>Remember to give your guys rice >Plan things out before you do anything>If you can't win, don't fight>I'm serious about the riceWas he really a genius? Like, how can someone need to be told this stuff? Why do we still read his book?
>>65407877His customers were people who though rice comes in jade bowls and meat from the ancestral hall.
>There's no way real leaders could be that retarded and just start wars with no plan at all>open the newsAhhh, naruhodo~
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe."
>>65407877Awkward moment
>>65407877Every motherfucker since time immemorial thinks they're smarter than my man sun tzu; but where the rubber hits the road they always attack without a numerical or strategic advantage, they never pack enough supplies and they never have a robust game plan. Its one thing to understand the principles and treat them as common sense, its another thing to actually live them.
Is it some autist who keeps making the Sun Tzu threads or a dishonest chink poster.
>>65407905I attribute at least some of the fault to min-max financial strategies that have come about from the dawn of the work computer.See the math says this is how much we need and how much time it will take and my math is never wrong.It completely disregards that *shit always happens*
>>65407877Lao Tzu was a wise man
>>65407877That shit was written like 2500 years ago. It was pretty introspective for its time. It's like sports: Fundamentally it's about throwing a ball around or whatever, but ultimately the players that have conditioned themselves and understand the event at a deeper level have positioned themselves for better odds of success.
>>65407888Why are carrier crews so weak?t. Submariner
>>65407877It's fundamental, that's why people read it. Fundamentals are important, as demonstrated in our modern times when nations don't issue adequate supplies or attack without a plan and get themselves stuck in a quagmire.
>>65407877It was written for the nobility which had no clue about warfare or even basic necessities.
>>65407888>>65407997The real question is where the flying fuck is the support structure that the United States Military is known for. The only real issue should be the noticeably long deployment period on the men. The rest is basic supply side situations that should already be supported by the supply side of the Navy. This is the same Navy that was challenged to figure out where to send the ice cream barge back in WW2. They're already bringing the supplies in, and would have been doing so since well before a yellow journalist decided to make up bullshit.
>>65407881You would me amazed at how many an author can offer a text to the given nobility which is merely tantamount to saying "Hay, don't be a retard" and be lauded for it. Machiavelli did the same thing in his day.
>>65407877Try actually learning something about how feudal China worked and how it lead to corrupt bureaucracy where merit was not rewarded. Then realize that the picture of China's history you get from the Chinese themselves is a fiction intended to built up their culture into mythical status. So yes, common sense wisdom was a revolutionary development for them.
>Was he really a genius?The work's real claim to fame is that it's the oldest military treatise we know of, the genius of the author is mostly just assumed from that with very few who speak of it having actually read the text. There's also a good bit of celebrity endorsement thrown in, with Cao Cao liking it enough to create an edited and commented version of it may be what set Sun Tzu up as this revered figure originally.Now as for Sun Tsu itself it's uncertain if he ever existed. Historians apparently do have a fair idea of all the major military commanders of his time, and his name is nowhere to be found except on the cover of this book. If he did exist then we may be looking at a junior officer writing his "master thesis", or perhaps "Baby's First Strategy Textbook" for the benefit of some princeling he's been hired to tutor. In the latter case inventing some military genius of some time past as its author might help get the whippersnapper's attention...The Art of War as we know it also isn't the unaltered original, it is made up of at least two texts merged together, and has liekly lost some bits and pieces of itself along the way as well.
>>65407877for 'rice' substitute 'missiles', then turn on the news and you can watch in real time what happens when a leader jumps into war without understanding logistics, or ignoring the advice or people who do understand logistics and supply.
>>65407877And yet >>65407882 and>>65407888You've got to keep in mind that Art of War is a beginner's text, meant for nobles who don't know which end of the sword to hold or Literal Children. Sun Tzu wrote it because nobles would raise an army, run off on campaign, and get everyone killed again and again. This was basically a War for Dummies.If you want something more advanced you'll probably want Six Secret Strategic Teachings or 36 Stratagems.
>>65408045Pretty bad example though. Old Mac wrote a companion piece (The Prince) to another book (Discourses on Livy). They reference each other and the main book was written with the idea that the readers would be paying attention and consider the meta-layer of meaning within the text's organization and omissions.>>65408105>>65407888>the people I hire don't shit or sleep or get breaks>the machines used for me always work
>>65408038Someone responsible has to cut the orders before the Navy can do anything, and Hegseth is doing shitty pushups.
>>65407877A great many ideas seem obvious once someone else has come up with them.
>>65407877Ukraine and Iran war are both squarely against Sun Tzu's teachings and see how well they are going...
>>65408038I recall that the support elements of the US armed forces have been cut back and outsourced to private sector suppliers?And the US is currently controlled by a guy whose business strategy was to never pay his bills.
>>65407888Aww the navy have to live in the conditions normally only reserved for the marines. Granted I only had to deal with that shit for 3 months. But I also had no job to do on the ship to pass my time and distract me. Bar soap gentlemen.
>>65408038>noticeably long deploymentWhen did a 9 month deplobecome excessively long? That was the norm, early GWOT. If you were lucky, it might only be 7 or 8. If you were unlucky, you were out there until something mission critical broke.>t. did 18 months underway 2001-2003
>>65407877Anon the Art of War was basically a 'For Dummies' book for people who existed thousands of years before the internet was a thing. Most people in their daily lives, even to this day, don't think about the most common considerations for war.
>>65408186it's fucked up that i remember the phone number from this commercial
>>65407877>generals are all from the military class>military class gets decimated by big-ass war>situation gets bad enough that they have to start giving command roles to people from other parts of society, who aren't necessarily as familiar with the job because they weren't literally raised from birth to do it>somebody who was decides to write an introductory primer to help the newfags not fuck up too badlyit's Managing A Military Campaign For Dummies™, not a PhD thesis
>>65408191I don't remember the number, but I do remember the commercial being spammed to no end.
>>65408173>>65408180>It's always been like this guise>You've never had it so good!
>>65408206eight hundred five eight eight two three hundred
>>65407909it's the same autisthe also bumps his own thread multiple times while pretending to make new commentsyou can tell because all the new comments just so happen to say the same thing he says, but paraphrased very slightly
>>65408210Oh right yeah lol. The JG Wentworth commerical is also stuck in my head. I still to this day have no fucking idea what a structured settlement is.
>>65408038>Overstretched due to multiple deployments and operations literally all over the world>Logistics entirely outsourced to private sector (((contractors)))>In this case, utter failure to actually replace naval vessels because the US Navy got shafted hard the last 2 decades thanks to post Cold War end of history "future conflicts will only be low intensity insurgencies guise" neocon/neolib retardation >SecDef and Navy brass don't give a flying fuck about crews (see Ford overworking guys to the point of multiple back to back suicides and the Skipper's response was "work harder")Basically the entire political establishment went all in to neoliberal ideas after the Soviet's fell, and we haven't even tried to recover in any meaningful way.
>>65408231The US in general has not had anything to rise to since the Soviets fell. It's really turbocharged the enshittification of Western society.
>>65408209>zoomers can’t stockpile an extra soap and toothpasteGranted flushing your wipe sock was always stupid but if you’re in the 25th percentile you know to always have your own personal shitpaper in your pocket to because you cant trust it to be in any of the heads you find yourself plopping down on. Sea dogs never had to take a huge MRE shit behind a bush and it shows.
>>65407877Because some people (even today, look at russia) still don't know this and need to be told it. Logistics and picking fights you can win is how you win wars.
>>65408279Okay, Pete. Have another shot.
>>65408321In their defense, the Ukies are the ones struggling. The Russians just bought a war more expensive than they initially calculated, but they aren't getting clobbered like the Italians when they invaded France and Greece back during WW2.
>>65408342Listen bro. Drumpf admin 2 is somehow more cringe than 1 was but you shouldn’t find yourself sided next to Twitterscreenshots. Especially twitterposts of a politician named Levin
>>65408064This is too much revisionism for normal hands. Are you Japanese or jewish?
>>65408354Im sure you said this when you fought with Finland in the Winter War too
>>65408354The Russians have blown through all their Soviet stockpiles, suffered nearly a million casualties and will soon collapse economically, for what? 10% of Ukraine, which they will lose soon anyway
>>65407877It was written for nepobabies given command as a birthright rather than any form of meritocracy.>>65407882Kek, the more things change the more they stay the same.
>>65408357They got the borders corrected in their favour and managed to make Finland part of their sphere of influence for the duration of the Cold War.
>>65407877>Like, how can someone need to be told this stuff?
>>65408165>Ukraine and Iran war are both squarely against Sun Tzu's teachings and see how well they are going.Putin actually followed Sun Tzu'a advice to the letter when he didn't tell his soldiers what the plan was.
>>65408374Kek, I think the idea is they know where they are going today but not next week, you should probably tell them it's an active invasion instead of an exercise.
>>65408210>eight hundred five eight eight two three hundredEMPIIIIRE!fuck me I can't believe that's actually stuck in my goddamn head forever
>>65408362>blown through all their Soviet stockpiles,It's truly remarkable that they accomplished so little with so fucking much.They should have just gone balls to the wall and fully committed, if they had just spammed all the tanks they've now lost at the same time, they would have literally crushed Ukraine under treads, you wouldn't have been able to turn a corner on any city street without meeting a transiting barrel.That might honestly be the greatest lesson one could take from that conflict - don't slow-roll it - if you don't have the stones to go all in, don't start shit in the first place. Obviously this is likewise the case for Iran.Should have never sent the first bomb in if there wasn't any intention on having boots kick doors short term.Now the US is going down the same path Russia did, getting involved in a long, drawn out conflict that will drain funds and supplies for years.What a bunch of fucking retards.
>>65408527>Now the US is going down the same path Russia did, getting involved in a long, drawn out conflict that will drain funds and supplies for years.I don't think there's a nation as experienced in low-simmering Forever Wars as the US.
>>65407877Planting rice is a metaphor
>>65408527>They should have just gone balls to the wall and fully committed, if they had just spammed all the tanks they've now lost at the same time, they would have literally crushed Ukraine under treadsThey couldn't even supply what they did send. Tank columns were running out of fuel on day fucking 1 in 2022.
>>65407877Remembering to actually feed your men seems to be a hurdle a majority of armies fail at.
>>65407877So modern Russia?
>>65408585Doing anything becomes complicated when the crews are selling off the fuel for vodka money.
>>65408654So your solution is to have more crews sell more fuel for more vodka?
>>65407877 I bet even TSun Tzu feels the shame of this.
>>65408216You can only bump a thread once as an OP, and twice as someone other than an OP, baka gaijin.
>>65407877i think it's hard to overstate how much knowledge we have freely available at our fingertips compared to in the past
>>65408558What? No, Rice is Rations. White rice keeps for months so you pack a couple tons of the stuff for any campaign and it'll keep the men fed.
>>65408705I doubt he feels any shame. He’s looking down from heaven going “I told you so”.
>>65407997Yeah, you motherfuckers are nuts. No way am I going underwater in what is essentialy a tin can.
>>65408209>join the military>wait it’s not just free shit and video games stateside?Join the Space Force or the USCG, faggot. The other branches deploy. It’s not my fault that you’re enlisting under an ASVAB waiver and can’t be picky about who will take you.
>>65407888>keep repeating disinfo, and it might eventually be true, even if only for a few days
>>65408832Upsides:>It's cool>You'll be doing spoopy secret stuff>Your death will be pretty fast and not too painful (unless you get Kursk'd)Downsides:>It's uncomfortable>It's extremely gay even by Navy standards
>>65407877>Was he really a genius?compared to civilian bureaucrats with zero comprehension of the topic
>>65408038>The real question is where the flying fuck is the support structure that the United States Military is known forGONE. Destroyed by the JiT brainrot meme. We don't have strategic stockpiles of anything anymore and a single supply chain disruption means disaster. Meanwhile China has been stockpiling multiple years worth of food.
>>654083545 years into the 3 day special operation the brave ukie resistance continues to fight the occupier by... murdering generals in Moscow, blowing up oil refineries thousands of km away from ukraine, exporting their drone tech and swatting russian planes out of the air. Yeah, the struggle is real.
>>65408935At that point, the civilian bureaucrats would've been hardcore Legalists.
>>65407888Don't they rotate personnel during a mission? It's a floating airport so some people must be flying in and out surely?
>>65407888This is still fake btw
>>65408390>that one OMON commander who only figured out they were in ukraine when he saw a sign that said "Chernobyl"
>>65408935and who thought drinking mercury was the key to immortality
>>65407997>>65408927I knew a guy who said when a sub comes in after a long patrol and cracks it's hatch you can smell it all over the docks. 6 months of compressed farts all at once
>>65407877Yeah and the guys who invented the wheel and the spear were overhyped retards too. Like, holy shit bruh, that stuff is fucking obvious.
>>65409123Yeah, that's the kind of things technically-not-a-teen-any-more likes to say.
>>65407888While likely true, I'm not listening to anyone named Levin thoughbeit.
people pay jordan peterson to tell them to clean their rooms
>>65408956>Meanwhile China has been stockpiling multiple years worth of food.And oil.And coal. And uranium.And gold, platinum, and rare earth elements.>JUST BEFORE 2027GEE I WONDER WHY THEY WOULD EVER DO THAT?
>>65408228It's a lawsuit settlement that is structured, ie you get paid installments on a court-ordered schedule instead of all at once. Some people can't/won't wait for the money, so JG Wentworth comes in, pays you a big chunk of what you're owed, then any remaining payments go to them. Basically if you win a lawsuit but can't live on the scheduled payments, JG Wentworth will buy said settlement off of you for a cut of what it's worth.
>>65409123From what I've heard, the main smell is deep fryer grease. They can filter everything else but that one always sticks around.
>>65407877>Like, how can someone need to be told this stuff?His audience was the Chinese nobility
>>65408927Kursk wasn’t even that bad of a death. The survivors suffocated fairly quickly once they dropped that CO2 scrubber after less than 6 hours of waiting
>>65408369An enviable resolution to a Russian military endeavor
>>65407877I'd say he knows a little more about fighting than you do, pal, because he invented it.
>>65408369the goal was to conquer all of finland, though.
>>65409189>JUST BEFORE 2027Anon. They've been doing that for decades.
>>65407877Yeah man. Like why lern Eh Bee Sees when we kan jus wach yootoob?
>>65408697Eventually they will buy all vodka, and then they will not be able to sell fuel for vodka ))))! Is master plan!
>>65408118>Sun Tzu wrote it because nobles would raise an army, run off on campaign, and get everyone killed again and againYou forgot>and then execute the general for failing to fight hard enough to win despite it all
>>65410222And he perfected it so that no loving man could best him in the ring of honor.
>>65410255unless it's a farm
>>65410255And then he used his fight money to buy two of each and every animal on earth!
>>65408969They're not exactly landing 747s on the carrier
>>65407877If POTUS actually read It, he wouldn't be in the current mess right now
>>65409123They ventilate the boat pretty frequently underway.>>65409342It’s amine from the CO2 scrubbers. It smells kind of like someone pissing up the tailpipe of a bus and is a very persistent odor.
>>65410252I thought that was a meme! Only example I know about was a waste of king Zhao king that lost his head shortly after arresting and executing his best general.
>>65410450>They ventilate the boat pretty frequently underway.Creamed corn flatulence is not ventilation
>>65407888Ponder the aroma
>>65413709*Sniff, sniff* I smell mismanagement.
>>65408832They put a tin can inside another slightly larger tin can. Your fear is unwarranted.
>>65409189As much as I WANT to believe that China might do something funny, they most likely won't. Xi saw firsthand how russia fell over it's own feet to conquer a country directly on their border. Xi would rather wait and see and let Russia become the real life Borogravia.
>>65407882Hey, there was a plan! A really good one!
>>65408118No, you read Cao Cao's commentaries on the Art of War.
>>65410264Even the entoprocts???
>>65407877Most generals fail these basic tenants.
>>65407877>Like, how can someone need to be told this stuff?He was writing for the Hegseths of his day.
>>65414616Hegseth's defenders on /k/ don't even try to defend him anymore.
>>65407888Honest question, why can't they send supply ships with the food and goods the sailors need? Or is Hegseth trying to turn the US military into russia-lite?
>>65416054The fleet is over-extended and under-supplied. And a carrier sucks up supplies like nothing else. The farther out at sea it is, the harder it becomes.
>>65414050I forgot about Cao Cao. How the hell did I forget about Cao Cao?
>>65416054Privatization only reached until the harbour, one would suppose. They don't have the security protocols and suppliers with the necessary ships for high seas resupply runs in place.
>>65416083>>65416701Makes you wonder how much better, and cost effective the US military would become if they just cut out all the private contractors and did everything in house, so to speak.
>>65408354Buddy Russia didn't archived its war goal for over four years, they might archived gains, set up war economy but they are forced to import fuel from India their best friend is Best Korea and despite years of threats of nooooking NATO Europe and USA didn't back down from supporting Ukraine treating it more like warfare expo than proxy war.
>be sneakyALL TIME STRATEGIC MILITARY GENIUSIt's how I feel about the ancient philosophers, they got to say all the easy and obvious shit first
>>65417279One would hope the outsourcing has done them more good than DOGE.
>>65417610People have never stopped being sick of being reminded of basic bitch shit by experts. They have always longed for those delicious Alternative Facts from alternative sources.
>>65409216In order for them to make any money sounds like they are getting the better slice of the deal.
People say Clausewitz was better, but his great insight was that shit sounds easy until you have to actually do it.
>>65407877>how can someone need to be told this stuffBy being chinese.
>>65419554Friction is actually an incredibly important concept in all walks of life.
>>65407882No you're right, Iran closing the Strait for the 7th time while ships continue to pass through, their entire country being economically devastated, and the IRGC's payments slowly getting lower and lower as their assets get seized definitely seems like a winning strategy.Where's Rafah, by the way? I don't see it anymore.
>>65408504I READ THIS IN THE DAMN VOICESWITHTHEJINGLE
>>65420566to what end?
>>65420566>while ships continue to pass throughI'm American and all I've read about in like ~1000 ships still fucking stranded in the Gulf.
>>65420666I'm sorry you only get your sources from Pakistan, anon.
>>65420566>posted from the back of a Turkish catering truck
>>65420666>AmericanSure you are, Chang
>>65420682Third-worlders are only capable of "no u" as an argument style.
>>65420566>>65420566>while ships continue to pass through13 on average a day, down from 80 before this the war started (123 on peak days). Great success fellow MAGAcucks!
>>65420991Unrelated but this reminds me of the fact that that rape ape has spent the past week seething about the twitter revenue changes instead of working on this site
>>65420666>I'm American
>>65407888Hold on what? /k/ told me americans have a +100% racial bonus on logistics?
>>65421105So if everyone who likes Trump is a Russian shill, and everyone who doesn't like Trump is a Chinese shill, does that actually leave any non-shills? Can we only trust those who practice a zen-like neutrality towards Trump now?
>>65407888this unquestioned tweeter screencap post shows how many retards have came onto the board
>>65407877>Like, how can someone need to be told this stuff?It doesn't hurt to teach the basics once.Your students will at least be ahead of the ones that weren't taught the basics.
>>65408142>They reference each otherNo, The Discourses was written after The Prince failed at its primary task of getting Mac a job. Though it succeeded in preventing him from being tortured again. The Discourses was written when Mac knew he'd never be cool again and he was just writing for himself.
>>65408180they've had a total of 21 hours in port since november 21
>>65421551>It's nooooooot truuuuuuuueee waaaaaaaaaaaaaaah waaaaaaaaaaaaahThe Military Times, which is written and edited by fucking boomer veterans is reporting on it, dipshit. Founded in fucking 1940 to be a pro-military voice. https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2026/08/11/multiple-uss-abraham-lincoln-sailors-have-tried-to-go-overboard-amid-extended-deployment-families-say/
>>65410270>They're not exactly landing 747s on the carrierThey're landing C-2s and C-130s aren't they?
>>65413758>They put a tin can inside another slightly larger tin can. Your fear is unwarranted.The outside can leaks though.
>>65421072>this reminds me of the fact that that rape ape has spent the past week seething about the twitter revenue changes instead of working on this siteWhat's his handle?
>>65408854Im genuinely glad my job keeps me from deploying and being involved in whatever pointless middle east clusterfuck we are currently engaged in.
>>65421628>The service did not respond to inquiries by Military Times, but in a statement provided to Task & Purpose, denied the report.>“Based on information available to the command, we have not identified an increase in reported suicidal ideation or suicide attempts aboard the ship,” officials told Task & Purpose.>The Navy also told T&P it recognizes that extended deployments place significant strain on service members and their families, and that the Lincoln has medical professionals, counselors, chaplains, fleet and family support services available to sailors.>Navy officials also said current reports from the ship confirm continuous access to clean water and functional air conditioning. The service also acknowledged disruptions to mail and changes to resupply and replenishment during the deployment.?https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2026/08/13/senator-presses-navy-for-answers-on-uss-abraham-lincoln-deployment/
>>65420593>Today!
>>65421734>We investigated ourselves and found we did nothing wrongBro, Hegseth has lost the boomers at military times, which means things are way, way worse than we know about.
>>65416686How How do you forget about Cao Cao?
>>65407888>weedle with commie hat>bluesky>marveltier quipive seen enough, shut the site down for good hiro
>>65421955>>65421551Samefag
>>65420991And then there will be a pipeline and then brown trannies who identify with the Ayatollah will be crying and seething while Iran starves to death.
>>65422020>implyingCopefag
>>65422029Extra strength copium
>>65408038Logistics is woke.
>>65422891Bro, fuck all that spreadsheets bullshit nerd bullshit! LETS DO SOME FUCKING PUSHUPS! YEEAAAAAAAAH!
>>65422973>blazon of the kingdom of Jerusalem>dies for IsraelCurious
>>65422973But Pete how will the testosterone supplements make it to the front? The boys need their testosterone.
>>65407888Same country that used to be able to deliver fucking ice cream to island-hopping soldiers in WW2What siding with the USSR does to a mf
>>65423023It's the end result of anti-intellectualism.If you read non-fiction books, you probably can't get a job at DoW.
>>65407888>this is the navy that /k/anons told you had god-tier experience
>>65422851Sorry, but the brown subhumans will continue to die.
>>65407877In a Japanese war manual it mentioned that you should give them just the right amount or they’ll make sake and starve. Sometimes people need to be reminded of basic shit or their armies go under.
>>65407888Embarrassing
>>65423518That's not a nice way to talk about American soldiers.
>>65407997Because they're not selected for their willingness and ability to endure shitty conditions. They're also not paid well.
>>65416054>>65421374>>65423023>>65408038>>65408969Because the closest US Navy supply base and also the HQ of the US 5th fleet in Bahrein got rekt by Iranian Ballistic missiles, that's why now supply ships have to sail to Diego Garcia and buy supplies from ports from countries in the Indian Ocean instead.
>>65425582Turns out drones can defeat aircraft carriers.
>>65425463I know you think you've got me but I am glad that the browns on the American side have died as well.That still doesn't change the fact that roughly maybe 20 Americans have died and Iran's casualties number in the thousands.
>>65426329>That still doesn't change the fact that roughly maybe 20 Americans have died and Iran's casualties number in the thousands.Kill/death ratios seem to be kinda meaningless in the modern age.
>>65421931
>>65426942Sure, when you're losing I assume that's a comforting thought.
>>65426329>>65426942If your soldier's K/D is lower than that of an Auschwitz guard, you aren't killing enough to have a political impact.
>>65427018My country's not even involved.
>>65421931That's fine, as long as he doesn't pursue Lu Bu.
>>65427155You clearly have a dog in this fight, though.
>>65427286You clearly have dog in your stomach, ping-ling.
>>65427646>>65427286I clearly have a dog in my ass....wait
>>65408527>Now the US is going down the same path Russia did, getting involved in a long, drawn out conflict that will drain funds and supplies for years.It won't require years, probably not even one year. By the end of the year Iran's economy will be close to 50% of what it was pre-war. This is just due to them not being able to sell their oil because of the strait closure. No new military action is needed on behalf of the US. All they have to do its not let any Iranian oil through for four more months and the country will virtually collapse.
>>65420991>13 on average a dayAnd guess how much of that is oil from Iran going to China. LMAO!
>>65420566That's nice. I'm still not dying for Israel and I will kill the first person who tries to make me.
>>65420566That doesn't sound like No More Forever Wars to me. Just curious because I'm 100% sure you don't know the answer to this, if Iran surrendered tomorrow, what do we get out of it, that we didn't have before?
>>65422973What a fucking faggot. I would like to personally stab this piece of shit in the throat and watch the light leave is eyes.
>>65407997carrier fag here, women and topsiders
>>65427839>It won't require years, probably not even one year.Six months ago they said it wouldn't require a week.
>>65428278I'm talking purely about economic degradation.
>>65416054Those supply ship wouldn't be any safer than aircraft carriers over there I think.
>>65422029>*shahsneeds said pipeline*now what?
>>65427647Oh great, we can detect the dogfuckee even without his trip
>>65408045>Machiavelli>"Hey it's bad if everyone but you thinks you're a stupid asshole"
>>65427839Iraq lasted for 12 fucking years in a worse situation. Iran has Russia drip feeding them help through the Caspian. I doubt they'll collapse anytime soon. America had a generational opportunity to collapse the Iranian government but they were too busy stealing Venezuelan oil. The important thing about generational things is they crop up once every few decades. After Trump fucked over the Iranian opposition I doubt they'll rise again.>>65427899It's astonishing you think that's important.
>>65429572>somehow still seething about maduro
>>65429725No I'm seething about the 50,000 odd Iranian kids that Trump promised "Help is on the way" and then left them to the fucking wolves. I'm seething about the missed opportunity to remove one of the pillars of the Axis Of Cuntery.You dishonest prick.
>>65429837They're brown. Who cares?
>>65408045Wasn’t Machiavelli being more of political move maker though?
>>65429572>It's astonishing you think that's important.You can't be serious. There's not a single thing happening in the world that is of more importance to them. Prior to the war, China was getting about 45% of its oil via the Strait of Hormuz. The US was only sourcing about 7% of its oil from there. This is an existential threat for China. Once their reserves are gone (a few months at the current rate, or a year if they ration them) they're completely fucked.
>>65407877You aren't fooling anyone Pang Juan
>>65431411Give your guys some fucking food, Pete.
>>65407888>>65407877
>>65408716False.
>>65409162PENIS
>>65420566>unprompted eglinnigger melty KWAB
>>65430716Surely just two more weeks?
>>65435278>Eglin out of nowhereYou'll be droned and you won't like it (but nobody will care), zigan.
>>65429837Donnie worships tyrants as he is a wannabe one himself. For iran their idea of "regime change" was always to just pick a ayazuttah that would give the trump family and friends the most bribes. Leaving the tyranny intact, like venezuelaThe 50k they machine gunned and the opposition at large were always going to be screwed over by agent orange
>>65433548We are going to do much worse than cut your legs off when we find you pang. Wei will never claim the mandate of heaven.
>>65407888Imagine the smell
>>65407877It's all well and good to get all high and mighty in an age of detailed war historiography, where every detail of command and battle is recorded and deconstructed to find the nuance of every order and event, but the guy lived in an era where the best you could get, even as a fucking general, was an account from some mounted infantry who saw 10% of a single battle from 5km away. He analysed and deconstructed battles and aftermaths, then synthesised all he knew into a system of easily accessed maxims with very clear if/then/and/or structure, then actually distributed it. The standard for the period was to have some vague notion that was generally correct, start your own school/clique, charge an arm and a leg to tutor under him for 30 years to learn it, then be killed for actually trying to propagate that knowledge. Add to that, this was still the era of feudalism, so commanders were extra retarded, not just regular retarded. You can teach some 19 year old who believes he's semi-divine all about war and battle, but the second he gets buck fever because an enemy flank faltered for a few minutes, it won't matter how many times he's memorised the 287 forms of Zhong Que-Wing-Fuck's super-duper-war-winning style, he's still going to rush the flank and get thousands killed for his enthusiasm. Having an attendant literally stand there and point to a single line of a scroll saying "Don't be retarded, and you will win", written by a guy the teen prince practically jerks off to the legend of, is pretty effective.
Before standing armies warlords might be generals, or have no military experience whatsoever. So Lao Tzu is best thought of as warring states for dummies.Most of what he says it just baseless and conflicting pontification, but that's a feature of a lot of texts written explicitly for the wealthy and ignorant, and was the fashion at the time
>>65407877>yes, yes, well done, Sun Tzu>HOWEVER
>>65436407Interesting, now the narrative has shifted from them actually all being mossad agents
>>65440044>the narrative has shiftedPeople who talk about "the narrative" are invariably deluded retards with retarded takes.
>>65408180>When did a 9 month deplobecome excessively long?When sailors realized they were on that deployment purely because of israel, zero justification related to ANY aggression against America. GWOT had 9/11, bullshit as it may have been. What the fuck does this clusterfuck have? Israel started shit so now you have to eat shit for 9 months? Fuck that.
>>65408180It mattered when people started lying about supply ships being sunk.
>>65441993>people started lying about supply ships being sunkWho was saying that?
>>65441375Right, I forgot about that clause where you don't have to be deployed if someone thinks the war is badwrong.
>>65442976Yes.
>>65442976Correct. Forcing a population to fight a war they don’t like is a tried and true method of being coup’d for being a shitter ruler
>>65409189What will happen in 2027?:O
>>65408527They thought it would go the same as grabbing Crimea. We shouldn't overlook the times somewhat similar actions DID work out. Even if a plan is not very good, sometimes you just get away with it. Not exactly sound strategy but, yanno... hope springs eternal.>>65427839We hope it's that simple. Four months is a long time and there's always a catch. I'm sure telling China she's not allowed to do business with Iran will work swimmingly btw, not to mention Russia and who knows who else. This all hinges on countries doing what we say.
>>65443955>I'm sure telling China she's not allowed to do business with Iran will work swimmingly btw, not to mention Russia and who knows who else.For small volume products, it doesn't work. For something that has to be sold in large volumes and moved, unless they want to try and bang out a pipeline in a couple of months while hoping the US doesn't just drop a JDAM on it every once in a while when it crosses the Iranian border, it actually is that simple
>>65407877>Needing rice
>>65420666NPR, Axios, NBC, The Hill, etc. love to remind you that this'll never work, and Iran holds all the cards, Trump is sucking his thumb, and America is running out of everything while China laughs. You can taste the schadenfreude. And of course you have the extreme opposite from other outlets. Makes me wonder if the News was always this blatantly agenda driven or if I only just started noticing it in the post-teaparty/OWS era.
>>65444243There was always a slant, but Trump has an uncanny ability to produce visceral, irrational hatred in people, and they respond by going no-holds-barred because he's the antichrist, and anything you do to defeat the antichrist is objectively good and morally correct.I dunno why this is so, but it is.
>>65443955>This all hinges on countries doing what we say.Lmao
>>65444275>I dunno why this is so, but it is.It's because he's blatantly incompetent and corrupt. Bush jnr was a little corrupt, or his friends were but not on today's level and even his corrupt friends were more or less competent. Even he was smarter than he looked, just indecisive when put on the spot.
>>65444275>visceral, irrationalIt's not irrational.
>>65444275The reason middle class people become liberal apparatchiks is because they desperately want to be in power. Now with prior administrations there was this was no big deal, because the president had this calming man-of-the-people energy, like with Reagans fireside chats or Kennedys platitudes about world peace; but Trump is spiritually Arab and therefore extremely tacky with his power and wealth, so he's constantly rubbing it in their face with brazen displays of what they cant have, and the sheer envy makes them froth at the mouth.
>>65444275Getting elected on a promise to not start any new wars in the middle east and then starting a new war in the middle east might have something to do with it.
>>65444275>visceral, irrational hatredVisceral, rational hatred.
>>65444396>but Trump is spiritually ArabI dunno why people can't call a spade a spade.
>>65443955>Russia and who knows who else. This all hinges on countries doing what we say.When it's been a choice of Russia or American interests Trump has invariably chosen Russian, as far as he can while constrained by a barely functioning congress. Not sure why you think this would be different.
>>65444561It's less a matter of Trump doing what Russia wants, and more the opposite: Russia doing what Trump wants. Would you trust Russia to reciprocate Trump's friendly overtures and thus help the US economically isolate and subdue Iran over the next several months? I would not, personally.
>>65420566It's hilarious seeing these Russia-style cope takes from Americans.
>>65444572That's my point. Russia will chin Trump off and Trump will do nothing about it.
>>65444367Well, to be fair they DID plan and fund a massive subversion operation meant to put traitors into places of power and leave all important oblasts vulnerable (see Kherson). Except the pidors responsible decided to pocket most the money instead, as is tradition.
>>65444377You're right, it's deliberate action. Generating the maximum wholesale seething possible is the goal, not a byproduct. The corruption and devastation of the American state mechanisms is the byproduct.
>>65445487>Generating the maximum wholesale seething possible is the goalSeething viewers are engaged viewers and valuable to advertisers. Also to party campaign committees too obviously.
