I heard many times that Battle of Yonkets from World War Z was written pretty badly and i would agree, even knowing it was fiction and i should overlook it but i couldn't because us military acted too retarded in that battle. How would you change it so biggest us military fail in war against zombies looked more believable. or would you scrap it and replace it with different scenario?
>>65414364Also everything he ever wrote was written badly so...
Have a necromancer controlling them, resurrecting them, and hexing the military.I can't think of any other plausible defeat of a modern military, much less the US military, to fucking zombies
>>65414377They rot apart in days. Max is a retard.
A single CROWS turret can kill an effectively unlimited number of zombies
>>65414382They wouldn't even attack people, they eat connective tissue for a nutrient that hlps the body use water. Zombies are thirsty, and animals have more sinew and shit than people (collagen compounds like that).
I would replace the zombies with indians and rename it to Camp of the Saints.
OP is just a retard you can't go anywhere with this.
I haven't read it since ~2010, but my recollection is that 5.56 was ineffective in spite of .22 being held up as the ideal zombie killer, and that artillery was utterly useless because zombies don't care about blast and are only harmed by fragmentation. But if we fix those issues, then the battle simply doesn't happen, so I would reframe it less as an attempted curbstomp and more that the threat was not taken seriously. Like imagine Yonkers was a major refugee point, and the military was more worried about mass rioting, so there was a large overt military presence but nobody had any mags in their rifles. I could see a horde overrunning them in that kind of situation.
>>65414395wasn't replacing 5.56 with .22 was less about 5.56 being ineffective and more about being an overkill and in situations where you need to score hundreds of headshots in stressful conditions for perhaps hours at times you needed as little recoil as possible.
The scenarios in the book are stupid because the author lacked an imagination and even the most basic understanding of modern military equipment
>>65414440It's fundamentally retarded, you can't worry about specific tardations.
>>65414440Entirely possible, its been a very long time.
>>65414364Who cares? Whining about WWZ is the kind of faggy shit of proto-Reddits like SDN and SB. It's complaining about a pretty standard genre conceit; like whining about swords in space opera or mechs being better than tanks in mecha shows.It's not even funny like the 4th Generation Warfare guy's extended /pol/ shitpost novel with the T-34s from the Tsar and "sheeeeit, nigga, I'm not crossing that stream".
>>65414364The entire book is fucking dogshit, I can't believe they made us read it on holdover at AIT. I think the only believable part was how the Russians mobik charged the zombies with mosins and T-34s
>>65414364DESU, the idea of logistics not being able to support heavy weapons resulting in the infantry acing to bear the brunt of the battle, eventually leading to a rout due to a major breakdown in communication is…fine? It’s just too compressed of a timeline.If I was writing it, the scenario would be along the lines of “we have enough food and ammunition for fourteen days of continuous fire. It is now day twenty nine. And this scene is repeating all over the country. Atlanta. Las Vegas. Los Angeles. San Diego. Seattle. Washington DC. They keep diverting all our resupplies elsewhere. I haven’t slept in seventy hours”
>>65414711Well done.
>>65414380Necromancer zombies become skeletons when they rot and take up swords and shields. Then you have to duel them, it's a matter of honor at that point.
>>65414364Yeah, but if you wanted to make Max Brooks Zombie books make sense you'd need to rewrite them completely. They're just the book equivalent of dumb Hollywood action movies. Don't expect more from them than that.
>>65414790a skeleton weighs like 20lbs throw your bag at them and they won't even be able to get back up
>>65414364I would’ve done something different
>>65414364I would've listened to them, and that's what no one else did
Is WWZ actually retarded or is it the same as the people who cry when the giant monster doesn’t die from getting bombed?
>>65414925The latter
>>65414925Actually retarded.
>>65414831this is what Big Ruck was preparing you for btw. everyone just complained about their knees and back without seeing the vision
>>65414925Both
>>65414925Pretty retarded, the M16 gets abandoned for a fictional M1 carbine thing because theyre not nearly modular or accurate or reliable enough. The carbine came with barrel conversion kits stored in the stock, presumably including a second barrel.
>>65414925Retarded
>>65414925it's pretty fucking retarded but at least the movie gave us the scene of a clueless dude being given a gun and slipping on a ramp, accidentally blowing his shit smoove offI don't even remember that in the book lmao
>>65414957Don’t forget how during the big artillery bombardment, exploding cars killed more zombies than the artillery did.
>what is genre blindness
>>65414925Max Brooks logic:>5.56 is dumb because you'll get tired from the recoil>Swinging a heavy metal crowbar into a skull, stopping it at just the right point so it doesn't get stuck and you have nothing to deal with the rest of the shambling horde, then rinse and repeat for hours on end is perfectly fine though and won't tire you out at all
>>65414957IIRC the M16 gets replaced with an M14-like weapon because the army wanted a bigger round with an incendiary core that would effectively roast everything inside a zombie's skull to reduce the risk of spreading infected tissue through the exit wound.Like other Anons said, the Battle of Yonkers is okay for reasons mentioned (soldiers trained to fire at center of mass, arty being ineffective, etc.) and to Brooks credit the interviewee in the book does say they kill tens of thousands of zombies but that there were millions more pouring in, essentially all the zombified population of NYC.And really, all zombie media needs to be absorbed with the idea that zombies as a concept dont exist in them because of course *we* all know to "shoot em in the head"..Long story short, the most credible zombie threat in fiction is the one from "Return of the Living Dead"
>>65414364I think the book was good, Yonkers is a bad chapter (Same for the weeaboo samurai) but the F22 pilot chapter makes up for it.
>>65414395>>65414440if i recall, the military still used 5.56 but he went the fudd route of saying M16s were jam-o-matics so they switched to some non-descript wood and steel rifle still chambered in 5.56 but more "reliable" now
>>65415130Favorite arc is the astronauts stuck in space, which is coincidentally the least zombie involved part of the whole book.
>>65414925Ok look.This zombie type anyway is a blood borne pathogen, and it covers zero science of such a thing nor does it avoid (almost seeks) to cover you in zombie blood.So you tell us.
>>65415069Pretty much everyone is saying the Battle of Yonkers is trash for the reasons mentioned.Also instead of pretending zombies as a concept don't exist, zombie media should invert it and make everyone's preconceived notions of pop culture zombies be a giant chunk of the problem.>You gotta destroy the brain to stop them!Yeah, but they can be disabled by broken bones and torn muscles.>They'll sprint after you!Yeah, as fast they could manage while alive, which for most people isn't much.>You can't use guns or thousands of them are gonna swarm!Sound dissipates and can be blocked or muffled by surprisingly small amounts of barriers, it's hard to pinpoint the source of sounds beyond a general direction unless the terrain is open and clear, and their ability to swarm would depend entirely on the amount of zombies within hearing distance of the gunshot that can accurate figure out where it's coming from. Also if they're that responsive to sound they'd be easily distracted and rainstorms would more or less short circuit them.>If one of them scratches you it's all over.No, the zombie virus is still a virus and your immune system is still your immune system. You can fight the infection and you'll only turn if you have an active infection.And that's how you get people in boarded up houses killing each other over superficial wounds sustained while trying to melee totally-not-magical corpses spreading infection through bodily fluids.
>>65415137its been a while since ive read the books, but the SIR rifle they replaced the M-16s with sounded heavily inspired by the SKS>solid wood and steel design >flip out bayonet >reliable and tough >character mentions them looking more like WWII rifles than modern onesAlso the lobo shovel that no one is able to made good fan art of is really just an e-tool like russia or cold steel has. works as a shovel, ax, or melee weapon in a pinch
>>65415142That is also a good one, it's how I found the song I was only 19. Great song that always delivers tears.
>>65414364it was retarded yes i think it was only written by max brooks as an extreme example of how regular modern armies were not equipped/trained to fight his brand of zombies. this is bacause>'well the army will just bomb them easily' is the #1 criticism of zombie fiction>he wanted something to contrast the later fight where the soldiers were geared and trained from the ground-up in counter-zombie warfare
Max had no military knowledge. I posted the initial scenario to a group of officers at Ft Irwin (Now NTC Irwin) before his book was commonly known and they cackled. A significant number of troops would of been in APCs and and in positions that probably would not been over run by humanoids. Once the initial over run happened it would of been Bradley time. There would of been a lot of casualties but from the description zombies are stupid. And the number of Army guys that play D&D was ridiculous in the 90s. They told me the M231 Firing Port Weapon (FPW) probably would be the real winner of such a engagement. They had concerns troops would not realize how infectious the disease was but they would probably recover and start looking for zombies with IFVs. The other item was the armor guys when told the initial conditions stated they would of loaded the MBTs with Beehive rounds and WP. Artillery would fire Killer Junior and Killer Senior. The fact it was a rush with unarmored masses of individuals was known would make that possible. The tanks would drive through larger mobs flattening them. Communications channels would probably be filled with D&D references. Civilians really do not realize how devastating some of the anti personnel options the US military has.
>>65414395Agreed. It'd be a better military failure as a broken arrow situation where you had a mass outbreak amongst civilians and peacekeeper forces that resulted in something like the use of white phosphorus up to tactical nuclear weapons and that still not stopping the disease while assuring even more deaths. Failures in organization and planning lead to people turning in an area only "defended" by guys with riot equipment and anti vehicle ballards which rapidly devolves into responding Bradley companies dumping 25mm chaingun and 7.62 into anything that coming down the highway alive or dead.
>>65415069Ironically the whole thing was still chambered in 5.56mm. They just gave it the special incendiary "PIE" ammo lmao.
>>65415069>Long story short, the most credible zombie threat in fiction is the one from "Return of the Living Dead"Nah 28 days later. Just a virus. Makes you retarded and violent. Center mass kills. Need food and water.Ironically, they are also the most dangerous of the zombie types.
Was the author just making shit up when he said that the bomb that ripped the lungs out of the zombies mouths and just hung there is real and does that to people?
>>65414940Also, pre-emptively crippling your knees so that when you die and get raised as another skeleton you are less mobile
>>65414377>I can't think of any other plausible defeat of a modern military, much less the US military, to fucking zombiesHot take: a Night of the Living Dead/Walking Dead style zombie uprising with all the corpses abruptly getting up and attacking us would almost certainly collapse collapse global civilization to the extent scene in TWD because how the hell do you do logistics when the "enemy" is already literally everywhere and has appeared without warning or precedent.Max Brooks was a retard for trying to make it plausible by having the zombies beat the army in a pitched battle.
>>65415799He tried to simulate simultaneous outbreaks via the spread being by donor organs. So you had outbreaks happen in every major city at about the same time. Also, it is plausible for the US mil to lose. Consider an outbreak in like Houston or LA - huge sprawling cities. It wouldn't be one set-piece like Yonkers but steady attrition as the army gets dispersed to maintain order and you lose three guys here, half a squad there so on and so forth and then supply lines start falling apart and you lose mobility and cohesion and over a week a BCT just gets swallowed up.
>>65415752>Was the author just making shit upof course he was, its a fucking "realistic" take on zombies
>>65414377Just have the virus spread fast enough so the military can't get organized in time.>>65414380No they don't because zombies aren't normal corpses.
>>65415799>Dumb zombies that just get shot by hunters once 5 guys group up Return of the living dead remains best and only viable zombie apocalypse >Spreads environmentally >Spread actively kills people and infects people >Zombies retain level of consciousness to organize, ambush, and actively pursue people >Entire body animated, destruction of the head and biomechanical damage does not neutralize them effectively >Zombie bodies infection vector requiring gas seal interment of all tissue
the number one problem to be solved by any zombie media is "why can't armoured vehicles and bulldozers just roll over them with impunity">>65414666>the only believable part was how the Russiansdecided to repopulate Russia by raping women in baby farms, and the women are buckbroken and stockholmed so they go along with it even as they're bitching about it>>65414925bothbut having the virus spread by blood transfusion and organ donation was a good touch>>65415130>weeaboo samuraihikikomori NEET samurai>but the F22 pilot chapter makes up for itthe ones with a touch of the supernatural are always bestit's been a very long while but I think I like the naval combat ones too>>65415307>It'd be a better military failure as aPOLITICAL situationthe one thing Max Brooks did that was clever was describe in more detail than previous zombie works how the political breakdowns caused almost as much damage as the zombies themselvesthe Americans swindled each other over fake vaccines (sound familiar?)the Chinese, Muslims and Israelis start fighting with themselvesthe India and Pakistan nuke each otheretc
>>65415975>the number one problem to be solved by any zombie media is "why can't armoured vehicles and bulldozers just roll over them with impunity"The horde could be to big or the environment could be too treacherous.
>>65415975Any armoured vehicle is necessarily fuel-intensive, and I hate to imagine the maintenance required in such a dirty job
>>65414925It's leftist reddit slop
>>65415975>>65415996>cleaning zombie guts out of the treads>drop of zombie blood gets in your eye, mouth, a cut on your finger etcoops you're now infected and you might not even know ithope your crew enjoys being inside a tin can with you when you turn
Were are you in this setting? I'll probably be safe on the island of Kirk or Cres.
>>65414666>666>Holdover at AITSatan's turd scrubber I kneel
>>65416052Here's a better pic of those islands i mentioned.
>>65416052Is there an actual explanation as to why the western half of the Americas are uniformly safe or nah?
>>65416067Zombies are racist against mountains
>>65416052Well thank God Antarctica is attending
>>65416067There were minor outbreaks but they were handled by the military. The main reson is that zombes had a hard time moving through mountains terrain.
>>65416113how am i supposed to believe there were only minor outbreaks in the US west coast when it has some of the most densely packed and chaotic cities in the worldLA alone containing a zombie outbreak when it literally cannot handle any other kind of natural disaster is just completely unbelievable
>>65416052you can go days on end in wales not seeing ten people, how the fuck is that infected?
>>65416131The author lives on the west coast. Tells you everything you need to know
>>65416131Well i say minor but i simply remember that the soldier from the Yonkers mentioning that they weren't compleatly safe and had to constantly deal with outbreaks. I can't remember the details.
>>65416144Refugees helped spead the virus.
>>65416144Its infected by the Welsh.
>>65416131they were less densely-packed and chaotic when the book was writtenand places like LA are a strange mix of very densely-packed city and very sparsely-populated countrysideand the entire US moved West so they concentrated the entire country's zombie-killing efforts on the west coasteven so, the leadership had to move to Hawaii
>>65416185>Everyone moves west>Somehow this doesn't increase the infection rate>The military is ineffective>Except when the writer needs it to be effectivePeople like this slop?
>>65416188>Everyone moves west>Somehow this doesn't increase the infection ratethe survivalists who knew how to kill zombies and keep themselves uninfected went WestMax Brooks has always been big on preparedness; remember that WWZ is a sequel to Zombie Survival Guidehe also mentioned bastions kept in the East as basically sacrificial bait, this included much of the US Special Forces; they bought the West coast time to reorganise by holding out as long as they could even though in the long run they were essentially doomed>The military is ineffective>Except when the writer needs it to be effectivemight surprise you to know that all of human history has been like this
>>65414925Let's put it this way: the zombies are both durable enough that they can survive walking on the ocean bottom and near-misses from tank shells but also frail enough that your average suburban mom can, with little help from adrenaline, tear one apart. It has some good sections, especially early on when the zombies are a problem gnawing at the edges of society, but as a whole it is pretty retarded.
>>65416192>The reddit book by the reddit author supports what the other reddit book by the reddit author says
>>65414925>Is WWZ actually retarded or is it the same as the people who cry when the giant monster doesn’t die from getting bombed?A big monster surviving bombs makes sense because due to it's massive size, it would logically have to be made out of absurdly durable materials. Yeah good luck bombing a 80 thousand ton solid lump of steel-like material.Except WWZ zombies are, quite literally, reanimated human bodies with no greater strength or durability to a regular person.Yet somehow they survive howitzer blasts without issues.
>>65416052>The half of America who unironically suggested 'hugging chinese people' during Covid is uninfectedLMAO!
>>65416212They're durable in the sence they can "survivie" withouth massive parts of their bodies. They don't tank howitzer blasts without issues.
>>65416235Read the book.The official explanation is that they're full of black slime, which for some reason renders them almost immune to blast waves.
>>65416219>Covid was a hoax but it also spread due to libruls in California hugging chinks
>>65416207>these books are wrong because they just are okay>>65416240the black slime is congealed decomposing bodily fluids, it has nothing to do with the magical resistance of the zombiesor how muscles can magically move; and neurons can magically fire; and hearing, sight and smell appear to work, despite them being clinically deadZombieland-style "rage virus" zombies are more realistic than WWZ zombies>>65416235common HE should have torn them apart regardlessMax Brooks kept thinking of HE shells as beehive shells and underestimated what overpressure does to a body
>>65416271>Whines about someone not liking his reddit book>Proceeds to document multiple points where the reddit book is retarded
>>65416278>Whines about someone not liking his reddit book>Proceeds to document multiple points where the reddit book is retardedit's almost as if I wasn't actually "whining", and one can and ought to assess a book fairly by weighing both its merits and failings, instead of dismissing the entire book without reasonand right back at you:>Whines about someone's circular reasoning>Proceeds to argue circularly
>>65416240>black slimeCongealed blood.>almost immune to blast waves.No it just makes them less effective in comparison with regular humans.
>>65416282>You have to like the reddit slop because not liking it makes me sad
>>65416298>You have to hate the reddit slop because not hating it makes me sad
>>65416301>Admits it's reddit slopI accept your concession
>>65416271>common HE should have torn them apart It did but they had a much greater chance of surviving and if they also had something to push themselves forward with and bite they would still be a problem.
>>65416303Bodied that fucking freak.
>>65416303>admits he's saddened by thisI accept your concession
>>65416318>Lies to try and cover his own embarrassment at having to admit the truthShh little guy it's all over now. Just head back to r/lgbt I'm sure they'll find you a nice new hugbox and tell you how heckin valid you are
>>65416324you don't like it when your own spells are turned against you, ehkeep malding
>>65416334>Continues to seethe and talk about itselfOh no no no
>>65416242>Minor flu like symptoms for people under 87 who weren't Chinese chain smoking uncles weren't spread at the rio... peaceful protests we encouraged people to gather in chuddie!1! ....because ok!?!1 Stupidity is the greatest disease vector after ideology, even the zombie survival guide got that right.
>>65416052>Just about the entire west coast of North America is uninfected >The entirety of Australia bar Tasmania is infected even though they have fuck all populationWhat?
>>65416401Shhh, you'll upset that one anon who's crying over people pointing out the stupidity in this dreck
>>65416403lmao imagine still being this buttmadthis whole thread still being up is what's getting you frothing, is that it?>>65416401the map is inconsistent, some countries are painted flat grey despite holdouts mentioned in the book, whereas other holdouts are represented on the mapfor example, England is totally grey despite a few castles including Windsor itself specifically mentioned as surviving bastionsI'm more perplexed by Sri Lanka. its population density is greater than most major European countries, and it's the ~123rd poorest country in the world, and it's in roughly the same place in heallth rankings, and 107th in perceived corruptionby rights it should be totally wiped out in a zombie pandemic from the WWZ killer combo of zombies and government incompetence
>>65416393>Minor flu like symptomsMillions of people died to COVID. Wasn't just 'old and sick people'. I hate being a medfag because I had to deal with retards like you coming into my ER complaining you can't breathe and being absolutely fucking adamant it wasn't COVID while my hands were fucking red raw.
>>65416434>NUUUU STOPPING ME FROM CONTINUING MY MELTY MEANS THAT YOU'RE UPSET!
>>65416434I think some of the smaller holdouts couldn't be represented in the map.
>>65416449>I...I...if only I'd taken the vAckCine, I'm sorry science... Had a vars worthy negative response to my hekkin booster buddy. Got the coof anyway as did my triple boosted elderly father. Was a mild cold for both of us. >Inb4 the magic juice saved us By your reckoning how many marginalized biopic folx died due to a peaceful gatherings of solidarity? It's funny because you'd call a protest as a vector for a zombie outbreak some camp of the saints tier unreality despite it happening in real life.
Is the author a kike? The book relentlessly shills Israel.
>>65416401Emus took over.
>>65416475Yeah, he's Mel Brooks' kid and that is definitely why Israel is one of the few uninfected countries here >>65416052
>>65416475The book is actually somewhat anti-Zionist; in it the Israelis fight the Orthodox Israelis and save the Arabs
>>65416052Sitting in my cottage in the middle of nowhere in Lapland waiting for all of it to just blow over
>>65416489Well that's extremely zionist since the Israelis claim they're protecting Palestinians while murdering them every day. Shit, Israelis will assault and murders Orthodox Jews that don't want to participate in murdering Palestinians.
>>65416475Yes. But it's a product of its time in the 2000s where burgerfats thought Israelis were hyper competent supersoldiers.See the orgy with Ann Coulter in WWZ
>>65416219Hug a zombie
Ok smoke of you fucks need to explain how artillery is NOT a problem because yes the fuck it would splat the shit out of the same number of zombies and humans.They aren't emus, they still need muscle and shit. You can do good work swiss cheesing or over pressuring them.
>>65416192I am still amazed at his self-restraint when he mentions infection through sex with a zombie, while assumed, has never been tested with a captured specimen.
I remember having this as my wallpaper age ago.I liked the book well enough, but it's just above-average zombie shlock in a (back then) novel format.
>>65415130>>65415142I liked it too. I must've read it like a dozen times back in HS.My favorite part was actually that one chapter about "Arthur Sinclair" and his Destres Organization and what it might take to repair society once the chaos settledTad offtopic, but play CDDA. It's a great zombie survival game. Full on autism sim
>>65416110Anon,
>>65416242That is not what they said.
>>65416983Fag
>>65417090the root beer example was ahead of its time
>>65416050this never happened
>>65416888Because Brooks zombies are magic perpetual motion machines that can only be stopped by destroying the brain. And since they can only be stopped by destroying the brain, anything else might as well be useless in Brook’s eyes.
>>65415760At last I truly see...
>>65417294That applies to all zombies that are undead.
>>65416473>biopic folx died due to a peaceful gatherings of solidarityNTA but what does that have to do with anything you schizo idiot
>>65414364Probably the best way to do it is logistics collapse combined with constant relentless attrition. Probably also better make zombie blood and/or breath super infectious so that close melee is basically out of the question.
>>65417570How does the undead zombie move if the structures under the skin that exist to make it move are severed by arty shrapnel? Or blown off as half rotten jellypaste by blast pressure?
>>65418440Because shut up, you didn’t remove the brain!t. Max Brooks. Probably.
>>65418440See this is exactly the shit. Max Brooks is completely flummoxed by higher brain thought. Like... the 2D man can't walk at a right angle or see the 3d world. He perceives line segments.Max can't reason more than one step down the road.Are all you fanboys really going to defend being retarded as a character sheet Perk?
>>65415964I'd give the T-Virus a pass. It can infect damn near anything, which can in turn pass it on. Imagine an infected bird making it into a city water supply, or getting eaten by an animal somewhere and starting the whole cycle over again. They don't touch on mosquitos, but that's a real possibility, which is incredibly bad.
>>65414364>have the US military be shown in a bad light>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE IT'S SHIT WRITING I COULD'VE SOLO'D ALL THOSE ZOMBIES MYSELF
>>65414477Son of Mel Brooks. A nepo baby. His first zombie book wasn't even a novel more like a random guide he threw together while stoned.
>>65418500everyone was retarded in it though except a certain tribe
>>65417656>N...n...nta btw You seethed initially about this comment m8 >>65416393 keep up while hoping the thread sunsets
>>65416983Nice wallpaper anon>>65415307thats a way better aproach and also correlates with the political drama behind scenes pointed later in the book>>65415201for me that always was some senator friend or some similar parasite making money by selling a "zombie gun" like the vaccines guy, at that point everyone would have the experience to deal with the zombies so the gun would make no diference at all>>65416052Chile should be all yellow except for Santiago, there is only 2 places flat ant thats the capital and the north and the north is a freaking desert, the zombies there would be dry meat in a day or 2>>65416067full of mountains and ravines, not good for the zombies
>>65414364All I'm reading is>how can this tribe writer make US soldiers more likely to fire on US citizens by making everyone think of their neighbors as zombies instead of people?You can make it better by just being honest with the goal of using the DoW against Americans, but taking it just to the logical conclusion of turning the troops into an occupying force who decides to make the DoW a dictatorial government of its own.Then the loss won't seem as confusing, because everyone know Americans have rednecks and welding torches.
>>65418440Watsonian answer: "we don't know"Doylist answer: it has to be that way for zombies to make sense, so like all FTL SF, he just handwaved it>>65418588and the guide was so popular that people were talking about it for years, it became a meme, and there was huge demand for WWZ
>>65418440>move if the structures under the skin that exist to make it move are severed by arty shrapnel?They aren't necessarily, like if zombie receaves a spinal injury that leaves them unable to move their legs they'll just crawl. >Or blown off as half rotten jellypaste by blast pressure?In that case they would die however the impact of the blast pressure was lessend by congealed blood (to a lesser extent) and also do to the fact that the horde was massive (numbering in the millions).
>>65419185>lessend by congealed blood See, this right here's the problem. It's so very midwit. It's trying to have both realistic explanations living alongside silly stuff like a human body that doesn't breathe or circulate blood but it still walks around. A zombie is a perpetual motion engine.If you've got rabies or bioweapon zombies that are still alive but act monstrous, that's fairly reasonable. And you can have magic zombies that are reanimated dead. But you can't have both if you're trying to sell it as serious. He explains realism with fantasy answers and fantasy with realism answers and it doesn't hold up to scrutiny.
>>65419221>If you've got rabies or bioweapon zombies that are still alive but act monstrous, that's fairly reasonable. And you can have magic zombies that are reanimated dead. But you can't have both if you're trying to sell it as serious.You absoluetly can have both, hell that's what makes the concept interesting and scary. All you have to do is engage with the idea that you (and humanity as a whole) don't have a perfect understanding of the world and that something would normaly be considered impossible is in fact possible.
>>65414386Desiccated hands wrote that post
>>65419289No, because you wind up with silly shit like "zombies survive artillery because their blood is coagulated" which is the dumbest shit I've ever heard and simply invites more questions, none of which he can actually answer. There's fun to be had in explaining unrealistic stuff, this isn't that, this is the worst of both worlds and it's reading a fucking stupid story with an "erm, acshually!" tone.
>>65419590They didn't survive artillery because their blood is coagulated, that was just one of many factors that made it less effective in comparison to humans.
>>65419289>interestingLol. LMAO even
>>65419601Yes
>>65419289>We did it reddit!
>>We did it reddit!
>>65414364>or would you scrap it and replace it with different scenario?You need different way Zombification works in to make military ineffective. Zombie bite is not something what would be treat to organised groups. Zombification should be done in way it disturb such groups from inside, including command structures
>>65414376badly written doesnt begin to describe max brooks, the king god of hebrew nepotism.
>>65416067the homeless ate the zombies and stole their info to get more free shit from social services.
>>65414925More like people complain that military only use small arms on monster or forget they anything with armor penetration capabilities
>>65414925Also being retarded is less problem on it's own. Problem is that book is not some typical zombie apocalypse fun story but pretending to be serious documentary. People have higher expectation for something like that
>>65415069>>65415964It also made zombie eating brains cliche interesting, scary and sad even. (This movie invented that so it would be more fitting to say that later stories and parodies made concept silly)
>>65416393Top kek at the unintentional irony in this anon's post>>65418732>DoWNice newspeak you fragile conformist queer Anyway, zombies are fucking retarded cultural concept, they never make sense, the inherent problems are never solved, and always amount to "uhhh necromancy but virus!!!!"Zombie fiction should die and never be resurrected
>>65419778>the inherent problems are never solvedThey don't need to be because most people can engage with the idea that zombies can operate in ways beyond our understanding (although it's really not that hard to envision some theories).
>>65419289>All you have to do is engage with the idea that you (and humanity as a whole) don't have a perfect understanding of the world and that something would normaly be considered impossible is in fact possible.Yes, you can handwave shit like that, all SF media which contains FTL does thatBut you also can't blame people for preferring not to accept that level of handwaviumChacun a son gout>>65419221>you can't have both if you're trying to sell it as seriousYou can, because all SF and fantasy (whichever genre WWZ is in) must necessarily involve a certain degree of handwaviumThe question "to what degree" is determined by its peersAnd for what it’s worth, WWZ was the most serious/"realistic" zombie media at the time of its publishing, relative to all other zombie media>>65419778Just ignore the troll lol
The Green Flu should be near the top of zombie viruses with actual extinction level potential. And all that because of two simple reasons:>Carriers make quarantining impossible without rigorous testing, for which there is no time.>IT MUTATES FUCKING DAILYGood luck setting up a cure for a virus the blueprint of which changes every day. All the while masses of healthy survivors just keep turning for no reason.It's an honest to god miracle CEDA was able to nail down any info at all about the green flu.
>>65414389Insanely underrated post
>>65414364Zombies are not a significant threat to US civilians or any society outside of Africa. We would just spend a week of so killing them then anyone next door that pissed us off (my ex wife/that nigger/that guy i owe money was a zombie!) then go about our daily lives. It isn't a plausible scenario and they are not plausible opponents. Even fast zombies, we would just kill them.
>>65415752At the right distance a thermobaric bomb will pop your lungs like most bombs will along with any other hollow organ.
>>65414364>How would you change it so biggest us military fail in war against zombies looked more believable. or would you scrap it and replace it with different scenario?I'd make the zombies extremely fast like in the movies.
>>65419825More importantly the zombies are a rage virus variant so apparently they still eat and drink water. The mutant variants are smart enough to keep going through the town looking for survivors while the common types go from watering hole to watering hole. I image 3 weeks tops before the common either mutate to something else or drop dead from exhaustion.
>>65422284I think if they're too weak many people would rape the zombies and get infected. On the other hand if they're strong (more infectious) it would take a greater level of discipline to survive which the avrage person does not posses.
It frustrates me that I have a near-obsession with zombie media yet the vast, vast majority of it is kinda garbage. I'm down to raiding proverbial dumpsters by reading self-published (pre-slop) novels from amazon to get my hit. Main problems are zombie series that start kinda okay but 2-3 books in quality starts rapidly deteriorating. The main character is always a practically omnicompetent camera with no personality too.
>>65423788What would you say are the best aspects of zombie media?
>>65423881Early shock, breakdown of society, problem solving. The last part especially, the minutiae of counting bullets, reinforcing entrances, counting down cans of food, that stuff tickles my brain just right. It's why I start to fall off from long form stories when they solve their immediate problems and it becomes too much of a "crazy warlord of the week" drama and zombies take a back seat.
>>65414364Make the zombie virus a STD
No one has mentioned the trenches at the Battle of YonkersIn the book muh cold war generals order everyone into trenches that allow the zombies to catch soldiers. Obviously we need to suspend some realism for fiction but that one really bothered me. Trench warfare wasn't even the desired meta in WW1 let alone post Gulf War US. 1968 Night of the Living Dead is a far more realist example of human grade zombies.>>65423997Considering there is already PrEP resistant HIV..............
>>65424148Trenches are a way to occupy soldiers time and increase their protection from attacks and observation no matter the "meta". Being in a hole is always better protection from usual threats than not being in a hole. Holes in the ground didn't go anywhere in Cold War planning, they still had engineers creating defensive positions and tank defilades. Yonkers was a defensive action after all.
>>65422284Euros had castles and swordsBook makes it pretty clear those are way better than a SUV full of PSA daily deal 40rd Magpulls
>>65414364>How would you change it so biggest us military fail in war against zombies looked more believable.have zombie-ism caused by a vaccine forced on the soldiers so that there is no military left to fight them I thought of this scenario pre-covid, and it is why zombie moves tend to start a few weeks into the breakout because there's no other reason the military cant handle it i mean fuck it if bombs arnt working, run through the hord in tanks
>>65424159>Being in a hole is always better protection from usual threats than not being in a holeFor something conventional sure. Zombies? Get to a high solid structure with an assload of ammo is all you need
>>65424194A fence and a .22 is all you needWeld a steel cage to the back of a pickup and give the guy back there a can of ammo and a cleaning kit and you can kill a functionally unlimited number of zombies
>>65424159Guess the book hasnt been scanned yet for the bots.
>>65424194>For something conventional sure. Zombies?That's part of the "outdated tactics by retarded generals" part of Yonkers, I'm not saying it's not dumb. I'm just arguing against the point that trench digging disappeared or was disfavored at some point after WW1. It's just a defensive alignment.
>>65424148Yeah, that also bothers the shit out of me. Other than the fact that “muh generals trying to fight the last war” is a cop out argument in general, in this specific case it’s extra retarded, since I’m pretty sure Cold War planners had a bit more in mind than “we build one defensive line with no fallback positions, only have enough artillery ammunition for one barrage, the Air Force only has one strike that occurs too late to be useful, we invited the press out to watch, oh and we didn’t bother to do any recon whatsoever”If anything, that would be more applicable to vets of GWOT than Cold War warriors.
>>65414364>How would you change it so biggest us military fail in war against zombies looked more believable. or would you scrap it and replace it with different scenario?The battle itself is unrealistic but the situation as a whole makes sense once you realize most people, including the military, become functionally retarded during emergency situations. This country would absolutely fall apart from WWZ style zombies and anyone who says otherwise thinks people are way more competent than they really are.>military overstretched and exhausted trying to provide nationwide disaster relief AND quarantine enforcement AND kill zombies>first responders decimated by being at ground zero with little to no applicable training>desertion in both of the above categories because people are going to put their immediate family first when shit starts really hitting the fan>The government turning zombies into a political issue and getting deadlocked when immediate action is needed most>doomsday preppers and religious nuts going crazy because the end is nigh>supply chains absolutely fucked, food and fuel shortages are going to hit hard>electricity and water won't be far behind when workers just stop showing up>social media fearmongers and influencers muddying the waters and stirring people up>every overconfident retard thinking they're gonna rambo the horde with a baseball bat and a .22 and getting eaten for it>people hiding their infection, or falling for stupid folk remedies, or getting bit because they can't bring themselves to hurt zombie grandma, etc.>normies lynching people pogrom style for suspected infectionsThe majority of this country lives in urban areas and has like $100 in savings, no water, no skills, and a week of food in the pantry. Their disaster plans consist of "it won't happen here" and "the government will take care of me". They will be dead before it even really starts.
>>65414573>Muh /pol/!
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>>65424520/pol/ is normie central
>>65424396Glad someone agreesHad he just skipped the commentary about it....Alas he isnt half as good as his father, and he sure liked to get on the podium.
>>65415799>fighting zombies>notice/realize only headshots kill them permanently >notice/realize every person who dies rises as undead unless their brain is severely damaged/destroyed>pic related on every death>1 or 2 9mm or a knife or blunt instrument or whatever>someone dies, bash their brains in>ordinance already liquefies all internal organs within effective blast radiusThe only way viral/infection zombie apocalypse wins is through repeated and constant zombie movie trope of >Jimmy! What're you doing? I saw you die. You're pulse is 0. Your temperature is room temperature. And you are not responding to any forms of communication. All you're doing is moaning, groaning and trying to attack any and all humans within reach. I'm going to try to hug and embrace you to make you remember your humanity! OMG JIMMY IS BITING ME! HOW COULD I HAVE EVER SEEN THIS HAPPENING?!times infinity.
>>65425401>>pic related on every deathwrong pic
>>65415069Left 4 Dead's Green Flu is a decent scenario too>zombie virus is airborne>only people who are "immune" are actually carriers>carriers infect and turn everyone around them who aren't carriers themselves
>>65424472Exactly, everyone always forget that retards are gonna act like retards and fuck everyone around them, like imagine this:>karen screaming and making noise because shes a karen>you told her to stfu and her husband plus more karens show to defend her>all that noise is atracting a horde >the horde is finally here >they just jump towards your house because is the only "secure" place >they start ripping your defencesnow imagine this in like every 5 out of 10 groups/comunities/neighborhoods, yeah the country is fucked, now add boomers, "Macho man" wanabes and bithes making drama just because
>>65414790Necromancer should just animate the skeletons while they're still inside someone.
>>65414364>World War ZEven as a teenager in the 2000s I knew that book was unadulterated slop. In general zombie media involving viruses and le heckin science to explain why zombies exist seems to always devolve into uninteresting magical bullshit reasons for why shooting them doesn't kill them and main character arcs devolve into searching for canned beans while occasionally killing each other because some fucking reason the only way to kill the animated magical bullshit virus corpse is to run up and bonk it in the head because reasons.
>>65414395>artillery was utterly useless because zombies don't care about blast and are only harmed by fragmentationartillery is primarily lethal because of fragmentation
>>65419809The real issue is that you can't have a handwave while also writing extensively about how the handwave works in a way that is heavily grounded with reality. Brooks goes out of his way to sabotage suspension of disbelief by extensively detailing the virus and its effects on the human body to the point where the questions get so pointed they're unignorable. Sometimes the Heisenberg compensators work just fine and you need to leave it at that.>>65424171You can still make it work. How many military installations are near your house and how many troops are stationed there with a MOS that would help with fighting zombies? For most of America, and the world, the answer is "not many" to both. Which I think is an unexamined route to take zombie literature, it's not a zombie apocalypse but it might as well be for you. >>65424288>>65424396At the time the book was written they'd be filling HESCOs, which would also be much more effective at slowing down zombies. >>65424520>Having failed to convince the other boards that they were white, /pol/ now attempts to convinced them they're the real 4chan.
>>65427203>You can still make it work. How many military installations are near your house and how many troops are stationed there with a MOS that would help with fighting zombies? marine base an hour away, army base 3 hours awaymost citys have national guard armories plus we have the most heavily armed populace in the history of the world. there's going to be the delay were people dont believe in zombies but the faster they spread the shorter that delay
>188 posts later and it's almost like the 'people' who like this can't do anything but confirm they're easily refuted retards with no idea how anything works. >Almost like the author they keep sucking off.
>>65423532>many people would rape the zombies and get infected.Sadly that is a thing that would happen, especially in cities. Brings up the question: If they are fresh and don't rot besides incidental damage if they were restrained there would be any issue with fucking them if you used a condom? WWZ has ignored a obvious fetish that would happen IRL.>>65424168Chain mail, shark suits or safety outfits for people who use chainsaws would be good. MOPP suits would be useful as well. I have a set of heavy flame proof firefighters coveralls, as long as i had something like a chain mail coif, a ATV helmet and a axe or my home depo bill hook i think if you put me sober on a football field with 100 of them on the other end i'd have a decent chance of winning. Either that or i'd die of a heart attack and/or heat stroke. In that case i come back as the Zombified version of the Terminator who is always really pissed off because i can't open the faceplate of my ATV helmet to eat brains. Eh, eventually i'd figure it out even as a zombie. Someone would eventually open up the helmet by shooting me in the face with birdshot so i can axe them, eat their sweet, sweet brains and go find my GF Trash from Return of the Living Dead. I'd even bring her a few spare heads as a girt.
>>65414364https://www.the-sietch.com/index.php?threads/zombies-apocalypses-and-notpocalypses.15676/WWZ zombies could only be a threat in America after a massive seizure of civilian weapons. Otherwise, 100 million people opening fire all over the country would prevent the hordes from ever growing big enough to matter.
>>65415142You should check out Zephon. Civilization-like turn based strategy set in apost apocalyptic Earth after a war between alien invaders and an AI that no one knows who built it. Every dlc has added two new commanders(you pick a Commander at the start of the game and each one has a story you can choose to pursue)and the most recent one has one of the commanders be a pair of astronauts that were on an orbiting space station when the aliens invaded. One of the things this gives you as a gameplay bonus is you don't have fog of war, because you are looking down at the whole battlefield from space.
>zombies arrive>everyone just locks their front doors and waitsWhat the fuck do zombies even do about this? Even under the worst cases of poor planning, most people can at least stretch a pack of sausages and a couple coke bottles full of water for a week.
>>65427982It depends on whether the zombies are magical perpetual motion machine zombies as some media depicts them.
>>65415975>Russians>Raping womenNot very believable tbqhwyf. I'm sure there would be lots of rape but I doubt the repopulation would go as well as planned.
>>65427203>you can't have a handwave while also writing extensively about how the handwave works in a way that is heavily grounded with realityso you find the entire SF genre not up to your requirements for believability, that's alrightlots of readers do, for the past hundred years of popular fiction
>>65428034>so you find the entire SF genre not up to your requirements for believability, that's alright>lots of readers do, for the past hundred years of popular fictionDescribing a fantastical technology that may or may not be possible is different than a "virus" that magically reanimates the dead and turns them into killing machines that don't need to breath and are invulnerable to any attack that doesn't hit them in the head for some fucking reason.
>>65428209Don't forget they get all the benefits of being dead as they don't need to breathe and their coagulated blood makes them immune to shock, but don't worry about how they power their muscles. The trick with writing far out scifi is leaving some things unspoken and working around it with the bits you do want to speak about. Just don't bring that bit up! Maybe the humans don't know how they function and we're not sure. But then you confirm that, yup, they don't breathe and their blood doesn't move. This is not a good thing. You're answering simple questions with things that beg more incredulous questions.
>>65428209>Describing a fantastical technology that may or may not be possiblethere is no "may or may not", dipshit, so far as we know FTL is magic, period>a "virus" that magically reanimates the dead and turns them into killing machines that don't need to breath and are invulnerable to any attack that doesn't hit them in the head for some fucking reasonart thou mad? tis long past mortal ken that man shouldst extend the span of life fourscore and more years upon this earth! nay, methinks this necromancer consorteth with demons, whence camest this unnatural long-livedness! burn this sorceror at the stake!you may find zombies unbelievable, but many were happy to suspend disbelief enough that WWZ was actually a popular and much-demanded sequel to ZSGadmittedly, both our lines of reasoning may be fallacious, but on the fallacy hierarchy, appeal to popularity trumps your personal incredulity every time>>65428231>Just don't bring that bit up!lolevery single FTL SF media brings it up. readers and viewers just all agree not to question too deeply.with zombies, go and do likewise
>>65414364Zombies should never be made biological, by that, I mean, the author should never try to scientifically explain them. Zombies should always be supernatural or demonic, making it a virus is lame, gay and frankly not scary. Supernatural zombie that can move unnaturally, organize, shit talk and not die are far more terrifying and actually apocalyptic.
>>65428034>lots of readers doMillions of people bathe in sewage my brown friend, that doesn't mean that it's a good idea
>>65428244No that's retarded. Just suspend your disbelief like with any other sci fi story.
>>65428654>Pretend it's good and then you'll like it
>>65416449Nta but I had covid right when that "new deadly killer strain" was going round. It was like a mild version of the flu, and I spent two weeks playing STALKER Call of Pripyat and painting minis.Unvaxxed, before you claim anything.
>>65428244it's just retarded if you have a basic grasp of physics desu
>>65418590The Choctaw?
>>65416052Will PEI, Cape Breton and Newfoundland form a union?
>>65428233>every single FTL SF media brings it upThere's a difference between handwaving or dismissing further investigation and actually confirming you have insane wonky crazy things happening and will be taking no further questions. A wormhole is fine, people get it and move on. Saying that spaceships just fly at the speed of light is begging for interrogation.
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>>65431009go search for and post the scientific proof proving wormholes lead to other places, I'll waitno, don't bother, you can'tall the math for FTL travel wormholes depends on violating different parts of the usual physics modelsin fact in some respects, some kinds of FTL travel might be more realistic because you can get there by violating less physics, i.e. just make fusion easierin much the same way, you can write "realistic" zombies, if you knowingly violate certain biological functions>>65431022I didn't watch this movie and don't understand this meme, explain please?
>>65414377What I would do is make the zombie virus initially get spread by vaccine which was originally given to the military. Kind of a Gulf War Syndrome type of thing.
>>65428658ESL hands typed this.
>>65415964Also spreads to pinned butterflies.The movie didn't follow the concept up to its ultimate consequence, but we'd be looking at insects swarming everything to eat their brains.
>>65414364The way I can plausibly imagine those kind of zombies posing any threat to anyone would be like in a crowded Asian megacity like Tokyo or Hong Kong, and even then, I'm sure the nations respective militaries could deal with it pretty easy.
>>65415260I mean have you tried ever chewing through cammies? Its really hard to, to say nothing of the MOPP4 the guys were actually in
You really want to get maximum saturation, just have it contaminate Sodexo shipments. Everyone who eats at a prison mess hall, DFAC, and school cafeteria will be infected, and it'll spread like wildfire from there. Hell, given the regular (poor) quality of the food, nobody will notice until it's too late.
>>65431252>You really want to get maximum saturation, just have it contaminate Sodexo shipmentsheh>Hell, given the regular (poor) quality of the food, nobody willeat it, so nobody gets infectedcheckmate
>>65414376>>65419696: (It's listening to a ten year old try to be talking like a big person. The book/movie is stupid gay ass shit. The scene of the Israelis saving the Muslims. The zombies attacking at close range. Use of only small arms weapons the whole time.
>>65431425headshotting zombies by metronome was also fucking stupidinfantry squares were a good idea thoincendiary bullets also, but 5.56mm? lmaoif he'd made the standard anti-zombie rifle subsonic 0.50cal incendiary it would've made more sense
>>65431435There was zero military zombie death squad action it was all gay ass shit
>>65431031>go search for and post the scientific proof proving wormholes lead to other places, I'll waitThat's what I'm saying. It's a quick little lie to get where you need to be, not some bloated, over explained midwit garbage that makes it less credible.Nothing he did would be wrong if he kept it quick and dropped the "erm acshually" tone. But he didn't, and now he's fair game to pick apart when a much smarter writer would just focus on something else.
>>65431449>not some bloated, over explained midwit garbage that makes it less credible.Neither was his explanation of zombie biology.
>>65431448there was one (1) action sequence for the fight to take back Americaeverything else was written from the perspective of what newsies call "human interest stories"
>>65427982Lmao dude did everyone just forget how retarded everyone was during covid? We had people stabbing eachother over toilet paper and doing daily grocery runs while the people doing said runs genuinely believed the virus would murder them. The tactics the military employed at yonkers may have been unrealistically dumb, but society breaking down because the average person is a gigantic emotional retard is 110% accurate.
>>65431544Maybe, but consider this:I can’t shoot Covid.I CAN shoot zombies.
>>65415799You do logistics the same way you do now. They're walking corpses, anon, by given retard can kill any number of them with ease. Even without guns, it's not hard to slam an axe or bat into the head of someone who's shambling at you and not actually trying to avoid the hit.
>>65431905>You do logistics the same way you do now.You can't because there would be too much chaos.>by given retard can kill any number of them with ease. Like hell.>Even without guns, it's not hard to slam an axe or bat into the head of someone who's shambling at you and not actually trying to avoid the hit.With guns it would be difficult to aim for the head while with melee you risk getting infected with blood spatter alone.
>>65423997It's already a porno
>>65432053>Like hellLet me guess, you're overweight, don't work out, and have never been in a fight?>DifficultNoguns detected. Hitting heads at moderate ranges is fucking easy when they're literally just walking at you.>Muh splatterCover your face
>>65432053>blood spatterWhat now?
>>65432529Obviously, the magic zombie blood phases through the mask, because being intelligent is verboten in the zombie apocalypse.
>>65432514>Let me guess, you're overweight, don't work out, and have never been in a fight?I mean that's what the average civilian would be like especially in America.>Hitting heads at moderate ranges is fucking easy when they're literally just walking at you.That would only be true if it's like one zombie and there's nothing else to distract you durring a mass panic. Even then it would depend on what weapons you have, if a human can survivie withouth parts of the brain then so can a zombie. >Cover your face>>65432529Most people will not have the foresight to do this in the early days durring a panic.
>>65432772>if a human can survivie withouth parts of the brain then so can a zombie.And here we go with the goalpost shifting
>>65431398Millions do this daily despite how bad it is, be it because they're prison inmates, enlisted stuck on post/broke as fuck, and/or students eating free lunch programs, and have no other choice. Just a tiny portion of these getting infected spreads like wildfire in the close confines of a barracks, prison, or school. Take that as you will.
>>65433462No you just didn't think things through and now you're mad.
For me WWZ is basically this pic
>>65433621So you like it as long as you aren't made aware of its flaws? Are you capable of thinking for yourself?
>>65433621Little Caesars is tasty
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>>65435016$$$ amount is = to "flavor" in a lot of women's minds. Unfortunately. Little Caesar's Hot n Ready $5 Pizza, in the average, basic bitch's mind = dough made from dog shit, cheese from an emaciated goat,tomatoes sourced from ketchup and toppings bought from a dumpster.The modern "basic bitch" is the worst kind of woman. Can't keep their own place clean. Doesn't know a single recipe, even those passed down through family lines. Can't cook anything beyond "microwave X for Y minutes/seconds" Anything and everything is tied to dollars spent. No regard for a future. No regard for a life beyond their own pleasure. No sense of building for future generations, children, grandchildren, great grandchildren, etc, etc.You could find a food cart on a night out that serves the best, tastiest food imaginable. But once she sees that it "only cost" $5 for the both of you, resentment builds. Basic bitches are incapable of enjoying life's simple pleasures. Their enjoyment is directly tied to the monetary value of WHATEVER. Makes me thankful for my gf. I can spend a day fishing and come back with a mess of pan fish or walleye. We've got enough meat for months and months and all it costs is time + $40.>$40 per fishing season>each season yields dozens of pounds of fresh fish fillets>~$35 for a deer license in my state>single deer provides enough meet for 6 months to a yearStop going after basic bitch, city slicker women with no sense of actual survival. They're never satisfied. They are the embodiment of at least 3-4 or more deadly sins. >Pride>Greed>Lust>Envy>Gluttony>Wrath>SlothHard in today's world, but find yourself a woman who doesn't embody half or more of the 7 Deadly Sins. You have to hold yourself to the same standard though. 1 or 2 is fine, it can be worked on. Reasoned with. But an absolute demon of a woman is 200% not worth the effort.
I think NMRIH had zombies right. You have the initial infection which spreads through water or other means. These infected go mad and turn into runners en masse. Forming an initial "shock" wave which can quickly shatter organized resistance and cohesion. Then you have the lingering "shamblers" once the runners break down. Who operate as obstacles towards reconveneing but are not insurmountable on their own.
>>65435940I'm a wizard who has never spoken to a woman in an informal setting so your advice is wasted on me
>>65435016>So you like it as long as you aren't made aware of its flaws?I like it regardless, the meme is more about you acting like a moody wife, the kind that makes a mountain out of a molehill.
>>65414364World War Z has a theme - the theme is that American Liberal Democracy Reigns Supreme. Everything in the book happens in order to reinforce that theme - the zombie virus originates in China; despotic countries and isolationists holed up in fortified compounds are all overrun; even though Queen Elizabeth in England gets a sympathetic depiction with her leading the British resistance from Windsor Castle, once the zombie war is over the survivors immediately depose her and Britain becomes a republic. The Battle of Yonkers is completely illogical and unrealistic and makes zero sense as an actual military engagement - the notion that masses of zombies can somehow soak up and dilute the effect of bombs is arrant nonsense. Again, though, the events are forcibly bent to be in service to the theme - Yonkers is meant to assert tha\t America is contaminated by top-down bureaucracy, how the civil-service establishment and going through the motions of unimaginative set practices, how it was complacent and insulated and didn't take the threat seriously. Only by humiliating and destroying the organisations weighing down the country could America become nimble and experimental and truly Democratic again and so defeat the zombies.
>>65435940The underlying premise of this is ridiculous. Little ceasers has made leaps and bounds of improvement with their pizzas in the last several years. While only some of these improvements have been applied to the $5 hot and ready it is still a vastly superior product to the $5 H&R of the 2010s. Frankly sticking to the $5 H&R is just too big of an ask given the state of inflation and cost of ingredients, it's simply unfair to compare a $5 product in the current year to a $5 product from 15 or more years ago. A much more reasonable comparison given the relative buying power of the USD in current year vs the 2010s let alone 2000s would be the extra most bestest pepperoni. The EMBP is usually priced at $7.99 or $8.99 depending on locality and is an objectively superior pizza to the higher priced basic pepperoni pies of effectively all other national chains. Little ceasers has had a truly impressive glow up, beating out pappa johns, dominos, and Pizza Hut in both price and quality.
>>65439499>once the zombie war is over the survivors immediately depose her and Britain becomes a republic.you just made that shit up nigga. it's precisely of her actions monarchy in britain politically survived zombie war and GB remained a constitutional monarchy. Also how they could depose her when it's heavily implied in books that she died during war>despotic countries and isolationists holed up in fortified compounds are all overrunrussia remains a dictatorship with God Emperor Putin as its leader...
>>65431252The Last Of Us TV series did it like that, cordyceps spores contaminated a major flour mill supplying a large part of the world
>>65440203I remember that. The main characters don't get infected because they ate eggs that morning instead of pancakes, and the neighbors made biscuits before turning into clickers.
>>65414364The coolest part of WWZ is zombies existing historically and pre-historically but the zombies themselves are basically magic who get far cause of plot
>>65435940Only fags fuck womenz.
>>65414364I hate this book because it's a hollywood rewriteI love this book because it BTFO's "Historical accounts" of WWII by replaying all the tropes (except innocent german/french prostitutes lamo)
>>65414573Dunking on no guns fags is a good thing. SDN and SB fags get laughed out of /k/ because they don't know shit and we're MORE autistic than those troons, not because knowing what you're talking about is a bad thing.
>>65414711>“we have enough food and ammunition for fourteen days of continuous fire. It is now day twenty nine. And this scene is repeating all over the country. Atlanta. Las Vegas. Los Angeles. San Diego. Seattle. Washington DC. They keep diverting all our resupplies elsewhere. I haven’t slept in seventy hours”How many billions of zombies are you imagining this military is up against again?
listened to it recentlywhy the fuck does the author have such a boner for South Africa
>>65444362at the time of publishing, they were the Good Guys™ because they were abolishing apartheid and the niggers were going to show us how they can really turn it into IRL Wakanda with the infrastructure they inherited from the evil white colonials
You can't have zombies because:blood pathogen - spread like hell when you damage their rotten meat, ranged damage only, limited world projectile weapons and ammo.biologicals - connective tissue that makes the body work rots apart in 72 hours or lessvoodoo/spirit - supply end lack of demons available to possess the fleshiesevil scientist drug - irl evil scientists are retardedZombies don't work, can never work, and are bad writing.
>>65444639I like clever zombies, the sort that stalk people who ask strangers riddles before stealing/eating their toes.
