up tha bum ha

>>65394699
Japan was supposed to keep Russia on a short leash but they decided to focus their resources on the Pacific and draw the US into the war. Barbarossa was launched because Hitler (and pretty much everyone else) realized that Japan was getting ready to Invade the Philippines (nobody knew about Pearl Harbor until it was too late)

>>65394699
For what purpose?
What is the strategic goal?

>>65394713
For Nazi Germany's case it was a combination of needing to launch a preemptive attack knowing that the USSR wanted to take Poland wholesale after a couple of years of border skirmishes now that Japan was no longer breathing down their Eastern flank and because you just really hate Bolsheviks and their consequences

>>65394707
The Soviet victory over the Kwantung Army at Khalkhin Gol undermined the legitimacy of the army and the Hokushin-ron expansion policy of the Japanese Empire fell out of favor. Japan was also displeased at the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.

>>65394728
I think the lack of oil was also a major factor, they weren't using synthetic fuel for fun.

>>65394699
Basically do what they did, but lean into the banderites; basically agree with everything they say about independence; in exchange for assistance against the soviets. Hitlers refusal to properly utilize the Ukrainians is probably what cost him the eastern front. Obviously still privately call slavs subhumans if you want, but publicly act like their best friend and that's not only 7 million extra soldiers for yourself but the red army is 25% smaller. With that support, he might have been able to take the oil field in the Caucasus.

>>65394728
*preventive not preemptive. There was no serious evidence the USSR was planning an imminent invasion. It was to stop them being too strong in the future. It was a stupid plan anyway, peace was a far, far better option or at least letting the Soviets be the aggressor

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>>65394699
soviets depend on railways for >90% of their logistics, focus on moscow first to split the enemy in two

>>65394699
>glass it from orbit
>re-terraform it

>>65394779
>>re-terraform it
Unnecessary, glassing the siberian wastelands would be already be an improvement

You probably can't win without the Japs. The Japs wont fight unless:

1. The China war was dealt with or not started.

2. No war was started with the USA

3. The Japs had been able to prepare since at least 1938 so they have enough tanks and heavy weapons so they don't get pimped slapped like they did at Khalkhin Gol.

4. They still trust Germany despite Hitler having allied with the Soviets, their mutual sworn enemy.

Maybe if Hitler hadnt betrayed the Munich Agreement and instead brought Poland onside against the Soviets in 1939, then maybe by 1941 with everyone working together (Nazis, Poland, Japan, Baltics, Finland, Italy, Romania) it could have worked. No US and UK helping and no troops required for France+Norway+Poland+Yugoslavia+Greece occupation would have been a big plus too. In fact, you are probably better off without Italy altogether.

Also, no Molotov Ribbentropp Pact means you start a lot deeper into sovoet territory from the outset too. Maybe a right-wing French government gets into power and is willing to sell you weapons to help. People forget, until Hitler betrayed Muncih they thought he could be used as a weapon against the communists and "worked with"

>>65394754
>There was no serious evidence the USSR was planning an imminent invasion.
short of soviets placing 2 million troops and tens of thousands of vehicles right on the border

>>65394728
What they needed was more oil to even fuel their army. The vast majority of it was still using horses until the very end, hence Hitlers plan to take the caucasus oil fields to then have the resouces needed to finish them off. IMO that's logistically impossible though. Their best bet would have been to send it at moscow and pray to god that the majority of the red army would cease to fight seeing it as a lost cause, especially since the commies weren't even that popular outside of the major russian cities.

>>65394754
>two hyperaggressive imperialistic completely idealogically opposed powers bordering each other
Im sure they'll get alone forever

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>>65394699
>the weiner holocaust
Never forget

>>65394806
>Alaska & USA

>>65394806
>>65394810
Fug
Alaska & USSR

>>65394812
Comparing the border between alaska and the ussr to the one between nazi germany and the ussr is disingenuous at best

>>65394797
Right on the border... on a peacetime footing, with a deployment pattern indicating a defensive posture and with zero logistical or organisatorial preparation for offensive movement of any kind. While the entire soviet leadership were keenly aware after the shitshow with the Finns just how fucked the Red Army's leadership issues were and how they'd need at least another 3-5 years to fix that.

>>65394821
The landing factor does make it harder but nations can hate eachother a lot for a long time without anything major kicking off.
Ask any jeet or paki their opinion of the other.

Today?

1.Exploit the geographic weakness of Russia by attacking everywhere to override logistics and the capacity to build mass on a front.
2. Do a main thrust from Ukraine to Kazakhstan to cut off Southern Russia.
3. Do everything to show that power in the centre is faltering so local warlords shatter the country.

1941?

Set clear demands for Ukraine, Belarus and a supply of oil before the wheels fall off, hope that Stalin cracks and you can make off with the breadbasket.

>>65394747
There was no possibility for keeping those nations alive, the Hunger Plan makes clear that the food situation in Europe entailed both that a famine was to befall Europe one way or another and that the Wehrmacht itself couldn't be supported without living off the land.

>>65394826
why would I take the word of pathological liar russia on this, the war only started because stalin allied with hitler, stalin helped nazis develop tanks and submarines in secret research facilities in ussr

>>65394827
The USSR and Nazi Germany had just spent the last five years invading or annexing every neighbor possible. The odds of them maintaining any kind of enduring peace is extremely unlikely

>>65394699
>they actually thought army group south could punch through to stalingrad and take the whole of caucasus as well

at least army groups north and center got to within binocular range of both culmination points, south got tossed out of Rostov already in '41

>>65394699
call of duty style shoot out after disabling all enemy explosive capabilities

>>65394699
Start in the south and slowly move north, building fortifications as you go.

Russia is really good at fielding massive armies but massive armies take lots of food. By starting in the south where Russia's best farmland is you can put them in a dilemma. Either they don't attack and they can't feed their armies or they do attack and run headlong into prepared defenses.

It would also help if you've got Asian allies willing to take chunks out of Siberia. They don't have to hold it, just divert forces away from your front.

>>65394699
China's doing a pretty good job of showing you the best way. Just surreptitiously buy it piece by piece from the corrupt mobsters that run the place.

>>65394699
base all luftwaffe bombers in finland
bomb the everloving fuck out of leningrad

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They have a bunch of these tiny towns out east that a couple of guys with technicals could probably take.

>>65394699
heh, wiener

>>65394713
to make papa hitler proud

>>65394699
>ban russians from entering the EU territory
>cut off their banking system from the EU banking system
>deport citizens with russian passports and revoke their other EU citizenship (if any)
>build a wall
>deny ships and planes entering EU water/sky
>ban exports of EU poducts to russia and cut exports with re-exporting countries
>sit back and enjoy the shitshow in muscovia

>>65394995
>slave raids are back on the menu

>>65394699
Pentagon, you given up on ChatGPT after what happened in Iran?

>>65394707
>Japan was supposed to keep Russia on a short leash
No communication was happening btw Hitler and Japan, Hitler didn't like them all that much, no matter what the dweebs think - in theory it would work if Japan went full on into Russia instead of other places, but then what happens to China?

>they decided to focus their resources on the Pacific and draw the US into the war.
IRL, The USA was doing so much against Japan that Japan was pretty much forced to start the war against USA. It didn't want to, it HAD to.

>>65394754
>at least letting the Soviets be the aggressor

Why? Germany's only depth was Poland, East Prussia/Romania was directly exposed and retaliatory strikes/bombing would have to fly deep into the USSR, not to mention all the local resources and manpower the Soviets could pull from Belorussia and Ukraine.

>>65395429
Japan completely wanted war with USA, just on more favorable terms.

>>65394699
Take St. Petersberg first so the Baltic becomes your lake and allows easy resupply. Then it's an easy stroll east to Moscow.

>>65396143
Great, you can now transport all that oil you don't have using boats that require oil.

>>65394699
The other way. Russia's East Coast is basically unguarded. You can roll tanks and take everything up to the Ob river and Vladimir is such a dipshit he couldn't do anything about it

It was pointed out even at the time that, even if Germany were to capture the oil fields of Baku, Grozny, and Maykop, it lacked adequate means to transport the oil.

>>65394699
realistically like the chinese
be a better marriage prospect than the local useless drunk 75 iq bum

>>65394699
Not going full retard and murdering all the civilians along the way would help. There were A LOT of people who fucking hated Stalin and would have been fully willing to provide real support to the Germans if they hadn't been goddamn Nazis.

>>65394699
Destroy everything. Every brick. Soviets are even less capable than germans, and for lack of any advantage to terrain and nothing to take, they can't construct supply lines. They literally exist to steal.
Germans can run supply over dead burned lands.

>>65396906
The issue is that they did NOT kill them all.

>>65394699
Why would I want to invade it? Nuke Mosque-ow and Saint Pidorsburg, then leave them alone forever.

>>65394699
I wouldn't. I'd listen, which nobody did.

>>65394756
get off the keyboard France Holder!

>>65394794
>Someone else realizes how much of a foreign policy retard hitler was
it's amazing how strong Germany could have been had Hitler or his commies alternative taken power desu
>a right-wing French government
much more likely to be a Spanish style civil war desu.
>No US or UK helping
UK maybe as it was too poor to be goaded into war by fabian socialists, but the US was being run by progs, pinkos and outright commies since hoover with outright dictatorship by FDR who was too much of a commie and warmonger to miss a war in Europe, especially against Wall Street and state dept's darlings in Moscow

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>>65394826
> with zero logistical or organisatorial preparation for offensive movement of any kind.
This is not a concern for soviet high command in 1941
>3-5 years
the soviets would have very much declared war on Hitler around 1942 May-June to mediocre results which the nazis shitting themselves beforehand just like how they shat themselves before ww1 by guessing they couldn't defeat Russia after 1917(which likely wasn't the case due to russian command and the german willingness to loot themselves to fund a total war which the russians would be too optimistic to do)

>>65397406
Direct intervention was still off the table in the US prior to Pearl Harbour even with all the pinkos in government and Germany fighting the UK , France, Poland, etc..

US still would have tried selling USSR weapons but without invading Persia there is no way to get them into the USSR cleanly. Germany/Fins could cut off the north and Japan could cut off imports to the east. Thats like..60% right there. A thrust into the oilfields cuts off Persia too even if the US/UK open the route and there is no issues.

Édouard Daladier was already a center-right leader in France. France had a strong conservative anti-communist voting bloc. You don't need a fascist overthrow just a friendly government to sell you shells and give you a clean supply of food, oil, rubber, steel, etc..

The Nazis were terrible at running the economies of occupied territories. A friendly, productive, Europe would have been a huge boon to the German war effort. It would have alleviated shortages and increased Germany's ability to put more troops and equipment in the field.

>>65394699
Win at Dunkirk, don't do the Battle of Britain, make sure the Italians don't get bogged down so we can launch a week or two earlier and get more troops from them, and get Turkey and Sweden on our side.

Even then the odds are iffy at best. I'd put the extra pilots to work destroying more Russian kit on the first couple of weeks before it can retreat and then them(plus the extra men from Sweden) onto assault Leningrad head on instead of sieging it. We'd still need to take Moscow by December (or at least surround it) and even with the extra men and extra pilots and extra time that's a hard ask.

If that somehow worked out, 1942 would be Stalingrad with Turkish help and 1943 would mostly be defeating Soviet counterattacks and making small positional gains while bombing as much as we can