1974 Pietta .44 (brass) 1860 Army.I have slavshit rifles. I've owned 40-something rifles over my life, I've kept 6 consistently.I got this because I wanted *something*. I wanted a new different gun.QRD on this thing as a range toy, 4th or july noise maker, and can killer?Is there any hope of a kind of target shooting with this?Is it fun or will I shoot it half a dozen times and make a nice display instead?
I looked for a second at an inline muzzle loader. It failed the "cool" test. I did consider a kentucky long rifle meme kit though.
>>65415226it will do all of the above. for noise making on 4th of july just load powder with a wad or rolled up patch as a plug. its accurate enough to hit cans at 50 yards easily but the sights are shitty. get a 3 sided file or use a dremel and open the V notch of the hammer. your max load is somewhere over 35 grains but thats unneceessary for paper targets. i would load between 20-25 grains depending on what gives you the best accuracy. youll need some tools if you dont already have them like nipple wrench and screw drivers that fit each screw since cleaning involves taking it apart. welcome to the club anon. make or join a blackpowder club in your area to learn advice on the small details and tweaks of bp revolvers
You fucked up not buying the superior 1858 remington, which can also be converted to smokeless with conversion cylinders unlike the open top guns
>>65415299I feel like I could have fun if there was a social aspect yeah. I'll have to look around.I kind of assumed this would create another tackle box purchase, I'm in the middle of the tool shopping.Favorite primers? Thoughts about brands and grades of powder? Are there blank grips I can use with my creality laser, or will I be cutting those?>>65415317I have other guns. I want it for what it is, at most I'd consider some kind of old timey pistol sight or something.
>>65415226>Is there any hope of a kind of target shooting with this?its possible but you gotta be meticulous about it>Is it fun or will I shoot it half a dozen times and make a nice display instead?both probably you might really enjoy it or you might think spending an hour to shoot 18 rounds where most missed cause you couldnt figure out how to hold fucking sucked and its now a fun fidget toy. while some other gun is the go to range blaster.its not even cheap to shoot blackpowder compared to actual bullets when you price it out unless one component was "free"
>>65415226It's a cool and unique gun. I own one. It's pretty good for target shooting, and you can spin it on your finger while looking cool.
>>65415226Is that your picture? I can tell it's not .44 because the cylinder isn't rebated.
>>65415321yes you will need a handful of accessories and tools although revolvers require less than other muzzleloaders. youll want-felt wads-bore butter, tallow, or crisco-nipple wrench-small piece of wire or pin that fits through nipple hole-proper sized screwdrivers for the different size screws-balls, caps and powder-sturdy dowel or cleaning rod in case you squib-mineral oil or ballistol and anti-seize copper paste for nipples-extra trigger and bolt spring, extra bolt, extra mainspring, extra set of nipplesfavorite primers are whatever you can find and whatever fits your nipples best. for pietta using stock nipples thats probably remington 10. get yourself a slixshot set of nipples and the slixshot wrench. all the other cheap wrenches on the market youll find easily are made of weak soft steel that bends and breaks when nipples get frozen stuck. which is probably going to happen at some point as a noob who will forget to clean properly and it will rust.. ive been shooting blakpowder for maybe 20 years. its not rocket science but there are some quirks and best practices to learn. in a lot of ways maintenance and use is simpler than modern guns. literally just need water and sometimes soap for cleaning. what state are you in?
if you don't clean it after shooting, it will foul up, and you will have a paperweight. This shit leaves rusty gunk in your bore that's really easy to get rid of but will cake on there. scrub the jesus out of it with a wire brush and some ballistol. Pull that cylinder pin out, pull the cylinder, and spray everything out.
>>65415789treat it like a mosin firing corrosive ammo. use swiss or hodgdon 777 and clean it with hot water.
Black powder is fun. Part of the fun comes from being able to instantly dial up various charges and then try them instantly. Its like reloading and shooting put together.
When it comes to cleaning black powder, I have a question.So I have an 1851 navy I never shoot and a SAA clone. Part of the reason I never shoot BP is because of the cleanup. I remember an anon told me a while back something about boiling the gun in water? Is this a real practice?
>>65415934here is all you need to do. Pyrodex is semi corrosive in a bore if you shoot it and then expose it to water. If you don't immediately clean the powder buildup its not a big deal but if you are somewhere with moisture in the air you need to deal with it. Take dawn dish soap and water and mix it to like 4:1 or 5:1 water to dawn. Put that on cleaning patches and run it down the bore. The cylinder you need to take that same solution and then soak it in a cup or container and then blow it out with some compressed air. The frame can then be wiped down with a rag with more of the cleaning solution. Then run a few patches of a CLR or gun oil of some sort down the bore and wipe the rest of the gun with a rag and light gun oil. That is the magical secret to having a black powder firearm.
>>65415226They CAN be accurate and reliable but it will almost certainly take a lot of work and tinkering from you. I acquired a Uberti 1851 Navy this year and its taken all summer just to make it run reliably. Currently at almost 100 rounds in a streak with no ignition issues or cap jams so its looking good.
>>65415943Get a little paranoid about powder residue getting down in the frame. What about that? Is it necessary to take it all apart past the barrel and cylinder?
>>65415998ps. pro tips for cleaning:At range once you stop shooting: ballistol into all chambers and down barrel. It will neutralize the nasty chemicals.At home: hot water and dish soap into a plastic container. Disassemble the gun and put everything but the wooden grips in there. Yes EVERY screw and even unscrew the cylinder dipples. Thoroughly brush the dirtiest parts. Swap water and soup at least once. Rinse, remove filth with paper and let parts dry in lowest possible temperature convection oven as that will dry even the dead end screw holes.
>>65416004NTA but the brass parts dont give a fuck about bp residue but everything else does. One particularly vulnerable part is the tiny thin hand spring. You MUST clean the gun. You can get away not taking it fully apart if you only shoot 1 cylinder but even then you at very least must wipe away what you can and ballistol the insides to neutralize corrosive residues.Also ideally use real bp and not substitutes.
>>65416018hand springs are a wear item. I have had to replace a couple after 500-600 rounds on both of my brass frame 1858s. The replacements seem to not need further replacement.
>>65416018ps. and always clean bore and cylinder
>>65416028They are but why would you not clean them? What breaks the hand spring is the residue getting in the tiny cracks and holes on the spring
>>65416031I'd like some proofs about that. mainly because that has to be a flaw inherent to the original designs of these revolvers and I don't know if that was a contemporary problem.
>>65416044It is a design flaw. Its why many repros including of SAAs(iirc all Ubertis and Piettas and most if not all Rugers) swap the hand spring integrated in the hand assembly to a separate coil spring that can be taken out from the back of the frame behind a small screw.
>>65415586Stock photo, it is .44Would getting an ultrasonic be a good move here? Just "parts wash" the whole thing after a standard cleaning?Also chain firing... this sounds dumb but don't you use something like bacon fat to prevent that somehow (this is half remembered fuddlore),
>>65416260Any kind of non acidic, non salty grease or fat works. Vaseline. Many use beeswax and tallow. If possible avoid low melting point substances as those will melt away or get blown away when neighboring chambers fire. Those wax plugs also help with carbon and residue buildup in the barrel.
>>65416285I knew I had heard something I haven't gotten around to looking it up. I will most likely go book shopping for a reputable "I'm gay for BP pistols now" guide.As long as this is a nice moderate hobby. I don't want to end up like fly fishermen and golfers. My grandfather owned a 4 sensor and belt set to watch his swing analysis, I've never seen more autism than golf.
>>65416343The balls are slightly larger than chambers so they seal well when pressed in. But its not 100 % secure and the fire can also enter the chamber through the nipple fire holes in the back. Ive never seen a chainfire myself but they are a thing and can happen.Black powder shooting sure is step or two more autistic than others and besides attention to details you also need a lot of patience. But it can be rewarding too. There are even sports where these guns can compete in such as cas and the many black powder disciplines such as Mariette for cap and ball revolvers. In the very deep end theres even possibility to make cast bullets or balls, powder and caps by oneself and become independent of supply chains.
>>65416366I'd join a club and make firing components, sure. Cowboy dress up, probably not and I hate country music.No I think it sounds like a nice alternative to centerfire rifle.I pity the dumb urbanite felon that has to resort to this (no I don't lol).
>>65416366I'm assuming this is bottom tier but probably high quality because of the age and the fact that it looks NIB almost.But I'm making grips. I want to use my laser for something.
>>65415226Brass CB has a bad reputation for durability. The cylinder will eventually peen the frame to the point where it doesn’t work. There’s a labor intensive fix but most guys just replace the frame. Shooting light loads and loading the cylinder in a press will delay this.>>65415317Fuck off tourist.>>65415789>Pull that cylinder pin outOP has a Colt clone, you silly goose.>>65415934That was me and it was period correct in the field. Remove the stocks, field strip as far as you can, and boil it for a few minutes. Patch out the bore and chambers a few times with the boiling water. When you remove everything from the pot, the water will flash off more or less instantly. Hose everything down with a water displacing oil that’s compatible with BP (I use ballistol cut with water) and reassemble. BP residue is solvable in hot water, so why not make things easy?
>>65416427It's not worse than communist corrosive ammo. Those fags probably powdered hydrazine in it or some shit.I think the thought process is heat aided solution, then the oil barrier but cut Ballistol with water? My uninformed brain twitches at that since I'm displacing water already there?But it all seems cool. And I have to take back part of >>65416384as I actually like country as played by Dean Martin and the old hollywood types. Where I begin to despise it is Johnny Cash to today.
I was actually hesitant to make this thread because of the other "I'm blacker than midnight and a felon, can I shoot other future doctors with this one legal trick?" threads.Thanks for the time saving advice. Definitely getting an ultrasonic; I need it for so much other shit now. My airbrush is new to me and is a clog fucking nightmare and also prepping slot car parts for paint and shit like that is a new need I didn't know was going to be a thing.
is this about right? Kinda peaks out around 38 yards then falls out of the air like a rock?
>>65416528It's 35, 30 and 25 grain loads btw, sorry I forgot to include that.
>>65416572Bad ballistic coefficiency, relatively slow and terrible sights so yeah you dont want to shoot anything much further than 30 yards. But it still is a 148 grain .45 ball at 900 fps and it penetrates 24" of gel. You be the judge.
Am I cool enough for revolver general is is this not gay enough, or too gay?It is a BIG IRON...
>>65416366casting round ball is probably the least deep end of it. If you have access to lead I'd immediately buy a lead pot and a mold. You can reasonably cast more than you can shoot in 20-30 minutes
>>65416805all are welcome. Iver Johnson top breaks, Hopkins and Allen, Old Fowling shotguns, trade rifles, inline muzzleloaders, blackpowder revolvers. We can all hang out.
>>65416812I have the PPE, although every day is a good day to evaluate again.Bout to be a lot of wobbly fuckin cars around here then lol.
>>65415317You can do that with Colts too, it's not too much longer.
Should I just online order real black powder if bp alternatives are even rare in person near me?
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>>65417437Hazard fees it is
>>65415934thats a real practice but not necessary. boiling it in water can give it flash rust and i wouldnt do it unless your fouling was so hard because you neglected it and stuck that nothing else worked. regular temperature water is enough to dissolve and soften carbon and your cleaning should start at the range when you use lube because that will keep the fouling soft and easy to clean. if you run your blackpowder gun dry the dry hard carbon gets caked on like a duracoat finish and requires more time and effort to clean. use ballistol and tallow at the range and your range sessions will last longer and cleanup will be easier>>65415943>>65416004>>65416018people shit on brass frames but i like them because you dont have to clean as thoroughly to worry about rust in all the crevices. the main thing to know is that rust wont happen if you have oil protecting the gun. so if you are lazy or cant deal with the cleaning right away then keep the gun sprayed down in ballistol and it wont rust. you can come back to it a month later and clean it if you want and there wont be any rust. ballistol is literally jsut mineral oil
>>65416260just get a plastic tub or bucket and fill it with water and dunk your gun components in there to wash it after removing the wood grips. you are starting to sound like a helpless zoomer who needs literally everything written out. get some old toothbrush and nylon bore brush and rags and patches and clean that shit. do you think the armies of the north stopped to fucking plug in their ultrasonic cleaner each night at camp???
>>65417609Ballistol is purely organic and biodegradeable. Its even safe to digest in small quantities. And since it works for wooden parts too you can spray it on any gun part without worry.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlAvFocRXEY&
>>65416260bacon fat is full of salt. >>65416572you can get conical rounds if sniping at 200 yards with your black powder tiny hammer notch sights civil war replica revolver is really important to you
>>65417654I'd want to try anything it could possibly do. Even if it will live as a can killer.How's standard RemOil? Good enough for storage wipedown?
>>65416427>why not make things easy?Makes sense to me. Thanks anon. If I ever decide to try it again I’ll do this.
I suppose I should re-read the old blueing stuff.This is the actual OP purchase btw, My gun safe is in the music room. If anyone cares I run Akai APC, Donner B1, Uno Drum and Uno Synth through PC and the mini PAhandles the computer sound channel and the mixed analog synths channel.
AND THEN FORGOT PIC.Idiotarded, I swear.
>>65417648i really love it. i found out it also has an added alkaline salt to help neutralize acids that cause rust. i use it as a general lube for around the house shit too. creaky door hinges, locks, lawnmower parts. its great and doesnt have the many carcinogens in most penetrant oils and solvents. just gotta be careful about inhaling it when aerosolized but thats true of all oils even cooking oils. thats why i prefer the liquid non spray version for most stuff but i keep a spray can for when you need to get into tight spots
>>65416427>>65417609What was the historical oil for use on black powder revolvers? Or did they just run them dry back then?
>>65417670yes its fine. i used to use remoil on a bp revolver when it was all i had at the time and it worked just fine. but i used it as a protectant after cleaning with water not a lube during range sessions
>>65417684thats an 1858 remington clone with a steel frame not a brass colt like you posted originally. in that case you can up the charges i suggested to 30-35 grains. also you have much better sights and the sights are part of the frame so ignore the tips to widen the hammer notch. the 1858 can get bogged down pretty easily with fouling compared to the colts. you might get 2 or 3 cylinders out of it before you start getting stuck and need to clean. a toothbrush and rags should be in your range kit with you so you can wipe down the cylinder face and frame breach area when you get stuck. there is a fairly simple mod you can do that will help out a lot. use a dremel or file and make some relief cuts on the cylinder pin to act as a space for fouling to flow into. that will at least double the amount of full cylinders you can shoot between cleanings.>>65417695no they did not run them dry. the historical lube was animal tallow, lard, or vegetable oil, sometimes with beeswax.
>>65417695think of it like this. if you keep the fouling soft with moist lubricants, the parts of the gun can keep moving and push the soft fouling out of the way. if the fouling is dry and hard, it binds everything down. youll figure it out the first dry cylinder you shoot when you struggle to cock the hammer on the 3rd or 4th shot.
>>65417758>>65417748Thanks
>>65416525>not worse than communist corrosive ammoLike hell it isn’t. Corrosive primer residue wasn’t even noticed as a problem until the industry moved to smokeless powder. Not that it matters because you need to clean up both in a timely manner.>My uninformed brain twitches at that since I'm displacing water already there?Something something emulsion science. I don’t entirely understand it myself. It just works. The boomers discuss this shit a lot on the BP forums. Your search terms are "ballistol" and "moose milk" if you’re interested in further reading.>>65416528>My airbrush is new to me and is a clog fucking nightmareOh fug, you’re not the anon from the wip general on /tg/ are you?>>65417353You can and I have, but this is not advisable with a brass frame, especially in 44.>>65417609>people shit on brass frames And you’re going to find out why once you’ve shot yours a bit. Fortunately they still look good on the wall even with a fucked frame.>and yes, this will happen to a 1858 as well
>>65417772ive got a number of brass frames and never had a porblem with stretching in 20 years of shooting them. probably have a couple thousand roudns through my oldest one and been through a number of replacement parts like hands and springs but never had it stretch. but i always only loaded like 15-20 grains on it because i read the warnings about stretching. im sure its a problem but you can make them laste a long time by being gentle with them and theya re so cheap if they stretch out after 10 years of good use another 200 bucks for a new one is not a big deal
>>65417748God in heaven... I bought it from the most plywood shelfed back of a garage shop too. I mean CLEAN though. So I have that going for me.I stand corrected, I'll get more productive links banked now lol.>>65417772never posted there, but once on /toy/, however it turns out all they do there is buy shit and leave it in the box. They are horrified I'm going to run a 60s Hot Wheels track for actual racing with a child.
>>65417865I can live with a hundred rounds a year for 10 years. I mostly shoot the SKS anyhow.
>>65415226Is that a moving blanket?
>>65417935stock image... cargo blanket of some type, my NICS delayed so I came back the day after.
>>65417972you did a NICS for a blackpowder replica?
>>65418086Welcome to NY.
btw if you happen to want to renew your GOA online, now is not the day kek. It's so bogged down it's not funny.
>>65417865No offense, but I don’t believe a single bit of that.>>65417896Stop by and ask for help. We have a couple of experienced airbrushes there that like helping out newfrens. I’d ask you some questions here but this is neither the board nor the thread for it.
>>65418486/tg/ is the correct board for slot cars? It's old school... it is a game I guess.
If I already have an Uberti 1851 Navy cap and ball but I want to get it converted, would a factory spare Uberti 1851 conversion barrel be able to fit on the cap and ball frame? There are the .38 conversion cylinders out there, but I don't want to only shoot wadcutters.
Guys, I bought a Pietta SAA clone last year, and I gotta be honest- as much as I love the look, I kind of feel like it’s sort of unwieldy and heavy. Probably a no brainer, but does anyone else feel this way?
>>65418904Is it with 7.5" barrel? You're finding out why 5.5" and 4 3/4" were popular in old west.
Is a 3" barrel worth the energy loss or is 5.5" the way to go?
>>654195975.5" for me considering my 7" is barrel heavy as fuck
>>65419436No, I have a 4.75.Either I’m weak or just out of the loop, but I’ll admit it feels a lot bigger and heavier than I had imagined. For comparison, I have an old S&W .38 special with a 6” barrel, and even that thing is lighter.
I've found plenty of historical Colt 1860s that were cut down to a 5" barrel, but were Remington NMA's cut down similarly? I found one 3" that was put up for auction a while ago, but not one in the 5" range.
>>65418904>>65421014Have you tried spinning it on your finger? I can spin my 7.5 inch 1851 Navy pretty easily.
>>65422094I’ll have to try that. I’ve got an 1851 Navy (7.5 as well) also. To be fair the 1851 is pretty heavy for what it is also. Wish I would’ve went for the 5”.
>>65422159by the way make sure that shits unloaded
>>65415299Ypu can shoot earplugs put of them with just a cap and 1 grain of BP. Accurate enough to knock down beer cans at 10 feet. It's one of our traditional ways of amusing the kids on the 4th of July while the parents get wasted on homemade wine. That and instigating bottle rocket fights among the older kids.
>>65416013Ypu can also strip it down and run it through the dishwasher. Finish Powerball, no drying additive, stop the cycle when it starts the steam sanitizer, then chuck all the metal parts in a cookie sheet, bake them at 180 deg F in the oven until completely dry, then a spritz of Gibbs and they're good to go until next 4th of July.
>>65422615Of course; I appreciate the concern and heads up, friend.
>>65422657that sounds awesome thanks for the idea
>>65422657That's good to know for a range toy and wall hanger. Definitely extends the use cases a little.>>65422662At this rate why not get a damned ultrasonic for a little cash. I just impulse bought one for $45 that'll do disassembled parts and also my air brush guns. Will report back on how filling it with nair and using on my balls feels.
>>65422710I plopped text on it
>>65423117Anon, that’s perfect. Haha
Do we talk breechloaders here too? Should I get a Smith or is saving up for a Sharps a better idea? I've heard Smiths have awful barrels that need a gunsmith to reline them which makes it sound like I'd be better off with a Sharps, despite them being three times the price.
>>65417621"after a standard cleaning"If I'm at home yeah I want perfect awesome cleaning. I also have a solar kit so I could if I wanted to?>>65425440welcome frenYou'll want Sharps even after buying good enough. I know because ALL my hobbies ran that way. I got a harbor freight airbrush and in a week knew why the $60 one was better. It was a cheap lesson, guns aren't.
