Is he right to hope for that?
>>65400099you are incapable of independent thought. Seek help.
>>65400099A ship-to-ship missile isn't very useful when the US's main vectors of engagement against surface threats are aircraft and submarines. I guess it can be used to sink Philippine patrol boats harder.
>>65400167Ballistic missiles seem to remove American aircraft bases from Gulf region quiet nice and ballistic defenses aren't sufficient to stop these threat. They don't provide high interception probability, ballistic missiles get throw anyway, plus expenditure of interceptors is so large US run out of them fighting against lol Iran.
>>65400201>sources say>CohenI thought browns hated jews
>>65400201No, they don’t seem sufficient at all to do what you claim, especially given all the shilling you guys keep having to do.>sources sayIgnored.
>>65400167What about ground-to-ship?
>>65400099The US only has enough interceptors to shoot down a quarter of Chinese missiles and the Chinks could shoot down most of the us stuff, as it stands the US would probably lose though maybe Allies could offset that. That said I don’t believe these two will actually get into a war and it would be insane to hope for one
>>65400099Yes. Because they have a plan for that, and continuing with more advanced AI torpedos is something they won't be able to reliably intercept... Especially in swarms.
>>65400201American air assets relocated from one airbase 500km from Tehran to a different airbase 500km from Tehran. Why don't you shills ever mention the distance? Kek
The integrated autonomous kill-webs are submersible.
>>65400737And other fantasies you can tell yourself
>>65400864NTA...But remind me again, who has all the manufacturing capacty?
>>65401420Manufacturing capacity is pointless unless you're getting raw materials into the factories. More than 95% of China's total foreign trade volume (by weight) moves by sea. What happens if freight cannot drop this stuff at their ports?
>>65400099We're onto laser-based CIWS, and it will be an average thing to have on our ships in the 2030s
>>65401420The US and europe lol, china has second order manufacturing capability, they assemble the high end parts that we, the europeans, and other asian countries make.
>>65401449>unless you're getting raw materialsI will concede I've not done much in the way of research for the feeding of these things, but that 'foreign trade volume' you speak of is mostly goods leaving the country?I know they have imports they rely upon, but things like that chemical process they come up with that can render their native pigiron as good or better than the Oz ore they buy will be making a difference.>What happens if freight cannot drop this stuff at their ports?That suggests you can actually get to the ports? My understanding is attempts at this just bring you closer to the factories. Sure. An aircraft carrier will likely take a torpedo hit and shrug it off (wager the designer didn't account for 90° up from the bottom) but how many? If I can think of filling a shipping container with AI torpedo and leaving 'em in 'sensible' places on the sea floor somone else *will* have, and be well on the way to making it happen - if it hasn't already. Then factor in for *current* production rate vs consumtion rate.Rumor hits my ear missiles, and specifically in this case interceptors, are being thrown about by the septics like them going outta fashion. From top o head I can't think o anyone chinks bulk unloading on. Also, don't forget they head-start. Sure, you'll easily deal with their scary dragon mk2 missiles, but they're already on the mk4 and the mk2 will be just to deplete your ammo...>>65401471That was true. But the homegrown processes have become both more numerous and disparate. Some is 'just western shit under license', but some is entirely spun up from the ground by scratch - and all the learning that goes with. In some cases it's not up to feature parity, sure, but consider the progression and timescale. Do not expect any difference to remain for long. Especially when 90%+ of published research papers have at least one chang on the authorship.
>>65401420show me the footage of chinese interceptors working
>>65400099Ballistic missile is likely going to require an interceptor. A ballistic missile is hard to hit so the interceptor is likely going to be just about as expensive as the ballistic missile.China can build more ballistic missiles than we can get launchers in-theater.Even if we think we have a pretty good defense, there's still the threat of one getting through, and I question just how many ships we'd be willing to risk. We're quick to invade if it's going to be a curb stomp, but as Iran seems to show, we don't seem to have the stomach for hundreds of planes being shot down and dozens of ships sunk. China wants to avoid the fragile white male ego feeling threatened by their success leading to an attack, so all they need to "win" is to make the fragile white male ego feel more threatened by the possibility of being made a laughingstock as ships are sunk left and right. Would the US go ahead with a plan to make them "respect our authority" by bombing their coastal cities if they have an absolute crap ton of antiship ballistic missiles? I think the threat makes us hold back in a way we just didn't in Venezuela or Iran and we won't with Greenland.
>>65401534Never said I could. Isn't entirely my area of expertise, doing your research for you.Just saying they have manufacturing capabilties. This specific field is legitmately a hard one so I'm sure there's things sported lesser capable than advertised. But that's apparent with the footage of 'western tech' too. Again, differences in ability level will become lesser pronounced over time and angle the curve is flattening at means it won't be long before feature parity is obtained. Then surpassed.Take cars. Chink car from 50 years ago was a complete bag of shit. 20 years ago you wouldn't of entertained it. 10 years ago they started hitting feature parity. Now you can't compete, then can build it better, and sell it cheaper.Besides, for interceptors they can just weave blankets of temu drones and make the explosion happen further away...
>>65401471Europe needs to get its shit together. The Chinese should not be manufacturing everything you need.
>>65401449They have these things called stockpiles, and they’re quite fucking big.Then calculate that in a war scenario, they wouldn’t be exporting as much. They have no trouble turning off the tap for fertilizer exports right now for example. Everyone else depending on imports from them WILL get fucked.So with less exports, their material crunch would be a lot less than “just blockade china” midwits would expect.
>>65401449You IDIOT. Those chink trade volumes are EXPORTS. China has plenty of raw materials inland. They control the Spice, I mean rare earths. They also have completed their Belt & Road leg in ASEAN. China can transport goods from China to Malaysia (Neutral country) entirely by RAIL, bypassing Singapore (US toady) and get there 2 weeks earlier too. It is no stretch of imagination that the flow can and will be reversed if need be.
>>65401909>Malaysia will replace Chinas vast imports>imports it requires to be able to function, as a nation. 'kay
>>65400201Learn how to keep consistent plurals you esl faggot
