What's everyone's favorite rumored or top-secret military aircraft, weapon, or black project? Could be real, declassified, or purely speculative.
was there ever an acknowledgement or spec released of the so-called "stealth blackhawks" that took the seals on the bin laden mission. and then you know...didn't take them out?
Project MARAUDER plasma railgun
>>65395328from what I remember, the rumor was that the stealthhawk(s) were 1-off abandoned prototypes from the 90s used just for that raid and were apparently scrapped right after
>>65395313My dick can break reality. The government doesn't want you to know this.
I like the rumors of the SR72 that spawned for this.
>>65395344People still think the SR72 is real or in active development by the way
>>65395344bruh Locksneed posted and removed multiple webpages and references to the SR-72 as far back as 17 years ago long before this movie.https://youtu.be/QlMX6TYdU7I?si=KR8gBNcOcQ0WBlLu
>>65395329I want to believe.
idk if it counts but the USN had to make it very, very clear that these were movie props and not real aircraft, and were oddly specific in their wording that they did not have an operational unmanned senitent combat jet. Supposedly Chinese imaging satellites were beaming the Abraham Lincoln non stop going "um excuse me what the fuck is that".
>>65395313https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Xwnbg4vXOk&t=284
>>65395313I want the Alien reproduction vehicle Fluxliner to be real.
>>65395371They're lying through their teeth. Airplane girls are real and the B2 bombers have fully sapient AIs onboard in addition to all kinds of even crazier tech.
>>65395313USW mothership. sends "drones" on "Scouting missions" with enough explosives in them to completely disable a submarine. So not much, but it doesn't need much.
>>65395313OKAY GUYS i had an ideaIt's like a windshield boot for your car only it sticks to the side of a ship. It's packed to the gills with explosives and will detonate if removed or remotely. The purpose is to tell an enemy with ships harassing you to kindly fuck off or the boot goes kaboom. Imagine it, the CCG is harassing some filipino ships, spraying their little water cannon, crashing into each other all of a sudden you got some explosives laden on your ship and they're like fuck off or we blow your hulls.
>>65395373Won't forget the intro>I'LL BE BACK BY CHRISTMASand then it's him in the trench going>Whoa there goes one, whoa there goes another haha...And then it goes to a shell landing right on top of him.
>>65395313pye wacket
>>65395835Lenticular aircraft absolutely stopped being developed in the '60s. No one would be crazy enough to make a nuclear powered flying football.
>>65395995
>>65395313>mfw the nazi breakaway civilization owns all of it
nuclear powered space lasers
>>65395313My head canon:>be TR-3B>have some kind of mechanical problem>forced to choose between flying over a major city or taking the long way around and increasing risk of crash and exposure>choose city>scramble A-10s and order them to shoot flares for no fucking reason>it was totally just flares lol >the Phoenix Lights
>>65395371>oddly specific in their wording that they did not have an operational unmanned senitent combat jet.reminds me of that Lockheed twitter post about the SR-71 with like four extra qualifiers proclaiming is most definitely still the fastest air breathing, manned, in operation, terrestrial, fuel-burning aircraft
the f47
>>65396136isnt that that boeing repeat low earth orbital flying wing thing from the early 2000s that was vaporware?I think someone found leftover simulation air test model data on that off old Silicon graphics machines
>>65395313It is my favorite weapon because it is a waste of money that give up experience for space-shuttle.My most hated top-secret black project is the development of AI to take control of the economy, lessen the power of democracy, control information, leaving only in power whoever control the AI.
>>65395995>>65396945
>>65395574>he believe B2 bomber are realPlease, those are mock-up for the teleporting bomb they actually use."Don't be afraid, it's just a really invisible aircraft, we don't actually have the ability to make explosion appear out of nowhere as we wish it."Of course the power that be won't tell puppets like the Donald or he would brag about it and fail at conquering the world.
>>65396985>has to be all specific just to exclude this Area 51 Mach 6 (4 at sea level) absolute Chad
>>65395371Think about how stupidly big the budgets are on some secret projects, they're mindnumbingly big. I can't find any decent numbers for the R&D costs on the SR-71 program but the per unit cost after inflation works out to something like $300 million in 2026 dollars. You could make the movie Stealth twice over for the cost of a single SR-71.The cost of a Hollywood movie is just a drop in the bucket for a black budget R&D project and would provide perfect plausible deniability for having some weird advanced test unit out in the open in a location where it otherwise couldn't be hidden. The quality of the movie doesn't matter (it clearly didn't for Stealth), you just need to get it made as an excuse to test your shit out on an aircraft carrier. If the chinks have a panic attack, you just tell them it's a movie prop and when the subsequent steaming turd drops into theatres a few months later, they totally believe it and calm down, none the wiser.
>>65397066half that cost is (((skimming))) from the titanium shell companies and just the hundreds of gallons of fuel leaking out on the runway every flight
>>65395342Too bad it will never see action.
>>65396945>Control AIGood luck with that
Project Pluto for aircraft. Operation Eldest Son for black ops mission.
Project Oxcart is my favorite.
>>65395373based hogs enjoyer
>>65396005Saw that this morning, very interesting. The human eye has a frame rate, that's how movies and TV work. Makes sense to zoetrope a drone. >>65396024Nah, they just lease some of it and provide reverse tech transfer because they don't have the industrial output.>>65396725>plz ignore our laser-powered, orbit-capable, drone fighters>>65396945>>65396950>>65396953Just adding these to the collection, thanks.>>65395313OP, my favorite are the ones that were built then poorly redacted in public documents.
>>65395313the breakaway civilization that houses cities in underground lava tubes
>>65395313>Project Aurora>Operation Ranch Hand II: Ram Ranch>The USAF train autist SAP>Pentagon FP police department is a SAP>the USAF Military Working Tapir program>the real three letter government agency that actually assassinated Kennedy>Mr Rogers was a 0111 Marine in Vietnam>the Cocomelon incident>Ft Belvoir arthoe astral projectors>the Pierre Spey/Ben & Jerry's ice cream incidentt. knower.
I’d like to see the Thanatos in the flesh. Ostensibly it flew over a year and a half ago, but they haven’t shown the thing off at all.
No zapper anon this time?
>>65395313Is that the one with the laser gun?
>>65402259what is there to talk about?extrapolating from 90s whitepapers there is no particular reason to discount the possibility that the CIA could clean your teeth and correct your vision from the other side of the planet in the current year. the tech exists.
>>65402318>extrapolating from 90s whitepapers there is no particular reason to discount the possibility that the CIA could clean your teeth and correct your vision from the other side of the planet in the current year. the tech exists.what good is all that tech hidden behind 50 blast doors when the chinks are still raping you guys in every area that matters
The F-35 engine was developed 20 years prior in a converted missile silo in-between silicone valley and California. The F-35 weighs a minimum of 14 Tons, with cutting edge materials. At the time the engine was developed those materials simply didn't exist so the total projected weight made it a strategic interceptor engine. And the US was scrapping strategic bombers almost monthly. whether an interceptor could stop an ICBM was largel hypothetical given the moern F-35 lightning II can only scrape 16Km and the old minuteman's re-entry altitude was really limited only by target window perimeters.So there were actually several precursors to the F35 using the same engine model, which were all abandoned, but survive as skeletons in converted nuclear bunkers. The russians spent a long time trying to break into these but by all accounts, couldn't understand even what they saw. It was totally beyond them
>>65403006It's something to shitpost about, and that's the only thing that's really real to him.
>>65403114>silicone valleyBut enough about Calabasas.
>>65403006>when the chinks are still raping you guys in every area that matterssource: anon's ass
>>65395329Most interesting thing about that was that it would've ultimately just been a type of EMP weapon.
All these posts and NOT ONE Zapper post. I am disappoint. On another note, I actually met a /k/ tard in the wild at work. He had a picture of Le Zapper as his PC wallpaper, so we got to talking about it. He soon realized that we both browse the same corners of the internet, and that I am indeed the Zapper tard of /k/, /sci/, and sometimes /pol/.>Holy shit you really are a roofing contractor Kind of weird that my shit posts 8 years ago have made into the wider world. And just to be clear, they aren't actual shit posts and I 100% believe it's real.
>>65395371>Supposedly Chinese imaging satellites were beaming the Abraham Lincoln non stop going "um excuse me what the fuck is that".I know it didn't exactly work out for the Soviets but it would be funny if the US started doing that. Especially for any spy balloons.
>>65405557Anon, we don’t like to talk about The Weapon.
>>65396136
>>65406755Gay, because it's totally real. Ironically it appears most of the phase conjugation research was released by the Soviet Union to prove that they weren't interested in developing an SDI equivalent because they couldn't get it to work (or had the manufacturing capabilities to make it work). There was already parallel programs in the US using things like barium titanate, but the crystals would fracture quickly. But then my man came with the gas and away we went.
>>65404134EMP studies like Starfish Prime and Argus are interesting because they let it slip in the Starfish Prime publicly released test data that they had trouble distinguishing gamma double flashes from intense thunderstorms from those of a nuclear detonation. Whether they knew why is an interesting question.
>>65397523>eye has a frame rateno it does not, organic vision is an analog system, and even if we try to classify that against screen framerates people can notice differences beyond 1000. The current understanding is a screen needs to hit 5,000FPS for true seamless human perception, but that's based on the limitations of LCD pixels
>>65408082The Sagashugan Tiger. It’s a Scaler weapon.
>>65408126Getting technical, sure. I'm just refering to persistence of vision.>>65408093Sprites didn't exist to science until a few years ago, even though you can see them above many storms.
>>65395371Something that always bugged me about this movie was the sheer fucking size of these aircraft. The cockpit is the size of a fucking corner-office. You could comfortably make a few dozen excel spreadsheets and have a few zoom meetings in there
>>65395313F-117That motherfucker is still cool as hell.
>>65405557Do you have all the fark/ats posts where erewhon talks about Planet Dirt and FTL backed up? That's something I've always been deeply fascinated by, and I want to run it by a couple friends who know more about physics and astronomy than I do (i.e nothing).
>>65409883I have everything bookmarked, but not the time to stick everything into the Internet Archive and paste the links into a doc. Personally, I believe at least most of it is real, and there is a high probability there was a parallel program to the Manhattan Project or a subproject within the Manhattan Engineering District that was responsible for (((UFOs))). I would even wager it originally started as an early effort at radar invisibility. I'm actually listening to this book now because I'm also pretty convinced they use AEC/DoE classification structures to hide it.
>>65410435go on
"Rod of god"
>>65410435The DOE is where the deepest spooky shit is
>>65411468gay fake and retarded
>>65411468These don't work as well as you think they will
>>65410676The basic gist is that the Manhattan Engineering District and later the AEC had basically an unlimited checkbook with zero Congressional oversight as far as where the money went and what they were doing with it. I don't think we had field effect propulsion in the 40's, but I do believe they may have accidentally figured out how to drastically reduce your inertia. I would wager that project was also split up between multiple sites, maybe between Brookhaven National Lab and Los Alamos/Sandia. I also think the Navy ran the project while the Army ran the Special Weapons Project. I think a least some of the none retard shit in the FBI MJ-12 files is also actually real, like the list of names involved with the project, and the rest is just bullshit mixed in for obfuscation purposes.
>>65405557>they aren't actual shit posts and I 100% believe it's real.oh it's real. I recently figured out the beam characteristics. what you're looking at isn't the primary effect, that beam is probably left-over or decomposing particles which have passed through the entire planet. the "zapper" is just waste energy, the real weapon (or whatever it is) is probably some kind of attack on one of the planck constants or something.
>>65409883DoEanon here, I have some (maybe not all) of the pages saved as PDFs, I'll put an archive together of those ans some other interesting stuff I've got.
>>65411743>but I do believe they may have accidentally figured out how to drastically reduce your inertiawhat makes you say that
>>65395313I pic related a good read. Getting through my 4th read through of roadside picnic and its getting kind of boring.
>>65395313Alex Hollings (the sandboxx reporter) mentioned seeing a silent hovering triangular craft as a kid in his TR-3B video
>>65397120LOL
>>65405557Zapper is the only schizo black program that I actually believe in. I can kinda follow all the science behind it with my engineering background and it all checks out as far as I can tell
>>65413799Is this guy still churning out DoD propaganda or is he doing actual serious reporting now? I used to like him, but his videos started to become so jingoistic that I just couldn't handle them anymore.
>>65414779I had the robot put this together specifically for this thread.Thing put out more web traffic in 20 minutes than I do in a month.https://chatgpt.com/share/6a7bb202-bab0-83ea-beb0-63a07ad07c80
>>65414788Eh
>>65414788He just rips off what they’re talking about on secretprojects that week like most other defense “journalists” that aren’t paywalled
>>65395313Soviet strange high-science like this Ekranoplan. A fast-maneuvering seacraft is terrifying
>>65405557would love to learn more about this, please if you could post some of your knowledge, or links to other threads youve been in. starting to dig in on it myselfhttps://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/03files/Particle_Beam_Weapon_Test_Utah.html
>>65395313I like the idea that all the UAPs we're seeing are the US government flaunting its combination of drone and antigravity tech.Hypothetically, if we had a device that granted aircraft the ability to forgo the conventional restrictions of physics (gravity, air resistance etc) then they could be any shape we wanted them to be. I believe this to be the case because historically, whenever the government tests out its own experimental aircraft, they try to do it around US military assets.
>>65415958Sadly or fortunately lost-tech
>>65414788Makes me feel like I need a YouTube channel>>65416095Wait until you find out Neil McCasland transfered from Phillips Lab at Kirtland to Hill AFB/Ogden Air Logistics to get his first star a few weeks before the Dave got irradiated outside the perimeter fence at UTTR. Not that it necessarily has anything to do with his disappearance, but it's an interesting coincidence.>>65415070I would not trust this bullshit, because a solid portion of the sources it provides are literally me.
>>65412124Please do. I'm largely ignorant of the science, but Erewhon and his persistence intrigues me. Normally when somebody starts talking about sci-fi conspiracy stuff I call bullshit, but this guy is specific and consistent in a way that no normal bullshitter can be.
>>65416095Interesting. could those just be "guide star" lasers for adaptive imaging, like what is used on the Starfire telescopes at Kirtland/Sandia? They look similar
>>65411669The main flaw is that in any war their platform would be prime target and thus single use. Even if you managed to get everyone too scared of a Kessler effect to accept having a few hypersonic missiles capable of destroying the deepest bunker without being nuclear weapon.Just being able to reliably lift those into orbit unopposed would send a political message.Of course the real weapon is having a reusable rocket capable of lifting those.
Project Orion. To space via nukes. Failed because NASA was the Governments new pet.
>>65417114Grossly overrated tho800 nukes needed to reach orbit, 1 per second, slightest mistake or mechanical failure and you either nuke yourself or your bazillion dollar project crash in whatever country is at the end of its decidedly non-orbital trajectory.I hate the musk but a quickly reusable rocket is honestly the only way to obtain a 2-ways access to space.Thought, for proper recovery I think we would still need an aerodynamic shuttle.
>>65416521Sorry I got crazy busy earlier this week, only so much brain power to go around. Here's the main 3 that I could find and save but it covers much of what gets talked about here. I also have an archive of science papers and articles that go more into the hard science of what was being discussed, I'll upload that in sections here in a few. I will say that if Erewhon was larping, it's some of the tightest speculative hard sci-fi I've ever read, and I've read a fair amount. https://files.catbox.moe/vpgv90.pdfhttps://files.catbox.moe/yy7n39.pdfhttps://files.catbox.moe/hkwv5s.pdf
So where gonna talk about Alien Vechicles but we wont give a f about aliens themselves?
>>65418516Learn English before speaking, swine
>>65417565800 bombs, yes, but ones with an incredibly small individual yield. Little boy was 21 kilotons. Putting 5700 tons of payload on the moon compared to the 2 tons of the Saturn V for the equivalent yield of 13 Little Boys is quite something. Especially considering this was the early 1960s. Of course, designers immediately hit the government-issue crack pipe and dreamed up 8 million ton designs that could reach 1/30 the speed of light and bring thousands of colonists to Alpha Centauri in 150 years.
this thing looks wacky so i like it
>>65418668these are the fakest pics ever madedoes anyone actually believe this shit is real?
>>65395313That game where everyone keeps giving away the detailed specs to Chinese Fighters in the forums just to win arguments online! lol, the best project ever.
>>65395313Tic Tac
>>65417091their main flaw is you have to slow them down for them to go anywhere. Think for a minute, if you're in orbit and you let go of a pen, does the pen magically drop? No it fuckin floats there. Low orbit is ~17000 miles an hour, so to drop an object straight down means sending it back the way it came at 17000 mph. Even geosync is ~7000 mph, and guess how much fuel it would take to slow down your tungsten telephone pole. A fucking shitload, that's how much. Even if you built the thing out of asteroid material or moon dust and never had to lift it out of Earth's gravity well, it would still be 90% fuel by mass and how is that not just a rocket?It's a retarded idea on par with the movie logic of gravity going away once you get above the atmosphere.
>>65405557You can get some weird responses by asking physicists in adjacent fields about optical phase conjugation of gamma rays using cesium vapor. The really interesting stuff related to The Zapper™ currently under development is nuclear quantum optics.
>>65418453Neat, thanks. Though that third link returns a 404.
>>65395313>>65395337Something tells me American Aircraft Corp. was involved, they built picrel.>take milsurp UH-1B>take all mechanical components out and throw away the rest>make new fuselage from fiberglass to help absorb radar waves>reconfigure interior for maximum protection of people inside (or so it was claimed)>supposedly line the interior with kevlar>give it four guns which may pivot in all directions and operate separate, so it can defend itself on the ground from all sides>make sealed reinforced passenger cabin>after all that give it stub wings with 2500 lb payload (same as a Super Cobra or early Apache, all while being powered by less and carrying more)Beyond that details get murky, such as operating speeds and so forth (maybe 140 knots cruise based on manufacturer figures), as well as the company, which kept renaming itself American Aircraft Corp. became American Aircraft International and it renamed itself at least another couple of times (most notably as Stealthstar, which was a nickname for the Pentrator during military flight testing trials) before becoming Aerocraft R&D. Aerocraft R&D still exist, but they deliberately keep a low profile and have no website, among other things (though while under Stealthstar, there was a website), but there is a Penetrator still in there name. Officially this is the only one, but there are at least four distinct Penetrators I could find, a white one and a black one (which might be RAM). There are two different noses, the pointy one and one the resembles a RAH-66 nose minor the external scanner. Any sort of radar and weapons equipment could entirely be internal thanks to the construction.As far as what the Penetrator is exactly, I believe it might be a testbed, since the biggest drawback is the Huey rotor system, which gives a radar signature. Composite rotor blades, hubs and control systems are a must, along with a better exhaust system (like the ones on AH-64s).
>>65411669>12ft tungsten-titanium rod 1ft thickIts kenetic energy would be massive
>>65418674It looks fake because it was made decades ago. I've seen that image many times on 4chins, especially /x/.>.t oldfag
>>65419230I got a detail wrong, it seems to have had reg cancelled in 2016 and does not seem to be airworthy as of 2024. Someone uploaded this image last February onto the Book of Faces. It also explains what I might have noticed about the noses too, they seem swappable, but for what purpose, I don't know.It seems to have gone to a museum (in Compton CA kek) in 2016, but the website of the museum is broken and updates stopped in 2017 and reports are the museum is closed, but not out of business. The collection still exists and is owned by someone related to the museum, in addition, one of the guys in the museum higher ups is a "Robert", it could be Robert Laura, as seen on the side of the Penetrator, who was the company owner and a pilot who flew for several service branches. It is unknown if he was at the company the whole time, but was owner from at latest 2004.The Stealthstar name was marketed for film usage too, but only after 2004, 13 years after the Penetrator first flew. It is said that the name Stealthstar was originally a marketing term, though, which came about before the "flying prop". Despite this claim, Penetrators never appeared in a television show or film, which is not to say that this was a cover story (because then I am blowing smoke out of my ass), but it does seem very odd, all things considered, that in 12 years of being available not once was it used.Maybe some inner city youths will use it on a fly-by shooting spree. It's in just the right place for that.
>>65418756My man Zachary Dutton is involved in some company that appears to be using some sort of slow light lensing system for glownigger DLSS for satellite imaging below the diffraction limit.https://opg.optica.org/abstract.cfm?uri=COSI-2023-CW4D.6https://diffraqtion.com/
>>65416685Big boy adaptive optics like what is being described here would eliminate the need for a laser guide star altogether. And yes, it is indeed extremely related to what they do at Kirtland, more specifically the Phillips Lab at Kirtland. I can also imagine some of this is done at Phillips Lab Hanscom AFB. What's funny is the USC guy and his colleagues at Phillips Lab all worked together at Hughes helping Charles Townes invent the laser. They even made a movie very loosely based on one of them. He mentions Real Genius ("I made your phase conjugate mirror"), which is almost assuredly based on Robert Hellwarth at USC. The technical advisor on the film was Martin Gunderson, his colleague in the Electrical Engineering Department of USC. /pol/ tards always braying about "muh predictive programming" may actually be right sometimes. I've also never heard the Planet Dirt kids/SG-1 thing before, and I was pretty convinced I read all these (I've known about them for almost 20 years). I was an ATS'er way before I ever discovered 4chins.
>>65418453>Hard science https://arxiv.org/html/2110.12592v2The problem is with this particular topic is that there are so many fucking names for what is being discussed >Polariton laser>SPASER>CARL - Collective Atom Recoil LaserMakes me wonder what is published in the DoE "classified journals".
>>65418516That kind of talk belongs on /x/, where the disinfo guys can discredit anyone telling the actual truth.
>>65411468the .22LR of biggest weapons
Unmanned aneutronic fusion plasma drones
>>65418668370MM/s is such a fucking bonkers value to put down, especially next to something that supposedly has some kind of FTL drive given the 2.2 parsecs/day cruise value. Really funny since whoever made this clearly understands a lot more than the average joe about spacecraft engineering what with details like the molten-mercury droplet radiators or a main drive that's clearly meant to be some kind of pulsed fusion setup (can't imagine ever achieving anything like that performance with fission units or even a NSWR, and the plate would seem to be implied as a pusher-plate setup.)space 'tisming complete. It just struck me as oddly detailed in a space-autist way, though it's then funny for such a person to then render the craft anything other than bristling with weapons -- perhaps it's meant to imply FTL drives would always just let you leave a situation you don't like, or use the drive itself as a radiation weapon from redshifting or the drive plume or something?
Ivan has a fish which can jump out of the water. We don't rely know why or what he intends to do with it, and suspect he stole it from the Americans, who also don't know what to do with it.
>reading NYT article>quebec has almost twice the rate of MAID recipients than the Canadian average>1 in 10 deaths in Quebec are MAID
>>65396985>>65397007>>65396725this means the engines breath air you fucking retards. they cannot claim to be the fastest overall because of rockets
>>65421289Grim
>>65421289GoodHave you met a quebecken?
>>65421322You could read it that way, but you could also read it as we have manned and unmanned SCRAM jet aircraft that have yet to be acknowledged. There is definitely something triangular in nature with a non-rocket engine because it has been seen (and heard) multiple times doing what is estimated to be Mach 5+. The Air Force also didn't stop their energetic fuels program for a good while after the SR-71 was mothballed. Why you need some much borane if no borane plane, USAF?
>>65416374please i've been on this website much too long and know most of the post 2015 talk about it was from a single autistically interested partythe point was to trace all of the chains back to the only single source - the 2004 positron stuffthe more interesting point is how an actual antimatter beam weapon is not only possible, all the pieces have been done to make a complete one
>>65423506>Antimatter beam weaponWould it look like a Macross gun or closer to a Tau Cannon>What do you mean, overcharge?
>>65424214GBE tbqh
>>65423506>the 2004 positron stuffHere's the Kenneth Edwards presentation, it belongs in this thread.Also, here's the Erewhon 3 file:https://litter.catbox.moe/vh6sz1f9qqigsg8g.pdf
>>65424448Dammit here's the kenneth edwards file:https://files.catbox.moe/d7dfxh.pdf
>>65423506Kenneth Edwards is interesting, but his boss is probably more interesting. There used to be a whole lot more up on Penn State's website about antimatter projects other than AIMStar. Smith is the principal of Positronics Research LLC, and did the write up on Antimatter Catalyzed Propulsion for the DIA that was released a few years ago with the "warp drive" stuff my Puthoff and Eric Davis.>>65424451>"SF Gate...please stop calling Elgin AFB...I AM ALREADY IN SOOOOOOOOO MUCH TROUBLE"https://www.sfgate.com/science/article/Air-Force-pursuing-antimatter-weapons-Program-2689674.php
it doesn't look like there will be very many of these new black projects in the future, given that almost all of them were or are currently being designed by the last few people who went through the education system before it was gutted
>>65395313Has anyone in this thread SEEN anything?
>>65419330I remember that movie.
>>65429029One time driving home from leave as a young 11b in the Big Red One, I saw a green streak of light dancing around the sky and doing crazy turns and stops. It was around 3am and I was facing west towards the Fort Riley golf course. This went on until it dipped below the treeline and vanished from sight. That's it.
>>65419302Functionally identical to just putting it on a missile and launching it at the target instead of going all the way to orbit first.
What's the latest on planet dirt?
>>65430580they opened a cafe there
>>65430582is the coffee any good?
>>65430585it's made with the red and black lichens (so no)jokes aside, even if the zapper thing is at least plausible, the planet dirt thing seems really far fetched. where did the claims even come from? that erewhon guy or somewhere else?
>>65430601Anyone have the image?
>>65429029Something that I genuinely thought it was a fever dream until my father brought it up again not too long ago. Keep in mind we lived in the NYC metro at the time, hence the thinking it was a dream part.>be me>child>go to the airport with my father to watch airplanes and helicopters>almost zero military activity from this place even >one day we were there likely 2006 or 2007 just after my father's open heart surgery>we are there a little while and nothing is happening>whoop_whoop_whoop.wav>suddenly we hear helicopters>formation of about 5-8 helicopters flying in formation come in>not just one branch either, some CH-46s, some UH-60s and some OH-58Ds>what then arrived is what I could only describe as a flying diamond>it was a helicopter shaped like a F-117, with swept stub wings and a NOTAR tail configuration, and a four bladed rotorhead>it landed and refuelled and some soldiers got out and approached us at the fence that we were not allowed to take pictures of anything>they did hot refuelling and left, but the OH-58Ds never landed but instead hovered and sometimes flew around very slowly, almost as if they were keeping watchPersonally, I believe this has to do with the DARPA UCAR project, even though this was after the 2004 cancellation. A mockup was built under the name of PATS that was used for ground testing. Also, a DARPA cancellation does not mean actual cancellation, as seen with Project Amber becoming the General Atomics Gnat-750, a covert CIA UAV and forerunner to the Predator and Reaper UAVs.Picrel is the PATS mechanics and tail mounted on a scale demonstrator, what I saw was larger than a OH-58D.
>>65430960Did some more searching and I found something... https://news.lockheedmartin.com/2004-08-23-Lockheed-Martin-Demonstrates-Collaboration-of-Manned-Unmanned-Aircraft-as-Part-of-UCAR-Development-ProgramApparently Skirosky, NG and LM all proposed UCARs and eventually the LM and NG models were selected to be built, but I find no evidence outside of a press release of LMs design flying and even less on NG's design.Also, this thread, but take everything on Secret Projects with a grain of salt. https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/unmanned-combat-armed-rotorcraft-ucar.1966/
>>65430601Pretty much everything to do with Planet Dirt comes from a single source, Erewhon/O'Bedlam. Which, would normally mean that it's probably bullshit made up for internet brownie points, like who other than the dumbest flat earth tard would seriously think the US has mastered FTL in secret and begun colonising other planets also in secret, but if you think Bedlam is a credible source (and he 100% was in 2004-5) then the whole story becomes a lot weirder.
None.America can't manufacture shit after 1991.Anything engineered pre-Cold War is basically lost technology now.
Please post planet dirt zapper stuff i need it
What kind of security clearance do you need to start working with ayys?
>>65431193The American defense industry has been in a permanent state of decline since July 21, 1993. No amount of Palmer Luckey hopium can unfuck deliberately transferring the bulk of your manufacturing base to a geopolitical rival and destroying your own engineering & skilled labor base to make a quick buck. They have all their hopes pinned on AI now and no AI can manifest a factory into existence and with China only a few months behind in AI, it won't make a difference. Secret SDI energy weapons and antigravity craft are the fading glory of America's cold war peak. If they exist, odds are we can't make them anymore without Chinese material or components.
>>65431778If the shit about DUMB's and black project plasma orbs is to be believed then it stands to reason all the 'manufacturing' that's been offloaded to China is the most trailing edge of trailing edge, as a way to get 'the enemy' to invest in dead end, obsolete technology, while keeping the 'real stuff' deep underground outside of nuke range. For all we know they can just materialize stuff from out of the ether and a manufacturing base and the society needed to support it is no longer necessary.Alternatively it's a form of technological welfare, and a way to build up the until recently agrarian peasant China into an actual modern country which is in a better position to perform in a peer-to-peer conflict 'theater' for the purposes of global depopulation. More drones means less people collecting retirement.All this A.I. datacenter and digital surveillance state cameras everywhere getting set up could be about enforcing the draft and managing a new trackable digital currency over anything else. The elites and their brain-trust would be pretty safe and end up with a smaller and significantly easier to manage population to lord over after everything is said and done.Underground bunker breakaway deep state epstein cabal types would necessarily operate on different values than just short-term profit, and have the capacity/cause to operate on different time tables than quarterly earnings reports. It could be that industrialized society as we know it is just the proverbial solid rocket booster to get the payload into orbit and is scheduled to be jettisoned into the ocean at the earliest convenience.
Can someone give me a qrd on what planet dirt is?
>>65432503Planet orbiting Alpha Centauri with a claim that we’ve had a base there since about 72.
>>65432184>insane copiumTry reading the epstein emails that got leaked, anon. They were midwits high on their own propaganda and power. Long range thinking was half illusion for themselves pretending to be more than degenerate blackmailing stockbrokers, half larp for their fellow psychos. It was middle management grindset BS.
>>65432184All of this assumes you can climb a ladder with all the bottom rungs cut off.
>>65420639If you know you know
>>65432601A man of culture I see
>>65395313Have Block
>>65431172>who other than the dumbest flat earth tard would seriously think the US has mastered FTL in secretMaybe I'm misremembering, but wasn't it supposed to be some portal/wormhole/teleportation shit?
>>65395313one day I want to see some styropyro-esque guy make a video on their own garage made version of the patent for this https://patents.google.com/patent/US20060145019A1/en
>>65395313Why haven't the US used them to make Iran surrender and open the Strait of Hormuz?
>>65429029I live in Alabama an if you look north towards redstone you can sometimes see fast movers zip around at high speeds, they even went over where I was standing in a field once. Seems like it would happen most often from 10pm to 12am. Almost always weekdays of course, thats how I know its not aliums.I think its some sort of hologram type countermeasure, advanced laser, or maybe another exotic missile interception system. They almost always moved in formations of three, and would often move one at a time, 'meet up', and then sometimes move all in formation. They fade out always, with the only exception being when they moved right over top of me. I would guess it was at an extreme altitude.
>>65433376Because we are gay and have no balls. Also because unlike sandniggers in Iraq and Afghanistan (or gooks in Ryanggang), people are actually watching this. And if everyone is indeed watching and your going to pop a big explosion with a gamma double flash, might as well drop a nuke. That and all these Chinese projects you see like the ELI laser, it's not for "science", it's attempts to replicate this themselves. All just speculation of course because WTF do I know
>>65417114>NERVA was ready to go>Nixon gutted its reasons to exist to fund Vietnam, one by oneREEEEEE! We could've had moonfights!
Excuse my pedestrian non imaginative thinking but you have a stealth fighter jet and a stealth bomber. What else do you realistically need? Anything else is just improvements on the same formula. I guess the biggest leap would be to make them fully unmanned but that has been the explicit public direction for years.
>>65434023i can't wait to see the cope replies to this
>>65434023Deniability. Promptness you can't get from a stealth bomber. The ability to kill stealth aircraft.
>>65434023Stealth transport. Consider the tactical advantage of deploying troops almost completely under the radar.Also stealth recon, but the US already has that in some capacity.
>>65434070>Stealth transport. Consider the tactical advantage of deploying troops almost completely under the radar.They've been working on that. Remember the black helicopters form the Bin Ladin raid?
>>65434078Yeah, but I am thinking of something like a "stealth C-17".Stealth helicopters likely stretch beyond those black hawks. Like this >>65430960 anon indicates.
>>65395313Aurora and comanche
Wouldn't detecting craft under power of electromagnetic/plasma fuckery be trivial due to electromagnetic sensory? What about attacking them by fucking with their careful orchestration of electromagnetic fields in some manner?
>>65420639That's essentially a sketch of my description of how I'd make a Tic Tac using current tech, except with onboard power instead of beamed.
>>65431172Planet Dirt is 1000X more believable than some of the garbage people believe in. >antigrav and FTL are obscure, not technologically that complicated>Solar Warden fleet in the '80s>explore nearby stars in the '90s>Planet Dirt is the closest to Sol that is vaguely terrestrial enough to consider a base
>>65411961Is there a single cohesive read-in for The Dugway Zapper, for someone totally new to the whole thing but wanting to follow up on seeing the name several times?
>>65436269I'll post something when I get back from work. I have scaffolding coming down and crane pick up today.In the meantime...People Who Witnessed It/Potential Field Testshttp://www.aliendave.com/Photos_Skywatch_UTTR_72204.htmlhttps://www.tooeleonline.com/articles/news/ufo-hunters-report-strange-lights-at-dugway/https://youtu.be/4tsn38MHa9c?si=S0R3DeogjEEWz5C5https://youtu.be/0GeIImbZpCo?si=25PFKyqLz-NTJh0l - Iraq 2005Fark/ATS Zapper Linkshttps://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread637964/pg2https://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1066328/pg7https://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread901726/pg3https://m.fark.com/comments/1203844/9725308https://m.fark.com/comments/1112341/lasthttps://m.fark.com/comments/1112341/lastActual Sciencehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaserhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polariton_laserhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwinger_limithttps://journals.aps.org/pra/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevA.94.062102https://physics.aps.org/articles/v7/s82https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/tr/pdf/ADA506546.pdfhttps://groups.seas.harvard.edu/haulab/slow_light_project/slow_light_project.htmhttps://physics.mit.edu/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/physicsatmit_01_ketterle.pdfhttps://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.1083171https://www.nature.com/articles/35018520https://www.scribd.com/document/208319/NEC-Time-Travel-Experiment-in-2000https://www.military.com/defensetech/2004/10/04/usaf-wants-antimatter-weaponshttps://www.niac.usra.edu/files/library/meetings/fellows/mar04/Edwards_Kenneth.pdf>Kenneth Edwards’ Boss, Gerald A. Smith“Positron Aerospace Propulsion, Dr. Gerald A. Smith, Positronics Research” - DIA Document>The “Serious TS” guy at USC referred to in the Fark linkshttps://www.optica.org/History/Biographies/bios/Robert_W_Hellwarthhttps://ieeexplore.ieee.org/author/37323662400You have to put the ATS links in the Wayback Machine, and Fark requires an account to view now.
>>65435869Things I find interesting about this whole thing>Original Manhattan Engineering District background investigations were performed by the Navy>The National Science Foundation was created by Vannevar Bush and originally administered by the Office of Naval Research >Despite being founded around the same time, there is very little known about what the AEC was doing at Brookhaven National Lab versus the weapons work at LLNL, LANL, and Sandia.>The ONR jointly runs DoE facilities at Brookhaven to this dayLong story short, I would wager that the western labs were for nuclear weapons development, while Brookhaven, Argonne, and possibly Ames (along with MIT Radiation/Lincoln Lab, Hanscom AFB, and Redstone Arsenal) helped develop whatever was running in parallel. I also have a strong feeling after reading a few of these books that we may have cracked inertial confinement fusion a while back, but the AEC locked that shit down because it's an almost identical process to radiation implosion. It's not a coincidence that the man who designed Ripple for the Dominic test series also started the first research into using lasers for both heating and fuel compression. I also find it interesting that they changed the definition of Restricted Data in the revision of the Atomic Energy Act to cover a much broader category called "special nuclear materials" to restrict disimination of all kinds of research not directly affiliated, but adjacent to nuclear weapons development. The chapters about early restrictions of publications about fission and the development of the classified journal system in Restricted Data is interesting as well.
the US government cannot be trusted with all of this technology, keeping it a secret from the worldthat's my contribution to the thread
>>65436508Cant't open the strait with FTL
>>65436508All of this. The Navy was the first branch deeply involved in space work. The DoE is the real power beyond US dominance, and it ain't just the Tennessee Valley Project.>there are no spaceships in the ocean>but there are submarines in space
Sharks with frickin laser beams attached to their heads
>>65436508Fun fact: Some intern got ran over by a forklift at Brookhaven this summer and almost lost his legs.
>>65438444Fun fact: I am one of the retards in this chapter of this book.
Everyone knows it now but the Chinese were pioneers of low cost ballistic missile production. Unable to defeat US missile defence technologically they seriously considered barrage missiles based of the late patters soviet scuds.This program was given to Iran and North Korea and was the early part of their joint nuclear weapon program, the Chinese wisely deciding to handball the idea of nuking a US carrier group to stupider leaders. Musk basically copied the Chinese program to develop the low cost spacex rockets, at least the early ones. The cooperation is apparently ongoing and there was concern that musk planned to use the rockets as orbital nuclear bomber in violation of saltII. Given the payload size, short azimuth launch, low value, there was concern that they lift carry a kind of apolo capsule which was crammed full of conventional nuclear bombs.
>>65437269Like was said earlier, the real spooky shit is buried deep in the DoE
>>65439130>musk-chinese collaboration>falcon based on ScudsCan I have some of what you're on?>>65439495Very, very deep. DoE is CoG and holder of secrets, and I support that at some fundamental level.
I like the idea of muh nigga Mike McCulloch being right about Quantized Inertia enabling reactionless drives to actually work with predicted thrusts of around 120N/kw. With shit being kept secret in order to gain a massive advantage in space over everyone else to essentially ensure American dominance.
>>65436508Onifags at it again.
If all the secret suoerweapons and reactionless drives and space colonies are real, why is the world so shit?
>>65440825If we have nuclear reactors, massive industrial capacity to produce just about anything at scale cheaply and the ability to communicate with anyone anywhere in the world, then why sad and poor?
>>65440847None of these things are on the same level as the claimed black projects in this thread.
Project Orion will always be the coolest shit amerifats ever tested in secret>B-b-but thats not a weaponYeah how about I drop a skyscrapper sized Tungsten "ship" propulsed from nuclear shockwaves from somewhere in deep space in your country and pretend it was an asteroid nerd
>>65441274>What is this object in space that is so uniform that it couldn't possibly be natural and continues to accelerate and course correct with multiple explosions giving off distinct double flashes of nuclear detonations?>US: idk, that's some weird asteroid I guess? Very subtle.
>>65432634The way I understand it, and this is a very haphazard attempt at figuring out the guys obfuscation, I may be completely wrong, but it's either one of two things:>the speed of light (c) is malleable and can be lowered OR (this is the big one) can be raised in certain conditions>which means if you project a bubble of something that allows higher than vacuum c around a craft your biggest problem suddenly becomes how to accelerate fast enough and slow downOr, and I think this is more accurate but hell if I get how its supposed to work:>There's some kind of bespoke, extremely opaque method that allows you to close your eyes, put fingers in ears, and ignore the effects of inertia and drag and gravity (which are all related), give the middle finger to einstein and zip around wherever you want>this also has the chance to turn you (but only you, not the ship, somehow) into red pasteReally, the whole thing is extremely odd. If it weren't for the guy's consistency, and self-awareness I'd blow it off, but he maintains a solid story without any obvious holes for well over a decade. Like who does that? If it's a honeytrap there's better places to do it, and if it's bullshit made up for attention there's better places to get that too.
>>65441645Since I am at home pooping before work, I'll give this a shot>Modern aether theories have some merit, and space has a base level of relative permeability and permittivity >Through some method, probably evoked negative energy states, you can alter the P and P of free space in a small region>By altering the P and P of your region of space, you can artificially raise the speed limit of c (or lower it)I also believe this part 2 or a 2 part system. Part 1 greatly reduces your inertia and therefore effective mass. I also don't think it's coincidental that almost every time you read some sort of blue sky "what if" paper of field effect propulsion you will almost assuredly see "Universe in a Droplet of Helium" as a primary citation despite the fact you almost assuredly have never heard Superfluid Vacuum Theory mentioned in wider literature.
US wouldn't test batshit crazy ideas like project orion if it had literal UFOs. There would be no need for it. So by occam's razor, you can just say they don't have that. And also, governments are fairly bad at keeping secrets. The entire UFO/alien/anti-gravity talk is just to keep the crazies from unintentionally working as foreign intelligence agents. Though, they do invest in potential technologies when they come across such. My favorite was the laser powered flying aluminium frisbees. This happened in the early 2000s. It was originally UFO prank which eventually got the US air forces attention and they funded the guy. In short, there's a cavity in the disk and a high power laser is used to super heat the air in the cavity, which causes an explosion and propels the disk. The issue they were working on back in the day was that the disk would get damaged by the explosions. I think with metal 3d printing they finally got/could have gotten the cavity geometry such that it's a consistent propulsion.
>>65441683Again, I don't think we had field effect propulsion in until maybe the early 80's, and these may have been conventionally powered. We also did indeed test at least some of the ideas/components for Project Orion. We know of at least 2 reactor incidents while testing NERVA at Jackass Flats.
>>65441645The whole thing is weird because he really didn't get that much attention on ATS. Maybe like members and an admin regularly corresponded with him. One of the regular commenters on his posts back in the day was John Lear. His account name of ATS was literally "John Lear". Pretty sure one of the moderators (the trucker I think) privately verified it was indeed John Lear posting. One thing is for sure, he definitely did not like Tom Bearden and spent an inordinate amount of time shitting on him. Pretty sure he actually knew Bearden from Redstone Arsenal. He also had a big axe to grind with anyone saying HAARP is anything other than a literal ionospheric heater.
>>65441347Thats assuming you detect it in time to observe with telescopes and the state of earth's readiness to deal and detect meteor strikes is embarassing, we could have ace combat's stonehedge if we banded up to do shit like that instead of giving aid to Africa or keeping an entire class of rich kids employed for doing nothing playing diplomats at the UN
>>65397262sexo
>>65442205I think the world would be able to detect the detonation of artificial stars happening hundreds of times anon.
>>65395313Solar Warden.
>>65444209Has there ever been anymore credibility beyond >Hacker man says so
i haven't been able to find anything similar to it, but years ago I came across something (a youtube video, a 4chan thread, at this point i dont remember) talking about "silent helicopters" with a few other people relating their own encounters with themnot "stealth helicopters," in basically every instance the helicopters were normal in shape and size (someone mentioned a Bell 206 specifically) that could hover 50-100 feet away and you would be totally unable to hear anything other than the faint whine of the engine. no deafening rotor chop or anything
>>65436557You are right, let's leave it to the governments of our enemies. So that they may destroy themselves with new "world changing edge-giving super-technologies".
>>65444958>poisoning foster children
>>65444297The erewhon posts admit that he was right about what he found. There's a reason why he was in so much trouble. Luckily for the US.gov almost nobody believes them.
>>65444209>>65418668same level of absurdity as flat earth or nazi moon basesFun though, I wish it was remotely believable
>>65396024HAIL HYDRA
>>65444349I know what you're talking about. Something about them being tested for spook shit in 'Nam
>>65446178>The erewhon postsThe erewho?
>>65447206I think that's the organic food store
>>65436437Way back machine isn’t working, any tips?
>>65436437I can’t access the ats posts anywhere online. Can somebody post them here in the thread? I’ve only seen snippets about the zapper and planet dirt.
>>65395373I got it on steam for a couple bucks and still fire it up for a playthrough here and there. My friend had the PS1 version we played the shit out of passing controllers and bongs.
>>65395995anon we use "aircraft of color" now
>>65395313The fleet of "Tic-Tac" carriers we have patrolling the local cluster.
>>65416095https://otherhand.org/home-page/area-51-and-other-strange-places/so-ya-dont-believe-it-was-a-proton-beam-eh/
>>65416095Hmm, kind of looks like lightning sprites.
>>65448382You have to put the links on the Wayback Machine. ATS is down and probably never coming back. You need an account now for FARK because of AI bullshit.
>>65452804It's unironically almost assuredly a very similar process. Fun fact, during Operation Dominic, they let it slip in the Starfish Prime test data released to the public that Vela detection satellites had a hard time distinguishing intense lightning storms from nuclear detonations because of the associated gamma double flash. Whether they knew at the time (or shortly after) that it was from positron creation/annihilation events is the real question.>>65444297The DoJ wanted this guy extradited badly, but the British Government intervened on his behalf. Whatever he found, they wanted him.
>>65441347No double-flash in space, as there's not atmosphere to turn opaque.
>>65444349There's a mention of "jet helicopters" used to transport radar ELINT to the US mainland during the Cuban missile crisis in a book I read about the CIA one time.
>>65452804>>65453342Sprites are a good guess, the problem however, is that spites and other upper atmospheric lightning really only lasts a few milliseconds. You need a very specialized camera set up in order to capture one, let alone get a high quality pic of it. Not only that, research on it was stunted heavily by the limitations of camera tech as well, we only really got good samples of sprites living a full life-time in the 2010s.I personally reckon whatever they saw in the UTTR was a rocket. All kinds of munitions are tested there all the time, as that's the sole purpose of the UTTR. Not to mention Northrup has a rocket booster assembly plant for use on ICBMs and (formerly) the space shuttle program right next to the UTTR. Looking up more details the UTTR has also been used as a landing zone for atmospheric reentry of space probes too.
>>65457219Rockets don't give you radiation poisoning or fog your film.
>>65441661>probably evoked negative energy statesYeah but HOW do you get those though? Especially enough to cover an entire craft? Even with casimir plates you'd need a ludicrous amount of stuff, in both size and energy. It's so frustrating, it's like everything is there but there's some essential piece that's missing and I can't think of what.
>>65398878>tfw I know some of these obfuscated memes I feel seen. Thanks s/k/izoanon.
>>65444209how would you even hide something like this?
>>65458451I think it has a lot to do with transformation optics, specifically superfluids and BECs as functional analogues to Kerr Singularities, aka toroidal blackholes. Ironically, Roy Kerr doesn't believe in point singularities and worked at the AFRL.>After a postdoctoral fellowship at Syracuse University, where Einstein's collaborator Peter Bergmann was a professor,[8][9] he spent some time working for the United States Air Force at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. Kerr speculated that the "main reason why the US Air Force had created a General Relativity section was probably to show the U.S. Navy that they could also do pure research."Again, I don't think it's coincidental that you find lots of Superfluid Vacuum Theory citations in virtually all of these field effect propulsion studies. >Show of hands who the fuck has heard of this mentioned beforeProbably not many. I read a lot of these sorts of things, and you will be almost 100% guaranteed to see Universe in a Droplet of Helium cited somewhere in any one of these papers. But that the fuck do I know. If you need a Velcro EPDM or TPO roof, I'm your guy. Field effect propulsion...not so much.
>S-4 is allegedly the home of Project Looking Glass and Aquarius >Aquarius is supposedly UFOs>Looking Glass is supposedly actual time travel >LANL has a PDF titled "Through the Looking Glass with Optical Phase Conjugation" that describes photon time reversal>The later code name for the Uranium Committee, the predecessor organization to the Manhattan Project, was the "S-1 Executive Committee">The S almost assuredly stands for Sigma>The Sigma classification structure for the AEC began with 1952 revisions to the Atomic Energy Act>1952 revisions to the AEA greatly expanded the definition of what the government considers restricted nuclear data, aka a much broader definition called "special nuclear materials">Area 51 was carved out of NTS in 1954>In her book, Area 51 A Secret history, Annie Jacobsen talks to an alleged EG&G engineer that told her S-4 stands for Sigma 4
