Israel can't take over Gaza and purge out the pop or even take south of Lebanon, Russia can't take over the full donbass even after years and not Even russians want to move there, US is scared of boots on ground in Irán since don't have full confidence they can make it.Is war of conquest a failure nowdays? What did you guys think it happend? For exemple during ww2 Germany achive to move more germans to conquered zones in eastern europe or Japan to move japaneses people to manchuria, but now seems that can't be done anymore.
>>65418444For conquest to work, you have to purge. Purging is frowned upon now on the international scene.
Name a time in history it succeeded more than it failed for most nations
>>65418463mongolia, europe in africa, azerbayian agaisnt armenia recently
>>65418444>Is war of conquest a failure nowdays?No, it's just that most countries capable of it are happy with their borders, or not angry enough to go to war at least. There's also a whole big international order now so you can't just start a random bushfire war against Spain and take Ceuta, you have to deal with all of spains wordwide friends.>Israel can't take over Gaza and purge out the pop or even take south of LebanonWon't. They could if they really wanted to, at least for Gaza. There are definitely fuck-fuck games going on but Israels wargoal was not to annex all of Gaza.
>>65418444Modern war is total. Historical conquests more often than not looked like one elite swooping in and integrating itself into the existing local one.
>>65418444its become far cheaper for to defend yourself compared to attacking an enemy
>>65418444Bad examples because the explanation in these cases is metaphysical.
Very cute esl
>>65418444Israel currently occupies 70 percent of Gaza and has stated it will only withdraw if Hamas lies down its weapons.I know you want to go /pol/itical but really, having 70 percent of your turf occupied by an enemy who you can't really remove while most of your population has become refugees and you are holed up in a few ruined settlements isn't my definition of "doing well". Furthermore I don't see the comparison with Ukraine valid, for that Hamas would have had to wipe out most of IDF mechanized forces, force Bibi to waste thousands of kikes on infiltration tactics, be capable to launch cruise missile attacks on Tel Aviv, have IAF locked down so it can only lob bombs from affar and even push IDF out of the ground across multiple sectors of the frontline.
On top of alot of other reasons, one would be that across most of history the average person's world wasn't much more than the next village over. If one day some dudes with a red flag show up instead of a blue flag to collect taxes, you probably don't really give a shit unless they're demanding alot more than your last lord. The fact is also that modern technology means a small number of pissed off civilians can inflict far greater damage to an occupying force by comparison.
>>65418444These days it's more efficient to send your army over in civilian clothing and call them refugees.
Nationalism has made states extremely resilient against invasion.Maybe WW2 where in some scenario (US not joining the war) Germany might have been able to seize a large amount of land, genocide the populus, and populate it with Germans was actually the outlier case.
>>65418444Because the international masonic-communist conspiracy to weaken the west has made warfare itself so fake and gay to the point that taking the measures actually needed to win wars is frowned upon by (((international law))). >waaahh, that’s genocide! >waaahh, you can’t just slaughter your fellow *human beings>waaahh, you have to play by our rules that only benefit (((us))) specifically
>>65420382truth grenade
>>65418444Military interventionism achieves most of the same goals of direct conquest, with significantly less political baggage.
>>65418444The most successful conflicts in recent years has been waged by smaller countries like Azerbaijan and Thailand. The Azeris managed to expel the Armenians entirely from disputed territory while Thailand managed to capture all contested border lands from their war with Cambodia. Both kept their objectives fairly realistic and achievable, with little if any political or diplomatic fallout, which I guess is the lesson.
>>65420382yeah how are you supposed to win a war if you aren't even allowed to blow up powerplants and bridges? it's like having a gun but you aren't allowed to shoot it so you just throw the bullets.
>>65418444Populations are larger and soldiers much, much more expensive to field such that you go broke trying maintain the mass to effectively police somewhere you've conquered.
>>65422749Although both of those conflicts involved the permanent seizure of territory, I'm not those ought to be called conquests. Azerbaijan did not intend to subdue or destroy Armenians as a people, but to seize parts of the frontier that aren't considered part of the core Armenian territories and that most Armenians wouldn't really care for if you were to ask them. Similarly, Thailand did not intend to seize places that were key to the territorial integrity of Cambodia and that most Cambodians would likely care little for.
>>65422789>and that most Cambodians would likely care little forOh they care, they're still pushing to get it back diplomatically. It's just not going to happen. The funny thing is they could've pulled a Ukraine and invested in cheap drones but they're so thirdie-minded that they bet the farm on grads. The Thais were the ones maximizing drone deployment.
>>65418444>Israel can't take over Gaza and purge out the popIsrael has the men and guns to force the entire population into the Sinai but that would probably be going too far even for Israel, and they've really pushed it. Also Egypt won't take them.The population is living in tents along the coasts. I'm sure there are Hamas guys in that mix, but at this point it's just gunmen embedded in this mass of people. And this is just a part of it.>>65422749>The Azeris managed to expel the Armenians entirely from disputed territory That's true. It was around 100,000 people. Anyways, by comparison, Gaza has two million.
>>65418444Mostly global trade, people get angry when you start annexing and with globalization you need to care what other countries think.>>65418463True, we remember the successes from centuries ago but there were always plenty of failures.
>>65418444Sex slaves and rape aren't fueling armies anymore.
Do you know anyone who speaks english OP?
>>65418444>take GazaThey GAVE Gaza to the Palestinians, why the fuck would they take it back? >purgeIsrael is both completely incapable of killing the Palestinians who are completely at their mercy and at the same time killing thousands each month.
>>65422840>egypt won't take themThis is the funniest thing out of the Middle East, turns out "ZOG" and "American slave soldiers" is actually "Caliphate" and "Arab slave soldiers for Palestine". The Palestinians actively launched coups, terroism, and outright annexation of the Arab cousins while their Arab slave soldiers died in the desert by the tens of thousands. There is nothing more pathetic than a Palestinian supporter.
>>65426275Nice cope babykiller. You'll be an interesting test case for just how isolated a pariah state can get this century
>>65426342Wafflestomp an Arab baby down the drain
>>65418444>>65418463Even with a 90% failure rate it's still a net positive because we can't make more land but we can make more men and tanks
>>65418444Israel is actually slowly taking over Gaza. They're mostly focused on the West Bank where their settlers are mainly moving into land previously held by Arabs that they have kicked out but Gaza is also experiencing some settling right now.
>>65426408Show me your sheeny gold.
>>65418444As other anons ITT have already pointed out, there are two main changes that began to appear in the 19th century and really gained steam in the 20th. One is that the main principle behind governmental legitimacy became popular will, even in authoritarian states. Previously, peoples didn't really care who was in charge as long as they weren't significantly worse than the guy before. Now they consider themselves a "nation" who will only accept rulers from among their own citizenry, after going through the appropriate rituals. Even dictators today have elections (the fact that they're rigged doesn't matter). If conquered, they now believe the only moral thing to do is fight back until the invaders leave. The second big change is the proliferation of lethal force multiplication technology into the mass population, which allows the sentiments of the public to be put into action. In other words, if you try to conquer a people, they now have the tools to make your life hell for decades. I guess there's technically a third change which has happened recently, which is that war has become so capital-intensive and expensive that you will bankrupt yourself trying to occupy a country. All in all, it's just more worth it to use soft power instead of hard power to acquire resources these days.
>>65426489>which is that war has become so capital-intensive and expensive that you will bankrupt yourself trying to occupy a country.>becomeOh so you’re just talking out your ass
>>65418444/pol/estinians are so dumb lol
>>65418468Mongolia collapsed almost as soon as Genghis Khan died and was never that centralized. European countries in Africa faced constant wars and rebellions
>>65418444So Israel wants to defeat a guerrilla force but they don’t just want to kill everyone despite what everyone says. They don’t really want to conquer Gaza they sort of already do but they don’t want to transfer the population which might have its own problems.Russia is facing nearly a million men with the same kind of weapons as them and backed by an alliance that accounts for over 50% of the worlds military spending. There are issues with their army but that is it. It’s a vastly larger conflict than the other two. They do still hold a significant amount of Ukraine land.The US is trying to win through missiles and air power alone and they aren’t trying to annex Iran they want them to concede at this point but they would have taken regime change. But Trump doesn’t believe the US is ready for a ground invasion so this war will likely end in the US effectively conceding to Iran
>>65420382>waaahh, that’s genocide! >waaahh, you can’t just slaughter your fellow *human beingsUhmm… the Jews are bad because…they are stopping genocide and have respect for humanity? Why are they bad again?
>>65426275>The israelis actively launched coups, terrorism, and outright annexation of their Arab neighborsFTFY
>>65426845Now name some things that actually happen.
>>65426408based
>>65426832US is definitely not ready for a ground invasion. We’d need to 5-10x our military in terms of boots to successfully occupy and keep the peace and that would almost unquestionably mean a draft. No one wants to get drafted to go to Iran for… some general outcome we aspire for? No tolls I guess? Not a great reason to be forced to leave my job and family.Best strategy at the moment is hope we can hurt their economy more than ours and last longer but Americans don’t want to deal with this anymore and Iran is happy to play whack a mole indefinitely even if everything goes to shit.
>>65418444Israel doesn't want Gaza. They literally just want the Palestinians to stop trying to genoicde them and for 80 years have been trying to find the gentlest way the Palestinians will accept.Two years of being reduced to living in tents while eating Israeli gibs while Israel killed HAMAS members did nothing. Only when Israel started bulldozing the majority of Gaza did the Palestinians begin to consider not killing Israelis... for now.Israel doesn't want Lebanon either. They want the Lebanese to stand up and end Hezbollah. Israel's success while fighting with both hands tied behind their backs doing things that they don't even want to be doing shows just how overmatched the Palestinians are.
>>65428262>They want the Lebanese to stand up and end Hezbollah. The Israelis don't necessarily care if the Lebanese 'end' Hezbollah. They just want Hezbollah resources to be permanently wasted fighting the Lebanese, instead of used to attack Israel.
>>65428274Nothing Israel does indicates they prefer there to be fighting around them. They seem to prefer peace, but radical Muslims won't be de-radicalized without a serious fight.
I really don't understand modern conquest(conquest?), or ancient conquest for that matter. Why don't the invading forces just kill EVERYBODY? Is that not feasible?
>>65418448That was the plan for subjugating Ukraine. Unfortunately, it's hard to push dissidents in invaded territories into death camps when the territory hasn't actually been invaded and the enemy are still shooting back.
>>65428296how about building settlements in internationally recognized palestinian land.breach of international law asside it leads to constant contact and frictionand it's not like Jordan is still hostile to them
>>65428320The Palestinians have refused borders at EVERY opportunity. The Israelis built fences (which are a barrier to BOTH sides) and the Palestinians complained bitterly that they would make it harder for them to invade Israel and genocide the Jews.If the Palestinians will not respect that inhabited Israeli land belongs to the Israelis, why should the Israelis recognize that uninhabited Palestinian land belongs to the Palestinians? The Palestinians do not recognize that there is ANY border so why should the non-settler Israelis stop the settlers from taking the free real estate that's there? The Palestinians are going to try to murder the non-settler Israelis exactly the same no matter what.The Israelis have dismantled settlements on multiple occasions to undo the advance and define a border further back as a peace gift to the Palestinians. "We could take even more, leaving you less, but we will not. Instead, we give you this 'more'. You have possessed the ground under your feet as 'your land' this entire time, and you are throwing a tantrum for more land, so here is more land than you had the strength to hold on to. We give it back to you. Please stop attacking us now and accept this state of affairs. This offer is the best you're ever going to get and saying 'no' will just lose you more land." But the Palestinians have always insisted on the complete genocide of the Jews and anyone else they feel like killing.From the Western perspective which values life, killing Palestinians is the harshest punishment to hand out for their continual murder attempts. They obviously value land so just taking empty land is the gentlest punishment. "The more you try to kill us, the less you have of this land you value. Perhaps you should consider stopping your murder attempts and retain what land you have?" The Palestinians cannot seem to accept the wisdom of that. Their tribalistic need to suicidally hurl themselves at the Jews overrides sense.
>>65418463United States vs Native Americans
>>65428889that's a lot of words but none of it is why the settlements should still be there.they aren't there as a military necessity to block the Jordanians, they are build in violation of international law, they are a thorn in the side of diplomatic relations with Europe and the Arab world.>but it's less harsh than killing them>you don't understand your honor, I wanted to kill her but I only raped her because it's less harsh on themyou could idk just sit behind the border wall you've build. there's no reason to be there but to antagonize the arabs
>>65418444it's not the first time in history of land wars taking years with little result and it won't be the last
>>65428262Sure and they never used to hang out at the syrian border to provoke firefights and they never escalated shit with the egyptians and they never stole palestinian land and they never fucked up the iranian deal by infecting trump with the jew mind virus so iran can pursue its nuclear program again and it never infected trump again so he could do his retarded loser campaign and they never created this apartheid state where palestinians and jews have to enter different gates surely this will never breed terrorism
>>65428914>that's a lot of words but none of it is why the settlements should still be there.They're there as a consequence of the attacks against Israel.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punitive_damages>you could idk just sit behind the border wall you've buildThe Palestinians shoot rockets and mortars and send incendiary balloons across the border. They send terrorists across the border. The Israelis spend literally billions of dollars on purely defensive weaponry like Iron Dome trying their best to make the attacks against them look pointless and the Palestinians literally will not stop spending money on weaponry with which to attack across that border. Everything the Israelis did in trying to just sit behind their border wall led to October 7th because they never hit the Palestinians hard enough to get them to reconsider their murderous ways. The Palestinians are so committed to murder that 75,000 deaths in the war has done practically nothing to move the needle. Can you understand that if 75,000 deaths is not enough to stop the Palestinians from attacking across the border wall that the Israelis cannot just sit behind the wall unless a lot more Palestinians die? Enough Palestinians need to die that the Palestinians fear what will happen to them if they cross the border wall. HAMAS did not surrender, they only agreed to stop popping up out of tunnels and shooting at Israeli soldiers for now so the Israelis stop targeting all signs of government activity, while they have not committed at all to stop attacking Israel when the soldiers withdraw back across the wall.The Palestinians feel they are entitled to murder and there can never be peace until the Palestinians are hit so hard they lose that sense of entitlement.
>>65428965>"Israel defending their own border is.. a PROVOCATION! Don't you see that they have to eternally retreat before the Syrians in appeasement or else they're the aggressors!">"How DARE the Israelis preemptively attack the Egyptians who are publicly committed to a genocidal military assault and massing an army at their border? Don't you see this is an ESCALATION?">"Why don't the Israelis unilaterally respect a border that the Palestinians do not? The border is only legally allowed to move one way -- towards the extermination of Israel!"Trump axed the Iran nuclear deal on his own because he can't stand that Obama is a million times better than him and every Democrat can see that. (Trump actively disrespects what Republicans think because they're dumb enough to believe his lies. His narcissism requires Democrats to love him for what he is, but that will never happen because they won't love a narcissist.)The Palestinians are literally committed to terrorism. Of course they're going to segregate between terrorists and non-terrorists.
>>65429065>punative damagesannon, this isn't a common law civil court nor does international law follow the procedural laws of a common law civil court you claimed that "Nothing Israel does indicates they prefer there to be fighting around them"I pointed out that the west bank settlements are a) in breach of international lawb) they cause constant friction with the arabs you haven't addressed any of that, not a word about the settlements and what role they play in avoiding conflict, all you've done is rant and rave about how batshit crazy violent the pallies are and how that somehow means that killing 75.000 of them over less than 1500 Israeli casualties is justto any neutral observer it's quite obvious that you are everything you accuse the Palestinians off and then some
>>65429120What makes you think the concept of "punishment" is nothing but an invention of law?Your dad coming at you with a belt is "punitive damage" to your backside. The Palestinians are murdering people and the Israelis are punishing them for it in an attempt to parent them. Unfortunately, for 80 years they've treated the Palestinians as the VERY favored child and have spoiled them. While every surrounding nation learned not to fuck with Israel, Israel tried to be as nice as humanly possible to the Palestinians and it's only gotten them 80 years of constant murder from temper tantrums.
>>65429303first of you again fail to address the settlement issue, the original point being discussed.if you can't address it then just stop responding or admit you haven't a response to it>>65429303>What makes you think the concept of "punishment" is nothing but an invention of law?why do you link to a wikipedia page describing a legal term? >in an attempt to parent themhow is, by your own admission, killing 75.000 of them trying to parent them?>tried to be as nice as humanly possiblehow is, by your own admission, killing 75.000 of them trying to be as nice as humanly possible?to you killing tens of thousands of them is the nicest you can be but fucking off from illegal settlements somehow isn't even an option. but we are to somehow believe that Israel is somehow a moral state and the Palestinians a morally bankrupt one.annon you are doing so much harm to your cause every time you say anything about it that I can only assume you are very, very dumb or in fact a mudslime
>>65422840I love that the Jews have the same "we could've won if we wanted to!!!!!" cope that Russians have. Absolutely raped society.
>>65429355They can't bring up settlements because they are so objectively evil and immoral that they can't keep up their "muh Israelis are just trying to heckin live in peace but those dang stinky subhuman Arabs won't stop attacking them :((((((" lie they like to peddle.
>>65428262>>65428274>We don't want to hurt the Lebanese, we just want them to descend into another civil warNo wonder you guys fucking suck at war. Too neurotic.
>>65428898thats because NDNs are bums who just hang out in the woodsthey have no concept of land ownership
>>65429435I don't even think that they are evil or immoral by default.it's just that the reason they gave for building them, a buffer zone in the West bank to protect Israel has become pointless with Jordan normalizing relations.if it's because they want a security buffer along the border they can impose on on their side of the border and comply with international law, do a 50/50 split like the Korean border and comply with international precedent, impose the border zone on the Palestinians and at least have a coherent policy or even just keep it's oldest settlements that are closest to the international border whom already form a buffer zone and at least minimize the frictionwhat his argument seems te be is>we need to protect our people from these bloodthirsty arabs who will stop at nothing to kill them>that's why we need to settle our people amongst them in enclaves that can be surrounded, isolated and then overrun
>>65429355>you again fail to address the settlement issueI have already addressed it. The settlements are punishment for the genocide.As soon as Big Daddy Britain put his belt on and said, "I'm leaving this shithole of Mandatory Palestine -- you faggots figure this out for yourselves," a large percentage of the Arabs in Mandatory Palestine tried to genocide the Jews. The Jews banded together and fought them to a standstill. The Arab League then came in and said, "We'll genocide the Jews for you! Everybody who wants them genocided come with us!" The genocidal Palestinian Arabs left Israel and joined the Arab League forces and they promptly lost. Afterwards the Israelis refused to let the genocidal Palestinians back in while they accepted the good ones as Israelis.The Arabs then continued to try to genocide the Jews for the next 30 years. It ended after Israel took the entire Sinai... and then gave it back in exchange for a stop to the genocidal attacks against them. The Palestinians have continued to try to genocide the Jews. The Jews have taken land as punishment. They have tried giving some of it back in exchange for a stop to the genocidal attacks and the Palestinians have never taken the offer.Why the fuck should they stop the settlements if the Palestinians won't take the offer? The Palestinians will never stop if they don't lose anything for continuing. The settlements are one aspect of an escalating use of punishment for being murderous apes that are literally lower than hood rats.
>>65418501thisplus since most people weren't "free" but were serfs or other shit, having another ruler didn't actually mattered.
>>65429508>I have already addressed it.The settlements are punishment for the genocide>genocide>1948lol, lmao evenyou've never not brought up 1948 before but now you not only have already done so but it's the very basis on why there need to be settlements and it's not in any way shape or form in conflict with you primary statement that "Nothing Israel does indicates they prefer there to be fighting around them."you are a bold faced liar. even worse you are such a dumb liar that you forget that there is a record everyone can see everyone can see that you are lying,there can be no honest discussion with you and even if it where honest it would never be productive
>>65429544There will ALWAYS be conflict as long as the Palestinians are genocidal. The Israelis will not accept death at the hands of the Palestinians which means there is a fundamental contradiction in goals between, "We want every Jew dead," and "We Jews don't want to die." The Jews do not have the ability to unilaterally set things to a peaceful state because the Palestinians are the ones starting the fight. It will always continue so long as the Palestinians keep trying to genocide the Jews since the Jews will fight back.The Jews don't want there to be conflict but for there to not be conflict the Palestinians need to stop fighting for the destruction of Israel and the genocide of the Jews since that STARTS the conflict. >Jew: Does nothing.>Palestinian: Tries to murder the Jew.>Jew: Fights to keep from being murdered.>You: "HOW COULD THAT DIRTY JEW START A FIGHT BY TRYING TO KEEP FROM BEING MURDERED!?!? DOESN'T HE SEE HE DESERVES TO DIE BY EXISTING? HIM FIGHTING BACK IS SUCH AN UNCONSCIONABLE ACT THAT NOW HE DESERVES TO BE DOUBLE GENOCIDED!">Also you: "THIS IS A PERFECTLY REASONABLE AND BALANCED OPINION AND ANYONE WHO DISAGREES SHOULD BE GENOCIDED!"
>>65429411They actually could though but the international situation is already tenuous. Going the full measure might actually invite foreign intervention and I mean boots-on-ground occupation by bluehats.
>>65429634>ignore that you lied>don't even try to excuse that you liedwhy would anyone give a single fling fuck what a liar says?
>>65429650There is no lie.The Jews don't want there to be conflict.The Palestinians want to genocide the Jews.This starts a conflict.The Jews would rather this conflict not exist.This conflict will not end unless either the Palestinians give up their genocidal ways or the Jews are all genocided.The Palestinians don't have the capability to genocide all the Jews against Jewish wishes.This means the conflict continues against the wishes of the Jews so long as the Palestinians try to continue it by attempting to genocide the Jews.
>>65429699>I have already addressed it. The settlements are punishment for the genocide (of 1948).>didn't claim that the settlements where a punishment for the genocide (of 1948), never mind that there wasn't a genocide at allyou lied.it's also very convenient how you ignore the proclamation of the jewish state in your narrativeIsrael just got magiced into a land where no one lived, didn't do anything at all and somehow the arabs don't want them around
>>65429721Let’s go back in history a bit and discover where all the Jews that built the temple in Jerusalem went before the Arabs conquered the land. (Spoiler: it’s wasn’t the Romans)
>>65429721Why does the historical knowledge of libtards seemingly extend only about 80 years? Plus U.S. slavery of course. Answer this: who was King David and what nation was he the king of? *Bonus for the years of his reign*.
>>65429721Literally stolen land lol. Same as Egypt. Same as the Levant. Same as Babylon. Same as Nubia. Same as Carthage. I could go on. Also they took more black slaves and were much less humane. If you’re white they’d have taken you as a slave too. You sound like soft pale bitch. You’d make a great catamite.
>>65429738>>65429744I agree the holy land is rightful Canaan claythat however doesn't change anything about how you lied about what you your self had supposedly said while we have what you said recorded right here
>>65429721Arabs were killing Jews weeeeelll before 1945 anon. That’s kind of why there was no Israel there for a good long period actually.
>>65429738>>65429744>>65429756>>65429763why are you so defensive about other people living there before the creation of Israel, it's a fact that's not up for discusion.
>>65429760Look at Lt Pete Mitchell here exposing anons spurious lies lol. Israel is done for.
>>65429773Ok so I’ll help you out. King David reigned about the 10th century before Christ or about 16 centuries before the Phrophet Muhammad. That should narrow it down some. What nation was King David the king of?
>>65429773Ah yes the “Brown people own all the Earth” myth. They weren’t there first. Not that I support Israel but arguing with you know-nothing libshits is incredibly difficult due to your ignorance of pretty much every topic relevant to political discussion.
>>65429797>king David means no one was living there in 1948if we are going with the oldest or longest claim we should still be going with Canaanitesif we are going by the claim that has the strongest divine mandate we should be going with the crusader statesbut none of that mattered in 1948 or matters now, not one bit
>>65429773>the Arabs conquered and colonized Israel the first time just let them have it. They genocided all the Israelites fair and squarePost 2015 politics are wild. Civil rights and the 19th Amendment are proving every day to be civilizational mistakes
>>65429821Palestinians are the direct genetic descendants of the Israelites/Canaanites, not mystery meat mutts from Russia and Iraq. Sorry Moshe. They have far more connection to King David and the Kingdom of Israel than (You).
>>65429814i'd kinly like to remind you that I didn't base any claim about when brown were whereI simply pointed out that it's funny how in his rant he skips over 1948 and there being people and events before than such as the terrorist attack against the King David hotel
>>65429816Great. Find the Canaanites and advocate for them instead. They loved killing babies and I’m sure you do too. But also you can’t face or state the actual history because you’re a religious zealot that worships brown savages instead of golden calves.
>ask about the holy land before 1948>the JIDF arrives in forcelooks like someone touched a nerve
>>65429833>Find the Canaanites and advocate for them instead.I am.
>>65429830No they aren’t. Most were the poorest useless dregs bussed in from around the Arab world in the failed attempt to expel the jews in the first Arab-Israeli war and when that failed, the dregs weren’t allowed back into the countries that dumped them there. It’s been that way for 80 years and it’s why they’re a permanent refugee tent camp nation. Lebanon let some in in the 70s-80s and you might be surprised how that went. Europe is doing the same thing now. Look how that’s going. The border between Gaza and Egypt is the tightest in the world.
>>65429744>Israelites (now called Palestinians) had a Kingdom named Israel lead by descendants of David>That means we need to send inifnite money to the secular Republic of Israel so they can expel and massacre all of the actual descendants of the Kingdom of Israel.
>>65429847so you are claiming there weren't any arabs living there before 1948?
>>65429839As a Nazi racist bigot, It’s beyond tedious to seemingly have to defend Israel of all places because slurping brown cock is the newest fad religion>>65429841>>65429830That’s a funny way of understanding Arabs are incredibly good at using rape as a weapon of conquest. Like in Europe rn.
>>65429847Bro this boomerslop propaganda might work on Facebook versus Evangelical boomers, but it's not gonna work on anyone with even the slightest ability to research. I don't have third world blood hatred against a people on the other side of the planet because I'm not a subhuman third world savage like you.
>>65429863you aren't fooling anyone chaimyou are about as 14/88 as a gook studying the torah
>>65429849No. Both Jews and Muslims should be expelled from the land and a Kingdom of Christ should be declared and occupied by the devoted. But that’s just my personal opinion. We’re just discussing straight history right now. Purposely misunderstanding is all that’s going on here by the Muslim bootlickers.
>>65429863>Normal conversation>Brings up brown dicks out of nowhereWell, good to know those stories of Israelis being abscessed with cuckoldery were true.Zero evidence of any ethnic replacement post the Arab conquests and the only reason there are a bunch of rapist Arabs in Europe right now is because of a civil war that Jews instigated lmao.
>>65429872> I don't have third world blood hatred against a people on the other side of the planet Well both hate you. And its why your nation is being invaded by browns and your children sold to the Epsteins of the world. How righteous of you. Baizuo fool.
>>65429880> Zero evidence of any ethnic replacement post the Arab conquests That’s a shame. But also you seem to (purposely) misunderstand or misrepresent how ethnic replacement works. Of course the Arabs are directly descended from the Israelite women their forefathers raped. So now they’re Arabs.
>>65429897>arabs raped us so hard that we became arabs except fora few small offshoots in Europeand how does that make you look good?also isn 't jewishness passed on trough the maternal line, so wouldn't all those arab rape babies and their decendents still be jewishand wouldn't that make the whole conflict a civil war of sorts
>>65429880>Zero evidence of any ethnic replacement post the Arab conquestsThat logically makes no sense. Are you gonna say something else ridiculous like there was no ethnic replacement during the conquest of the Aztecs by the Spanish?
>>65429903Yeah wouldn’t they? Crazy how culture gets replaced when it gets conquered.
>>65429904the genetic distribution of mexico and the rest of south america is still very much majority pre-contact the spanish didn't even try to replace them, they just subjugated them and used them to work their land holdingshard to mine all that silver and gold without native labour
>>65429920Agreed, Arabs rape everywhere they go harder than the Spanish who preferred Gold to God. This not the case with Muslims which is intensely obvious looking at anywhere else Muslims go on Earth. Glad to get somewhere here.
>>65429874I don’t claim to be those things. They’re labels I’ve grown used to because my enemies are retards who fake literally everything to advance their retarded goals and ideals.
>>65429744>libtardHe's a far right brownoid.
>>65426408Keyed
>>65429446>lebashits would start killing each other if they were forced to stop starting wars with israelNot the own you think.
>>65429721>you ignore the proclamation of the jewish state in your narrativeWhy would this need to be addressed?What is a state but a collective ideology?The State of Israel was created in the name of the collective ideology that the Jews should not be genocided.This is no different than every Jew collectively fighting to not be genocided without a proclamation that they are doing so under the auspices of a State.The Palestinians are fighting under the collective ideology that the Jews should be genocided and they're doing that without a proclaimed state. Proclaiming one wouldn't change anything. It's the same people doing the same shit.>Israel just got magiced into a land where no one livedPresent evidence showing the Brits displaced Arabs to move Jews in.Jews buying houses from Arabs isn't magic.Moving onto empty land isn't magic. Did you think there was an Indian living on every square foot of America before the white man came in? Whites moved to 99.9% empty land. Then we genocided the Indians to make sure we got the best 99.9%.The Jews didn't commit genocide to take Israel, the genocidal Palestinians walked out using their own two feet and the good Arabs stayed to become Israeli.
>>65430092I like how these tards don’t know over a quarter of Israel is made of Arabs who live very normal high standard lives. Western country level standard. No Muslim country entertains such reciprocity. Not to anyone. Especially not Jews.
>>65422789You're dead wrong about Armenians and Nagorno-Karabakh. Armenians care a lot and those with family in Karabakh have huge influence in Armenia. The population is divided between those who recognize that fighting Azerbaijan is hopeless and those who want to try and get their teeth kicked in a third time. Nobody in Armenia doesn't really care about Karabakh
>>65429451Sounds lika them prob.
>>65429863As a liberal I don't even know what's going on anymore.>Muh heckin' pure Uyghur and Palestinian far right terrorists must be the good guys because they're the underdogs!>Surely the formation of a fascist Nazi regime is the best time to harp on gun control! Look at how bad those Nazis are! Wouldn't it be better if we were all disarmed?>Let's peacefully protest to the Nazis about them being bad because one thing Nazis are known for is caring about those who oppose Nazism!>Bathrooms and class warfare are the most important policy positions we can be focusing on right now as the Republicans are dismantling the entire system of objective laws for unrestrained partisan power. If American democracy lasted 250 years surely it will last 250 more!I'm at the point where I'm rooting for Democrats to lose because Republican Idiocracy will likely be easier to come back from than uncritical high-minded hubris. We can undo watering the plants with Brawndo easier than reversing Plant Rights.
israel doesnt want to win in gaza, the continued existence of hamas and the palestinian threat is good for their government, so the routine purging and creation of another few thousand angry palestinian children/teens/adults that their home and family were killed is just the israeli investment in their own future. the loss of a few jewish citizens is acceptable to them
>>65418444The world is too inter connected now. Of course, it's in no one's interest to share a world with conquerors because conquerors might conqueror you. So when a serious force begins conquering, you have people on the other side of the planet, oceans away, helping the people you're trying to conquer. It's not the same as when the Mongols were recking everyone in their path and the poor fuckers only had their neighbors to band with or ask for help, who probably had been killing each other for centuries and are not on the best terms.As far as I know, the nazis and imperial japan were the last of the great conquerors, and we all know how that went for them.
>>65429904It'd show up in the genetic record, which it doesn't. Spanish colonizers did mix with the natives, and their genes show up in the genetic record.It's not that complex dude.
>>65430092>Germans genocided us so that means its okay for us to genocide Palestinians>Magical empty land>Muh subhuman Palis>We (pretending to be white lmao)Man, almost got a bingo. Please bring up bizarre rape cuckold fantasies and I can get my prize.
>>65428301cause the natives have some wisdom from living in the land you observe them while slowing killing them off but then you get complacent once you learn enough and youve taken over so much that you forgot why you thought they were a threat or what you were even doing there in the first place other than living like a king
>>65430563If the Jews wanted to genocide the Palestinians there would be no Palestinians left.It's not a fight between equals who are trying to kill each other off, the Jews have never given the Palestinians more than five slaps on the wrist and sent them to bed without supper a couple of times for all that they have done.
>>65430552Are they still Aztecs or are they not? It doesn’t take 100% eradication to kill a culture. 20-60% admixture is more than enough to defeat a people through breeding with them. Which is why Palestine Arabs show up in the lineage of ancient Jews but are still quite apparently not Jews. Same with Babylon. Same with Egypt.
>>65426342TFW North Korea is becoming more diplomatically normalized and has broader public support than Israel
>>65430092>Why would this need to be addressed?because Arab and more precisely Palestinian opposition to the state of Israel wasn't born in a vacuum.by starting you narrative after 1948 you get to skip over how Zionism an ideology born in Vienna and backed by Jews from the pale of settlement acted as an external force on the land and it's inhabitants.it allows you to pretend like the land was empty or it's the fault of someone else that so many arabs where displaced.it allows you to pretend like Israel bears no responsibility for the consequences of it's own actions and choices.so the settlements are a "punishment" for Palestinian aggression that just comes out of nowhere against poor little Israel who never did nothing wrongeven now you want to shift the blame on the British. it's the Brits that forced the Arabs of their land and next you are going to blame 1948 on the Brits pulling out. never mind that it was the Zionist terrorists that where targeting the Brits and UN in order to force them out.>>65430627>claims to have killed 75,000 over oct. 7>just some slaps on the wrists and to bed without supper
War on conquest land can be successfull. You just have to throw all your morals to the dustbin.for example the armenian genicide was pretty much a success. The turks knew they eventually face a permanent conflict if they let alive the population. So they kill everyone. men, woman, children. All of them. Up to this day they can't really recover.
>>65431632>claims to have killed 75,000 over oct. 7>just some slaps on the wrists and to bed without supperYes. The Hamas’ stated goal is completely wiping all Jews off the map, from the river to the sea, not explicitly reciprocating that sentiment is definitionally a conservative response to that. Hamas from 2005 to 2022 took their large amounts of international aid and invested it in ways to kill Israelis. Which they did. Killing 700 civilians in a surprise attack is an act of war to any society that cares about its people. You probably live in the west and don’t believe that. Palis are just inept Arabs who can’t fight tactically and get bodied in every conflict but even win strategically through sacrificing huge amounts of their young and making overly-compassionate white people feel bad about the results of their poor Islamic decisions. Just because they’re losing doesn’t make them the good guys. I hope both lose.
>>65418444The current world order is based on preventing it because it is a threat to said order. Jews, libtards, weaklings, ect ect who run the managerial state absolutely cannot let white men get the idea that they can just take shit by force. If they did and they got away with it consistently it would be the end of their political-based power very quickly whether due to internal strife, external conquest making the aggressive parties strong enough to politically unseat their domestic competitors, or simply by changing the entire paradigm of political life. Hell you can see how they fight tooth and nail against racism for the same reason. Brutal self-interest for me but not for thee goyim."Their hypocritical, or mor accurately duplicitous, behavior have upended that. Fortunately for them Russia and China are full of incompetent retards too drunk/non-white to capitalize on the situation.
>>65426342>a pariah stateHeh, still around are you, good, Ive missed the sport of watching brown bio-mass try and mimic human behavior.
>>65418444International trade and moves to de-industrialize complicates any military action. Do something that is frowned upon? Say bye to eating food if your name is not the US or China
>>65431593>>65426342What if we kill all the muslim babies, after we kill al the jew babies? I'd be up for that, I think that's a fair deal which will make everybody happy. Everybody being whites of course as the others don't count.>>65422840Israel is a rough position political as they are the #1 supporter of non-white immigration to Europe. Seriously if you count NGOs its 90% of the revenue which supports mudslime importation. They(all jews) constantly say that whites can't have ethnostates while even the most libtarded ones support Israel's existence as an ethnostate even if they oppose Chabad's particular attempts to seize gaza and suppress any pan-arab political forces in the the region. No significant portion(>1%) oppose the the Zionist project of having an explicitly jewish state. They've already burned lots of political capital thus far, if they went whole hog not only might it fail because jews are generally incompetent and only seem competent in comparision to arabs they might get enough people sick of their shit they they can't suckle of America's tits anymore which is a death sentence since they rely on it. One side thinks jews are ebil whites who want to genocide the sinless darkies and thus should be killed because all whites who aren't total pussies with a racial humiliation fetish need to die. The other side thinks jews are parasitic kikes without any utility to their society who should be shot for the crime of existing. They have zero friends outside the political classes and a dwindling number of brainwashed boomers, and jeets can't forget those.
>>65418444For Israel's case, Palestine doubles as virtually their entire underclass so purging them would kill both countries. Russia too half-assedly wanted to subsume Ukraine's industry to make up for its own failures, which might had worked had they not reduced the entire populace to hating them. No one in the US wants to claim clay on the other side of the world when we can barely administer what we already have. This entire war was an abortive fever dream conducted on behest of foreign interests.
>>65432403India is very strong sir and we will protect our small but very fierce ally Israel.
>>65429839>As a Nazi racist bigot, It’s beyond tedious to seemingly have to defend IsraelThen you aren't a proper bigot, Israel spends trillions of dollars from white men(only we pay taxes) to inefficiently splat hadjis with no other benefit to us while spending a lot of that money to incentivize hadjis to move to our satrapies in Europe and get out of their curly hair. I laugh whenever jews or a-rabs kill each other but neither side has anything to offer me and if I was god-king of America I'd glass all the population centers and then strafe the columns of refugees as a last hurrah for the A-10 or and shakedown of its UAV successor.
>>65432425As I said. It is an exonym mantled upon me by those who wish to exterminate me to justify their lust for my erasure. I’d rather just play video games but if they want to define my life with violence I can’t run from that.
>>65432403>Israel is a rough position political as they are the #1 supporter of non-white immigration to Europe. Seriously if you count NGOs its 90% of the revenue which supports mudslime importation. They(all jews)You are so fucking stupid it's unbelievable. What proof do you have that Israel is behind these NGOs (many of whom are actually Christian or secular liberals) and why do you deny that a shitton of them are Christian? Meanwhile the Catholic Church and the Pope have opened their arms to migrants and have stated numerous times to let in migrants en masse.Why would Israel want to flood Europe with Jihadis who hate Israel and want to globalize the intifada?
>>65432826>You are so fucking stupid it's unbelievable. What proof do you have that israel is behind these NGOspic very, very related you filthy rancid rat
>>65418463Neolithic systematized cannibal rape we are the 5%https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoFQjAHsWE8
>>65432922What proof do you have that it's Israel behind the caravan you stupid fucking /pol/cel?Low iq antisemitism is so fucking real
>>65433157LMAO>literal photo evidence israel is behind the migration>hurrrrrrrrrrrrrr (((what evidence do you have?? hmmmmm? )))
>>65433269>catholic bishop who's head of one of the largest refugee ngos in the USAvs>one literally who settler who says european leftists should take the heccin dindu nuffin gazans in if they want to save them so badly>this is somehow a """"""conspiracy"""""" by nuttyahoo and mossad to flood europe and the west with people who despise israel and western civilizationnever breed you clinically retarded /pol/estinian shartycel and please don't shoot up a school
>>65418463Rome right up until they started encroaching into Germany
>>65432425>performative turdism wankWhy do you goobers feel the need to post these impotent fantasies whenever Israel gets mentioned? Like your getting purity tested by 4chinz of all places. Its become even more annoying than the israeli "shill" trolls, bunch of Pavlov's browns whenever the middle east gets mentioned making sure any discussion needs to stop and aknowledge just how much anon hates the kikes.
>>65432425If I was trying to enact The Turner Diaries IRL, I'd be aggressively extorting the Israelis for protection money in exchange for my NOT systematically slaughtering American Jews (and use the money to finance genociding the niggers, muzzies, and spics since they're more numerous and are an actual demographic threat).>"One missed payment and it's another six million up in smoke Scholmo!"
>>65428262I am more curious why they are holding themselves so much back. Not even other zuttslims like the palestinian cockroaches and would not mind to see them gone. What? Western two-faced ass kveching is really that much a factor? Most will forget about it in a week with their ADHD and if it does not concern them directly physically in their daily lives
>>65432826>What proof do you have that Israel is behind these NGOsThe publicly disclosed financial backing which the said NGOs must disclose in order to operate in most nations? Diaspora jews are known to operate and finance NGOs like The Open Society. Israel is known to provide most of its "foreign aid" in the form of financial support to libtarded NGOs and those which support non-whites immigrating to Europe in particular. In the US 50% of pro-immigration NGOs are run by a jew directly. This isn't some vague supposition about "da joos", we have the receipts. And the jews as a racial minority within an outsized impact on politics have a vested interest in preventing ethnonationalism.
>>65432365it's good to see that you concede my argument about how skipping 1948 and it's leadup is used by you to frame the narrative to present Israel is a helpless victim that doesn't have any agency in the situation it finds it's self inas for the restI agree that Hamaz wants to destroy the Jewish state, that it is a terrorist organization and that it carried out a flagrant and mass violation of human rightsI don't agree that they carried out a war crime because I do not consider them to be regular combatants for a state.the same as Israel in order to detain them without having to treat them as POW's only to then say they are warcriminals.Israel has killed 75,000 as per your own number and detained a further 12,000 plus wounded 125,000that's not " just some slaps on the wrists and to bed without supper" by any accountfurhtermore estimates placed hamaz between 15,000 and 30,000 members before oct.7 so that means that Israel has killed between 5 and two times as my people as Hamaz had members. as such it is safe to asume that a good chunk if not even most of those killed where in fact civilianseven if we only assume that civilians amount to 1/4 of the killed you are still looking at over 18750 dead civilians or over 25 times more than Hamaz killed and this again you claim is a "just some slaps on the wrists and to bed without supper"not only has the leveling of Gaza been a humanitairan disaster hurting mostly civilians.it has failed to achieve Israels stated goal of destroying Hamaz because now Israel estimates Hamaz membership at over 40,000 (sphesh marines)that is why "Nothing Israel does indicates they prefer there to be fighting around them" is so blatantly false.because just like the Westbank settlements it's policies keep giving the arabs more willing martyrs for the next round of fighting.it keeps drowning out any voice of peace on the Arab side out by the waves of bloodshed it unleashes on them.
>>65434159>the open societyGeorge Soros hates Israel, Zionism and is opposed to politicians like Netanyahu and Likud retard.https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/17/opinion/george-soros-israel-hungary.htmlThe leftist western Jews that are pro refugees that you speak of like Barbara Spectre are pro Palestinian and are hostile to an Israeli state and are opposed to any sort of right wing nationalistic politics in Israel.>in 50% of pro immigration ngos are run by a jew directly>source: dude trust meIsrael gains nothing from engaging in a backdoor conspiracy to flood western nations with Muslims and Turdists who hate Israel and western society retard. The western Jews who support mass migration are leftist self hating ones who are sharply critical of Zionism being either anti-Zionist or non-zionist. They aren't fucking Kahanists or Bibists, or the Haredim that suck baby dicks that /pol/ screeches and memes about.Low iq antisemitism is so fucking real.
>>65418444Israel's problem isn't that it can't seize all of Gaza, it's that the resulting diplomatic headache makes the endeavor simply not worth it. But the Extreme Right (who want Total Palestinian Death, consequences be damned) commands a lot of political pull in Israel, so it continues the war half-heartedly awnd without any real strategy for a final victory.Russia has the opposite problem, it has concrete goals that its leaders are dead set on (the destruction of Ukrainian statehood, rolling back and eventually weakening NATO to the point where they can challenge it in open conflict), it simply does not possess the means to accomplish them.
>>65418468>Azerbaijan Azerbaijan only recovered areas which they lost in early 1990s. That territory has always been Azerbaijani. It wasn't a conquest.
>>65435049>George Soros hates Israel, Zionism and is opposed to politicians like Netanyahu and Likud retard.And yet he facilitates their desire to get arabs to Europe and away from their own interests, Syria being an example. He and other diaspora jews do oppose the greater Chabad political movement because they see it as short sighted. They believe it paints a target on jews' backs collectively, you can read numerous pieces on that very divide within Israeli media. Net>Israel gains nothing from engaging in a backdoor conspiracy to flood western nations with Muslims and Turdists who hate Israel and western society retard. This is the same claim that faggots like Sargon of Cuckcad and his orbiters make to "rightwing" pro-Israeli jewish organizations in European nations. And yet at every turn they are told to fuck off and that the jews collectively see ethnonationalism as a bigger threat than importing muslims to Europe. Indeed if you wanted there to be anti-muslim sentiment to counteract some of the raical-masochistic sentiment pushed by lefty jews in those nations then importing disgusting foreigners doesn't hurt that ether. So long as that disgust never manifests as raical nationalism which excludes jews from white nations but rather can be directed towards support for an apparent proxy against the hated muslims, ie Israel. But that has not worked either in Europe or in America, since the younger right wingers are genocidal racists who correctly see jews as the root cause of the other problems. Without jews all these policies lose a great deal of political steam. > leftist self hating onesBullshit very few jews are self-hating, they will express anti-white sentiment and present themselves as white while doing so then turn around using the same social media profile and claim to not be white and be a protected racial minority the next day if somebody starts calling out the jews. This is not some vague hypothetical, it is a documented phenomenon. picrel
>>65418444Realistically it seems like the "conquerors" aren't fully committing to their campaign. It's really weird how much aggressors seem to limit themselves now.
>>65418444in the age of information and cheap machine guns holding territory has become more and more expensive. if the people you conquer dont like you they can give you hell much easier than they could in the past.
>>65439766Modern society requires most of its members to be willing participants in order to be productive. If you can't convince another society's populace to cooperate with you as an invader, then all you are left with is some mostly worthless land, a bunch of hostile natives that you will have to police or kill, and maybe if you are lucky some natural resources that you can extract once you bus in a bunch of your own people and build infrastructure...at a greater cost than just buying resources from a nearby nation whose populace is willing to work for peanuts and is already extracting that resource. And all this is after waging a very expensive war that is likely to cause political problems at home. At that point, why even fucking bother if you aren't on an ego trip and/or are a religious fanatic?
>>65433380>bunch of Pavlov's browns whenever the middle east gets mentioned making sure any discussion needs to stop and aknowledge just how much anon hates the kikes.Is there a problem with that?
>>65428318Are they running death camps in the occupied territories or is it a more decentralized effort?
>>65439008>literally who twitter posts>ignore all the shitton of christian missionaries and ngos importing refugees to western nations>this is all an israeli plotSoros funded the DSA, Mamdani and Palestinian marches whomst all are heavily anti zionist.the jews that hate whites the most like tim wise are the most critical of israel you retard. you still haven't explained what israel or mossad gets by flooding european and western nations with migrants who hate israel and western nations and want to globalize the intifada.
>>65418463All of history before 1945, thanks America
>>65442917True. The british, early ottoman and roman empire (and roman republic) did it all the time.
>>65442023>kkk/pol/Ireallyhateniggerscomic.jpegIt's an anonymous image board anon, you don't have to recite your lampshade fetish like its proof of membership
>>65438457Can't believe those Yankees are copycat.
>>65442042Just the old communist pogrom policy: move them someplace else to further destabilize and completely replace with new population.Ukraine bombing the info structure put up to support the new mongoloid imports is some of the most based things they’ve done.
