Wtf is wrong with Americans
>>65408713thats pretty gorgeous
What wrong with making pretty gun?
>>65408713Do sentinels carry live rounds in their weapons?
>>65408715And you're tacky as hell.
>>65408723It's the gun they chose not what they did to it
>>65408713I think its funny how sig glazed the tomb guards so hard with their custom pistols for no reason but their general officer pistols are just regular ass 320s with GO before the serial number
>>65408713Is that lacquered? It does look nice>>65408729Oh please do explain why you think so anon. You wouldn't just be a contrarian for the sake of contrarianism like a 70 IQ ape, would you?
>>65408713the holster and magazine are just awful
>>65408713Retarded and ugly plastic gun for retarded and ugly plastic nation.
>>65408745This, the pistol itself looks fine for a ceremonial thing but those look like shit. Better than the airforce sword meme at least
>>65408713Looks like something the Kadyrov Chechen mob would carry. Tacky, obnoxious shit. Perfect for today’s America.
>>65408756Asspainish Foreign Legion could learn a thing from those chin straps.
>>65408771Wrong.If true, our tomb guards would be pacing back and forth dual-wielding gold-plated PKMs.
>>65408713This all stems from nobody calling them out on their dumb chrome aircraft
>ceremonial weapon... bad?
>>65408803It's just foreign elements attempting their normal D&C shit
>>65408713Looks like shit, should have been a 1911 as god intended
>>65408818Okay okay grandpa, yeah we know. Now please take your memantine.
>>65408803>>65408813>ceremonial weapon bad!Nobody's saying this, the tomb guard M17 is just ugly as hell. It looks like a concept art gun from a video game, and coupled with the absurdly long mag and the patent leather holster it just looks greasy and tacky. People actually like understated, tasteful ceremonial guns.
>>65408860actually its fucking awesome. go call his gun ugly to his face. you wont because you are a FUCKING BITCH
>>65408713Honestly not too bad, save for the stendo mag
>>65408756I read somewhere that this was a secret hazing ritual for shithead officers (the more your men hated your guts, the gaudier your sword would be) and I really want to believe it.
>>65408713Do they actually use these, or is it just a promotional thing by sig?
>>65409005They actually do carry them and it’s not really a promotional thing since they didn’t sell them. The 4 pistols they made feature grips made from salvaged wood from the USS Olympia.
>>65408713the mag really throws off the whole look.
>>65408715Gun is nice, the holster is shit
>>65408715>>65408743>>65408745>>65408754It's all shit. They should have nickel plated 1911s and Sam Browne belts
>>65408813Shut the fuck up, tourist. We have always hated that pistol. It looks like shit. Blondly agreeing with everything from "your side" and claiming anyone who critiques any of it is a shill is how you give youself away as a shill.
>>65408715My problem is that it has zero sharp lines at all. It looks like whatever custom shop that did these monstrosities just overpolished the shit out of them without any care to the existing lines on the gun. Like a bubba tier nickel plated piece of shit from the 1960s. Why couldn't the government hire some actually professionals to "purdy up" the guns, like Turnbull or something?
>>65409090>blondly
>>65409149>a spelling mistake negates the argumentI accept your womanly concession.
>>65408728why would they not?
>>65408728Not in the rifles, they're just for show. Kinda pathetic if you ask me. They also sand off the pistol grips so they can do the faggy twirls better
>>65409174Damn, the fags look like this now?
>>65408713Strikerslop is disrespectful, it should be a full stainless steel 1911
>>65409174>hey also sand off the pistol gripsthe M14 doesn't have a pistol grip
>>65408729the tomb sentries were already tacky as hell"tough guy" sunglasseslow quality poly blend uniformsexcessively glossy lacquered m14 stocksplasticy "patent leather" shoesthe gaudy SIG handguns just complete the look
>>65409214Okay "semi-pistol grip" look at the fukken picture
>>65409174I thought they still used those hyper-polished garandsthat thing is rancid looking
>>65408713A ceremonial handgun for the US Military should be from an American artisan.
>>65409226not what it's called, but I can see what you're talking about
>>65409215>gaudyI get the hateboner for sig but if you think polished black laquer and wood grips qualify as gaudy you haven't seen the kind of shit people with a lack of taste and a glut of money will do to firearms
>>65409238>not what its calledHoly noguns Have you ever read any book on gunsmithing? Its been called a (semi) pistol grip stock for over 100 yearsThats how you differentiate it from a straight stock
>>65409174At least paint it black or dark gray, ffs...It looks like someone recycled pieces from Tesla Truck body and slapped these onto a rifle...
>>65409249Most late m14s had birch stocks
>>65409242Like the other anon said >>65409091It looks too rounded off, like melted plasticPic rel actually looks good because it wasnt refinished by retards
>>65408903I think it’s awesome too. The Tomb Guards are one of the most elite and respected units and their mission is important. Giving them a weapon that reflects that is based. I wouldn’t be surprised if the handguns have live rounds. I know the M14’s don’t.
I don't get honor guard besides wasting money. The fags can't even play a horn.
>another thirdie meltieCurious nobody includes their own nations honor gaurd when bemoaning U.S. cultural dominance
>>65409298>eliteLike VDV elite. No need for actual performance and end results, just say the word "elite".
>i dont like the p320 so everyone has to stop using it!ok well despite your feeling the M18 works fine.
>>65408988You are not the only one to have heard this
>>65408713Ron Cohen is probably sucking off a number of American senators and generals underneath their desks.Gluk-gluk-gluk, all day long.>>65408715No, it's really quite ugly.>>65408723Nothing, inherently, and certainly not for ceremonial purposes like these, but the Sig Saar is just such a fucking ugly and low quality pistol, and they did not do a very good job prettying it up.If they were gonna do this with ANY Sig pistol, it should have been a classic P226. It was in service with the U.S Marines/SEALs, it'd qualify.>>65408756God, that sword looks so fucking tacky. If you're gonna make a ceremonial sword, why not take from the classic old American cavalry and naval sabers? Make one of those and pretty it up some. Pair it up with a gucci'd flintlock pistol or cap and ball revolver, also.
>>65408803Ceremonial weapons are perfectly fine, I just want them to be good. A good weapon that is then decorated well.Ever seen any of those old Tiffany Colts? They're well crafted, extravagant, and they SCREAM Murrica, this one is even a little gaudy, Trump himself would cry a single quiet tear in approval. Sig ostensibly makes 1911s, make them fucking cook up some extra nice ones and then get them dressed up in cool American motifs.
>>65408813Kill yourself. Preferably with one of the hideous Tomb Guard pistol so that it can go and sit in some evidence locker.>>65408903That's a cool ceremonial weapon though.>>65409174Yeuch. They should have just crafted a proper straight grip stock (like on an old Krag or early Springfield), just lopping off the normal curved grip like that gives uncanny valley vibes.
>>65409368Yeah the wrist is way too thinLooks like it would break quite easilyThe opposite i like though
>>65409155>They do, for protective purposeswould suffice, but keep being a snarky bitch about every question, I guess
>>65408713Why not carry a 1911 if your going for style, that thing is hideous and highlights just how ugly the p320 is.
>>65409214To be fair, in ye olde terms, that is considered a pistol grip.
>>65409829interesting. I've probably heard someone call it that before but then brushed it off as a fuddism, like calling a magazine a clip or something.
>>65408713This whole thing is so weird. The guards as if someone is coming to desecrate it, their waist size requirements, all the ceremony and aggressiveness involved. So weird.
>>65409174There is always that one guy. The dude who is just fucking miserable and cant enjoy things.
>>65409890It is ahit though. If the don't even have ammo for them why not 1903s?
>>65409090>weCan someone pick an appropriate frog from their frog folder for this? Thanks.
>>65409890There's always that one guy. The dude who just cannot accept people can hate things too
Honor guard is fucking gay. If they come to my funeral, I'm rigging my coffin with claymores.
>>65408713Actually one of the more tasteful presentation guns around, but the grip panel looks a little stumpy there
>>65408988>somewhereyeah here
>>65408713They try to force traditions and ceremonies, and that comes off as tacky. If the brits or any other euro nation that does ceremonial military preformance tried to institute theirs suddenly it would be tacky and woerd too, it works because it has always been done that way.
>>65408713Ceremonial weapons are one thing. What they've done in this case is more in the territory of 'Trying too hard', which is pretty common from the Americans because they don't tend to let traditions arise naturally, instead forcing something through and hoping that nobody thinks its stupid in a few decades. With this role, I would have issued old-school M1911s. Keep it tasteful and in line with the rifles, with no stupid sigshit.
>>65410907>instead forcing something through and hoping that nobody thinks its stupid in a few decadesIsn't that how most traditions start when you go back far enough?
>>65411074Most traditions were stuff that was done out of necessity for long enough that it became routine, and then continued even when it was no longer necessary because by then it had become tradition.
>>65408713Oh, yet another anti American thread on /k/, seething forign noguns just never shut up
>>65408860>tasteful ceremonial guns.I bet you have zero examples
The problem is multifaceted:>The m17/m18 and the entire p320 family of guns aren't good looking guns to begin with>Combine that with Sig's reputation, priming people to naturally dislike any p320>The black polish is simply way too shiny, giving the gun a gaudy, almost plastic look. It reminds me of something you'd find sitting near your bathroom sink>Theres so little contrast in the color that what little contrast there is (the wood grip panel) ends up highlighting how monotone and guady the high polish finish is>The glossy finish can look good sparingly, but ends up looking tacky if theres too much, like in this gun>Also, the irregular slide serrations look bad and borderline unusableI think the honer guard deserve something thats actually traditional and tasteful. We still have 1911s in device with certain special forces elements, so I see no reason why we couldn't get Colt to manufacture special 1911s for the honor guard.Oh, and to the anons claiming this is all cope and seethe from no-gun thirdies, I'm sorry but I'm an American and I own guns. I'll happily laugh at third world cope just like you, but I can recognize when something is clearly wrong, like this gun and the p320 in general.
>>65411187Also, to offer an alternative gun, I think something like the Colt Classic Royal Blue, but with actual tritium combat sights and MAYBE a rail. I think it would be far more tasteful while still being a function defensive weapon.
>>65409302>nolannolan meet donal
>>65408754t. irrelevant yuromutt rapebaby
>>65409302Damn. That is depressing.
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>>65408756>>65408788I don't know how, but those US fuckers manage to make the chinstraps look more retarded than the zest brigade.
>>65411343>those black jawlines>them white no necksAmerica
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>>65408713I know, it should be a Colt
>>65411193See, that's the sort of stuff they ought to be going for. It's just classy.
>>65409236Considering there is only 4 of them they could have Baer, Brown, Cabot and Wilson each make one. They probably wouldn't even need to pay. That is priceless advertising.
>>65408713Crazy how they yell at people to be quiet when their gun goes off inadvertently with every marching step.
>>65408713fucking hideousshould have just got them a blued 1911 in 9mm
Why do people join this ceremonial detailI get doing occasional parades on important events but do soldiers really join the military and go yep, I want to dress up and do drill here for the next few years.>someone has to do it and do it wellI guess but still
>>65413301I believe most countries with similar roles rotate people through, often there's deliberate symbolic value in the variety of units that contribute people towards it.
>>65411358You're just being swayed by your rabid hatred for the US
>>65413326Nah, he's right. This is one of those rare moments where if you are going to go retard; go full retard.
>>65408737They were gifted by SIG free of charge with the contract. Still doesn't have the presence of the 1911, though.>>65409174You're thinking of the Drill team, not Tomb, and they use Springfields >>65411343>>65413301Because they grab you first thing at inprocessing, fast talk you with a sales pitch, convince you that the paper says "I would like to know more", and bob's your uncle, you're a parade boy now.
>>65409174Shut the fuck up pog. The Guards do carry real rounds on ALL their rifles, including the ones used for D&C and the changing of the guard. They’re not lock and loaded but the magazines do have rounds. They’ve been doing this since their inception and partly why they’re more selective than 1-SFAS group. They just don’t parade around doing fancy shit, they’re also expected to be highly proficient infantrymen since they are in close proximity at all times to VIPs t. Former honor guard infantry zogbot with 700+ services
>>65411187300% correct.
>>65413345>They were gifted by SIG free of charge with the contractThey should have turned them down.
Original WWII era 1911 and M1 Garand. That's all that should be issued to honor guards.
>>65409298Guarding Tombs is not something a democratic country should do. That's a monarchist/commie/tinpot dictatorship thing. A democracy should be taking care of its living veterans.
>>65415102Goofy false dichotomy, those aren't mutually exclusive things, you could take care of living veterans while still venerating and commemorating the fallen ones in ceremonial fashion.You could axe these tomb guard shenanigans right now and it wouldn't make the VA any better at all, it's not those guys fault or this ceremony that veterans get fucked.
>>65408713 At least it is not this pos.
>>65408713Your great grandma gave my great grandpa syphilis when we liberated your country.
>>65413345Why do they sand off the pistol grips then
>>65415102>A democracyWe aren't a democracy, we're a constitutional republic.
>>65415353>>65415118its still monarchist/commie tier shit
>>65415459Monarchists and communists are also nationalistic, should Americans not be nationalists because of that?
>>65409079>nickel plated 1911sWe're talking military personnel, not 1920s mobsters.I'm with you on the sam browne belt though. I think I high lustre bluing is more than dignified
>>65409174They should be carrying fully operable, loaded, M1 Garands. Strength doesn't require theatrics
>>65409238Not him but dude just shut the fuck up when you don't actually know something. The pedantry you have is a crutch for not having any actual knowledge
>>65413587What magazine? I've never seen them with one
>>65415491They should carry M1918 BARs tbqh. Get ohio ordnance to make them a couple hundred nice blued ones. Definitely would filter out women and dyels
>>65411102They're still mad we can still talk about guns on here instead of just geopolitics and jets
>>65411102>>65415515What is the goal with posts like these?
>>65411374The white guys are all in a various step of movement, whereas the black gentleman is not.Stop trying to start fires you're not ready to put out, and be an adult. Thanks.
>>65415241>in GERRRRMONEY we don't need guns!
>>65415511It's not graceful and slim enough for that, in my opinion. I'm not going for HURRR BETAS GET REKT, I'm going after something that is the right scale, clean lines, but would still be fired in the unlikely event....so for me, that's the 1903, or the M1, favoring the M1.
>>65415522What's the goal in all the anti US threads? What's the goal in the needless constant whining about and disparaging the US? Why are you only after the ones fed up with it? Why are you OK with the US bashing?
>>65415549The M1 is probably the best choice, because it has the oldschool look and feel, is rugged, has a lot of combat history, and is actually a rather capable rifle for what it is. 8rds, fast reloads, great sights, and it takes a bayonet, which all ceremonial rifles should be able to.Hell, you could add in M7 Grenade Launchers and then launch celebratory fireworks with those at times.
>>65415564>the ceremonial weapons were better before and Sig is ugly and sucks>HECKIN AMERICA-BASHER!
>>65415576I personally don't consider this particular thread anti US, but there's plenty of commentary. Point still stands.>>65415573It also helps it's so recognizable too, it's clean, classy, and incredibly American. Perfect choice
>>65415573The M1 isnt graceful or slim either though11 pounds loaded and fat as fuck in the magazine and forend area
>>65415633They'll just have to drill harder and exclude the women.
>>65415102And the moment a Democrat gets into the Oval Office again you'll completely drop this "opinion" and aggressively deny you ever held it the moment the president starts talking about "respecting traditions" or some horseshit.
>>65415658Dude. Spoiler tag that shit, bitch.
>>65415564>LEAVE THE CARPETBAGGING CORPORATIONS ALONE
>>65408756Me at the back after consuming nothing but yogurt and energy drinks all day
>>65415658Also $3 will suddenly become the maximum acceptable cap for gasoline and beef will be too expensive even if it's less than the highs that Glorious Leader caused.
That shit is pretty tame compared to what other cultures do for ceremonial guns.
>>65409238It is what its called. Please just stop, you're at 80's California legislator gun knowledge tier, subsequently translated into the AWB and became common knowledge. Such niggery.
>>65415102Nah I'm thinkin guarding the tomb is a good idea.
>>65416034Wow, that's ACTUALLY worse than the shitty Tomb Guard Sigslop. Looks like they put a shiny layer of fake gold paint on a vacuum formed plastic toy.If that's Israel, don't they have fucking Galils and shit still in plentiful inventory? Get some of those, give them a nice deep blued finish, chromed bolt carrier, nice wood, and then a pretty and shiny ceremonial bayonet.
>>65416056lmfao, fucking hobos. But yes, I think it's nice to guard commemorative monuments so that stray crackheads don't do shit like that to them, it's unsightly.
>>65416059>If that's IsraelReally dude?Thai IIRC
>>65416056Based bum.
>>65415102>Guarding Tombs is not something a democratic country should do. That's a monarchist/commie/tinpot dictatorship thingshut the fuck up faggot
>>65418409Lol-bertarians, naive retarded children.
>>65415102Nigga, how much does the military spend on tomb guard shit? Like, it's probably a fucking rounding error.
>>65411187>P320>not good lookinganon its the most normal looking pistol of all time. to say its ugly is to admit you just hate sig because sig.
>>65418474Hi, Ron.
>>65418474>hate sig because sigPerfectly permissible
>>65418474
>>65408713Really should be a 1911. They use M14s as the drill rifle might as well put the side arm of the ear with them.
>>65408715for an american
>>65415102Why do they guard tombs? And how bad would it be if whatever is in the tomb broke out?
>>65409829Thank you. Learnt something new today
>>65411358Don't wear a chinstrap if you don't have a chin I guess.Say what you will about the gay ass zest bois, but at least they are comitted.
Does the unknown soldier drunk coke or Pepsi?
>>65408713>no other culture has ever made ceremonial weapons
>>65421169Not the point, brainlet.
>>65415102>not bothFaggot.
>>65408860I oncce red an article about the background of the gun, there is a hilarious amount of forced, try-hard "symbolism" that went into its design. In typical American fashion it was obviousyl though "the more symbolism the better", like the wooden grip scales that are made out of the wood of some ancient US warship from the age of sail or some presidents desk or some such shit, I have forgotten which.
>>65411358>>65408788Don't bongs wear straps like that on bearskins so it doesn't fuck you up if it falls?It doesn't make much sense on a hat like that though
>>65408713They hate U.S. because they ain't U.S.Honestly, I'd be pretty upset too.
>>65408803Cool gat. Too bad some jew took a massive shit on it.
>>65421270Just old sunken warship wood for grip panels by itself would be ok tryharding if it went onto a cool 1911 pistol, instead of Sigslop.
>>65421700It's shitty handgun and unbecoming of the memorial it's supposed to represent and the respect it commands. They should've been issued with engraved Berettas.
Anyone notice the odd anti-americano shilling right after the NFA ruling was not challenged?
>>65422319What'd I miss on the NFA?
>>65422319All I want is for the American ceremonial weapons to be cool and American, not ugly foreign glossed up plastic.
>>65421270>some ancient US warship from the age of sail or some presidents desk or some such shit, I have forgotten which.Say her name with respect, you fucking tourist. Even if this is an egregious waste of wood from her.>>65415102>>65418409There's a huge difference between a tomb guard for random dead dictator #3 and 5 (embalmed and ready for viewing by the proles) and picking one lost, unknown Anon from three different wars and according each of them the greatest honors a country can give as a symbol of our respect for everyone else who died alone and Anon.
>>65408988I think it's about how useless your career was.Not that the person was bad but "somehow wrench operator got to command level". So they give like extra "display" to echo how his resume kept getting chromed.
>>65409020Yes or no, can or has anyone be or been shot by one?
>>65409174the twirling takes a ton of practice to get the timing right in parade it's not faggy, it takes fucking YEARS on parade drill.
>>65409829poignée-pistolet you piece of shit
>>65423894Its technically impressive, but it doesnt demand any more respect than simply holding the gun at port armsIts pure frivolity
>>65423940It's not useless, it's as much a function of diplomacy and national security as an 11b.
>>65415102You manage to have the worst take in a thread full of bad takes.
>>65423940it's rooted in exercises meant to train soldiers to hold on to their rifle in awkward positions or during fast movement, the modern version is more of a performance but it has a practical origin
>>65408771>double linebreak immediately after a post tagTacky, obnoxious shit.
>>65423940>Its pure frivolityyes it is, but never underestimate the psychological impact of a little military pomp - on the men, on the enemy, on the citizenry and potential recruitsthere's nothing wrong with being proud, and showing off a little, because the implication is that you have something to be proud of and show offlook at Britain - we're constantly grounded in our glorious history by all of the little rituals and ceremonies it produced, and to lose them would be to lose a part of who we are as a race of people
>>65408728No they shoot paintballs
>>65416034Why the fuck do they always go for the all-gold treatment? Give the furniture a nice black and the gold really pops.
>>65416034The gilding on those rifles looks like that on a cheap robot toy that I got on a family vacation when I was like, 6 years old.>>65428547The Tavor doesn't really lend itself to this at all, being a plastic bodied bullpup. Gilding (or chroming) plastic will simply never ever look good, because it will never not look like plastic.Maybe if you fashioned a replacement body made out of sheet metal or something, which you could then chrome plate for royalty bling reasons, then it could look less absurd.
>>65411193or at least a fancy m9
>>65408715If had a flush magazine instead of that Tapco-looking stendo shit it'd be fine
>>65422303>They should've been issued with engraved Berettas.This but 1911s
>>65415939kek
>>65408740Tourists will visit and see the tomb guard guns. Lots of publicity. Who gives a fuck about modern officers.
>>65428547Middle Eastern people are the most tacky/gaudy people on the planet, that's why. The concept of modesty is totally alien to them
>>65409302Kek I was doing a funeral in the blazing Georgia heat and the sun cooked the battery on my fake bugle and it didn't play. After re clicking the play button while holding the bugle to my lips, everyone watching me, I eventually put the bugle back down (ceremoniously) and just saluted LMAO it was the most embarrassing moment of my life, but in hindsight it's pretty funny. It was a black guys funeral so it's not a huge deal
>>65409153different anon but it’s not the spelling mistake that makes me kek, it’s the implication I would be turning blonde as I am agreeing to whatever bullshit notion
>>65409249O B S E S S E D
>>65431331>It was a black guys funeral so it's not a huge dealKek'd very heartily
