https://x.com/GunOwners/status/2085047918495469923n GOA's case, a federal court just stuck down NFA registration for:SuppressorsShort-Barreled RiflesShort-Barreled ShotgunsGOA & our allies in Congress eliminated the tax.The National Firearms Act of 1934 is now UNCONSTITUTIONAL as applied.
>>65397895Big if true.
>>65397895I live in interesting times, may this be true and hold up so i may live in better times.
reading the comments it says it only applies to GOA members and customers of a certain business? idk
>>65397913Seems the tax fee ending has ended the purposes of data collection. >The Court stayed the effect of the Final Judgment for seven days to allow the government an opportunity to seek relief from the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals if it so desires.Sadly not out of the woods yet.
>>65397895>7 day stay built inGaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
Does it include Draco?
>>65397895As I understand it:>No more needing to fill out transfer paperwork to buy an NFA item from gunstores/places that sell things like suppressors>No more needing to pay "taxes" on said paperwork>Registry for new NFA items is no longer needing to be placed on the register and said registry is now possibly mandated as no longer needing to be maintained overall>It is now legal to recieve/transfer nfa items that were in violation of the NFA act>Individuals wishing to transfer NFA items between one another no longer need to fill out paperwork as well as no longer need to pay "taxes" on said paperwork>Form 1 paperwork is now dead and buried>The requirement that a firearm now needs a serial number is now dead and buried
>>653979687 day?
I remember people seething at the NFA tax going to zero said this would never happen.
Opinionhttps://foundation.gunowners.org/wp-content/uploads/177118845368-1.pdfOrderhttps://foundation.gunowners.org/wp-content/uploads/137-FInal-Judgment.pdf
>>65397973Yeah, no effect until 7 days from decision to give feds a chance to appeal without opening the floodgates. No freedom week clause, unfortunately.
So obviously they will file an appeal. What's the 5th Circuit's general view on 2A stuff? I assume if the appeal tanks its goodbye NFA?
>>65398015>So obviously they will file an appeal.Pretty sure the federal government said that they wouldn't really fight this in court
Is this stays does it become a law forever? Is it only for the members?
>>65398029>Is this stays does it become a law forever?yes>Is it only for the members?No, why do you think a court would only allow specific individuals tied to a particular organization to do whatever the fuck they want while not allowing non-associated individuals to still be bound by laws and regulations that have been struck down in a federal court?
Is there a chart or list of recommended suppressors? I never paid attention because of the NFA bullshit.
>>65397978As someone who seethed, i must admit i expected this to happen about 7 months from now. I also expect it to get appealed, but am leaving some hopium on the table if it doesnt.
We did it, Reddit!
>>65398056I'm in the same boat, this seem like something nice happening. Nice things don't happen in this nightmare dimension and I hope my paranoid brain is wrong.
>>65397895As applied, but not in and of itself. This just means if the tax is $0 there is, in actuality, no tax. So if the legislative branch decides to charge even $1 for these things, we’re back to square one. And things that are still taxed can still be denied the American people. We’re going in the right direction, at least for now. Get it while the getting is good. NFA and GCA are both still blatantly unconstitutional on they are face though, so don’t get complacent. This is just a bandaid like FRTs. We should have machine guns.
It won’t stick.
Would this supersede state prohibitions on suppressors if it sticks?
>>65398300>>65398314Oh here they are :)
>>65397913>>65397959and certain businesses customers....including Palmetto State Armoury.PSA CHADS keep winning
>>65398051While options exist, the market is a bit sparse. The lack of ease of civilian business opportunities kept growth a bit low.We should probably be seeing some really nice options by Christmas.
>>65398326PSA has the rights to many early suppressor designs for the AR-15/M-16 since they bought H+R
>>65398015They're going to appeal based on the law they passed that enabled the decision?*pass the popcorn*
>>65398300based retard
>>65398300>This is just a bandaid like FRTsIn what way? Braces are the bandaid for SBR and it just got torn off.
>>65398300Not exactly, depends on the speed at which all this goes down. Fastest is the feds don't appeal and in 7 days boom; NFA can't be applied in those 3 cases. If it gets appealed then it goes through the ringer and sits in place until the next decision, which itself may be appealed. It could go on for quite a while. This is a pretty likely possibility. Worst case is the dems see this happening, force an amount of tax in to stop it post midterms, law stays in place because aint no republican going to stop the omnibus because of this. Pray the feds dont appeal.
>>65397895>n GOA's case, a federal court just stuck down NFA registration for:but not full auto...its like these niggers are not even trying
blocked the ATF from enforcing them against the plaintiffs, their members, and their customers: GOA, Gun Owners Foundation, Silencer Shop Foundation, Palmetto State Armory, SilencerCo, B&T USA, the Firearms Regulatory Accountability Coalition, individual plaintiff Brady Wetz, and a coalition of 15 pro-gun states: Alaska, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Louisiana, Montana, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Texas, Utah, West Virginia, and Wyoming. The injunction stops the ATF from enforcing federal gun registration requirements, Form 1 and Form 4 applications, fingerprinting, and photography mandates against the protected parties. The court stayed the order for seven days so the Department of Justice can seek appellate review if it chooses to do so.
>>65398015>So obviously they will file an appeal.> What's the 5th Circuit's general view on 2A stuff?> I assume if the appeal tanks its goodbye NFA?NFA still applies to DD and MG, since both still have a $200 tax.
>>65397895Will this outright ban them in cuck states now?
>>65398790Cuck states will probably just pass their own laws to ban them the same way Texas passed a law just to legalize the mossberg shockwave.
>>65398790>>65398845That's what the AWB case going to the supreme court is for. We just gotta hope it goes well
>>65397895Based GOA proving that there's really only one pro gun lobby
>>65398708In store day 1 purchases of silencers soon.
>>65398893I'm not sure the last thing I read the NRA doing. They're completely useless these days.
>>65397895In practice this really just means you’ll be able to put a stock on your pistol without filing a Form 1. I doubt any FFLs would risk their livelihoods to transfer you an SBR without a Form 4 unless the DOJ comes out and says they’re not gonna fight this.
>>65399086Where does it say that in the thing? It only applies to companies and groups as I can tell?
>>65398941the NRA is extremely useful as a smokescreen for retarded gun grabbers to get mad at while the GOA, FPC, and NAGR do all of the actual work
>>65399086Again, DOJ has 7 days to decide to fight this or not. If they elect not to, boom, turkey'd done NFA effectively dead for these 3 things. If they do, then it's another round of court provided the $0 tax stamp stays long enough for it to move through the system.
>>65398333>sparseThere's so many options these days, not sure what you could possibly mean. Additive manufacturing is popping off right now.>>65398051Depends what firearm but assuming you're asking for a AR15, Saker K and RC2 are old standbys in /arg/ but there's so many new designs for reduced backpressure. >>65398321No that's separate litigation
>>65399195If you’re a member of GOA or one of the other litigants then you’re covered by the injunction seven days from now.
>>65399225sO ITS only for them?
>>65399362Unironically plug the two pdfs into claude and ask it
>>65397895cant they just make it a $15 registration fee?
>>65397895Fuck dude I'm exited. I've wanted a stamp free fixed stock sbr so fucking long.AliExpress is about to make bank on aluminum garbage cans.
i wouldn't be too excited. something like this only happens because the government needs access to a ready source of privately manufactured somethings or the others. someone decided there weren't enough suppressors to go around (or that the technology needs to improve rapidly) for the mass recruitment wave they are expecting they will need to do for the next major global war they plan on having (You) fight.
>>65399225Of the 9 gun owners on /k/ 7 have bought from PSA and the other 2 still have accounts. It basically covers everyone who would be interested.
So if this goes through, what does that mean going forward?How is buying a suppressor going to look like in the future?
>>65399432yeah cope lol
>>65397895>saw the link>x.com>it's not an xcom thread
>>65399419No. Not without passing new legislation entirely.
>>65399371Bro just tell me.
>>65399432Oh no the failing empire is using one of its few remaining industries to bolster it's strength! Boo fucking who. Enjoy the ride anon can't do shit else anyway.
>>65399202wtf I love NAGRs now
So if I sbr my rifle and get a suppressor for it, but later they increase the tax to 1 dollar, wtf happens then?
>>65399465No one knows. But let's be real it's gonna take months after the initial buyout (buy now seriously) for manufacturers to catch up. And if it makes it to that point the cats out of the bag.
>>65399458no you fucking retard
>>65397895>picWhat the fuck is this slop? Clanker-ass post formatting, too.
>>65397908All anyone can hope for.
>>65399473It sounds like you should wait a week to see if this actually go unchallenged
So does this apply nationwide or just states in the fifth circuit? Do you need to be a GOA member? I need some legal mfers to break this down for me
#whatdatmean
Read the court order if you have questions
>>65398941> these daysThey’ve been completely useless for something like 30 years now, right about the time they transitioned from fighting bullshit laws to using scare tactics on boomers to shake them down for money.>>65399432Yeah, I’m not sure that’s how it works. Cool story though.>also, you have to be 18 to post here
>>65399456
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijllrGPOiQk
>>65398029>>65398042Circuit courts only have jurisdiction within their circuit. If the DOJ decides not to appeal then this effectively applies to the rest of the country, but states outside of the 5th circuit can still make their own laws doing the same thing and each district will have to be litigated separately unless SCOTUS steps in.If the DOJ appeals and loses then this has no effect outside of the 5th circuit. Residents in other states will have to sue until either all circuits are in agreement or SCOTUS decides the case.>Is it only for the members?>No, why do you think a court would only allow specific individuals tied to a particular organization to do whatever the fuck they want while not allowing non-associated individuals to still be bound by laws and regulations that have been struck down in a federal court?It only applies to present and future members of GOA, FPC, and a few others. That happens all the time. Especially when challenging long-established law, it's not uncommon for lower courts to limit injunctive relief to only the parties named in the case. The pistol brace ruling a few years ago was the same. It only applied to people who were members of the orgs that filed the suit before the date the decision was issued.
Watched. Depressing how fucked this country is.
Another fun way this can go sideways is that quite a few states, including red states, already have laws on the books banning the possession or transfer of NFA items without a license. They just consider the approved federal form 4 or form 1 to be the "license", so nobody pays any attention to the state law. Since this ruling is based on taxation authority and not 2A grounds, if SBRs and suppressors are removed from the NFA, then they become instantly illegal in those states. It will take time for the states to either revise their laws or create a licensing process, and many will just leave their bans in place.
>>65400244>final order lists the plaintiffs, their customers and members>numerous companies are a plaintiff>entire States are a plaintiffJust buy a PSA rifle and you are suddenly a customer of theirs, granting you the benefits.
>>65400288Our civil rights are destroyed because of Italian and Jewish gangmembers in 1930 and then finished off by black gangmembers in 1980. Ain't diversity grand. I ain't lovin it.This timeline is cursed. FML
>>65400310A GOA membership is $25.
>>65400262I never watched berserk, can someone explain this one to me?
https://www.gunowners.org/080626-2/
>>65400319Isn’t fpc covered too?
>>65400288Thats not how it works though
>>65399461Um.... you.. good bro hashahahahahah
>>65400319>$25 for a hator>$25 for ammoBoth are fair options and will go to those who care about helping 2A
>>653988932AF got the post office carry ban overturned.
>>65400312Meanwhile, in the 1830s you could plop down a privately owned trading fort on newly obtained territories, complete with artillery.
Videohttps://x.com/gunowners/status/2085440147164717408
https://x.com/palmettoarmory/status/2085456674777612525
>>65397895I was looking for this thread yesterday.Heads up a lot of gay blue states have laws specifically banning NFA weapons via state law. Like NJ state law bans SBRs, SBS, cans, ect. they actually define both short barreled rifles and short barreled shotguns as "sawed off shotguns" for some fucking reason.also unrelated.NJ's awb/mag case granted NJ a stay pending SCOTUS action so it's unlikely awbs will be unbanned in NJ until the SCOTUS ruling on the CT and IL bans next year, BUT, the scotus might also nuke magbans nationwide
>>65397913>customers of a certain business?PSA
So, if this change goes through, when will I be able to legally convert my pistol-braced guns into actual SBRs without needing to go through the forms and fingerprinting?Its also worth noting I am a GOA member and have purchased guns from PSA in the past.
>>65398530I think best case there's no appeal and we get a window between 12 Aug 2026 and the next D majority legislative session to purchase or manufacture as many silencers and SBRs/Ss as possible. Homemade will be better than ever because unless you're buying kits on Amazon it will be impossible to prove when you manufactured your items so no matter when you made them you could just claim it was during the window.
>>65401169I think it only applies to form 4 which is a transfer of an NFA item. Form 1 is creation, so no?
Is there a cut off for what "customer" meansI haven't bought anything from PSA in like a year
>>65401169Do you have to be a goa member to take advantage? I have a lifetime FPC membership. I did buy a beretta from PSA 9 years ago
>>65397895>The National Firearms Act of 1934 is now UNCONSTITUTIONAL as applied.Only to suppressors, SBRs, and SBSes.Also, the ruling ONLY applies to members of the plaintiff organizations (GOA, CCRKBA, a few others, note that the NRA is NOT one of them).The limits on who it applies to were because of all the nationwide injunctions activist scumbag judges (Boasberg and the rest) were issuing against the removals of criminal illegal aliens. Trump was forced to appeal those, repeatedly, to SCOTUS, and SCOTUS eventually issued an opinion that judgments in class actions could only be applied to the plaintiffs, not to everyone in the entire U.S.IDK if an appeals court can affirm and issue a true nationwide injunction against the NFA, or if only the SCOTUS can issue a true nationwide injunction that lets everyone in every state (that doesn't ban suppressors outright, like California and Illinois and Assholetwoshits) buy them without filing the stupid paperwork. Either way, the DOJ needs to keep appealing this and any other similar cases until suppressors are freely available to everyone.
>>65398051The FTN.5 megapack.
Just bought an SBR so we’ll see if it requires a Form 4 after transferring to my dealer. I suggest you anons buy anything you want right now since there will be a rush on anything NFA once more details come out about this ruling and if the DOJ is going to appeal or do the right thing and just stop enforcing the NFA nationwide (unlikely).
>>65400670>lifetime membership is $1000Honestly kind of tempting.
>>65400448He's carrying the super-special magic face stone that marks him for global greatness.At a critical point when suffering failure and difficulty on his path, it becomes an instrument that extends an offer to ascend and become kind of a demigod in exchange for feeding every single one of his followers to demons.Everyone who fought for him because they believed in him are not happy about him signing up to be part of the god hand [spoiler]of Israel[/spoiler] at their great expense.
>>65397895Federal judges cannot issue nation-wide injunctions anymore per Trump v. CASA, Inc. So this only applies to actual parties to the case in the jurisdiction where this case was decided. The Government may simply choose not to appeal and the law will remain as is for the rest of the country. >>65398004Feds will likely benefit from simply just not appealing.
>tfw NFA items are all banned in Illinois anyway except SBRs and that requires a C&R loicense
>>65401773Which in and of itself is bullshit because this isn't an "affected class" court action, this addresses a right guaranteed to every citizen and legal resident of the country. Every single US resident is being infringed on because of this. Every resident is a member of the injured party and has a interest in the outcome of this case. Granting relief to one requires granting relief to all, regardless of affiliation with the plaintiffs.
>>65401942>Trump vs CASAOne of the worst court decisions of the past thirty years, right up there with Citizens United.>ordinary citizens can't be broadly protected form federal over reach with a single injuction anymore
>>65397895It's a nothingburger.It's directly contradicted by USA v. Comeaux, No. 24-30307 (5th Cir. 2026) (which was literally just fucking decided, that's why there's no reporter cite) and United States v. Peterson, 161 F.4th 331 (5th Cir. 2025),cert. denied, 224 L. Ed. 2d 501 (2026) both out of the same circuit. 99% chance stay is granted and the case is overturned on appeal. That's how it be on this bitch of an earth.t. Lawnigger
>>65401966No, it's okay, anon because that case was decided when they were trying to deny citizenship to browns, who ended up wining anyway, so it didn't matter even though now it's fucking us out of gun rights.
>>65401966Citizens United was correct though.
>>65401969DOJ already announced an appeal was coming on X before deleting the post. Its true, nothing ever happens.Fuck this gay earth
>>65401966Citizens United was correct and so was CASA. It's retarded to allow a district trial court to aseet unilateral universal authority. It inverts the very concept of having a hierarchical federal court system.
>>65401969Except both of those cases seem to contradict each other and appear to be contradicted by existing law.>a supressor is simultaneously not a firearm (not subject to 2A protection) and it is (GCA, subject to 2A protection)>a supressor is simultaneously a "dangerous and unusual device" (not subject to 2A protection) but also actually common and subject to 2A protection>SCOTUS has ruled supressors qualify under 2A protections so the argument is "well it's ok as long as there's not an undue wait period or exorbitant fee"I'm not going to even pretend to be a lawyer but it sure seems like two different judges making two rulings that are completely at odds with each other, on cases where people violated the law and were trying to save their own skin vs a suit for relief from multiple interested parties arguing that the ATF now lacks the authority to enforce the regulations on the books regarding confirming if people paid a tax that no longer exists.
>>65397895And they will tell you voting doesn't matter.
>>65401990yeah overt corporate control of politics at the expense of the little man has been a blessing. you fucking idiot, I hope you get the clap (no offense).
>>65401990>letting corporations funnel unlimited money to politicians anonymously through "PACS" was actually good for the countryNo, no I don't think it was.
>>65402018Not what Citizens United was about. Try again, retard.
>>65402006The entire point of allowing a district court to gum up the works is to force a heirarchal review to keep the feds from just steam rolling citizens for years or decades until it finally gets up to SCOTUS and gets decided. It was done entirely because the president decided he wasn't getting his way fast enough and will continue to make everything worse for all of us.
>>65402018Correct. Because the alternative is that the government can tell you who you can and cannot donate money to.>Oh? You want to support the NRA and GOA? Sorry, those are dangerous lobbying groups. And any money they do get, they can’t actually use. It’s safer this way, trust us.>BTW, donating to Moms Demand Action and Everytown are perfectly fine though.
>>65402022I'll bet you don't think FEC v Cruz de facto legalized bribing political candidates either you mouth breathing boot licker.
>>65402026"Gumming up the works" is not how the court system is supposed to function. Universal injunctions were retarded and had no constitutional or historical precedent to begin with.
>>65402026The idea is fine. But the result was that you could judge shop to find a specific judge that will rule the way you want and the apply that rule to everyone.A better option would probably be that nationwide injunctions are a thing, but they have to be put in place by a panel of multiple judges from different districts or circuits.
>>65401329If you have ever purchased something from them now or in the future, and can prove it, you are covered. Per their last video.
>>65402029Corporations are not people. Extending first ammendment protections to corporations donating money to political campaigns is fucking stupid. That decision allows that.>well but what if you get told as an individual you can't donate to certain groupsThat has never been an issue. The issue was always corporations couldn't directly interfere in politics so they made up a sock puppet, sued the government under the guise of "protecting citizens", and changed it so they could.
>>65402035It didn't but stay mad. I'll never understand why you leftists get so upset at people lending and spending their own money.
>>65402044You're right. Publishing companies, cable news, and newspapers should be censored during election season so they don't influence the vote.
>>65402047And now we just have "publishing companies" algorithmically decide what everyone is allowed to see during election season deliberately to influence the vote and nobody can punish them because they bought the legislature, what an amazing improvement.
>>65402036>>65402040Allowing lower courts to act in preemptive defense of the ordinary citizens has always been the idea. Citizens are guaranteed the ability to seek redress of grievance from the government and the idea that "well yes we said what we're doing to that guy is actually wrong or unconstitutional but you're not that guy so you have to sue us too to make us stop" is insane.>no precedentThe idea that a citizen could force the government to stop doing whatever they were doing is foundational to the country. It's baked into the federalist papers and the constitution.>judge shoppingYes, it happens. So do panel reviews, frequently (see every single one of Benetiz's pro-2A rulings). Sometimes the shit even goes to the SCOTUS. But the whole point is it shouldn't have to before injuctive relief for something that's affecting many gets granted to them.
>>65402044> Corporations are not peopleCorporations ARE people. That’s a fundamental tenet of modern reality. Well, I say modern, but the idea of corporations is centuries old.And DESU, you don’t WANT corporate personhood to go away, because that’s how you’re able to sue corporations.Imagine the following scenario: you’re driving along minding your own business when your airbags explodes causing major burns and shrapnel injuries. With personhood, you can sue Ford and whoever manufactured the airbag. Without it, you have to investigate and find the individual people who manufactured the air bag, signed off of the QA, approved that brand and model airbag for that vehicle model, designed the implementation of the air bag, physically installed the airbag in the car, and signed off on that QA testing. Which, of course, you’ll never be able to accomplish because the companies won’t tell you, and even if they do, you’re not going to get much out of eight year old Ping Pong in China, and only a little out of Manuel in Dearborn.
>>65402045Nigger faggot every person in this country should be free to walk into a gas station, buy a handle of liquor, an uzi, and a case of hand grenades to go with their energy drink and bag of chips. Letting artifical entities created solely for profit take control of the government is bad for everyone, but I guess you like living in a studio appartment and working yourself to death so Disney-Warner-Amazon can give itself rights in perpetuity to all creative output, existing and preemptively.
>>65402054The lower courts can act, they can enjoin action and protect the PARTIES to a suit. Allowing a trial court to essentially make vergone everywhere party to a suit all at once with no justification or balancing is fucking stupid and has no tradition in the common law.
>>65402064>>65402051Publishing a movie that shits on Hillary Clinton is not "taking control of the government".
>>65401995Do you have a way back machine link? :)
>>65402051So you're arguing that a company shouldn't be allowed to publish a movie or a book shitting on or sucking off one particular candidate too close to an election because... it hurts your feelings I guess. Because that's what Citizens United was about. So CNN isn't allowed to run an Op-ed on Trump and the Iran war, or the Epstien Files, within 90 days of the election. And the people deciding what is and isn't political speech that needs to be censored will undoubtedly be nameless faceless bureaucrats with thier own agenda. That's the world you want. Got it.
>>65400262Gonna cry, libtard?
Wow gee I wonder why the concern trolling shows up the exact moment commies are trying to talk about economics and law and displaying their complete illiteracy in both.
>>65398941they're turning around, back to an actual progun organization from the kleptocratic boogyman they were, the kicked out the corrupt thieves and are actually doing good again. help out fuddbusters who's getting sued by california for publishing ghost guns where californian serfs can access them. parasites happen all the time to non profit organizations, happened to a historical society i was a member of.
>>65397895Does this automatically apply to all GoA members after the stay?
