Attention, /k/. I am Star Colonel Nikolai Malthus of the Jade Falcon Clan. A full Trinary stands ready to conquer your board.What forces dare oppose us?
This is the Yotsubas, hundreds of boards colonized by trolls. Once it was united under moot, but for the past decade it has been consumed by savage shitposting. Until a new enemy appeared.Mysterious invaders known as, the Election Tourists. Powerful and ruthless they struck like lightening attacking every thread at once. But they made one big mistake, they attacked MY home board!Now in the spirit of moot, ancient enemies have reunited, and we're going to take back our website!
>>65412482All your board are belong to us.
>>65412396>Full Trinary>15 Omimechs>Has played BT before most of /k/ was born>Remembers how the conventional Armor and Infantry costs and rules work, even with the ClansBring it mother fuckers, the 105th Armored Division is waiting for you.
>>65412396But do you dare refuse HIS batchall?https://youtu.be/BkBAUpFPFIQ
I ascended to a high position within my clan not through any particular skill in battle, but through my discovery at an early age of how sensitive the testicles of my sibkin were to being squeezed in the Circle of Equals
https://youtu.be/KpCLz9s6DhY
>>65412396YOU WILL ALL EAT THE BROWNIES OR BE SACRIFICED TO CUBE
>>65412829fugg/K/UBE!
>>65412396A full company of twinks want to lay claim to your Butte Hold! How about that mister Falcon man?
>>65412778Man, that sucked compared to the good old mechwarrior 2 intro. The actual interesting part just looks like re-used ingame assets. Also, I am tired of black women.
>>65412396brownstar nikolai malthus of frens green bird I bid military autism and functional logistics
>>65412841He really was /ourguy/Bummer. I hate bongs.
>>65412840I like how Focht just drops a masterclass in trolling on the Clans. Also Weaver gets a fucking Arrow IV right to the fucking face because she ignores the little guy with the NARC beacons.
>>65412396>What forces dare oppose us?I bid one porch.
>>65412840Le fatigue
>>65412889Can't have shit in Detroit.
>>65412396Fuck off, snot pidgeon.>>65412840>Also, I am tired of black women.Sarah Weaver is a character straight from the OG Clan invasion sourcebooks from 30 years ago. What were they supposed to do, make her suddenly not a black woman?
Just how demilitarized is "Battle"tech that a Trinary (15 robots + elemental support IIRC) is a world-threatening force? Hundreds of thousands have fought over single cities IRL.
>>65412899A single 'Mech is an entire invasion force in and of themselves if you use it right. With an all-energy loadout you can effectively fight for months without resupply, and defeat anything but a wholly overwhelming conventional force without any damage within minutes. Also note that said Jade Falcon Trinary is made up of Clan Omnimechs piloted by genetically-engineered Trueborn supersoldiers, which generally eviscerate dozens of regular 'Mechs driven by normal humans, all at once. When you realize a regular 'Mech can technically take on an entire planet and win by itself because of in-universe writer fiat, then make a weapon that turns armies of 'Mechs into the ants being stepped on, well.
>>65412899Reminder that Clan tech is significantly more advanced than Inner Sphere tech (discounting Lostech but unless you're Comstar you're not fielding that shit in meaningful numbers)Also reminder that they came down with heavy mechs and aerospace fighters against mainly mediums
>>65412899It's underpopulated and there's a huge quality>quantity paradigm. Most planets outside the big capitals have populations around the single-digit millions at most, and military hardware that's actually worth jack shit tends to be pretty fucking expensive. IIRC 3025 C-Bill:late 90's US Dollar is like a ~1:10 exchange ratio. Mech pricetags are more comparable with modern-day fighter jets than AFVs, and BT combat vees aren't that much cheaper than similar-sized Mechs.
>>65412921Addendum: Also the Clanners absolutely did not have the manpower for proper occupations and most of them very quickly figured that out. Their standard "model" became to basically just smash flat the local military, put a garrisson into a small, isolated compound, send down a coupel civilian caste to assess the local economy and then tell the locals that they could do whatever the fuck so long as they kept paying their new taxes on time and didn't cause a ruckus. In quite a few cases the new taxes weren't even as high as what the old management had demanded, too.
>>65412396https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DX6nijpPmY
>>65412841What a stupid brat. Monty really dodged a bullet with her.
>>65412931>>65412921>>65412912>>65412899The BT universe is skewed to make the table top game work. They have arbitrary rules like not using Space Combat despite having ships that would not be out of place in a 40K system defense fleet and somehow 15 Mechs or even a few dozen Elementals (discount Space Marines but worse in every way) occupying a planet of hundreds of millions. Don't try to apply logic, logistic or physics to BT, it is somehow worse when it comes to realism than 40k.
>>65412951>They have arbitrary rules like not using Space Combat No? Not at all?
>>65412896It is kind of funny how the Clan that is considered the most hyper aggressive and idiotic is the one with the most known black people.>>65412899Battletech had it so that decades prior they were attacking worlds with hundreds of regiments with numbers that way more sense. The writers then seem to get dropped on their head when it comes to the Clans. Granted a lot of worlds they are initially invading have got populations barely in the five digits but when they start attacking regional capitals well a lot of those planets have more people several times in magnitude higher than their all the Clans put together. Even with advanced tech I just don't buy Clans are invading worlds like that with the forces they have at their disposal.
>>65412965>Battletech had it so that decades prior they were attacking worlds with hundreds of regiments with numbers that way more sense.early BT was a lot smaller on the size of militaries than it came out to be, so it wasn't so crazy at the time.
>>65412951>They have arbitrary rules like not using Space CombatThe IS doesn't do Space combat because they have fuck all for space combat beyond aerospace fighters and combat Leopards if they're feeling spicy, the Clans were using their warships right up until Smoked Jaguars did a whoopsie nukesy on civilian populations
>>65412956It is like dune but without the excuses. They just don't do any form of space combat besides orbital drops at all.There is no such thing as space combat, planetary defenses or even system monitors in BT. For all intents they have no space faring capability at all besides dropships. The BT universe makes less sense than 40k or even Dune, even basic shit like satellites don't really exist in BT. In the BT universe OP's force would be destroyed within a day by a WW2 armored division, it might last 48 hours if it was lucky in WW1.>>65412965It simply makes no sense. It makes less sense than Rifts did which basically ended when a huge number of guys who ended up IRL in the military started playing Coalition campaigns and pointed out 'hey the CS are going to slaughter all these dudes and here is how they will do it' due to the ridiculous things the CS can do in Rifts**Mega damage and combined arms: don't do it.
>>65412985>There is no such thing as space combaexists in rules and they're doing another aerotech rulebook allegedly>planetary defensesorbital defenses do exist, yes.>or even system monitorsdropship and small craft system monitors do.>even basic shit like satellites don't really exist in BT.you are horrendously wrong.i will say that space combat is mostly dropships and aerospace fighters and is often focused just around getting into atmosphere but the idea that it doesn't happen is just false. warship on warship combat doesn't happen outside of big kerfuffle's, yes, that's correct, and there are worlds with no space defense other than aerospace fighters (if they even have aerospace fighters), but I'm genuinely unsure what makes you think they don't exist?>>65412899somerset is not highly populated and feudalism means that some planets really do just flat out flip over to the new guys because they beat the old chief poobhah in a duel.
>>65412951>Norktard>actual voice of reasonthe Day Of Judgement truly is near
>>65412981They deliberately omitted counting anything other than mech line regiments and there are meant to be fuckton of militia, tank and infantry regiments around whenever the writers feel like remembering those should exist. Even still forces are quite small for what the should be. Rasalhague had just over 200 regiments granted that faction was supposed to have a tiny ass military for its size. If scale that up to other factions you are still talking very small militaries for their respective territory and population.
>>65412951>Elementals (discount Space Marines but worse in every way)You take that back. Space Marines don't even have any weapons other than a lascannon that could reasonably hit a jumpjet equipped elemental.
>>65412985There used to be a lot of space combat in BT, but thanks to the Amaris Civil War, Exodus, and Succession Wars annihilating all the knowhow and infrastructure needed to create combat-capable ships the IS ended up being like >>65412982, and the Clans forgot most of what they knew about space combat because MUH HONOR BATCHALL. I mean the Amaris Civil War was massive space battles left and right, as was shit like the Jihad. IIRC there's sourcebooks on those that include advanced space combat rules. Problem is you NEVER see this on the tabletop or in vidya because BT revolves around selling little 'Mech models and everything else is subordinated to keeping that gravy train running. It's like 40k.
>>65412985>They just don't do any form of space combatThey absolutely do, though. Why do you think repeating your false claim will somehow make it not false?>There is no such thing as space combat, Flatly incorrect. What do you think WarShips, combat DropShips, ASF etc. are for, exactly?>planetary defensesFlatly incorrect. SDS may be rare, btu it absolutely exists.>or even system monitorsThat's what a Pocket WarShip effectively is, only it can piggyback on JumpShips to not be stuck in a singular system forever.>For all intents they have no space faring capability at all besides dropships. You mean besides ASF, small craft, Jump Ships, WarShips and various satellties and space stations.>In the BT universe OP's force would be destroyed within a day by a WW2 armored divisionA fucking Mech company would literally one-sidedly overrun and slaughter any WWII armored division. Said division has literally NOTHING that can effectively stop or even just do meaningful damage to a Mech formation in practice, so the only thing they could do is waste a lot of time and lives and probably some ammo if the Mechs don't just go energy-weapons only in response to getting to mow through completely ineffective opposittion. There's rules for modern-day tank guns in BT. They do exactly ZERO damage against anything using IS-standard armor.
>>65413003>>actual voice of reason>wrong by the second point yeah nah we still got a couple more years, no SWTF for you yet
>>65413016>second point>arbitrary rules of not using space combatwhat are the Ares Conventions, Trial combat, safcon?>SWTF?
>>65413009Space combat never stopepd fully. Full-scale WarShips went extinct for a while and remain rare because they're extremely fucking expensive, but literally nobody ever stopped having fights in space and building aeroSPACE fighters, combat DropShips (including assault DropShips, which are literally 100% dedicated space combat plattforms) and assorted things.
>>65412396 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpCtbM741tg
>>65413009>Problem is you NEVER see this on the tabletop or in vidya becauseNo one cares about anything except the 3rd succession war and clan invasion
>>65413019>Ares ConventionsDead since the Reunification War. And also vompletely irrelevant to space combat. Fun fact, even the Ares Conventions stipulations regarding WMDs explicitly on apply on strictly civilian targets and/or within 75,000km of an inhabited planet. Tossing nukes at enemy ships in space is entirely okay under them.>Trial combatSomething Clanners do. Something that in fact at times takes place in space, between various types of spacecraft.>safconA wholly optional custom that is entirely left up to the defender to grant or not to grant.
>>65413039>Dead since the Reunification WarNope. They stopped following it by the letter after the succession wars but it still heavily influences military thought and morals into the ilClan era. Zero enforcement mechanisms, but culturally it is still present.
>>65413039>vompletely irrelevant to space combat>75,000km of an inhabited planetTIL the Kármán line extends 75,000 km from a planet>Something Clanners doand thus particularly apposite to this thread>Something that in fact at times takes place in spaceand it influences all the other times it does not, which is my point>A wholly optional customthus, an>arbitrary rule of not using space combat
>>65412896It hasn't escaped notice that BattleTech is a setting in which the dominant cultures are almost exclusively European or East Asian. In fact, there hasn't been any other universe with such comprehensive POC erasure since David Wingrove's Chung Kuo series where every human not of Western or Chinese descent has been exterminated
>>65413162>comprehensive POC erasure>literal afro samurai before it was cool or woke
>>65412778Part of me is kinda impressed by Sarah Weaver. This woman decided that her first, last and only solution to every problem in life would be to frontally headbutt her way through, and she fucking made it all the way to saKhan staying true to that decision.Not the smartest choice when the problem is an Arrow IV, though...>>65413162The Successor States are all multi-ethnic, and multicultural as hell below their respective federal levels though, except for the Draconis Combine going full Shogunate/Imperial Japan LARP. Remidner that pic relevant was arguably the living platonic ideal of a Combine samurai.
>>65413162>with such comprehensive POC erasureOdd thing to say when the POV characters of the novels are African, Asian, Mystery Mix Slav or Latino.But sure, it's an anti-ethnonationalist, anti-racial melting-pot setting in the tradition of Star Trek.
>>65412489Retards will blame glowies.Oldfags will know it was /pol/niggers.
>>65413082>TIL the Kármán line extends 75,000 km from a planetOkay, and? It's an arbitrary figure. And, again, that's literally for tossing around>>65413187 WMDs only. The Ares Conventions literally never said a single word about rolling in anything from a couple aerospace fighters to a bloody million-ton WarShip and using it to fuck up other spacecraft right in low orbit.>and thus particularly apposite to this threadYet entirely irrelevant to the actual point being discussed.>and it influences all the other times it does not, which is my pointNo, no it does not? At all?>arbitrary rule of not using space combatExcept it's not actually a rule at all. Again, literally a VOLUNTARY custom. There is no punishment for not going along with it, no enforcing authority, nothing.
>>65413187Durr, forgot pic.
>>65413187>except for the Draconis Combine going full Shogunate/Imperial Japan LARP.To a limited degree. They do a lot of internal colonization/population displacement projects, but they seem to do those based on political and economic considerations rather than on the idea of increasing the percentage of Asian-descended people in their realm. Within the Combine, Nordics, Slavs and Irish still exist as distinct population and seemingly maintain their ethnic/criminal ties of loyalty across the stars.The majority of succ states don't strongly care about what happens below the level of the interstellar ruling class, which is the one being forced to and rated on how well their cosplay performance aligns with official lore standards.Never mind that only the Capellans eventually got around to no longer subscribing to the idea that humanity forms one unified political body.
>>65413196>There is no punishment for not going along with ittry informing the enemy you're granting safcon and then opening fire anyway>no enforcing authorityGrand Council>It's an arbitrary figuredo you realise that whether you're arguing the Ares Convention figure is arbitrary, or the Karman line is arbitrary, you've still conceded that it's arbitrary and therefore Norktard's comment stands and therefore your objection does not?>And, again, that's literally for tossing around> WMDs onlyit's an arbitrary rule regardless of the specific terms i.e. what weapon it covers and what rules it hasleaving the Ares Conventions aside, there's also the famous "no targeting Jumpships or recharge stations or HPGs" code during the 3rd and 4th Succession Wars period
>>65413192
>>65413211NTA, but you're doing a really shitty job of distinguishing Clan rules, Inner Sphere norms, and tabletop conventions.So, for >>65413196's sake:>Clan rulesA lot of batshit courtesy of an insane founder, but at its core a fanatic desire to reduce casualties and collateral damage owing to the very resource-strapped nature of their origins. Held together by an honor system and the absolutely awful things that happen to everyone when it breaks down. In a Clan-on-Clan scenario, you might have to fight a fighter duel to earn the right to land troops and fight a 'Mech duel.>IS normsDegraded so heavily in the few hundred years leading up to the clans that anything capable of real-ass orbital bombardment was either cinders or far to valuable to risk on the low-grade fuck-fuck games they were playing late in that era. Space combat was largely reduced to landing denial or ambushing JumpShips at the edge of the system as they came out of hyperspace. In the post-Invasion recovery, full-ass fleet battles have become increasingly common again.>TT ConventionsYou can absolutely play all this shit out, but it will take you real-world weeks, so most people just say "fuck it" and slam 4 'Mechs on the table.>>65413211>no targeting JumpshipsBecause JumpShips are incredibly rare and valuable, and you're way better off either demanding its surrender or boarding it instead of blowing it out of the void.>or HPGsBecause the phone company owns those, and they will cut your landline if you do.
do people still play megamek or mwo?
>>65413231MWO still has a few hundred at any given time. MegaMek is the preferred way for the average player without a truly dedicated play group to experience the higher end of the rules spectrum.
>>65413211>there's also the famous "no targeting Jumpships or recharge stations or HPGs"NTA but are you seriously saying that not targeting the most vital piece of infrastructure(s) to the entire fucking intersphere to be arbitrary?
>>65413038And FedCom Civil War.
>>65412899Battletech truth nuke: it's probably one of the best sci fi universes to live in, 1st and 2nd succession war aside.>technology isn't there for cyberpunk horrors, like being uploaded into the torment nexus to live 1000 years in 5 seconds>no genocidal aliens or gods showing up to glass or scatter your planets >most planets are earth-like with sub-billion populations where you can live a comfy 20th century townie life but with superior healthcare >war is bottlenecked by logistics and feudal culture, which means conflict probably wont effect your life EVEN if it comes to your planet>even if local culture bothers you, the hyperpulse relays mean you still get some cultural exchange from the rest of the galaxy
>>65413312Yeah but there is a chance to one day wake up as a Davion and that is a fate worse than death!
>>65413312Your last point made me realise that 56k was the optimum speed for cultural exchange.
>>65413235ok nice. I used to play those dynamic megamek campaigns about 15 years ago. I expected it to have died out completely
>>65413211>code during the 3rd and 4th Succession Wars periodstill sort've a thing in later eras but not as hard >>65413312>>most planets are earth-like with sub-billion populations where you can live a comfy eh, most? there's lots of marginal worlds and some that are actively posion, plus some that have radiation probles from the succ wars and whatnot.i agree it's better than a lot of settings, even with the deathwars, but that point specifically is embellished somewhat.
>>65412396I bid clan ghost bear against you. have fun.
>>65413162The best part of battletech is that you can just take a black guy, put him in a uniform that looks straight out of sharpe and say he's a general in the free worlds league, or chuck an asian dude into a suit of plate armor, have him speak with a posh british accent and call him a Davion. Battletech does/did/could do diversity in the best way possible, but not diluting it into a weird ass, melting pot muddled bullshit we see in the real world, but a jovial celebration of an exaggerated aspect of those cultures. Yes, I do want my Samurai black and afro'd and yes, I do want my Rasalhague viking swedish speakers to very clearly be arabic, because it's so much funnier that way. So long as you stay the fuck out of the concordat of course, we're full.
>>65413339It's been overhauled extensively, but it's still doing its thing. I don't see as much posting about /mycampaign/ over on /btg/ these days, though, so it could be on the downturn.
>>65413038The struggle between the Inner Sphere houses has no episodes that can compare with the highs and lows of Tukayyid, Operation Bulldog/Serpent, "You dare refuse my batchall?", Leo Showers getting Shiloned, the Victor Steiner-Davion/Kai Allard-Liao gay romance, or Luthien, Twycross or Wolcott, except possibly the scene of Maximilian Liao and the wedding plates or the Steiner-Davion incest civil war. You need to go back to the Amaris coup and the SLDF exodus to find a similarly epic period with characters and incidents worthy of the era
>>65413312>most planets are earth-like with sub-billion populations where you can live a comfy 20th century townie life but with superior healthcareWhat seems to be the case is that your regular planet is a good bit colder and dryer than Earth and water scarcity is the norm. If you end up on a Earth-like water world, you gotta deal with allergies and local wild life either avoiding you because you're completely outside of their frame of reference or having zero respect for you. Even if eating you kills them due to biochemical incompatibilities, plenty of them will still give it a shot. So continent-wide anti-predator drive hunts will be regular events of your life, meaning your nice townie life is likely only on par with the libertarian town that got wrecked by bears.Planetary economic growth is slow, capital is expensive and the interstellar economy is largely monopolized by the armed merchants that went on to form the ruling Houses. It's really hard to get off the treadmill and make progress, unless you voluntarily join up with the weirdo cosplayers from outer space, that is. At the ground level, BT is a somewhat more liberal Crest of Stars, really, but with people randomly being forced to participate in re-enactments of Mazinger Z.
>>65412482I like to imagine that during his imprisonment on Tharkad, Adam Steiner arranged .... for Nicolai Malthus to be bummed in prison
>>65413386There's a faggot that mass reports battlereps across all threads on /tg/ which has put people off posting them cause it takes only one retard jannie not paying attention to delete it all.
>>65413425>jannies>on /tg/Don't make me laugh.
>>65413312One thing I do like about the Battletech setting is how women's rights have greatly regressed, mostly in the Draconis Combine but also on a lot of the semi-industrial feudal shithole planets in places like the FedSuns that are back to 20th century or earlier levels of tech
>>65413386sorry I tried to mean multiplayer. Never figured out the single player campaigns. I see MekWars is still running. Ill see if anyone is on once Im home
>>65413331Yeah I wouldn't want Capellan "people" to have high speed access to my intranet
>>65413421He spent all his time trying to show who was boss of the prison gym.
>>65413434Capella delenda est.
>>65412994>>65413009>>65413015I'll just avoid any arguments about BT by saying my info is from the late 1980s and/or early 1990s and may be out of date but technically correct.
>>65413497lollmao
>>65413497Sats do exist, and orbital lift is hella cheap in BT. It's just that wrecking your satellites in passing is a regular part of any hostile landing attempt.The whole economy surrounding orbiting debris and satellites is yet another sector of BT's economy that remains more or less a terra nullius.
>>65413497considering this information is from that time period im just gonna call bulllshit on that
>>65412396Oh we have plenty of forces but all we're bidding is a little girl with an SMG. You're welcome to bid a Battlemech or two but what will the other clans think if you need over a hundred tons of firepower to beat a little girl than barely weighs a hundred pounds?
>>65413431How else would a species achieve a population of >1 trillion?
>>65413579Free child care.
>>65413608With robots?
>>65413579Socializing the cost of it seems to work on any other human endeavor.I mean it worked for snakes.
>>65413574>Your opponent turns out to be Ghost Bear
>>65413229>distinguishing Clan rules, Inner Sphere norms, and tabletop conventionsand you're taking Watsonian lore at face value completely unquestioningly instead of asking what are the Doylist reasons that lore was decided upon>>65413239from a Doylist perspective? yesor rather, "yes, it's arbitrary because the decision deliberately shapes the universe in the direction the tabletop game needs it to be"firstly, remember this is a fictional universe, unlike the real world where real physical limitations applywe attach real world explanations to the universe but they are ex post facto reasoningsecondly, if you still don't believe then go ahead and tell me you're an unironic believer in Devlin Stone's disarmament and it had nothing to do with Clix at all, because that's the lore>>65413343>still sort've a thing in later eras but not as hardnot the point
>>65413662Oh did I mentions she's a combat mage? Well she's a combat mage. Flying, shields, enchanted bullets that explode like light artillery shells, etc. https://youtu.be/g1hIT71Elu8?si=mINeJBEXbMHX7--N
>>65413312Which is funny considering it was originally conceived as a mirror universe of sorts to Macross where all the themes of culture and communication have been twisted into further enabling giant robot fights.
>>65413673That won't stop her receiving headpats and being made to wear a dress from a muscular elemental woman.
>>65413662so what the going rate for being adopted as a free birth to a elemental dommy mommy?I've got a companies worth of hetzers in my back yard if you'd take them as payment
>>65413691I don't think people largely would've known much about that. Robotech was brand new and cut most of that out.It's also more of a mirror universe of dougram, as in it's pretty much exactly the same as dougram.
>>65413830It's Dougram with more planets and zero Socioeconomics.
>>65413705Ironically, Tanya is exactly the kind of high functioning psychopath that the Clans want but could never produce. Meanwhile, Tanya would Hate the clans for being superstitious and irrational.
>>65412540Laughs in motive crits Okay, surat. What is your next dezgra trick?
Oh good, the modified tokay geckos just escaped. "Yeah, this is a wildlife research and restoration center.,"
>>65413006plasma
>>65413705>a dress from a muscular elemental woman.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omrDeHliIQc
>>65412396ling ling
>>65412396I bid 500 Savannah Masters.
>>65412889>Coleman used embezzlement!>It's super effective!
>>65413608Considering this has never been demonstrated to work why do you think that?
>>65412899Not very. 1. Populations on most planets haven't really recovered from the holocaust that was the 1st secession war aka "The thought of resistance will be met with sustained use of strategic weapons" war.2. The industrial base likewise has not recovered so most local garrisons are centralized at a world's capital and a small fleet of hetzers, Quick Cell's cheapest rolling coffin, and a battalion of motorized infantry are the best they can sustain maybe a lance or two of mechs on a rich world. 3. Clans developed a culture that would attempt to preserve the precious few resources they fled the inner sphere with. Instead of the classic great house repose of judicious deployment of nuclear weapons on any sign of resistance they would stage a proxy fight with limited numbers (The fewer you bid the more capable and thus honorable you appear) to spare massive collateral damage and loss of life. The inner sphere did not respect this Bidding a Trinary is more like challenging a local force to a duel then an actual invasion force.
>>65414093He didn't mean it in the Republican sense of nobody getting paid for child care and the money not spent on it being transferred to the rich, I imagine.
>>65412396>You lack sufficient plot armor to deal with me.
>>65414099Reminder that each giant robot has a non trivial chance to be mission killed by a burst of rifle fire
>>65414104Ah, so you're saying there has been a case when free child care made a statistically significant change in fertility?
>>65413162There was the Hindu collective, but as pacifists they didn't survive amaris nor the succession wars
>>65413662>Challenges the 7 foot tall walking tanks to a game of football
>>65412396I bid roughly two battalions worth of robotic light infantry modeled after girls aged 15-30. Please be aware they are dorks and their commander has promised them both headpats and cake upon a successful return.
>>65414104no doubt the Democrat sense of funding Somali Learing Centres and transsexual storytime somehow makes more sense to you
>>65414135It was either that or not paying Elon for an attack on national IT security.
>>65413231Yeah, but MWO is kinda shitty right now due to the ongoing Comp tourney meaning QP is full of coordinated teams that turn 95% of matches into stomps.
>>65413399How do you go forward with the BT setting and make anything worth giving a fuck about?
>>65414263Not with the IlKhan era, that's for sure.
>>65414333>>65414263Someone wakes up right before Jihad era, everything after fedcom civil war was a fever dream, redo Jihad and go from there with no obligation or desire to replicate the first pass
>>65414263Realistically, we don't; it's a dead game formatBut if you really want?Do a spinoff, Gundam styleWrite a whole new storyline in a whole new universe that nonetheless follows the same stepsMake a whole new ruleset that abides by the spirit of the original, but is easier and less jankyCommission fifty novels and sourcebooks from decent writers about real people and real problems in the universe, to give it body and loreAnd throughout all this be proudly unwoke
>>65414417>And throughout all this be proudly unwokeWe are talking about the setting that has three policies that are mandatorily heterosexual by law.
>>65414417>Write a whole new storyline in a whole new universe that nonetheless follows the same stepsThey did that already
>>65414263You can start with spanking the CapCon’s asses until the horseshoe falls out
>>65414105Joke's o n you, I know identify as an autistic MtF who was raped in their Catholic school and high school wrestling days, and is now attracted to black men, I cannot be killed off in the (((American))) version!
>>65414727Forgot, my autism makes me physically asexual.
>>65414429>three policies that are mandatorily heterosexual by law.What?>>65414439But not all the other stuff I wrote>>65414681>horseshoeWhat?
>>65412396I'M SEN DOG AND I'LL BET YOUR LIFE AND MY GLOCK .45 AUTOMATIC TAKING YOUR ASS TO AN UNMARKED GRAVE ACROSS THE MEXICAN BORDER, GALLO FINO. NOBODY, SPESSLY NO WHITE BOY THINKING HE GANGSTER LIKE BLOOD IN BLOOD OUT, GONNA TAKE MY BLOCK.
>>65413497dropships and jumpships had orbital defense facilities, you mong. not many, but they existed.
>>65413955And volkite, and missiles, and krak grenades which according to Darktide are magnetic so all you need to do is get it close. Which seeing as it's a grenade is what you're going to be trained to do with it.
>>65414439It's fucked up because nu-battletech but with bio-horrors is a great idea. They just decided to do "gothic" as well, which instantly soured its reputation as a blatant 40k bootleg. And then they decided to not bother make a custom system for making your own monsters, only bespoke ones they provide. Utterly fumbled.
>>65414263Zombie stefan amarris stages another coup and carves out a second terran hegemony, with blackjack and hookers. Everyone else teams up to fight him again. periphery soldiers fight as mercs a lot.
>>65414347Could have an ancient killcode in Clan genetics (put there by Kerensky himself) so that a wacky random Blakist remnant HPG signal causes all Clanners to spontaneously combust across the entire BT universe, also wrecking all of their sibko tech and rendering the Clans all dead instantly. I mean, it can't be any crazier than Grey Monday.
>one shots your mechnothing personnel kid
>>65413209I didn't mean in the ethnic/racial sense, but in the sense of centrally enforcing state-mandated cultural norms all the way down to a much stricter degree than the other Successor States.
>>65415596See pic related.>>65416106>Nothing but infernos*laughs in DHS*
>>65414743The Kuritas and the Canopians socially and/or legally maintain heterosexual gender differences. The Clans don't do gender as a legal concept, but they do force people to procreate and maintain death games with the winning ticket being... having an infinite number of kids. It's very heterosexual.The rest of the IS is just naturally hetero as fuck and most women in stable long-term relationships seem to aim for two to three kids, with men having anywhere from three to six.BT sits easily among the most unabashedly heterosexual Scifi universes.
>>65416106what do Battlefists do? have they managed to implement melee?>still dreaming of my 3S Axman>>65416161>Kuritas and the Canopians socially and/or legally maintain heterosexual gender differencesdidn't know thatbut wait, isn't Canopus the Thailand sex tourism capital of Battletech?
>>65413312Battletech is the best sci fi universe to live in. Except for Reunification Wars, Amaris Civil War, Exodus Civil War, four Succession Wars, Clan Invasion, FedCom Civil War, Jihad, Necromo Nightmare potentially spreading on whole Inner Sphere, Dark Age, Ilkhan. You know what, not even Star League.
>>65416189>but wait, isn't Canopus the Thailand sex tourism capital of Battletech?They run a fleet of bordello ships that operate across the Inner Sphere, actually.
>>65416189>but wait, isn't Canopus the Thailand sex tourism capital of Battletech?yes, they're also a matriarchy. codified in law and social traditions of the upper government.
>>65416189>have they managed to implement melee?They did. It is rather lackluster.
>>65416471>It is rather lackluster.That seems fine and appropriate, considering the base game.
>all of this WELL ACSHUALLY arguing about battletechYou fags are insufferable. Battletech is rule of cool faggotry to an even greater extent than 40K and it's not worth arguing over. None of it makes real sense because it's built on a RPG board but with mecha game for nerds. Quit trying to insist it makes sense and has sound logic and just enjoy your 30+ year old mechwarrior games in silence.
>>65416106>SRM InfernosLess of a one-shot and more a death by inches.
>>65416161>they do force people to procreateIn vats. Clanners prefer using the Iron Womb over natural procreation. This way you can have children with two genetic mothers. Or fathers. Or possibly both depending on how you recombine the genes.
>>65416508Lower-caste members have mandatory partners and breeding quotas, but Clan society puts no upper limits on how many kids people can have.Clanners have no personal preferences regarding breeding as there is no personal choice involved. Politically, being vat-born is preferable, but the gene parents have no say in the process and no personal or social relation with their descendants beyond shared caste membership. If your kids manage to kill you, that's even better. Goes to show that your strong stock clearly managed to produce warriors superior to yourself.
>>65416508Apparently we should dash orphans' skulls against rocks because adoption is gay.
>>65413429The fact that they're shit at their job and deserve much less than they're paid doesn't change the fact that they exist and even do something from time to time.
>>65416471how does it work for a vidya?
>>65416161>BT sits easily among the most unabashedly heterosexual Scifi universes.
>>65416589lmao wut
>>65416535Only if it was done by another kid. Survival of the fittest, after all.
>>65416589>>65416601>fanfictionlollmao
>>65416589>>65416601Shitty fanfic written by people who just wanted to have their trans porn published under some label.BT fiction's currently struggling with having a guy in charge who thinks that writing porn about Blade Runner Replicant whores would be an example of positive political representation of sex workers.
>>65416526If by lower-caste you mean non-clanners, yes. Freebirths rarely make it into the sibkos.
>>65416619All castes are subject to the clan-wide breeding program. The warriors are simply the only ones completely excluded from natural breeding, on grounds of a number of political and military considerations.
>>65416575Best way to describe it would be Minimum Viable Product.Its a short range delayed punch attack that you can upgrade the fists or melee weapons on mechs that have melee weapons that all function the exact same just with slightly different damage stats. So whether it is a sword, hatchet or claw they all swing the exact same way. In theory it could be quite powerful but in reality due to mission design and fact AI can punch back you're just trading damage that you would be better off avoiding.They introduced the Hatchetman to showcase which I get is iconic but is not a really good mech and I think everyone would rather have had the Axman. They also introduced a bunch of non canon variants of various mechs which in true PGI fashion they managed to make as dogshit as humanly possible. Not even kidding that these make the game easier as they trade so much for a melee weapon they will never be able to get into range to use.There's none that I saw that had MASC or Superchargers and thanks to jump jets being hot garbage there is zero way to close distance so all the melee mechs end up being typically slow and undergunned giving you zero reason to want to use them. They didn't even think about including TSM that's how half assed this DLC was.
>>65416616To be fair BT fiction was never good.
>>65416771There's a difference between not being good and being obvious garbage that's just quoting the terminology necessary to get included.
>>65412778Haven't played mechwarrior since before the clans were a thing but is the deal "we duel in a planet and if we lose you get everything if you lose 15 year truce" that doesn't seem like much of a bet for comstar. Was it a trap? Better be some 4d strategy going on
>>65416803>that doesn't seem like much of a bet for comstarthey were in a situation where if they threw the ComGuard at the Clans they might delay the Clans a year or twothe Tukayyid Trial allowed them to convert that into fifteen years insteadwhen you're that desperate, time is always your ally. lots of things can happen in fifteen years, and canonically did
>>65416703And the breeding by clanners is overwhelmingly artificial.
>>65416803The war was looking to be a drag out loss for the IS anyway. From ComStar's perspective the Clans winning means they're going to fall to infighting as none of them are going to accept anything less than sole claim to Earth while the Clans losing means the IS has 15 years to recover while the Clans now have to fully consolidate their holdings to remain relevant.
>>65416803Yes, it was a trap, since Clanners are not as heavy-handed as IS when it comes to rejuvenation medicine. Clan mech pilots are expected to tender their resignations from frontline service after 20-25 years of service (if they don't get killed in duels in the meantime). So most of the experienced Clan pilots would've aged out by the time the truce expired.
>>65416838The Warrior caste don't even make up 5% of the Clans. The majority of people are born the regular way and the majority of warriors die before they wash out and are forced to have sex for the purpose of procreation.
>>65416909>warriors>forced to have sex for the purpose of procreation.either a troll, a newfag, or a nursing-home resident
>>65416934>>65416838Jesus Christ, I'm being trolled by a bot, no?
Clanners should be exterminated, if you wanna know the truth about it. There's like billion of them. and only 100k of them are soldiers.
>>65416940noWTF is wrong with you, it's not like Clan warriors fucking solely for fun and viewing natural birth as a disgusting concept is not in literally the oldest Clan lore books EVERdid you mean to say "lower castes"? even then you wouldn't be right; the only lore on that says that some Clans assign lower-castes partners but the process is not detailed and may be quite lenientand certainly nothing is said about lower caste sex
>>65414105Shit, someone get Clan Wolf
>>65416962>*Ghost BearFTFY
>>65413184Honor tza Dragon Mutha Fukera!>Battletech knew fun
>>65416940Gonna be honest, I have no idea where you're getting your information from. It doesn't fit with how the Clans work at all.
>>65417121Just be a honest bot and trawl reddit.
>>65417147No. Answer me. Where are you getting your information?
>>65417172from styleproject.com
>>65417188Not Sarna.net? Well there's your problem.
>>65417254>Not Sarna.net?>trolls trolling trolls
>>65412396Lances and lances of these bad boys.>inb4 ERPPC garbage
>beats the Clans the first time they fight themCCAF kicks ass
>>65416940>he doesn't know that being freeborn is a clanner insultTHE FREEBORN SCATTER LIKE BIRDS. CLAIM YOUR BONDSMEN FROM THE LIVING.
The clans have castes and therefor they are browncoded.
>>65416940>>65417121>>65417188>>65417254>>65417254>The Clans: Warriors of KerenskyHmmmmmm.
>>65413955>>65415398None of these would have any chance of working. All of them are either very low velocity (plasma weapons, literally subsonic lol), very low range (volkite, even shorter range than bolters) or both (grenades). Elementals armed with lasers, machineguns or AP gauss have a range of comfortably more than a kilometer against a target as poorly armored as a Space Marine, and they move too fast to be targetted at that range by anything Space Marines have other than lascannons.
>>65412540Oh wow norktard, didnt know you were a bt-fag, don't tell me uou are a cappie...
>>65418971maybe Norktard is MadCapellan!
>>65412899the lore is silly in many respects and has seen so more writers and IP holders than a used up slut on the vegas strip. they all had different ideas of what battletech "should" be at some point.the stories are pretty good but the technology and army scale have never been done quite right. wet ammunition storage and blowout panels were apparently lost technology until the year 2452 and still isn't standard technology on every innersphere battlemech in the year of our lord Blake in 3151.
>>65419208>wet ammunition storage and blowout panels were apparently lost technology until the yearIRL CASE existed, the CASE used in-universe is an upgraded version. I don't think it's explained how it works but you could probably handwave it away as being a function of BT armor that it's harder to do. One of the oldest examples of so-called “lost” technologies, CASE (as we know it today) actually predates the Star League by nearly a hundred years. Indeed, its earliest progenitors can be traced back even farther. Developed as a damage-control technology in the event of catastrophic internal explosions, CASE—then as now—became an intrinsic part of the armor system on BattleMechs, Combat Vehicles and fighters, intended to save crews and machines for later salvage. When heat or damage triggers an ammunition explosion in a CASE-protected location, specially designed blow-away panels direct the force of the explosion outward, through the rear of the machine. Though any remaining internal structure in the eff ected section is typically damaged in these blasts, CASE has spared many a machine that once would have been fully consumed by an internal explosion.Originally kept tightly controlled by the Terran Hegemony (along with many of their vital technologies), CASE has proliferated among armorers across the Inner Sphere since its recovery, and even has been adapted for non-military equipment (as a guard against the eff ects of freak fuel tank explosions and the like). The Clans, of course, have also retained this technology, but have refi ned it so well that theirs is completely seamless and weightless by Inner Sphere standards. Nevertheless, even Clan CASE remains incompatible with the compact architecture of ProtoMech designs, where even a redirected internal explosion would have catastrophic effects on the machines and their pilots.
>>65419231i should've made that an image, guh
>>65416838Anon is correct: only the Warriors (maybe Scientists?) are vatborn. The worker class are almost entirely freebirth, or they're Warriors who failed to pass muster during training and got dummied out, which is a gigantic scarlet letter for any vatborn. Very, very few Clan Warriors are Freeborn at the time of the Invasion; they're so rare that I can actually only name one off the top of my head: a Jade Falcon pilot named Horse (who was forced to race a Stormcrow in a Mackie and won, btw)
>>65419262>maybe Scientistsscientists are also freeborn but they have a lot of warrior washouts
>>65418249Says the tube baby from the tard civ that forgot how to fight actual wars.
>>65419271I think I remember them doing some funky stuff of their own accord as well. IIRC one of them inseminated one of Pryde's washout friends with his daughter or something. It's been a while since I read those books. I do remember they have their own version of Bloodnames, at least in Jade Falcon.
>>65419262>>65419271>Anon is correct: only the Warriors (maybe Scientists?) are vatborn. The worker class are almost entirely freebirth, or they're Warriors who failed to pass muster during training and got dummied out, which is a gigantic scarlet letter for any vatborn.This isn't correct. For non-warrior caste, impregnation can be natural but the children are removed carried to term in iron wombs. The entire reason they used iron wombs, originally a technology for very premature babies, for breeding in clan space was to rapidly grow their population by allowing women to have multiple children in quick successful without the risks to their health or loss of productivity associated with many rapid pregnancies. Women carrying children to term is super taboo in clan society because it's a selfish and antisocial act by the mother, which is the core reason why freebirth is also taboo.
>>65419290>they have their own version of BloodnamesLabnames, but they're not used outside their own caste. Jade Falcon warriors in particular would shitstomp a scientist who had any pretensions at all about having their own version of a bloodname.
>>65418938>They move too fastEvery game they've been in they are slow as shit. Also iron halos, also gate of infinity.
>>65419300>This isn't correct. For non-warrior caste, impregnation can be natural but the children are removed carried to term in iron wombs.Where is this said? I haven't seen that anything that implies this is done for lower castemen.>>65419290Lab names aren't tied to anything genetic in all the things I've read
>ahemFUCK INFANTRY That is all
>>65419231I mean just reading the description of how it works on Sarna the only thing that sounds more technologically complex than blowout panels invented in the 70's is ferro fibrous armored ammunition containers. I can't seem to think of anything suggesting that the propellants used in battletech ammunition are so significantly more powerful than 21st century ones that they would need a material not invented yet to match the performance of 21st century blowout panels.It's fine if the writers just want mechs to explode. CASE could have just been a standard technology that was invented pre-spaceflight and installed on some mechs and not others, as blowout panels are used in some tanks and not others today. It's silly that it ever became lostech. Just seems like a piece of military technology the writers didn't really understand.
>>65412899depends on the era, but for a while a surprise nuke on every population or industrial zone of a planet was considered a 'restrained and measured approach', so in some spots a planet might have as much population as a modern state like montana and be considered relatively populous. most places could definitely field some future tanks and APC's, and they can even deal some damage to 'mechs, but most 'mechs are walking armories of truly ludicrous amounts of weaponry for their weight.most of the really cool stuff is all LosTech though. WarShips which would be capable of deploying multiple DropShips with ease may number less than 500 in total for the whole setting, with all nominally in clan hands. the clans being so goofy and bidding low in combat is probably the only thing that has kept them from roflstomping most places.still somehow among the more pleasant to live in currently sci-fi settings for your average joe.
>>65419326I think the easiest explanation is that it just didn't work very well with modern BT armor but BT doesn't use this explanation, so.> It's silly that it ever became lostecWhen some planets went back to using handscythes to cut wheat I think we can give a little slack there.
>>65419318fixed your gay ass NOT a hunchback bullshitif you aren't devoting >75% of your pod space to one type of weapon you are NOT a hunchback
>>65419318you're a pussy for not filling in a full shoulderbay of machineguns
>>65419420sorry, two shoulderbays. i noticed you did fill up one, butit's only 4.5 tons + array for them. which is bitch shit.
>>65419413>PartybackEw
>>65419413>one type of weaponand no, 9 machine guns doesn't count. that's like throwing a fistful of toothpicks at your opponent instead of just fucking stabbing them with a big knife.
>>65419429Funny because in any of the realtime games 9 machineguns behave exactly like a big knifeDifferential aiming of linked weapons is so fucking stupid
>>65419316>Where is this said? I haven't seen that anything that implies this is done for lower castemen.I was wrong and had it mixed up with creches. Having said that, it should be what I thought it was because that would make more sense.
>>65419316>>65419471tldr Clans didn't get rid of pregnancy via iron wombs, they got rid of family via creches and that's what I mixed up. But also it should definitely be both based on why the source books say they use iron wombs. To be clear:>For non-warrior caste, impregnation can be natural but the children are removed carried to term in iron wombs. Is wrong but should be right.>The entire reason Is wrong, it's also so they can do test tube babies.>they used iron wombs, originally a technology for very premature babies, for breeding in clan space was to rapidly grow their populationIs correct but doesn't actually make sense because the other things are incorrect, especially since it literally is only used for the tiniest fraction of their society.>by allowing women to have multiple children in quick successful <sic succession*> without the risks to their health or loss of productivity associated with many rapid pregnancies.Is incorrect.>Women carrying children to term is super taboo in clan society because it's a selfish and antisocial act by the mother, which is the core reason why freebirth is also taboo.Is incorrect but definitely should be correct.
>>65419413>>65419420I can't fit them all
>>65419300>>65419316Could've happened during the early years of colonization, specifically before the reconquest of the Pentagon worlds and the creation of the Clans.As for the Clans.
>>65419463Boating is already overpowered, the games make it the only reasonable build. This is one of the worst parts of the series, having this big complex mech building system and everyone just makes the same laser boat, because why the fuck not? Following game logic dictates almost 90% of the canon mech builds are completely dogshit for no reason and actually, everyone should just be nova alpha striking each other off the board in one turn every game.
>>65417556>ERPPC garbagewho the hell says that? the only thing better would be a couple ER large pulse lasers
>>65419506> for no reasonYou mean because the canon mechs only make sense in the context of the ridiculous tabletop rules?
>>65419659Due to rule changes, many mechs no longer make sense within the rule set (the OGs that suffer from sinks being squirrled away into the engine, SRM2 ones specifically built to run Inferno loads) Many other mechs (mainly Kurita ones) have even been deliberately designed wrong and other mechs ended up the way they are because maths is hard (anything with Re-lasers).
>>65412951>somehow 15 Mechs or even a few dozen Elementals (discount Space Marines but worse in every way) occupying a planet of hundreds of millions.Sounds like the Mobile Infantry from Starship Troopers.
>>65419659I think it actually makes a lot of sense for a combat vehicle to be encouraged to carry multiple kinds of weapons and not solely twelve of the exact same gun. Unfortunately the games give them no purpose and don't reward you for doing so. Even worse than any of that, it's boring and makes the whole build-a-mech pointless. All mechs are just good energy boats or bad energy boats.>>65419672Many early mechs were also shit for no reason even in their own time because the loadouts were based on the art. This is why the shadow hawk sucks dick when it's not supposed to. Others because they don't playtest experimental tech or anything in tac ops. The stalker II having stacked piloting negatives so it effectively can't get back up if it ever falls over is a big one.
>>65419727>The stalker II having stacked piloting negatives so it effectively can't get back up if it ever falls over is a big one.The Stalker II is from the "Maths is hard" period that also gave us Re-Lasers.
>>65417556IS ERPPCs really are trash though and make heat management a massive pain in the butt for little damage. Try out the Lament though, armed with two heavy PPCs and sports a radical heat sink system which actually lets it alpha strike every other turn with ease>>65419641>ER large pulse lasersAin't that a clan tech only thing? It's like their version of X-pulse lasers right? Kinda dumb and unnecessary when clan large pulse lasers are already one of if not the best weapon in the game stats wise
>>65418325This>>65419231>trying to explain it away instead of just saying "yeah battletech is dumb because it is based on a board game"
>>65419314This guy isn't very fast in the way he uses his jumpjets, but it gives an idea of it. https://youtu.be/NLcqvudF9T8
>>65420061If an Elemental can put up a fight against battlemechs like that just because they're fast and can tactically maneuver, then an Armored Core fully dropping its balls for the sake of speed would be a galactic threat.Also, Hatchetman is best mech.
>>65420076Every person he was playing against in those clips was dogshit. Decent players absolutely rape BAs playing like he was unless they're in a mech with no anti-BA weapons, but admittedly Battletech in general attracts a lot of mechanically dogshit battledads with the hand-eye coordination and reflexes of a hibernating snake. None of that means that spech mehrines have any weapons capable of dealing with tabletop-accurate elementals.
>>65420076>>65420061I watched further in after posting >>65420129 and he does actually go fast in later clips.
>>65420061>>65420076Living legends is a bad example because the elementals are super buffed. They basically load each one of them up with the strength of an entire squad so they can be solo operators. It's purely gameplay concessions to make them relevant by turning them into iron man. The real threat of an elemental to mechs is in their swarm attack, where they all jump on you at once and start tearing you apart with their claws, not pogoing around and shooting.I mean the games are terrible for this sort of thing in general. The mechs can't even do melee in LL and half the games.
>>65420076>Hatchetman is best mech.Hatchetman sucks.
>>65419147>>65418971Nah, i just thought it was dumb but everyone else was playing it. We ended up giving each player a budget to make their own mech via the custom rules, i just min/maxed and used 40k Epic minis to represent infantry stands and tanks for the most part, the squat ones were good for getting tiny helicopters. Those old epic stands were great, once we had a contest at our GW for a Epic starter box where we made tiny 40k boards using the Epic figures instead of the full sized ones. I used a bunch of tiny magnets and a folding metal chess board to make a travel sized 40k board, complete with tiny rulers where all the inch measurements were reduced to 5mm. The terrain was on magnets so they wouldn't move around, the whole thing was about 14 inches square. We had to give them all tiny banners so we could figure out who had which equipment, in 2ed stuff like Wolf Guard has ridiculously complex equipment options.
>>65420185Strictly speaking the pogo'ing around and shooting comes first so they can land a bunch of SRM2 hits before they jump you.
>>65419290>IIRC one of them inseminated one of Pryde's washout friends with his daughter or somethingAidan Pryde fucked his washed-out sibko Peri, who gave birth to Diana Pryde>>65419318>not using Flamers, Inferno SRMs or Artillery Cannonngmi>>65419641>who the hell says that?IS tech turdies>>65419943ho, fellow Lament enjoyer
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>>65420185Their firepower and health are buffed, not their speed though.
>Mech armor is ablative >Seemingly anything makes it ablate >Even infantry machine guns>The best way to kill a mech is to just load up another mech with a bunch of machine guns and chew through the armor in a secondHuh...they really didnt think about that, did they?
>>65421639Counterpoint: machine guns mean that if anyone so much as looks at you wrong, you explode.
>>65421650Not really. They really should just make certain ballistic weapons not damage mech armor. Anything less than an AC/5 or maybe a 10 should just bounce.
>>65421674Some do. Look up Light Rifles.Also, 'Mech-scale machine guns in-setting are anything automatic up to 29mm or so. One of the most popular machine guns is actually a 20mm vulcan gun.
>>65421674Machineguns deal no damage to mechs beyond 90m when you use the realistic range rules (whereas other weapons deal damage out to their maximum range but it's reduced).Most stupid rules in Battletech have a realistic alternative that no one bothers to use because it adds more effort.
>>65421639Infantry weapons usually only do anything up to 1-2 hexes. Unless he's closing in to BBQ your buns the enemy pilot can usually just... not be there. And if you're fast enough to close that distance and sit on his heels you are not usually heavy enough to withstand a kick to the chin from someone who is probably heavier than you.
>>65419326The new Core rules now limit ammo explosions to 20 damage if you don't have CASE. So now you can justify that all mechs have "primitive" CASE, actual CASE is the star league invention, and CASE II is the Jihad era improvement.
>>65422024>MG ammo won't send your boys into high orbit anymoreDozens of Periphery space programs in shambles.
>>65422024It took them long enough. But now that damage is limited to 20...doesnt that buff clan mechs?
>>65422035How? Clan mechs have CASE I by default (weight free) in any location that has explosive components.
>>65422035Omnis come with CASE built in. I guess it buffs some of their Battlemechs but idk if that's all that big a deal.
>>65421995Infantry platoons are surprisingly nasty for the BV. I quite like motorized platoons with infantry LRMs.
The funny thing is a used to accused of min/maxing when would spam infantry vs Clan Elementals.
>>65422045No they don't. All Clan internal structure has CASE: regular mechs, omnimechs, vehicles, ASF, etc.
>>65419727Sounds like the tabletop could stand to introduce something akin to the heat scale limit in MWO to counter boating.>>65421507Elemental ground speed is 10kph unless they're using jumpjets.
>>65419231So basically blow out panels like on an abrams or leo 2?
Im calling the fucking cops,
>>65422124aren't elementals weak against inferno gel?
>>65422156>Sounds like the tabletop could stand to introduce something akin to the heat scale limit in MWO to counter boating.dhs say fuck you.yes, tt BT has auto shutdown for 30 total heat, but if you take your large laser instead of an AC/5 and fill the spare space with heatsinks you'll just not need to worry about this.
>>65422434dhs aren't a panacea you genetic dead end. You will never be a grandfather.
Why are we all here instead of /btg/?
people should know when they're conquered
>>65421639Mech machine guns aren't infantry machine guns. They're vulcans. The infantry damage round up rule is indeed a mistake though. They're also not that good at shredding armor. They're fine enough in very specific conditions but have so many caveats that they're the worse choice.>>65422404Everything is weak to infernos, they're the sleeper meta of the game. >>65422124Spam is bad in any case because the initiative system is broken outside of mech duels. You're supposed to eitherA: pay extra per additional unit to bring your numbers back downB: use alternative initiative systems where all infantry activate firstThe latter of which they've recently made iron-clad ruling. Infantry activate first.
>>65419489perhaps there's a reason why? ugh... disgusting...
>>65419489Anon those are RAC barrels.
>>65422566would you, Anastasius?would I?
>>65422603sadly no, MG arrays
>>65422156>unlessThis conversation had been predicated from the very start on them using JJ, because they get them for free. The only way they don't have JJ is if they have myomer boosters instead which would mean they run 50km/h.
>>65422848>they get them for freeno, they don'tBAs have to be built similar to other vehicles and Mechsgo read TechManual
>>65422536>dhs aren't a panacea you genetic dead endOK. take a shadowhawk, pull the gun and ammo, replace it with 1 large laser and 4 DHS. congrats, you are now heat neutral on the laser independent of anything else.
>>65422943just off the base 20 heat from engine sinks you can run 2 LLs with 0 heat problem and if you take 3 LLs you're only 6 heat over when in a run and can just alt between 3-2-3 endlessly even sprinting for 24/16 max damage per turn, with a mere 15 tons and 6 crit investment.
Lasers and missiles are just better than any other weapons in the game. Ballistics are not worth their weight>b-but gauss rifles!Nah, pepper with missiles and then melt with lasers
>>65423027LB-10X and -20X are decent with the through armor critical chance. Especially against vehicles and BA. But the normal autocannons, even with special ammo are mega meh and tons of weight that would be more useful as heatsinks or something.
>>65419680Mobile Infantry were throwing around nukes like candy in a pinanta.
>>65422935BAs aren't elementals, you sped.
>>65418236God i love the Raven, it so cool
>>65423052Very true, Citizen Anon
>>65423027And they keep trying to fix ballistics, but fail because they’re afraid of invalidating record sheets, so they can’t address the root issue of ballistics being bad: weight.
>>65423050>Elementals aren't battle armouryou're actually retarded
>>65423140>the root issue of ballistics being badis that double heat sinks completely threw off the heat curve, they're not terrible in Level 1 play>>65423036>tons of weight that would be more useful as heatsinks or somethingwith certain builds you can optimise better if you carry both ballistics and that's why so many Mechs carry the LBX/Gauss + PPC combo, and LBX/Gauss + PPC + MLs; it can output as much as 10 points more damage over all-laser flashbulbsand crucially, the Gauss build pushes that range further out.what they really need to do is introduce a replacement class of ballistics that is about 3/4th the weight and critsthere is precedent; LBXs already effectively replaced ACs, until specialty ammo appeared
>>65423330Man, nice barely more damage ya got there! Oh...what's that? Ran out of ammo? Ammo exploded? Not my problem! >lasers you to death
>>65423296That's not what I said. Learn to read.All Elementals (the equipment) are battle armor. Some battle armor (the Elemental I, II and III) are Elementals. That all Elementals are battle armor does not imply that all battle armor are Elementals.
>>65413497the gray death trilogy was published in 1986-87, and the second book, mercenary star, has an entire chase and dog fighting sequence as the gray death legion attempts to make planetfall.it is true and fair to say the core the battletech gameplay experience is mech v mech combat, with infantry, tanks, artillery, and areospace combat being ala carte supplements to the core experience. The universe has a number of contrivances to justify mechs being the focus.I dont think your information is out of date, I think your information is misremembered
>>65423036The IS AC/10 with Precision Ammo has performance similar to VSPL at a fraction of the BV. I think it's better on tanks, perhaps bracketed with a VSPL or Plasma Rifle
>>65422124People forget that conventional infantry don't give a shit about the BA to-hit penalty. They're surprisingly effective BA killers if they get the drop on them.
>>65423510irrelevantyou forgot context, which is >>65422848. try explaining how Elementals get jumpjets or myomer boosters for free, smartarse
>>65422603How many RAC2s could you fit into a hunchback?
>>65423140True, but they're trying at least. Core rules now allow ACs to function after taking their first critical. Ultras no longer jam, ever. Unjamming a rotary has fewer restrictions.
>>65423757Not enough for it to be worth it
>>65423760>Core rules now allow ACs to function after taking their first criticalseems rather meh>Unjamming a rotary has fewer restrictions.presumably a better chance of unjam and the ability to fire immediately upon unjamming?
>>65423770Rotary unjam now declared during movement phase. Still need to stand still or walk, but can now perform other actions, including weapons fire.
>>65423789yeah that's what I guessednot sure why though, RACs have always been super popular and are pretty good weaponsunless other weapon classes have been buffed since I left BT
/k/ is the most based board to discuss battletech and I'm sad that /vpol/ and /tgpol/ ruined it for everyone.I want to paint an introtech Kurita company, but the drink holds me back. Can you /k/ommandos suggest anything that would help me?
>>65423798MRMs suck less. They finally swapped the to-hit penalty with a cluster penalty instead.
>>65423847I can't remember the math but ISTR I'd rather take the to-hit than the cluster penalty
>>65423760>Ultras no longer jam, ever.Seriously? That sounds pretty fuarkin' good.
>>65423847>>65423857MRMs with apollo now seem like a great bug mech and BA removal weapon.
>>65423557should be the same 123 BV for AC/10 and Large VSPL. But AC suffers more BV from the ammo, 15 BV for every 5 shots. (unless rules have changed?)
>>65423897I've only known MRMs from MWO, but are they any good on the tabletop?
>>65424681Unguided LRMs with no minimum range. Apollo fire control makes them less likely to miss. Biggest draw is that they can be swapped in for certain SRM/LRM launchers, giving such 'Mechs an all-range weapon when needed.
>>65423813Not doing introtech because it's gay and retarded and for idiot boomers. Moderntech is way funner and more dynamic
>>65423857Not on a 2d6 curve.
>>65424681MRMs were pretty shitty for the longest time. They had a to-hit penalty, and when you roll 2d6 to hit, it wasn't worth the tonnage or the BV. The new rules buff them, and the Apollo FCS now allows you to use the MRM has an AoE weapon, great for killing infantry and battle armor.
>>65422434HSL in MWO is an increase in heat generated when you fire multiple of the same weapon beyond a certain limit. Of course it's not going to work if you're only firing a single weapon, that's not what it's designed to counter.
>>65422156The heat scale/ghost heat was implemented in MWO because weapons shoot center of the crosshair every time and weapons have perfect/instant aim correction. It made boating one type of weapon the braindead best play since you'd never have to adapt to a different lead or firing cadence, and all your damage would impact the exact same spot. It's not as needed in TT since hit locations are rolled per weapon. Medium lasers and clan LPLs are still monsters when you boat them but you cant just carve a dude's leg off like he's a turkey and the other weapons have stuff like specialty ammo which can help differentiate them.
>>65424785>Apollo FCS now allows you to use the MRM has an AoE weaponlmao that's sick>>65424781the expected engagement range is also important when assessing the 2d6 curve>>65424689>Biggest draw is that they can be swapped in for certain SRM/LRM launchers, giving such 'Mechs an all-range weapon when needed.I think you've got them confused for MMLs>>65424681it's been a while, but ISTR that MRMs (when first introduced*) had shitty stats for the smaller launchers so only the biggest racks were usable*this is an important caveat because there have been rule updates>>65424999>weapons shoot center of the crosshair every timeMechwarrior vidya should make the CEP bigger
>>65424999Also because they keep making the games purely focused on fighting other mechs. Of course everyone's in a mech-destroyer build when the only threats are other mechs. And in MW5 at that they only really fight by slowly and predictably approaching you, so there's no variety in targets or tactics.That vtols will always approach to medium laser reach and then hover around kills the point of a lot of smaller LRMs on mechs, for example. Every gun's a flyswatter at that range.
>>65424999Sure, but everyone is also saying that the braindead best play in TT is to boat lasers with enough heatsinks to be able to alpha every turn and the rules as-is don't provide a benefit to mixing loadouts then the most obvious solution is to provide diminishing returns for heat management when boating.
>>65425020I was really surprised when I hopped on Sarna and saw the default Warrior VTOL had an AC/2 on it. God those would have been a gigantic bitch to deal with early, but it would have further justified my hot, steamy, absolutely not platonic relationship with the Blackjack.
>>65413431>Women's rights have regressedDiscounting the hijacking of the magistracy of canopus from being "slutopia" into "le epic progressive periphery nation battling against the cruel MAN DOMINATED inner sphere!" thing, clanners have interesting sex dynamics and I'm surprised the clans aren't co-opted by genderslimes more often considering clanners were written to be cartoonishly sexual sexual degenerates (at least in the warrior castes) with 80s glam flavour back in the 90s.
>>65413712Shut the fuck up tex it's bad enough I had to see this bullshit you commissioned when looking at GB waifus the other week P.S. Why is she brown? GB is the ex rasalhaugian SLDF peeps
>>65425121There was a Shrapnel magazine issue where a Clan warrior was talking to someone about how oppressed/looked over she was because she was an woman and black or something, but Shrapnel is a 'fan' magazine and whoever wrote that just blatantly didnt know that the Clans had abandoned the old ways and invented new and bespoke methods of discriminating agaisnt someone due to their birth so you can just write it off as some dipshit shooting their mouth off.
>>65425051There's plenty of viability in the tabletop that doesn't exist in the vidya. The videogames are just overly simple and made some bad decisions regarding movement+accuracy that have left them as boring turrettech games.The follow the tabletop to their detriment and make changes to their detriment. They'd probably be better off as an entirely original setting.
>>65412396Before I tell you about my RCT equipped with nothing but wolverines, can you tell me, Star Colonel, how the fuck these guys getting away with using almost nothing but armor and tanks?
>>65425121>clanners have interesting sex dynamicsno, they don't; they are basically "we only fuck for fun, machines do the childbearing" just as in Brave New Worldwhich is the pinnacle of foid society>and I'm surprised the clans aren't co-opted by genderslimes more oftenthe genderslime raison d'etre is mainly a cry for attention from deadbeat losers, and also an excuse as to why they're losers but it's not their fault, ackshually society discriminates against themthe Clans don't have any of that and thus have taken away their discriminated-minority excuseit's why you still see foids and trannys today whining and screaming about how society apparently still oppresses them, despite female-dominated workplaces, female-dominated divorce courts, female and tranny overrepresentation in media, years and years of Pride Month and pride parades, and AFFIRMATIVE actionbecause it takes away their excuses for being deadbeat losers, forcing them to confront their real flaws of characterTL;DR you can't LARP as an oppressed minority in a setting where you are not an oppressed minority, and the whole point of your LARP is to be an oppressed minority per se
>>65425186Okay then, what's your solution to high alpha lasboats and the lack of reason to mix loadouts on the TT?
>>65425051There's things you can do on TT to mitigate it. >special anti-laser armor if you're in the right era>lasers that arent the SPL (maybe micros too?) suck at zapping infantry which opens them up to BA or spotters or field guns if they dont take bodyguards >plasma, infernos, or flamers can apply heat and make a flashbulb's day a bit more sweatyThe real reason clan LPLs are so annoying is that they have excellent range and a to-hit bonus, which means there's not much that can efficiently engage them in their own range envelope. The Mlas is just super effecient, but it's still a mid/close weapon so you can play around it if you really try.
>>65422943Ok you're cool. Don't go to the batchall tomorrow.
>>65425010That's not what Sarna says.>The MRM 10 is the lightest and smallest MRM launcher. It was designed to easily be swapped in for an SRM 6. >The MRM 20 was designed to be easily swapped in for an LRM 15. >The MRM 30 was designed to be easily swapped in for an LRM 20.
>>65425200All the Clans do is whine, especially the Warrior caste, and no one LARPing as a discriminated class actually requires discrimination in real life or a fictional setting. The actual reason is that LARPing as a Clan Warrior requires a very specific kind of autism that most people aren't willing to commit to.
>>65425216>It was designed to easily be swapped in forby which that guy probably meant it has the same crits and tonsin-universe, you're not swapping much because most people just take stock configurations, unless you're driving an OmniMech or FrankenMechon the tabletop, consensus at the time was that MMLs are superior to MRMs, because of the MRM range bands and the +1 THNwhen you're real close, you lose to mass SRMsthe MRM sweet spot is 7-9 hexes. at which point just use medium lasers, objectively the best all-around weapons in the gameso everyone I knew brought MMLs instead of MRMs whenever possibleMRMs are only good for turning former LRM boats into MRM boats, which is why the larger racks were favoured
>>65425205Don't have to, it's not a problem on tabletop. I'd turn the mechwarrior series into an armored core clone with lockbox targeting and advanced movement.
>>65412841Who is this, I want to read more about him?
>>65412899They're like modern Russia in that they have the non-fuctional remains of an industrial base and lots of old stock to use. They can build replacement parts for old mechs, and can produce some of the smaller or lower quality ones in small numbers, but most mechs are going to be decades or centuries old. Mechs themselves are generally way more effective than their equivalent weight and cost in IFVs and planes. So you combine those two things with a galaxy that was fucked into this state by non-stop industrialized total war, and you end up with a situation where its in everyone's best interest to keep war small and limited. So they practice conflict like the medieval knights did, and agree not to use things like nukes or human waves if they can at all avoid it. This, in turn, leads to most worlds not having much in the way of non-mech ground forces, in the same way medieval armies were mainly a small elite force of knights, and some support elements, rather than the massive armies of infantry that came before and after that era.I'd suggest reading The Ideal War if you want to get an idea of the situation.
>>65425362https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Montgomery
>>65413312Its probably the best out of all the tabletop wargame settings, but in terms of sci fi, Trek beats it easily with its holodecks and post scarcity society.
>>65419680They're like the book version of mobile infantry, but without the nukes
>>65425374>I'd suggest reading The Ideal Wartroll or retarded?Ideal War is a Nam parable force-fit into the BT universe, it's barely canon
>>65425205Simple.Don’t play with customs.
why is playing as a mercenary so much more fun than picking a faction?
>>65425866Because you do not honor the dragon!
>>65425374This was true in 3025. By 3050, not so much.
>>65426145The BT setting is still post-industrial from the perspective of its high point before the Amaris Civil War and First Succession War, it's just been on the upswing rather than the downswing since Helm and the Clan Invasion.
>>65416713>thanks to jump jets being hot garbage therelast big update added vectoring to JJs so now they're must use and the best mobility option over masc/scvanilla or yaml, Marauder Ii is now even better
>>65426145Even in Ideal War, which takes place years after the Clan Invasion, that still seems to be the status quo for a lot of the galaxy, even if some parts are better off.
>>65426536It takes place in 3054 and depicts a backwater insurgency, not a cutting edge major theatre with the latest tech. The 3050 Clan Invasion is the major turning point for IS technology and after that it develops after centuries of being suppressed by the Space AT&T conspiracy that is broken by up the necessity of the invasion.
>>65416803>Was it a trap?It was a trap. The whole thing makes more sense if you consider it as two different SLDF successors who have the same motivations for the IS but different methods (like Wardens and Crusaders but more extreme).
>>65416803Focht's bidding was essentially a shaping operation to funnel the best of the Clans warriors into a single killing field where the Com Guard's better balanced force could kill them, and it worked. So yeah, it was a trap of sorts.
>>65412396>What forces dare oppose us?4 million emu
