Holy shit, you can purchase NFA items without registration now at some stores in Texas. Feds did NOT appeal this decision. Are you tired of winning yet?>https://apnews.com/article/gun-law-silencers-texas-317be9ff54419c855919ec2bdc89d872>https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.txnd.406278/gov.uscourts.txnd.406278.136.0.pdf
>>65422164So is this just for the 5th Circuit or the whole country now? (Yes, I always get my legal advice from lizard ranching forums.)
>>65422178>The order benefits parties that brought the lawsuit, including some dealers based outside northern Texas, but it is not a national injunction.
>>65422178I live in Texas, I don't know care what problems other states have. Good luck!
damn we're like 40% of the way to having all the supposed rights we had 80+ years ago. Is this what winning looks like? Turning 90 years old by the time the NFA, ATF, and FFL system is entirely abolished? Or could it be that these tiny non-victories (you could always just not comply if you truly felt you had rights) are just to keep the masses satiated while nothing actually changes?
>>65422164Another change in the law that ban states can simply ignore, wow this changes everything.
>>65422391Another change in the law that ban states can ignore and the people that live in them can ignore the state.
>>65422164>Are you tired of winning yet?No.
>>65422193Hispanics are the majority of your population btw
>>65422478the serfs typically make up a larger percentage of the population, yes. excellent observation.
>>65422164Still can't throw a stock on my "pistol" without the atf wanting to fuck me in the ass though.
>>65422478Texas was created by Mezkins and Murricans that both decided to give the respective finger to their shit-tier governments, resulting in the creation of the Republic of Texas. We're not afraid of loyal Texans with Mezkin descent. We've lived together from the beginning, and will live together until the end.
>>65422545The majority of the Mexicans in Texas today came after 1965 and are mainly democratsRetard
Not a single dealer in a 100 mile radius of me is willing to do a 4473 only transfer on suppressors, this was a marketing scheme to sell suppressors quick. I bought two and was forced to do 2 Form 4s
>>65422598And the Texan Mezkins hate them just as much as we do, retard.
>>65422609All look the same to everyone else
>>65422193AZfag here and I have no quarrel with your people or land, but I will just say that we actually have public land to shoot on in AZ vs the 4-5% of total public land in Texas, of which very little is available for shooting. Also extremely few dot Indians compared to the insane shit I see from the internet over there. Y'all should really fix one of those things for your next priority though.
>>65422668>vs the 4-5% of total public land in Texas4% and shrinking>Indians compared to the insane shit I see from the internetour republicans are importing them
>>65422178Read the ruling for yourself. It is neither of those things lol. The plaintiffs in the case were granted injunctive relief from prosecution by the defendants (the BATFE) with respect to enforcement of the ATF NFA provisions challenged by the plaintiffs.. which include, per the ruling (that you can read if you don't want to just rely on the effort and labor of others)... "1 The challenged NFA provisions are 26 U.S.C. §§ 5812(a)–(b), 5822, 5841(a)–(c), (e), 5842(b),5861(b)–(f), (i), 27 C.F.R. §§ 479.62(a)–(d), and 479.84(a)–(d).""To note: ""Similar requirements apply to making an NFA firearm.5 See 26 U.S.C. § 5822. Amaker must complete a different application, called a Form 1, that requires substantially thesame information as a Form 4. 27 C.F.R. § 479.62(a). Besides filing a written applicationwith ATF, providing the necessary information, and notifying local law enforcement, see id.§ 479.62(b)–(c), a maker must engrave a serial number on his firearm. 26 U.S.C. § 5842(a);27 C.F.R. § 479.102(a)(1). And again, he must wait until ATF approves his applicationbefore taking any action. 27 C.F.R. § 479.64(c""But "Accordingly, and as further detailed in the Final Judgment, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, the United States....are permanently enjoined from enforcing the challenged NFA provisions as to untaxed firearms against the plaintiffs and, where applicable, the plaintiffs’ agencies, political subdivisions, members, and customers—both current and future"..so...Form 1 registration of NFA firearms including SBS, SBR, AOW and suppressors is being challenged. Plaintiffs include all current and future GOA members... Plaintiffs are granted injunctive relief prohibiting the enforcement of the challenge NFA provisions against the.....all current and future GOA members thus can in accordance with their local laws, manufacture private non-commercial firearms such as SBS, SBR, AOW and suppressors without Form 1 registration
>>65422510You can if a) your state and local laws allow it and b) you're a plaintiff named in the ruling If you've got enough braincells to read the ruling and determine that you're indeed qualified under b) or you determine how to go about becoming a plaintiff and thus qualified.... then have at it. Good luck.
will the rise of sbs double barrels or breacher shorties be more popular?
I always planned on kms with a silencer to not wake my mom up. Thank you Trump. Fuck the ATF.
>>65422605>I bought two and was forced to do 2 Form 4sRetard. Should’ve backed out when they refused. Also, why didn’t you actually look into any video on it? There’s certain caveats, also not all FFL’s are going head first until ATF gives out more clear wording on how this shit is going to work in detail.
>>65422886nigga atleast give your family some comfort and do it outside in a secluded area to save your family the sight of your hikineet body
>>65422605>this was a marketing scheme to sell suppressors quick.yea did you see all the suppressor sales 6-12 months ago?all gun shops are owned by glowniggers
>>65422545t. mexican
>>65422545>resulting in the creation of the Republic of Texas>with NO PUBLIC LANDS>*excepting Great Bend Shit Park
>>65424014Hey we have other public lands. And no, you're not allowed to know you fucking Okie
>>65422478They were also a majority of our population when we won independence from Mexico at the Alamo, Goliad, and San Jacinto. You really aren't making the point you think you are.
>>65422605No shit they're dragging their feet. All their existing suppressors are already registered as NFA items, there's no guidance from the ATF yet on how to take an NFA registered firearm out of the NFA system without getting their dogs and infant children shot and their wives and children burned to death.
>>65422913>>65424731I applaud any FFL doing it rn but also accept that they are ballsy as hell and putting their business at risk
>>65422668I shoot on my own property. Not my problem.
>>65424014>oh no public landsYeah. Texas sucks if your no-friends or poor. In that regard, its fucking perfect.
>tfw still in NFA state
>>65422283>p-progress is bad!! We aren't winning unless every single gun law on the books gets overturned immediately!!!kill yourself
Silencer Shop put out a YT video yesterday saying any of their "powered by" dealers can sell you a suppressor with just a 4473 (in free states, etc) so in theory it could be nationwide that way.https://youtu.be/Iwr7DwFBMrM
>>65424857And any GOA member in any non-retarded state can theoretically slap a sub-16" barrel into their AR, or a stock on their pistol, since the making stamp isn't needed anymore for them, and the GCA is silent about *making* SBRs. (IIRC it is not silent about making SBSs).
>>65424857Good luck convincing one of those dealers to actually do it though, since they have to process your yellow form and *they* aren't a covered party, so absent guidance from the ATF they're almost certainly gonna insist on the NFA form anyway.
>>65422178Texas only. Judges cant overturn the constitution
>>65425596>Judges cant overturn the constitutionDoesn't stop them from trying
>>65425596>cant overturn the constitutionThe nfa isn't constitutional Supdeep
>we're winning so hard>oh wait, you still need the government's permissionAs long as FFLs exist and I can't order a machine gun directly from the manufacturer to my door, the ATF wins.
>>65426312>if it's not a complete win, it's a lossgo be a faggot somewhere else
>>65424848All or nothing fags are either shills or literally retards who don't understand that demanding all or nothing just gets you nothing
>>65422283Not really, the rest of the constitution is being ritually burned while you guys jerk off over being able to buy a range toy that is slightly more interesting than the ones you used to be able to buy, you need to zoom out a bit and look at the big picture, this is the gun version of giving a $200 tax refund check to every american while your health insurance 3x's but hey, $200 wow! Everything is just fine!
>>65426541what are you worried about? invaders who bring their dozen children with them? healthcare isn't a constitutional right, if you can't pay for cholesterol medication than you shouldn't get any.
>>65426575You're barely sentient
>>65424841Move.
>>65425511GOA just added corporate memberships so your FFL can now join and get the GOA exemption.
>>65425596It's for all plaintiffs, no matter what state they're in.
>>65422164Does that little fucker actually do anything tangible for 9mm reduction, or just take the edge off just enough to be marketable as functioning?
I'm going to put a stock and vertical grip(90°) on my pistols and open carry. Wish me luck bros
>>65426541>any of this Holy shit rope is free you faggot.
>>65426582>nooooo you HAVE to pay for my diabetes and bipolar disorder!!!!No.
>>65422164>you can purchase NFA items without registration now at some stores in Texas.This is like when people were buying those "fuel filters" from China. No you absolutely should not be buying this stuff outside of regular channels and nothing is remotely certain until the appeal window is exhausted. Frankly I'm still in the mindset that nothing ever happens, it'd be nice if I was wrong but I'm usually not.
>>65427559An injunction is usually a few good indicator of victory, and while everyone is jumpy it is legally protected for the time being under the right circumstances. I got a GOA membership last year in preparation for this happening, but I'm still going to be holding off on making any suppressors, I've been waiting for this since the first time I heard of the NFA, I can wait a few more weeks or months for this to settle out. It's looking good though and if people want to jump on it there is a legal path forward.
>>65424837This mindset is why the western states consider your "gun culture" hilarious and half-baked, btw
>>65422886>killing yourself >right when the NFA is getting dismantled in real timeAt least stick around to see the possibilities, anon.
A few thousand FFL employees and customers when the ATF decide to be dicks in a few weeks
>>65422605Sure are retarded to think it would take effect instantly. Dealers are waiting for proper information from the government and their lawyers. No one wants to risk a felony for a few hundred dollars
>>65427847>he thinks it's about the money
>>65427892their livelihood for you (impatient) freedom is a tough choice.
Happening? https://x.com/InsiderWire/status/2088792652162474122
>>65427559>No you absolutely should not be buying this stuff outside of regular channels and nothing is remotely certain until the appeal window is exhausted.Gun rights would never move an inch with your pussy ass mentality. People like you following the law to the letter then waiting for the law to change then proceeding to follow it to the letter again aren't pro-gun, you're a fucking hobbyist with zero concept of the 2nd amendment. Do you think the founding fathers would've respected you? Do you think they would've cared if you could own a gun? You're clearly never going to do anything with it that requires any balls at all.
>>65427822It's literally not even logistically possible. Do you know how hard it is to track down stuff once it hits the market? Especially in that kind of quantity? They'd probably at most demand that they be registered if you were to resell it. >>65427847There are a large number of dealers reported to be doing it. Please stop projecting your own inherent weakness onto everyone else to feel normal. And both of you go back to fucking ribbit, old /k/ would've never been saying this faggot ass shit.
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>>65428542Yeah nice reply retard. I say again: you are not ally of the 2nd amendment, you are a tourist. If Trump actually nukes the NFA I'm going to make daily threads for a year mocking people like you.
>>65428584>Donald "ban the bump" Trump in favor of nerfing the NFAYou people primary antigun retards for the GOP then wonder why other people are cynical about things ever improving.
>>65428594To be fair that was his opinion 8 years ago. He may be more aware his constituency is very, very pro 2a. >8 years agoGod...
>>65427847>No one wants to risk a felony for a few hundred dollars>Melanin has entered the chat
>>65428693Stop excusing this shit. Trump has DECADES of documented support for shit like the AWB and waiting periods. He supported Obama's push for more gun control after Sandy Hook and he's echoed Hillary on muh NRA and muh violent vidya games. He's from New York and he has all of the standard issue New York opinions. This shit precedes him though, Bush senior's administration fucked up rifle imports and if you bring it up people make excuses.
people in america only care about guns because it's a fun hobby, not because it gives them the ability to defend themselves against tyrannyeverybody who cares about this stuff is a hobbyist, nothing more
>>65428723>Bush senior's administration fucked up rifle imports and if you bring it up people make excuses.And I never got why republicans slobbed on Reagan's knob so hard. He was anti-gun and pro immigration
>>65428733I can't remember an administration in my life that was actually pro-gun in the first place. Some of them paid lip-service to the idea, but generally speaking it was always a gradual erosion of civil liberties and firearms restrictions were a part of that.
>>65425596it was a federal judge ruling on a federal law, this does affect the entire countrythe important catch is the ruling affects plaintiffs' parties, eg it means it affects members of Gun Owners of Americaif you are not a member, the ruling doesnt affect younow it doesnt take any time or effort to become a member though, i would just do that before doing anything just for the legal protection
Le Blump is an anti-gun chudggot cuck. It's GOA, FPC, and a federal judge or two in the northern district if Texas who are based AF and pro gun. Even NAGR are cuck bitch boomer neo-NRA.
>>65428733I've often wondered the exact same thing for the exact same reasons. I think it's just that he was good for the upper class so the talking heads told people to like him. You can go back even further to Nixon who thought people shouldn't own revolvers because muh children.If anything good ever happens, and nothing good ever happens, it's despite The Party and not because of it.
>>65428756It basically does affect everyone in the free states. There's no way for the ATF to enforce shit. Whos supposed to check if youre a PSA customer or GOA member? ATF? Company you're buying from online? The FFL?
>>65428535>Dude bro once you buy a suppressor online with your credit card (verified with billing address) and it's transferred to an FFL where you fill out a 4473 and provide valid photo ID and pay the transfer fee with your credit card and it's entered into the FFL's bound book they have NO WAY to find you
>>65428812they cant but its $25 for membership for GOA & it takes 5 minutes, if thatim not in a free state sadly but if i was i'd get that membership before doing anythingif $25 is all it takes to lower my odds of a felony, im definitely doing iti dont trust the ATF enough not get that extra protection still, plus GOA played a big role in getting it where its at today so id have no problem giving them the $25 for membership
>>65428822thisits at least a bit different if its paying cash in store but theres still that 4473, its just that they have to pull it from the store and happen across your 4473 for a suppressor vs them pulling all purchase records from a suppressor seller & seeing every FFL they shipped it tobig problem with this too is theres only a few FFLs being ballsy and selling them with a 4473the biggest change is i think this means you can make them now yourself, just huge grey area when it comes to moving it across state lines
>>65428693>>65428723we are just lucky right now that iran is backfiring on him right before midterms so he/the GOP is worried about losing voters if they let the DOJ/ATF fight this, i dont think they really care that much about the NFA ending or at least care more about the election than they do the NFA right now
>>65429088Truke. I am also in a NFA state but I'm hoping they'll make the push for us to be included, somehow. Personally expecting things to take another year. Suppressors/SBRs got $0 stamps last year, deregulated for some this year, various state laws amended next yearExcept for poor bastards in NY, CA, and where ever else explicitly bans NFA items
>>65422742I live in PA we got state laws that say you do
>>65429117>I am also in a NFA state but I'm hoping they'll make the push for us to be included, somehowat least where im at its just because the law was written that 'you can have NFA items as long as it has the form 1 registered with the ATF' instead of the generic 'you can have NFA items as long as they are following federal guidelines' like the free states, because it was specific its now this catch-22 where the form 1 is unconstitutional but state law requires itits an open & shut case, just takes someone actually trying it first
>>65429088>im not in a free state sadly but if i was i'd get that membership before doing anything>if $25 is all it takes to lower my odds of a felony, im definitely doing itOr.stop being a Jew and back one of the few organdoi g what it's supposed to be doing and not some retarded NRA org>plus GOA played a big role in getting it where its at today so id have no problem giving them the $25 for membershipThere ya go.
>>65429136It has to go to the supreme court for the form 1 to be found unconstitutional, and only then will you be able to violate the form 1 requirement. But faggot states will still find some other loophole to keep NFA items banned and will take years to be challenged in court.
>>65428822Just pointing out, if you buy literally ANYTHING online or in person with a credit card that is gun related or even adjacently related, and I mean absolutely ANYTHING, you're already on a list for being a gun owner, and it takes only a few points of deductive reasoning to make an educated guess as to what you own. This includes magazines, holsters, duty-belts, WMLs, red dots and other optics, gun cases, gun cleaning kits, even fucking slings. If you bought something gun related, more-often-than-not, the feds can figure out what you own if they wanted to.
>>65429520I hope our names are touching on the list anon.
>>65429649Our tips will be touching.
>>65422164I'm pretty sure in states that only say "comply with federal regulations" and not "registration in accordance with federal law" or similar, such as WA making an SBR without form 1 is fine.Lawtubers are only saying "wait and see" because they'll literally only accept guidance from law enforcement organizations as legitimate.
>>65422886>it would be inconsiderate to wake mom up>but it's okay if she finds her child's brains all over the room Get a fucking grip, you're mom doesn't deserve that
>>65430193>states that only say "comply with federal regulations" is fineNope. This judge's injunction very explicitly says "they can't prosecute you for this" not "these laws are stricken from the books". Your non-form-4 silencer or SBR isn't legal, they just can't prosecute you for it. But because it isn't legal, it doesn't get you past state regulations. That's part of the mess of complexity this judge tossed in our (protected class, ATF, and FFLs) collective laps.
>>65430238Goodm fuck lawyers. Buncha Jews holdingthe country hostage. Can't figure out how to prosecute? Good.
