless but it looks good politically. Same situation as New Zealand.
>>65391449because the troubles were troublesome and the UK doesn't want any more fire bombing.
>>65391507Yeah, we don't care. The USA loves ireland. Ireland is Taiwan-tier on the list of countries we'd go to war for.
>>65391514Russian ships and planes can get up to all sorts of hi-jinx with the vital undersea cables in their waters and the Irish can't detect them, never mind stop them.
So what's stopping them from having a bunch of frigates and a couple squadrons of used F-16s so they can have some fucking dignity instead of freeloading?
>>65391507>ripping them offNo such thing. The UK and US are doing what's in their own interest, and that just coincidentally also covers Ireland.
Ireland and Luxembourg are micro-nation tax havens whose role is to deprive the real countries of Europe of tax revenue while relying on those same countries to protect them. Absolutely contemptible.
>>65391527Russian ships and planes can't even get to irish waters without the bongs explicit permission.>>65391528>muh dignity>muh freeloadingForeign aid-dependent thirdie hands typed this post.
>>65391507They pay nothing and the RAF intercepts Russian aircraft in their airspace for some reason.
>>65391537>Russian ships and planes can't even get to irish waters without the bongs explicit permission.Christ, have you ever even looked at a map?
>>65391518>>65391534>t. sheamus o´brian
>>65391449Who's going to invade them?
>>65391528There is nothing undignified about having other countries willing to die on your behalf.
>>65391551the american king?
>>65391449they don't stir shit in every part of the globe so no one tries to retaliate on their population and also live on a civilised continentthe same way you have no fences in the good neighborhoods
>>65391587lol, how quickly history is forgotten...
>>65391551Muslims
>>65391606That was an internal conflict in the six counties unrelated to the government of the Irish Republic.
>>65391507>and the bongs and burgers are okay with the irish ripping them off?Better question is : what should be done about it, anon ?
>>65391606that's not the irish government, smartass
>>65391618>>65391670>amerisharts don't know about Sinn FéinOf course
>>65391507>closest thing they have to a military threat is Russia>even if the Russkies were actually competent enough to attempt an invasion, they can't reach Ireland without going through Great Britain first>the UK therefore acts as a convenient buffer, defending the ROI as a side-effect of its own national defensefor the UK at least it's more of a commensalist relationship than a parasitic one
It's just outrageous that the armed forces have been neglected to the point that you are completely unable to control your own territory. Ireland has harvested a mountain of shekels both from the EU (German and British taxpayers) and from setting business rates artificially low to jew the very countries who subsidised them and now defend them for free.
>>65391689no-one is going to invade Ireland except the invaders their own politicians bring in, but there is vital infrastructure in the waters which they have no idea if it's being fucked with. The Russians sometimes do an incursion just because they can to shit them up.
>>65391706>no-one is going to invade Ireland except the invaders their own politicians bring in,True of all Europe except maybe a couple of Baltic states
If they can chase the English off with a handful of rifles and bombs, they can defend themselves from the dreaded Russians.They don't fight out in the open like your "Annie Mays", they use subterfuge and terror to bleed the invader dry, like those goat fuckers against the Mutt Industrial Complex.
>>65391774You are 14 years old
>>65391507>and the bongs and burgers are okay with the irish ripping them off?not really, if you're following both official and unofficial public debates in this area, but what can you do?Ireland is the freeloader in the college group assignment teamwhat can you do with freeloaders when there is no prof to complain to, or when the college administration doesn't force them to contribute?you tell them to contribute what little they can, ignore the brickbats from the peanut gallery (because they will insist on commenting loudly and critically on everyone else's work, while giving a host of excuses for their own), and everyone else gets on with workand that's what the bongs and burgers do
>>65391449No one is going to attack a tax shelter
>>65391549Yeah but unironically remember we larped even as IRA and funded terror groups into The Troubles because muh Irish grandpa.
>>65391549he's right, did you not see how hard Joe O'Biden buried his face in their ginger pubes when he visited, saying "I'm home"? most americans have some irish blood and it's the most popular kind to have since they're the only white-skinned group to be a victim race like all americans crave to belong to, that's the kind of thing politicians pay the most attention to
This thread seems like some sort of retarded trolling, but who cares enough about Ireland to make it?Is it just Zigs trying to be subtle in spamming more threads about the UK and using it as a side-gate.
>>65391795Fuck kinda answer is that? Was there any hint of falsehood in my statement? Why don't you share your ideas, muttoid?
>>65391551UK
>>65391606thirteen gone but not forgotten, we got eighteen and mountbatten
>>65391889>killed the basedest admiral this side of Cunningham'RA are just fucking pro-communist scum
>>65391889>and mountbattenand some kids
>>65391449>How come they get away with this?Irish Boomers are weird about international relations and defense spending.
>>65391542Have you, pidorovich?
>>65391706>which they have no idea if it's being fucked withExcept they do and you're just being an utter retard?>The RussiansCan't do jack fucking shit to Ireland without explicit consent of the bongs. Seethe more about it, pidor.
>>65391795Which makes him your permanent intellectual superior.
>>65391895he was the best German admiral in WWII I'll give you that>>65391901>british royal>on a boat with unrelated minors say it ain't so that being said, I just like the phrase because it's some peak shit talking
>>65391948mounty more or less laid the foundation for the Cold War RN, it's likely the RN would have been even more disorganised without his input
>>65391684A party that was never in government and wasn't even in Dáil between 1961 and 1997.
>>65391948Well he was allegedly a homosexual paedophile who liked 10-14 year old Sri Lankan boys and he had some weird cuck/wife swap relationship with the heads of Pakistan
1. Ireland is directly inside UK's security environment and athwart the US - UK - EU corridor. Her geographic situation is one of the most secure in the world right now, for a change. There is no realistic territorial threat to her, and no threat at all that is solved by infantry, tanks, or jets. 2. Ireland's airspace does get buzzed by Russian bear bombers who turn off their transponders. Ireland is installing upgraded radar to ensure safe traffic in her airspace. The UK's RAF, which will have been covering these bombers across the North Sea, have permission from Ireland to continue to do so through Irish airspace. This has been interpreted as the Irish being defended by the RAF, but the bombers are threatening the UK, not Ireland. There is nothing in Ireland to threaten. The agreement also means that the RAF can intercept these bombers well away from the UK and at a remove that allows the obfuscation of response times. 3. Ireland is an island with no strategic resources of steel, coal, or oil; no heavy industry; no manufacturing capacity; and no expertise in any field that could be turned to developing weapons or ammunition for defense. She is food and water secure, but literally everything else is imported - and pretty much all of that via one port. There is essentially no tree cover, and hardly any mountains worthy of the name. In short, even with large conventional forces, she is not defensible. 4. Ireland is not the EU's 'weak link', for, were she taken over by some enemy force, that force would find itself just sitting on a damp island in the Atlantic with nowhere to go. The actual threat is that 75% of all internet traffic between North America and Europe passes through her EEC. For this, she needs to - and plans to - develop her naval capacity which is currently basically nil. Meantime, her waters are widely considered to be crawling with US, UK, and French submarines. Cont.
>>65392123>athwartAstride?
Nobody is going to invade them besides the pakistanis and africans they import
>>65391774>chase the English off Northern Ireland is still part of the UK
>>65392153Yeah NATO is just a scam
>>65392173I agree. t. John Lutheran of Missouri Oblast
>>65392173Uh huh. Test that assumption at your own peril, pidorovich. No really, fucking do it. I wish a zigger would.
>>65392174>He must secretly be [person/group the Government tells us is the bad guy]
>>653921235. Ireland is defenseless from the point of view of fighting off Russia - but that is, and never was - Ireland's primary threat. Ireland can contribute in meaningful *other* ways to common EU defense against Russia, but her own reality has not changed no matter what tinpot Tzar is banging a drum a thousand miles away. Her defense forces exist purely to retain equipment and knowledge to seed assymetrical resistance in the event she is again invaded by the British, even if it is impolite nowadays to say so. 6. If Ireland is facing a realistic danger of invasion, then the world as we all know it has ceased to be long before. Spending billions on conventional defence would be a morally repugnant waste of money just to keep up with the Joneses. Ireland has upgraded and hardened her non-conventional defences, and continues to do so. 7. Ireland owes no moral debt of mutual defence to any other country save France and Spain, and no legal obligation to anyone. What Estonians or Poles or Swedes have to say on the matter is neither here nor there to her. She had this written into the Lisbon treaty before it was finally ratified. Plenty laughed at the silly Paddys taking two attempts to pass that Treaty, but that was why and you never questioned it. 8. It also bears mention that Ireland does not somehow 'steal' money from the rest of the EU by virtue of her competitive tax rates for US corporations. Firstly, stop giving your money to US corporations. Secondly, once you do, it's their money we're taxing, not yours. Thirdly, eight other EU nations have lower rates than Ireland, Ireland is just better. Fourthy, tax is a national competence - there is nothing stopping any other EU country from capturing as much of Apple's money as they care to, it's just easier to kiss Apple's ass and then tell your dumb electorate it's somehow Ireland's fault you're broke.
>>65391449Ireland is a corporate tax haven where international companies park their HQ in to not pay taxes. Corpos own politicians who own the military.
>>65392181It's a scam because Russia isn't a real military threat ,brainlet
>>65391487Cromwell permanently set back Anglo culture particularly even if came to classical music
>>65392202>Her defense forces exist purely to retain equipment and knowledge to seed assymetrical resistance in the event she is again invaded by the British, even if it is impolite nowadays to say so.Jesus Christ, in what bizarro alternate universe is that going to happen? For what reason?
>>65392222El checko
>>65392202>Ireland can contribute in meaningful *other* ways to common EU defense against RussiaBlood donations and EU Council votes don't count.
>>65392229It isn't, now. But the Churchill threatened invasion in WW2, and things got a little hairy during the Troubles. During Brexit, the future Home Secretary suggested starving Ireland for leverage. Most of the UK's establishment would consider Irish independence (or the independence of any small country really) as entirely secondary to Britain's need.
Dublin should built at least one metro line.
>>65392239Good, as you're not getting those either.
Anyway, back to the thread you bunch of new fags, there's a really good book called "Dark Rose" about Libya invading Eire, first through economics then via military action (as crazy as that seems) and its epic!
>>65392187>[person/group the Government tells us is the bad guy]>he needs the government to tell him this is evil and unhuman
>>65392256>Foreign forces have infiltrated the country—buying influence, eliminating opposition, and preparing to seize control from within.Gee, sounds like a certain country and it ain't Libya.
>>65392263>They're ugly therefore their evilStones and glass houses anon Plus they don't affect my life
>>65392239>Blood donations
>>65392378yes
>>65391507>the bongs and burgersThe bong and burger companies that park their headquarters in Ireland for bottom rate corporate tax are very ok with it :^)
>>65391449Ireland is the West Bank of Europe.
>>65392563Also the New Zealand of Europe
>>65392378>They're ugly therefore their evilno they are ugly because they are ugly they are evil because they are evil implying they are not evil because they are ugly is ... fucking retarded
>>65392563>ynr that the British Army assumed that they would be way better at COIN than the Americans in 2001 due to their experience in Northern Ireland
>>65392576It's kind of crazy how New Zealand turned into Sri Lanka within 1 generation
>>65392602I genuinely consider New Zealand to be an active threat to the Anglosphere
>>65391449They are neutral per their constitution but have always aligned towards cooperation with the UK and USA. Downed German pilots in WWII were kept as POWs but downed Allied pilots were allowed to "escape" to NI. The Brits would certainly prefer a disarmed and cooperative Ireland to a militarized one that might demand Ulster back.
>>65391889I never got why they assassinated one of the most pro-irish unification and forward thinking guys in the UK establishment, that purposefully didn't run around with much of a security detail because he was pretty popular and had been out and about holidaying in that part of the world for like 20-30 years already. The subsequent implications of pedophilia in the gullible like >>65391948 >>65392014 this shit just kind of confirms to me it was a commie op aimed at weakening the USSR facing UK establishment in a quid pro quo for arms and support rather than anything aimed at actually advancing fundamental IRA goals. I have no idea why Americans love the IRA so much when they were pretty up front about being commie fifth columnists.
>>65392123You're missing the chip fabs, tech hubs, datacenters and undersea cables. Russia absolutely do have a reason to fuck with Ireland, even if the Irish public refuse to acknowledge it.
>>65392245>Churchill threatened invasionlolno, there was an agreement that British troops would help defend Ireland in the event of a German invasion though. >the future Home Secretary suggested starving Ireland for leverageDidn't you literally just say Ireland was food secure? In any case show me a country where a politician hasn't said something absolutely unhinged and then got the shit kicked out of them in the media for it. There aren't many in the UK that actually like Priti Patel, it was never a serious proposal. The kernel of truth is in there though that if the EU 'blockaded' the UK by refusing to make reasonable trading arrangements, Ireland would have been hurt by the nature of a lot of imports previously happening via the UK. > Most of the UK's establishment would consider Irish independence (or the independence of any small country really) as entirely secondary to Britain's need.Can you read that back to yourself for a second - Ireland is independent of the UK. Why should the UK consider Ireland's needs superior to her own? What a dumb take.
>>65392647Hollywood. Who would have thought that they would glorify commies, huh?
>>65392588The British have fought several successful counter-insurgency wars in the 20th century.
>>65392647Mountbatten certainly was bisexual, his nickname in WWII was "Mount Bottom" and he was resented for his rapid promotion due to his royal blood. There is zero proof he was a paedophile. His murder was a setback for Republicans. He was a genial and popular man in Ireland and killing him just repulsed many potential supporters.
>>65392631The Luftwaffe "accidentally" bombed Dublin as a warning.
>>65392588Brits also offered advice based on their experiences after the Malayan insurgency. Considering how well the Americans did in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan, perhaps they should have listened to the Brits.
>>65392679He also neglected to to mention the fact that Churchill also offered Northern Ireland to the republic in exchange for the naval bases. So it's not like even Churchill considered invasion as a preferable option even in desperation.
>>65393116>less than 10000 Malayan guerillas compared to half a million NVA, 200k Vietcong, and the materiel and logistical support of the PRC and USSR
>>65391507Ireland would rather the UK fuck off, getting free defense is a nice byproduct of the english demanding Ireland because god save the queen or what have you.
>>65393169These are the same negros that say "we were there for you after 9/11" because they sent Andy from Manchester over in the back of an American Hercules, and the American Humvee he was patrolling in got blown up by a roadside IED. These people love roleplaying as though they did jack shit ever, like that time they lost the whole of europe to the germans and were being bombed in London, but 'won WW2' after America came and saved them a year later
>>65391507>and the bongs and burgers are okay with the irish ripping them off?who else is gonna threathen them?if ivans or chinks send their ships nearby for nefarious purposes it's the same as sending them by the UKireland is already ripping everyone off by being a tax heaven that's a much bigger burdenthey cry about being pacifist while spouting peacenik nonsense and supporting various terrorists just for lulz, they are too far gone mentally, noone expects them to contribute to european defence
>>65391507ireland has basically no beef with anyone so anyone making beef with them is almost certainly doing it as a springboard into beefing with england, which the us won't tolerate because they're our allies and the uk won't tolerate because they are englandsimple as
>>65391528They're ruled by the most retarded leftists in the entirety of the Anglosphere. Seriously, their politicians are so fucking retarded that they put New Zealanders, Australians and British to shame. Even Canadians for that matter.
>>65391587>also live on a civilised continent>the same way you have no fences in the good neighborhoodsahahahahahahahaha
>>65393178>queenanon i...
>>65391587>and also live on a civilised continent>the same way you have no fences in the good neighborhoodsThey are actively speedrunning the destruction of this
>>65393768;_;
for western europe theres really no reason not to do the same, except for its obligations to allies. thats why they all have small conventional armies and relatively large sf and light inf. its expeditionary because its set up to join other allies and slot in on missions around the world
>>65391507>Be Ireland>Fight a decades long, brutal, insurgency for 'muh independence', killing large numbers of your own people>Ignore the fact that Britain was probably going to grant you 90% of what the independence movement was fighting for in a few years as Home Rule became a larger and larger part of British imperial doctrine (it helps cut administrative and military costs dramatically)>Also ignore that the entire thing was paid for and armed by the Kaiser as a tactic to try to weaken Britain in the middle of WWI>Bend the knee to a foreign government whose explicit stated goal is to centralize all power under its own control pretty much the moment that the option becomes available>Rely on your hated enemy to be the final arbiter of your national defense>Keep chimping out in Northern Ireland, killing people you claim to see as your countrymen and driving them to militarize and hate you, until terrorism suddenly stops being 'cool' in September of 2001Is this what happens when a country is run by people who drink whiskey like water?
>>65391449Ireland doesn't need a military because it is relatively isolated from any potential conflict front and anything that threatens Ireland will also threaten Britain so they can always rely on the UK to bail them out. Ireland just maintains a purely nominal military for civil contingencies and to make a contribution to UN peacekeeping. More Irish join the British Army than their own defence forces.
>>65391449>Be Switzerland>Also have many friendly, strong European countries acting as a buffer against obvious threat of Russia>Similar size and population to Ireland>Despite this have a strong military with militias, bunkers everywhere and F-18's>Even has a nuclear programmeWhy is Switzerland different than Ireland?
>>65393985What if the Fir Bolg come back?
>>65391507It's cute that you think international arrangements like this are some kind of charity
>>65394032Switzerland has a martial tradition that Ireland never had in the same way - Switzerland's army was the fundamental expression of the spirit of its nation. The country was originally founded as a military pact, and even after declaring neutrality Swiss mercenaries fought in other countries' wars for centuries.
>>65394032Its surrounded by autists.
>>65394046>Switzerland has a martial traditionRemember that time Switzerland was so thoroughly anus-blasted around 1799 that it hasn't fought another country in over 200 years
>>65394032They wouldn't be good bankers if they couldn't take care of their customers' gold. Even if Ireland had something to protect, the British have been doing the job for centuries.
>>65391507What can they do? Any threat to Is a threat to the UK.This is the textbook case for the much maligned mid-20th century sphere of influence theory applies. If anything they get a good deal on defense, because it means they don't need to coordinate too much.
>>65394051Swiss themselves are super autists created by blending the surrounding autism.
>>65394032For most of their history they faced the threat of invasion. The NATO buffer only began in 2004 when Slovakia joining closed the gap between Poland and Hungary and they're not so naive to believe that it would automatically last forever. They also used to have a decent military industry and maintaining the armed forces was directly tied to that.Meanwhile the Republic of Ireland had little to fear from the UK trying to reclaim the land and seaborne invasions have always been highly doubtful.The key problem for Switzerland is that all their military power couldn't stop them from losing their autonomy. Something like the Wahlen plan would no longer be possible.
>>65392647What are these crumpets going to do next, besmirch our beloved Prince Andrew!?
>>65392647>never got why they assassinated one of the most pro-irish unification and forward thinking guys in the UK establishmentThe Hibernian is not noted for intelligence
>>65391463Ireland is a tax haven?
>>65394055If they proportionally contributed to the UK defence budget what the UK does based on GDP, the UK would be able to afford a lot more cool fighter jets and ships. For that reason alone I am against Irish freeloading and think they should be charged a fee.
>>65392214That's not how any of that works, pidorovich. You subhumans cannot be trusted to act rationally.
>>65392658>Russia absolutely do have a reasonWhich is meaningless as they effectively have no ability.
>>65393169>muh 200k VietcongThat's not even an excuse for failure, that's literally the OUTCOME of the US' failed approach.
>>65393984>muh home ruleA softer leash is still a leash, bootlicker.>muh KaiserSo fucking what? Money don't stink and a weapon from the krauts kills the occupier just fine, and that's all that truly matters.Rest of your post is too retarded and divorced form reality to be even worth talking about. How many of your ancestors did the IRA kill to make you this butthurt?
>>65391507It's intentional, it' to keep them soft. As a consequence, Irelands opinion never matters and people do whatever they want with Ireland. Pretty sweet deal.
>>65394290>How many of your ancestors did the IRA kill to make you this butthurt?None at all Paddy, thank god there's no connection between my family and Ireland. I just find their Chimpout in the early 20th century absolutely hilarious.
>>65394579>he seethes about something he has no relation to at allimagine unironically admitting this, even anonymously
>>65394046>The country was originally founded as a military pactSorta off-topic but is Switzerland the kind of "sovereignty association" that Quebec separatists keep clamoring for Canada to become?
>>65391507>burgers are okay with the irish ripping them off?burgers get in return a tax haven for megacorps in the EU
>>65394053They had a little civil war in the 1850s, and while their role in WW2 was peripheral, it did exist. the Swiss Air Force engaged both Axis and Aliied planes that strayed over the border, shooting down a few (on both sides) and despite being neutral Switzerland was bombed repeatedly by the Allies targeting factories producing goods for export to Germany, including a big Blitz-style raid over Zurich in 1944 which killed over 80 civilians.
>>65394625Not really. Pre-Napoleonic Switzerland was more loosely associated but nowadays it's a federal republic, basically the USA in miniature with its 26 cantons being equivalent to states.
>>65394672Sounds needlessly complicated in Anno Domini 2026.
>>65393116In Vietnam the issue wasn't the insurgency (the VC were basically treated like Donbabweans, they nearly got wiped out by the Tet Offensive and were replaced by North Vietnamese regulars) but the fact that the US was trying to avoid a war like Korea. The "muh rice farmers" meme is exactly that, an idea that spread because it can survive and become stronger as it gets retold. But it's not reality.Iraq basically deserves an entire effortpost on its own, but Afghanistan really shows that a better COIN strategy wouldn't have done squat.We had our nominal allies aiding the Taliban by giving them safe haven or sending them money. Afghanistan had a ton of jobless men whose only choices to get a paycheck were farming opium poppies or insurgency. And the most rugged terrain happens to be where the tribes hold the most influence, not whatever the fuck they government is saying in Kabul.Better counter-insurgency wouldn't target their funding mechanisms. It would require going against allies.Denying the Taliban access to Pakistan would require a much greater kinetic response and a major diplomatic kerfuffle.Fixing the entire country so that people don't join the insurgency would require creating an economy for them, and somehow fix the corruption which would basically mean the return of colonialism and put Americans in charge with young Afghan future leaders raised within the system so they can apply Western democratic values to governance rather than defaulting to thirdie kelptocracy once the Murricans leave.
>>65394032Switzerland was surrounded by many enemies and bad actors for a long time and they made sure that anyone trying to take their country are gonna die by the thousands
>>65391449Ireland hasn’t had a major enemy since the English somewhat were kicked out they’ve never really needed a military per se now they still need one but neglect it and treat their veterans horribly
>>65391449Because who the fuck would invade Ireland of all places? They don't need anything major, just enough to be able to put up enough resistance to make it not worth it and deal with domestic issues.
>>65391449The only thing the Irish fight for is their right to import more 3rd worlders and to keep the English out
>>65394234Here's the thing.It's not their problem that it's not their problem, because it isn't their problem.The benefits great powers get from their great power status, they have to pay for in things their great power status affords them. In this context this is defense. The Irish are free to cut deals with other regional players, who will readily offer them more favorable agreements, therefore they are able to hold the British hostage for their own security.Great powers are powerful hammers, but significantly more vulnerable if they cannot wield their military might.See Transcendental Warfare and the current Iran crisis for more examples.
>>65394194Yes
>>65391487>lets the jews back in>did nothing wrong
>>65391459UK navy is having procurement and maintenance problems.https://youtube.com/watch?v=pXMq-vu1M0Q
>>65391507>or does ireland pay something for its defense?Every major US company that does buissness in the EU does it through Ireland. The minimal cost of military operations in Irish air and sea space is more than offset by the GARGANTUAN hit to the financial sector pissing off Ireland would cause.
>>65394032It's fucking alpine for one. Easily defendable.
>>65392229Give it 50-100 years. Once the UK becomes majority muslim, there's no way they will stay at peace with a christian nation they share a land border with.
>>65394032They are the mountain jew. They know one day all their neighbours will realize how much of a scourge on the cobtinent they are and will try to destroy them.
>>65391518>we'd go to war for.Delusional
>>65397075They aren't going to share a land border in 50 years.
>>65397081>Delusional that America would go to war for IrelandI think you underestimate how much Americans LARP as Plastic Paddies. In this woke era, every white American is desperate to claim Irish heritage. It's basically winning the jackpot of modern identity politics - you get all the practical advantages of White Privilege, but you never get called out on them because you can simultaneously invoke Colonial Victimhood. Being an official Victim grants you moral superiority over others. Plus they get to dress up in rebel chic by singing "ooh ah up the 'Ra" and pretend to be brave warriors by proxy.
>>65397075Ireland legalized elective abortion.
>>65391689What does the UK get out of it?
>>65396169>kick out jews>go bankrupt >let in jews>build greatest empire of all time It's that easy.
>>65397505Northern Ireland
>>65392245>Most of the UK's establishment would consider Irish independence (or the independence of any small country really) as entirely secondary to Britain's need.>Country A puts its own needs ahead of country BWoah
>>65392612There's a reason 5 eyes is effectively just 3
>>65397511An economic black hole it offered the Republic back, and only keeps while the majority of northern Ireland wishes to remain in the UK?No, what does the Republic of Ireland offer the UK, I'm being serious
>>65397511Northern Ireland is a millstone around the neck of the UK economy.
>>65391449>How come they get away with this?In pretty much every war indlcudingWW1The American civil warThe Zulu warsThe Conquest of IndiaThe napoenonic warsThe english civil warThe great Northern WarThe napoleonic warsThe 7 years waretc etc etcIrish were recrited often by both sides. They are basically a mercenary nation and particularly suited to infantry due to genetics. It's pretty much an international arrangement that no one goes to war with them and they are no longer available. Even then they inveted modern guirella warfare and would be a fucking nightmare if they were motivated. They do good cop stuff for the UN. The world is better off that way. Ukraine is the same shit. They should be fenced off and be neutral before they go and make the french and british a new empire or recolonise India. Anyone who invades them would have bombings in their capital city that week. It's just not worth it.
>>65398120they are the same as 'the republic' genetically designed for killing people and being a pain in the ass
>>65391480>When putin dies they'll send their condolences.https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/irishman-who-fought-for-ukraine-sentenced-to-14-years-in-prison-by-russian-authorities-1934473.htmlhttps://www.rte.ie/news/2024/0923/1471403-ukraine-irish-man/
>>65398143They'll fight for anyone who offers them money and drink. They're cattle.
>>65391449realistically the greatest threat to ireland is the irish they don't need much of any army
>>65391449/k/ should invade ireland
>>65391606Baene?
>>65394032>surrounded by austria, germany, france and italyGee it really makes you fucking wonder now don't it?
>>65397426>I think you underestimate how much Americans LARP as Plastic Paddies.That's the point - LARP. Murricans like to LARP as many things. Being defenders of democracy is one of those things. Or being the arsenal of democracy. And much such other things. Yet we see how now the US is deliberately starving ukies of air defense as point to help russians (Reagan is spinning in his grave).
>65393984>Be USA>Fight a decade long, brutal, insurgency for 'muh independence', killing large numbers of your own people>Ignore the fact that Britain was probably going to grant you 90% of what the independence movement was fighting for in a few years as Home Rule became a larger and larger part of British imperial doctrine (it helps cut administrative and military costs dramatically)>Also ignore that the entire thing was paid for and armed by the French as a tactic to try to weaken Britain>Bend the knee to a foreign government whose explicit stated goal is to centralize all power under its own control pretty much the moment that the option becomes available>Keep chimping out in Canada, killing people you claim to see as your countrymen and driving them to militarize and hate you, until terrorism suddenly stops being 'cool' in August of 1814Is this what happens when a country is run by people who drink whiskey like water?
>>65391507It's not a rip off, it's just a matter of geography for the UK. They RAF would still *want* to patrol and cover that area because it's fucking right next to the UK, so it's not like it really matters if Ireland pays for it or not, there is no scenario where the British won't monitor the skies and seas around Ireland because the skies and seas of Ireland are also the skies and seas of the UK.The whole island could literally disappear tomorrow, it still means the RAF has to scramble to monitor a Russian airplane flying over that airspace.
>>65399036>>Ignore the fact that Britain was probably going to grant you 90% of what the independence movement was fighting for in a few years as Home Rule became a larger and larger part of British imperial doctrine (it helps cut administrative and military costs dramatically)The British government being amicable to Home Rule is a direct result of the American Chimpout, it doesn't precede it. Westminster "learned their lesson" with 1776, without it they'd likely have been a lot stricter with Canada or Australia.The real tragedy is that the UK was also on the brink of peacefully granting Home Rule to Ireland in 1914, but then World War I started and the government shelved that proposal "for later" and the rest is history.t. dual US-UK citizen so actually neutral on this
>>65391507>cost us nothing
>>65399144Home Rule could have happened as early as 1890, if not for the Charles Stewart Parnell adultery scandal.
>>65393120 Churchill merely offered to "work toward a declaration in principle of a united Ireland" which is basically a promise that means nothing and was treated as such. Further, the RN didn't really want the southern bases once France fell - they were antique, and subject to German air attack. Covoys were routed north via Derry-Iceland instead. Churchill was an imperialist who resented the independence of any colonial or post-colonial nation. He even tried to blame Ireland for the losses at Scapa Flow, and accused Ireland of 'frolicking' with the Germans and Japanese (Ireland didn't even make contact with Japan until the 1950's). Despite Ireland's covert assistance during the war, he authorised the publication of a letter in the American press accusing Ireland of refusing access to her ports (she was never asked for them) and working with the Axis, just to undercut the Irish-American vote and prevent Ireland from being difficult for Britain in the post-war settlement of Europe, and which still gets parrotted to this day. The guy was a bone-fide asshole of whom even the British got tired of immediately after the war was over; he just gets glazed by UK conservatives and manosphere idiots.
>>65394660the Swiss sent captured allied aircrew to the zigger rape pits
>>65398254Far from it, when they fought at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Fontenoyhttps://thewildgeese.irish/group/the-irish-military-history-group/forum/topics/battle-of-fontenoy-11-may-1745It upsets the british so much that to this day they edit it out of wikipedia in sheer seethe and smashed the british for the french it was much more a revenge thing.The history of the wild geese was an unwillingness by most to serve in the British military when it was militantly anti Catholic, something wellington dropped and fough duels over getting done typically they went into the service of Catholic monnachs liek France and Spain.
>>65401916https://11may1745.wordpress.com/https://www.museum.ie/en-IE/collections-research/art-and-industry-collections/art-industry-collections-list/military-history/irish-soldiers-at-home,-abroad,-and-in-the-21st-ce/soldiering-abroadhttps://www.irishcentral.com/news/irish-medal-honorLater the US served the same pupose
>>65394032Kept their militia culture in tact.Which is what the founding fathers originally were trying to copy with the 2nd amendment. Making it normal for people to go to the range every month to keep them ready as a standing militia force. (Like they do in Switzerland) And to have them also deter the government from becoming tyrannical cunts. (Like they do in Switzerland)It was definitely not intended for how it’s used now. Sold to the public out of fear of criminals and schizos. Or as some kind of macho dumbass expression of freedumb, where everyone is “free”***** but nobody is organized or serious at all in being able to defend their rights as human beans.
