Except the mandatory AKs being inaccurate, mine is don't drop a pistol slide on an empty barrel because the gun will blow up and get damaged by doing what it does every single time it shoots anyway
Germans lost Stalingrad because the MP40's long magazine meant that German troops could not go prone when firing, meaning they had to kneel or brace. Meanwhile the USSR had SMGs that allowed them to go prone.
>>65425482Lmfao that's a new one
>>65425469On a Hi-Power you can absolutely wreck the slide stop that way. I tried.
>>65425469Right forgot about this one Guns need to be clean enough to eat from them 100% of the time else they'll fall apart or get rusted
>>65425469"5.56 NATO was designed to wound".
The shockwave caused by a near miss from .50 BMG will tear limbs off, collapse a lung, etc
>>65425550Well yeah it was just like every other bullet ever made
>>65425550Pretty much every piece of M16 history prior to the 1970s is steeped in misinformation that sprung out of Vietnam, its probably easier to say what isnt tainted by fuddlore
>>65425469Telling GOA members >You need to buy from PSA
>>65425512How?
>>65425841Idk it's a long, thin bit of metal and apparently feeding rounds slows the slide down enough it doesn't absolutely murderfuck the slide stop unlike slamming it home on empty
Bullets do more damage at long range where the velocity has dropped enough they don't overpenetrate>>65425550>>65425618And other classics like>.50 cal must be aimed at enemy belt buckles because it's anti-materiel else its a warcrime!!
>>65425482Fuq, we might have a contender
Sten guns had their mags welded to the gun so you could kill a German with it and take his gun instead. I first heard this as a kid and thought I'd imagined the whole thing for years, until I heard it again in 2023
Pretty much everyone I've met over age 40 who was in the military was told the "it's a warcrime to shoot someone with a .50 but it's fine if you say you were aiming at their canteen/radio".Honestly with how prolific it is I think this was spread intentionally by leadership to avoid wasting ammo or something.
>>65425469"The ping gave away gave away when you reloaded your garand."Because you would hear that in the middle of a fire fight without modern earpro, and it would totally matter, because none of the reloading GI's fellow riflemen would light you up, and the automatic rifleman sucks dicks and drinks jizz out of solo cups I guess.
>>65425890Don't forget the extension of that. "GIs would bang empty clips against their helmets to bait enemy soldiers out of cover"
keltec is shit.
>>65425890> he's never played hell let loose
>>65425889I have heard this here in Europe too, same with the x was designed to wound memeSome things are universal
>>65425899You don't go deaf in HLLI have done this in vidya too but in vidya you can actually hear shit
>you NEED a suppressor on your gun or you're going to have serious hearing damage even if you wear hearing protection every timefuck off
>>65425934Depends on the gun.22s, PCCs? Your derision is completely justified.Short-barreled AR-15? Can actually get loud enough that the bone conduction is enough to damage your hearing even if your ears were completely plugged.
>>65425890>automatic rifleman sucks dicks and drinks jizz out of solo cupsthis one is true though
ceramic plates only stop one round and cannot be dropped and expire after five years, so you need to use steel.Also .22lr is small enough to weave between fibers in a kevlar vest
>>65425854Reminds me of the type 14 nambu. You cant dry fire them or else you will break the firing pin tip, Yes this is real
>>65425482I'll see that and raise you>the Germans lost WW1 because their artillery was basically buried in the ground due to recoil from firing from the same place since 1914 so when the Americans showed up in 1917 and pushed them back the Germans were forced to abandon all their artillery
>>65425859>50 cal must be aimed at enemy belt buckles because it's anti-materiel else its a warcrime!!I was told back in 2016 during ship gunnery training that .50s were to be used ONLY at the enemy boat not the people on the boat so there is backing to that. I had heard that myth before and was surprised there is even still some truth to it
>>65425975>Also .22lr is small enough to weave between fibers in a kevlar vestKek that’s a new one. What about .223? Is that also small enough to weave between fibers in a kevlar vest?
>>65425934I've heard a similar thing too many times lol it's exhausting They said that earplugs aren't enough of an ear protection even on outdoor ranges that you're gonna go deaf eventually If you have something in your ears that makes them not start ringing when you shoot a gun you're safe, there's zero reason to overcomplicate, you don't even need earmuffs they're just bulky
>>65426007> .223 There's obviously a difference of .003 so it's too thick to pass through the fibers kek
>>65425512Never had that issue with the Inglis I had, never saw it outside of "The Internet". Considering that pin also has to take the stresses of the barrel coming back and being cammed downward under the full recoil force of the shot during the normal operation of the piece, it seems like the slide coming forward with less energy damaging it would be unlikely.>>65425991This was due to a combination of poor design, (somewhat rectified by later versions going to the "Short Pin") and poor metallurgy.I had a '43 "Large Ring" that had a postwar made replacement pin that was of much better materials.A similar circumstance exists with the Czech M52 pistols. Original pins seem to be made of cast iron.It got dry snapped all the time, with zero issues.
>>65425482>>65425878>>65425890>>65425895>>65425992Wait til you hear this one > Germans fucked up their invasion of USSR because they used diesel powered tanks that froze and couldn't start in cold weather unlike Russian tanks that were gassers and ran fine It was a complete opposite btw Also > It took (insert number) of shermans to take down one tiger
>>65426074Mine didn't break off at the pin, it snapped in half.
Alright now, brother. Lookin' through this thread I see it's a bunch of inexperienced nancy boys taking the hard earned experience of long time combat vets and sayin' it's false without a lick of though or evidence. Don't none of yall knock it till ya try it lest you end up 6 feet under like many a men who doubted us and our abilities.
>>65425486>>65425876Unironically I've said it a few times on /k/ and it actually came from a documentary on WW2 that was covering Stalingrad. It might have been The Price Of Empire or The World At War, it was a German(?) veteran saying it, or perhaps a Russian veteran saying it. I forget. I've tried to find it but couldn't.
>>65425469>revolvers are the best carry option. theyre more reliable, dont jam, and if you can't do it in five shots, dont bother Is probably the most retarded one, though >.22 and .38 are still good self-defense rounds because police used to have .38 for years and an alaskan bear was once killed with .22Is a close contender
>>65426021Oh yeah duh
>>65425469>5.7 is the exact same as .22 wmr!What they dont tell you is that from a pistol barrel it does slightly better/about the same as .22 wmr from a rifle barrel
>>65426158Rare time I side with boomers. .22, .38, or .380 are all fine to carry.
>>65425469My dad occasionally drops lore I’ve never heard of. >you are legally only allowed to own a max of 20,000 rounds of ammunition
>>65425992This has a kernel of truth. But it was because the ground was so chewed up by arty that the gun carriages were getting stuck in the mud and couldn't keep up with the speed of retreat. Same thing happened on offense btw, at verdun the guns were limited in how far the could advance that first week because they couldn't cross the shelled ground that was too soft, so the advance stalled at the edge of its artillery cover.
>>65425735huh?
>>65426018Have you ever been next to a rifle with a muzzle brake on the firing line?
>>65426234theyre okay if the problem is squirrels, snakes, birds, coons, or rats. anything else is delusional
>>65426082Again, never heard no seen this, outside of 'teh interwebs'.Not saying it cannot happen, just that it is not as common as you may think.
>>65426435A .22 isn’t the best carry round for sure, but a gun is a gun. You draw on someone they will certainly think twice.
>>65426478Let’s not do anything unnecessary for no benefit. If you dry fire a S&W Airweight you can see sparks from the firing pin striking coming out the firing pin holeA Mauser 98 spring is so strong that over time it’ll embed the striker into the bolt and start piercing primers. We had one anon whose striker snapped in two dryfiring it.
>>65426485>If you draw your ccw you might as well shoot the other guy. You'll get in legal trouble either way.
>>65426255NTA, but Palmetto State armory released videos and press releases saying can only only have suppressors or sbrs or sbs if they were purchased from PSA and were a member of Goa to not have atf go after you. If actually read the opinion it says atf can't seek prosecution of Goa members or silencer shop customers or PSA customers. PSA is banking their current customers and future customers are retards that can't read
>>65426007It's actually old school lore. .22LR is literally one of the two NIJ Level I threats so it'll be stopped by all but the weakest vests (correctional stab + "IA" from like fucking 1982 or some shit rated for .22LR but only out of a zip gun). >>65426021yeah duhhhh
>>65426234jesus christ that pic is literally my dad. Even looks like him
>>65425469i had in a High Power develop hammer follow when dropping the slide on an empty chamber. The hammer would half to the half cock notch and not fire thank god for that. it would do it not always but 1/3. changed springs and still would do it. with a cartidge it didnt do that because the brass would dampen the slide hit
>>65426500>Let’s not do anything unnecessary for no benefit. Fair enough.>If you dry fire a S&W Airweight you can see sparks from the firing pin striking coming out the firing pin holeLOL. Maybe one of the new ones. I used to dry snap the Aircrewman I had all the time til someone pointed out how valuable they'd gotten.>A Mauser 98 spring is so strong that over time it’ll embed the striker into the bolt and start piercing primers. We had one anon whose striker snapped in two dryfiring it.Considering dry-fire and bolt manipulation was a part of the training program in the German army for the whole time the '98 was in use, I find this one amusing. >>65426557You were half right, you did have a spring issue, and possibly a fit issue.
>>65425927kill power was explicitly NOT part of the 5.56 design goals though, the "designed to wound" is just an oversimplification of that because obviously the only way to take an enemy soldier out of combat is to cause wounds (whether or not those wounds are ultimately fatal is less important than carrying more ammo, etc)
>>65425469my boomer coworker gets the carbine williams story (which is already fudd lore) confused with kalashnikov and claims he designed the ak47 while in a gulagi simply dont want to argue with him jej
>>65426478I can't be sure it wouldn't have happened on the next live round instead, but it happened
>>65426610is that a mark III? werent those pieces of shit with cast parts?
>>65426628The only POS here has been the slide stop. The replacement hasn't died on me yet
>>65425878Anon, are you from a certain nordic country? I heard the same thing as a kid
>>65425482Well could they go prone?
>>65426004There is no truth to it. It's military fuddlore. My theory is they are confusing 50 BMG with 20mm Raufoss which would indeed be a war crime to use on personnel.
>>65426158These are both true though. t. EDCs a .38 and would switch to .32
>>65426527In PSA's defense aren't most people, and in turn most of their customer base, exactly those kind of people? It simplifies the situation to apply the broadest protection to their customers, likely as advised by a lawyer to prevent the risk of some mouthbreather trying to sue because "PSA said this"
German wwii tanks were diesel powered
>>65425859>>65426004>>65426732that fuddlore made it to other militaries toot. idf
>>65425469>Dude! I'm tellin' ya dude! That there 556 is one of the most destructive rounds ever created! Back in 'Nam, when the soldiers shot one o' them chinks, the bullet just tumbled around inside them like a pinball machine!Always gets a chuckle out of me lol.
>>65426597A Vietnam vet boomer who owns a surplus store gave some some winners,>20rnd mags used in the m16 had a curve to them, they were not straight. You are getting them confused with the m14 mags sonnny >the us did a war game with north Korea and they kicked our asses! He looked and was a little unhinged so I didn’t push the issue
>>65426074Yeah it’s the metal heat treat or composition for sure>>65426082I snapped mine when I first got it. I had the original retipped, and a new duplicate one made. After that I got a set of snap caps. It the only gun I own that needs a set
>>65426777I don’t know why boomers love denying objective facts. Probably too much lead
>>65426777>the us did a war game with north Korea and they kicked our assesThat one was probably true
>>65426672Finland?
>>65426261Yeah I have, you feel the shockwave on your skin but your ears are plugged so you're fine
>>65426806I really don't have a problem with brakes unless I'm at an indoor range or I'm in an outdoor range booth with no sound dampening whatsoever.
>>65425618My legitimate marine sniper, combat instructor at ITB told me this fuddlore shit. He had deployments and everything so I don't know if he was fucking with us but I believed it for a long time because if a sniper said it, it was true.
>>65426732Why is it a war crime to shoot enemy soldiers with calibers higher than 12.7mm/.50 inch when it's not a war crime to blow them up with artillery?
>>65426811I do understand the indoor range thing, it really can be loud inside but I've only been to an indoor range twice and both times only pistols were used (no point in using anything else at that short range plus it's boring) Outdoor ranges are more popular in my country anyway and I like rifles more so that's where I shoot most of the time. I've heard you're gonna get fucked up without double protection and it can sometimes make me paranoid but then again I know dudes who were in a literal warzone and still shoot without any earplugs and they hear just fine lol I have a pair of rubber tree like earplugs that are 30 decibels rated, idk they make guns sound mild so I suppose I'm fine
>>65426675I think this is concluded from the fact that earlier ww1 submachine guns had side magazines because it made it easier to shoot while resting on the trench wall so someone drew a dumb conclusion that vertical magazines made things like that impossible which is retarded because every military including the red army had vertical mag smgs
>>65426158You're trying too hard.
>>65426811I know a gunsmith who owns a range and is a war veteran and he claims 308 Winchester is the most powerful commercial rifle round and that it has a range of 5 kilometers lmao Well he's kinda right in an odd way because at least here 308 is the cheapest high caliber you can buy so you can have more firepower and yeah it technically can fly in the air for 5 kilometers lol
>>65426527>PSA banking their current customers and future customers are retardsSeems like a good bet to hedge on their part.
>>65426862Considering 308 can even be considered a high caliber, I was taught that it is, idk it's in the same category as 30-06 and 8x57 and definitely isn't same as 223 and 7.62x39
>>65426234380 is fine 22 and 38 and 32 are cringe They’ll all kill a person obv
>>65426870I mean ballistically, most modern .308 is close enough to .30-06 that anyone saying there's a difference in what kind of game you can take is fooling themselves.
>>65426750PSA is not doing it in the best interest for their customers lol. They want your money.
>>65425469>If you shoot someone with a .22, it'll ricochet all over your body and is more lethal than any other round, that's why the mafia used them!
>>65426875Honestly all of these calibers are insanely OP anyway, there's really no practical difference between them unless you're chasing a target you can't even see without serious magnification so literally just buy whatever uses the cheapest ammunition, all of them will take down every animal except an elephant
>>65426888.308 is really the minimum if you want to do things at range, or maybe any 6.5mm cartridge, they used to use 6.5x55 in ISSF 300m rifle after all
>>65426732I personally was told by whoever the navy guy instructing us was, probably a chief, during our time-killing gunnery training that we were explicitly prohibited from shooting humans with the M2HBs pintle-mounted on the catwalks for ship defense on the LHD that gave us a ride for our MEU. Like I said, for me that was a surprising (partial) confirmation of the myth. Naturally I immediately asked if he knew why we were prohibited from doing and he had no answer. The myth boomers profess is actually so entrenched that it’s possible it is believed (falsely) even by active command groups. Navies looove tradition. Enjoy this self-deprecating military in-joke
>>654268887mm Mauser has killed more elephants than any other round in history. Granted I wouldn’t believe most of the kills were from a single shot
>>65425469AKs are inaccurate 4moa shitheaps that's not fuddlore
>>65426931AKs are 6 gorillion MOA I know because I heard it from a guy who served in 'Nam
If you use a bore snake your dragging a diamond cutting string though your barrel and will wear your barrel crown down
>>65426918I know of whom you speak->W.D.M. Bell shot 1,011 elephants during his career; all of them bulls apart from 28 cows.>Around 800 of his elephant kills were made with a Rigby-Mauser, which he acquired from London gunmaker John Rigby & Company. Built on the Mauser 98 action, chambered for the 7×57mm Mauser, using the 1893 pattern standard military 172.8 grain round-nosed full metal jacket load.
>>65426918I always mix the fudd calibers up, there's too many 7 millimeters to remember lol but I get what you're talking about
>>65425550>5.56 NATO was designed to tumble>Old man at gun store explains that the bullet flips end-over-end like a shuriken through the air like that one Chinese sniper movie clip>mfw>Too autistic/polite to correct him, go back to waiting for my transfer to finish
>>65425482This sounds like something millennial gamers would make up rather than boomers
>>65426931Some AKs are but I have encountered surprisingly accurate rifles too
>>65425469>every AK that the soviets/russians use has a tracker built into it so they know where every gun is, in order for guns to not fall into partisan hands>.22LR is the deadliest caliber as it penetrates your skull then bounces around inside the skull and turns your brain to mush>the 1911 barrel doesn't tilt when firing. If it did it would be impossible to zero.All these are from my fudd sport shooter boomer dad.
>>65426805Ditto>>65426732.50 BMG Raufoss is technically against the Hague convention, but so is every 20mm HE round which nobody cares about
>>65425469That fuddlore about old metallurgy and if you shoot surplus guns, they'll explode. Yes, metal weakens over time; no, 1-2 centuries is not enough to make a good gun just catastrophically fail in an abrupt way.
>>65426959> the bullet flips end-over-end like a shuriken through the air like that one Chinese sniper movie clipI would like to see this movie clip
>>65427678doesn't surplus ammo sometimes explode? almost killed that youtuber
>>65425618This Ranger even says this. wtfhttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/cEvumGRwqP0
>>65427678Don't those myths mostly come from people shooting really spicy modern hunting loads out of surplus guns that were never built to handle those pressures?
>>65427692His weapon was a poor design alone made from barrels designed to be screwed into a barrel extension with the extremely massive combined bolt and barrel assemblies long recoil, not contained by a screwed-on breech cap not designed by a mechanical engineer. The gun was also absolutely not designed to take that ammo. Most new .50s aren’t. Most importantly. They were also reloads from an unknown origin and he was ignoring or didn’t see the signs of over pressure. It was not the first round that destructed the gun.
>>65425469Mosin Nagants with poison paint (orange on the sight ranges and the reciever markings) for the shooter to lick to avoid capture.Because, you know, if they intend to kill themselves then that's the obvious way to do it while possessing a rifle.
>>65425469You only need 6 rounds.
>>65427723It likely comes from many sources. >poor inherent designG41/G43 will just beat themselves to death over their lives>poor understanding of captured weaponsJapanese Type 38 trainers not designed to take full power ammo or even metal bullets at all>previously unseen damage to weapon>using wrong ammoSmokeless in a black powder gun>bad reloads“I just filled the case to the top with pistol powder”>operator errorSent another one after squibbing old surp ammoPeople have been dumb for years anon. Bias and rumor are a hell of a drug.
>>65427723>Don't those myths mostly come from people shooting really spicy modern hunting loads out of surplus guns that were never built to handle those pressures?The progenitor of the myth started with US GI's taking training rifles back home from Japan, and they'd just explode on the first shot because they're designed for wooden bullets and small powder loads.There's people who still fire 'last ditch' Arisakas and they haven't exploded yet, even with modern factory ammo. Bolt action guns are pretty much bulletproof unless you seriously fuck up somewhere.
>>65426158.22 rounds have killed the most things to date.
>>65427678I wouldn't say metal weakens over time, more that wear and tear may weaken a gun over time, including rusting in storage over long periods. Steel should more or less be stable AFAIK. The older it is, the less we did know about metallurgy, however, and it may be lower quality steel as compared to today. Brass may be iffy; I've heard ammonia (?) may weaken brass and embrittle it, which possibly some ammo may break down into? IDK; been too long. All I know is I've definitely seen some ORIGINAL unfired ~100+ y/o ".30 ARMY" (old name for .30-40 krag) ammo with split necks and some green on the cases. One that can for sure weaken over time is Zinc or ZAMAK, though, as if the alloy is just a little contaminated, it can straight up crumble like the whole thing converted to rust. Ditto tin with tin pest. Crazy shit.>>65427692That's Kentucky Ballistics. He just did a podcast where he went through what happened. I knew he cut his artery but not all the other shit. Luckily he cut the one leaving the brain instead of leading to the brain (?) but the chunk also deflected off his collarbone and deflated his left lung, or more accurately, filled it with blood. They then had to use one of those massive fucking lung drain tubes on him (basically a pipe or pvc hose with a sharp end). While he was awake. With only topical anesthetic. And then because he's so fucking muscular, they couldn't get it between his ribs for minutes of trying. FUCK THAT. I'm pretty fucking content with lower pressure non-50 non-magnum rifles over here even if that was mostly due to bad ammo combined with poor gun choice. I don't like tempting fate; it ususally bites me in the ass and I like silencing guns anyways (and magnums and 50s are pretty bad choices for that).
>>65427752I've never even heard of this one. Did they at least actually paint fill the markings with normal orange paint? I'm curious where the color part of that story would've come from otherwise. One that is true and (very?) mildly related is that Arisakas were finished with a finish containing Urushiol from the Chinese Lacquer Tree. Now, you may say "Anon, Urushiol sounds so familiar, where have I heard that name before?" That's the stuff that puts the poison in poison ivy! Yeah, traditional lacquer finishes in Japan (and maybe China?) come from the Chinese Lacquer Tree, or more specifically, Toxicodendron Vernicifluum. The Toxicodendron family also includes Poison Oak, Poison Sumac, and Poison Ivy! The crazy fuckers harvest the sap out of the trees and drip it into buckets to collect it like it's maple syrup. Once it's cured, it actually doesn't cause rashes, though it needs a particular humidity range to cure to the right color. Now, just because it's cured doesn't mean stupidity can't make it harmful again. Sand it and you're in for a fucking WORLD of pain. Keep it in good shape and don't bubba it and it will be nice back, however. It won't kill you but it may make you wish it had if you breathe lacquer dust.
>>65427788Arisakas are bulletproof, but there are bolt actions that are a lot weaker than the most robust action to have existed
>>65426959i mean if you shoot 62gr or heavier out of an 1:12 barrel it will do that
>>65425482More like the Russians had companies and battalions with every single soldier carrying a PPsh while the Mp40 was like 1 per squad.
>>65427788I kind of fell for the last ditch being unsafe thing for a bit. Believing the metal was weaker or a rushed production. Then I got into Japanese rifles and realized what the differences were, mostly comfort and non-essential stuff removed. Type 99s are all functionally the same level of safety, very robust. >>65427891The myth was it was orange paint and they were given to marksmen and other specialists who wouldn't want to be captured. The WW2 guns didn't have that paint. It was something rifles got as they went through post-war factory refits/inspections just so the markings were easier to read. The channel Backyard Ballistics had a really in depth Type 38 restoration where he talked about the Japanese finishes. Even messing his first try up and getting a nearly black stock. Which I had seen before once or twice in person and thought someone just painted it.
>>65426931Brother I can get a 4 MOA group with a WASR and irons. AKs *are* generally fine. The new PSA ones actually fuck.
>>65428014Lmao the poison paint is a new one I've never heard that one they're probably fucking with us The myth might be related to the tritium paint used on dials inside tanks and other vehicles which is toxic and radioactive and will kill you eventually
>>65426931Bruh M70s especially newer ones are consistently 1.5-2 MOA and are more accurate than the guy holding it in most cases, there's no reason for an AK to be innacurate within it's effective range if it's not damaged That myth came part from vidya gameplay balancing and part from Vietnamese or mujahideen who didn't even bother to aim correctly and just mag dumped at short range
>>65427678Plenty or ww 1 and 2 guns were not designed for longevity. The design could be fine but corners would but cut to get the gun out the door right now. Like only heat treating parts of 1911s instead of the whole thing uniformly. Or m1 carbines.
>>65427940>i mean if you shoot 62gr or heavier out of an 1:12 barrel it will do thatMaybe at 600 meters.Within any practical range, it does fuckall.
>>65428114STG was famous for this, it was stamped out of whatever sheet metal was available and was designed to last about one or 2 missions then get replaced
>>65426004The fucking .50 cal FM calls out this fuddlore as bullshit, but nobody hardly ever sits down and actually reads the goddamn thing, so this just keeps getting recycled. My own platoon sergeant tried to say this was true, but in what fucking world can you tell a war crimes tribunal all about your dumb semantic loophole and they'll just throw their hands up and say "golly gee, you're just too clever for us, off you go, then!"
>>65426158Semi-subtle b8
>>65428180There was a standard for the metal used, it simply may or may not have been chucked right out the window to meet production figures.I'm simply amused at how many have lasted as long as they have, considering the garbage they have been fed post WW2.
>>65426158What is the best carry option varies by individual but for some people a revolver is the best option. Most civilian involved self defense shootings are ended with six or less shots. The higher the count goes the rarer the scenario becomes. For most people it won't be necessary to carry more than one reload worth of ammo for self defense. And all calibers can be effectively used for self defense so long as the shot placement is accurate. That doesn't mean that something like .22 or .25 is the optimal choice, but they're better than nothing and can be deadly. The biggest factor in a person's favor is their level of preparation and training. A expert with a small caliber pistol has the edge on someone carrying a large caliber that they can't hit the broadside of a barn with.
>>65427678Probably has more to do with modern loads that are too much pressure for guns made in the early days of smokeless cartridges
>>65428091I don't personally believe in 1.5 but 2 to 3 is plausible. My 2020 Saiga was around that tier when new
>>65427723Or shitty old surplus ammo where the gunpowder degrades in such a way that the pressure goes up. Turkshit 8mm is known for that. I read somewhere that the grains crumble, increasing the burnable surface area and causing the pressure to spike too quickly.
>>65425469>mine is don't drop a pistol slide on an empty barrel because the gun will blow up and get damaged by doing what it does every single time it shoots anywayYour handguns don't have BHO?
>>65426527>PSA is banking their current customers and future customers are retards that can't readIf you read the statement on their website it's pretty clear they are just being minimalist in their approach to the ruling. They are only changing policy for in store sales within SC. Also, PSA is well aware of their average customer being retarded, so they're going to protect themselves by not encouraging their customers to act like further retards.
>>65428781Props to the mag for not blowing out.
>>65428781Holy fuck. As a Hakim owner this makes me sad for two reasons one broken gun, second someone was shooting that thing.They are awful to shoot desu.
>>65429046Been wanting a swegyptian thumb-annihilator. Why bad?
>>65427171I could certainly believe stens getting dropped into finland and having shitty enough construction that the mag just gets frozen in place, though if it's that bad you'd expect it to fail to feed toothey'd also have to be supplying them with the magazines in already, which is retarded for the obvious safety reason and also because it makes each gun take up 4x as much space
>>65429282I think they were supplied post-war for training purposes so I could believe some of them came with the mag welded in
>>65429319I can'tbarrels plugged, maybe, but what would welding a magazine on let you do? stand in for a gun shaped stick for the most basic of training?and even then you've got the same problem of the nice easy to store gun turning into a permanently fucked mostly empty pyramid that you can't stack for shitmaybe maybe MAYBE there were a few deactivated and welded all over for use as really basic gun shaped weights because otherwise they would have been thrown into the ocean, but I still can't see that being worth the solder
>>65428813The sides are bowed outward and the bottom's blown out like a mobik's asshole. I wouldn't call that surviving.
>>65429338>stand in for a gun shaped stick for the most basic of training?Basically yesI can't ask my dad anymore because he had a stroke and can't talk, but he talked about Sten guns during his service before
>>65426819It sounds more like bullshit made up by some morbidly obese senator.
>>65427692He made an explanation video afterwards where he admitted to using sketchy +P+++ handloads he had bought.
>>65428014>Backyard Ballisticslovely channel, a lot of info with minimal bullshit
>>65426912The ifunny watermark enhances it, somehow.
>>65425469"You're gay if you do sexual stuff with men"Like... I date women. I have relationships with women. Other stuff is just like, idk a couple bros. All my porn is women. All my media like movies or whatever are "guy" movies.I don't think dudes are gay, theres just a bunch of stupid homos that don't know how to handle this SEXOPILLED ATTITUDE
>>65428114>Like only heat treating parts of 1911s instead of the whole thing uniformlyAnon, the 1911 frame and slide didn't have any hardening at all. It was not an economy measure; the pistol's material specifications fulfilled its intended service life requirements just fine without hardening. It was only once they learned that with just this one weird trick to make your 1911 immortal that it was implemented.
>>65428195>expecting soldiers/marines to readAnyone who could read was weeded out by the contract they have you sign to be apart of their branch.
>>65429374That’s a good ass latch tho. Rock-in masterrace.
>>65426004This one sort of makes sense because sinking the boat will stop the threat while you'll otherwise have to kill every person on it and even then the threat might still be there if it's a bomb boat or something. So it might make sense to focus on the boat and welcome corollary casualties as opposed to focusing on the crew and welcoming corollary boat damage.
>>65426185>from a pistol barrel it does slightly better/about the same as .22 wmr from a rifle barrelOkay let's walk the dog on this. Would anybody recommend .22 WMR from a rifle barrel as a self-defense weapon?
>>65429755> I date women. I have relationships with women. I got news for you. That means you’re gay.
>>65429990Well fuck digits speak.I thought just fuckin em was what "all the other guys" did so I shouldn't be that guy.
>>65429969Oh yeah. Next thing the chief said to me was straight up “but I mean, how is anyone gonna know what you were trying to aim at. But don’t aim them.” Like he just felt he needed to say that. The myth goes deep it seems. Hell its seems kept alive by guys getting promoted and carrying up the chain with them. >>65429980Because it’s now centerfire and also now quite concealable. Poor .22 TCM
>>65426777>the us did a war game with north Korea and they kicked our asses!this one is true thoughhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War
>>65426819It's the difference between "fuck you personally right between the earballs" vs "to whom it may concern"
>u gotsta fingerfuk all the guns at the gunstore to find the one that 'fits u'
>>65427678>That fuddlore about old metallurgyis very much true. A lot of older stuff wasn't heat treated very well (too hard or soft) - if they bothered to heat treat it at all. They would work fine for years, but eventually the lack of proper heat treating catches up to them. Even up till WW2 Mauser rifles were only surface hardened, not through-hardened. A competent gunsmith doing a sporter conversion on a mauser will check for setback and re-harden all the locking surfaces, because it's easy to wear through the very thin hardened layer.
>>65430518I don't know, I think if it's your first gun, and especially if it's a pistol this is pretty good fuddlore. Unless you have some very specific use case, "feel" and/or picking whatever you're infatuated with from movies/games/tv/etc is the best way to choose a gun. If you think it's cool you're way more likely to shoot it!
I once overheard two guys discussing ak vs ar and the conclusion they came to was that during vietnam aks were better because they could shoot m16 ammo but m16s couldn't shoot ak ammo.
>>65430518“All” is the only thing that could be unreasonable here because this advice is clearly targeted toward first time gun owners
>>65427975That was well after Stalingrad though, like late-war.
When I got my loicense (Germany) the instructor told us that we can not ever load 5.56 NATO ammo into .223 Rem. guns because 5.56 has a higher chamber pressure that could easily make .223 guns explode.
>>65428152That combination of twist rate and bullet weight keyhole within 100 meters anon, look it up
>>65429932Colt started hardening the nose of the slide around the same time the 1911A1 was adopted, about 1925-26. If the pistol was "fine as is" why did they start doing that less than a decade after the 1911s first real field usage in ww1?
>>65431687They actually have the same exact chamber pressure just that saami measured it in the middle of the body of the cartridge and cip/nato measured it closer to the neck
>>65431772>Colt started hardening the nose of the slide around the same time the 1911A1 was adopted, about 1925-26.Colt only began hardening the nose of the Government Model's slide in 1939. M1911A1s with hardened slide nose were not delivered to the US Ordnance Department until 1940. Hardening of the slide stop notch was not implemented until 1942. Source: Charles W. Clawson's "Colt .45 Service Pistols Models of 1911 and 1911A1".
>>65426931an ak that shoots 4 MOA is one in a hundred rarity, most aks barely shoot 6 moa
>>65432138My AK is more accurate than your garbage rod.
>>65432138nonsense
>>65432138Nigga please are you even aiming it correctly there's no way that the most popular rifle produced in human history has no ability to hit anything that just doesn't make any sense even if you've never touched one before, the worst AK I've ever seen was rusted and clunky, survived a war and it was a solid 3.5 MOA with factory ammunition
>>65433312Then again I'm a balkanigger and we pride ourselves with our m70 which is basically the only good thing we ever made so your mileage may vary
>the safest way to carry a loaded durr rifle is with the bolt closed and striker uncocked!This leaves the firing pin resting on the live primer, which is pretty unsafe and retarded when all your durr rifles have actual safeties
>>65430516>Commies fail their primary objective
>>65433395Considering the Remington 700 was famous for discharging while on safe without the trigger being pulled I think that sounds like good advice. An uncocked striker will not make a primer go off.Just lift the bolt handle to cock the striker when you want to take a shot.
>>65433444So did the Americans, hence why it became a frozen conflict.
>>65431775A .223 fired in a .223 chamber has the same chamber pressure as 5.56 fired in a 5.56 chamber.However, a 5.56 chamber isn't the same dimensions as a .223 chamber, so a 5.56 fired in a 5.56 chamber won't have the same pressure as a 5.56 fired in a .223 chamber.That said, there isn't a huge difference between the 5.56 chamber specs and the .223 chamber specs. But the difference is real, which is why chamber designs like the 5.56 Wylde (which splits the difference between the 5.56 and .223) exist.
>>65433652>An uncocked striker will not make a primer go offYou've never field stripped a bolt action rifle have you?
>>65429737It's become nostalgic for me. >Is this funny? Yes. There is the official seal from a venerable institution.
>>65433786???
>>65433815A bolt action striker typically extends from the rear of the bolt. Anything hitting the end of an uncocked striker will drive it into the primer. Dropping the rifle onto either its buttstock or muzzle can potentially fire the primer due to the striker's inertia.
>>65425859>>.50 cal must be aimed at enemy belt buckles because it's anti-materiel else its a warcrime!!my uncle was in the national guard in the 80s on an M113 and says they were told this. Belt buckles, helmets, backpacks were good but they couldn't shoot the enemy directly with it.
>>65433953Retarded myths carry through generations of enlisted
>>65426771Sounds like some shit Stephen King's dumbass would write. The way he describes a basic AR-15 in the gas station shootout scene in The Dark Tower is comically retarded. It was like he was describing Gut's sword. He said something like "He held his AR-15 Assault Weapon by his hip. It was huge, black, and heavy. It fired hundreds of massive bullets a second from the high-capacity magazine which blew down the door and destroyed the brick walls. He fired the assault weapon minutes before needing to reload." I specifically remember the "huge, black, and heavy" AR-15 and the "gigantic" bullet it fires. He made sure to hit all the buzzwords too. >>65425469If I could add a knife fuddlore. From IT - "He pressed the switchblade to his father's neck and pushed the switch. The blade entered 6 inches like the neck was made of butter." (Mind you he also described the switchblade as opening from the side earlier) I hate this particular misconception. Switchblades barely scratch paper when activated, much less fully penetrating muscle. I have had so so many people repeat this one to me "what if it goes off in your pocket???" "then at worst I have a tiny hole in my pocket, and at worst, I get a little pinprick."
>>65425469If you kill your enemy, they win.
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>>65434605That just got sillier every second. This is not a comedy?>>65425859>>65433953>>65434093Either you three or the uncle don’t get the joke. Or both. It’s for materiél>”I was aiming at his belt buckle” Is the excuse you give if you were to give to the Internal Investigators in this theoretical comedy sketch.
>>65425469the pen is mightier than the sword
>>65434567Steven King just isn't a great writer honestly, he's a commercial writer who just puts out so much garbage that by sheer statistical probability at least a couple things turn out mediocre, and then are adapted into passable movies after changing like half the retarded shit from the book.
>>65434754I'm like 90% sure the tumbling bullet is an edit referencing that training video they put out where their shit was keyholing like crazy.
>>65434567non-stop warfare
>>65434567>what if it goes off in your pocket???My coworker was playing with his freshly-issued OTF one day and explained that they don't actually have much power when opening, so it won't even go through your pants. He pressed it against his thigh and hit the release to demonstrate, resulting in a 1/2" deep hole in his leg right through his pants. It was brand new and he did it pointing down so gravity was helping but I still don't trust 'em.
>>65434777There is a lot of retarded shit that gets removed, I agree. He is like Lucas. He can make a good world, a good general story, but the finer details suck. Anyway, would love to keep shitting on King with you but this aint /lit/ and I fear I have gone too far already. >>65435189The fuck? I do completely believe you, but I have done the same thing at my jeans and it stopped the blade. full size Benchmade Infidel, a Microtech Ultratech, and a little baby CobraTech both stopped. Maybe different blades shoot out with more or less velocity allowing for deeper penetration? Would be a fun thing to test with ballistics gel if I owned more than 3 OTFs.
>>65426732I'm of the opinion that it was retards confusing the .50 cal HE rounds used for spotting 105mm recoilless rifles for BMG. Both to discourage wasting rounds, giving away your position, and HE rounds of that size may actually be a war crime.
>>65425469Not most retarded, but one of the most prevalent.>(Insert statement about handguns and) 'muh stopping power'.Reminder that, while small arms rounds can be designed against armour, against soft targets, to fragment, or to glow and trace their path, there is actually fuck all difference in 'stopping power' on anything man-portable. The mass and momentum difference of anything short of a .22 and a .50cal is negligible. Your body cannot tell the difference between being shot by a glock or a S&W, or a target shooting gun."Stopping power" exists purely for companies to sell you guns with larger calibers because bigger bullets can cost you more.
>>65430516>the west lost the korean wargreat example of stupid fuddlore my friend! good job.>>65435256i have a chink copy of the benchmade infidel (didnt know it was a copy at the time) with a stupid strong spring which goes pretty deep into apples.
>>65430516The north koreans and chinks got rekt actually, hundreds of thousands of WW2 survivors dead, accomplished no goals and lost land to the south lol, stop coping.
>>65435581Seems the most plausible. The idea that you can shoot at helmets and belt buckles is also the exact kind of rules lawyering that I imagine an idiot came up with to trick the Hague. >No your honour, I was merely firing at his reinforced "BIG BAD DUDE" belt buckle, which I considered to be armour.Once you toss a misunderstanding and idiocy into the story it suddenly starts making sense.
>>65436281>>65436299>w...w....we totally tied guise that means we wonyou aren't fooling anybody, losers.
>>65436573>War started when the communist North tried to annex the South in an attempt to unify the peninsula unders its communist rule>After nearly being overrun, the west, through the US and its allies intervened pushing the communist troop back north all the way to China>China seeing western troops nearing its borders also intervenes>Bum rush everyone back south>Both sides agree to a cease fire when neither side was willing to completely commit to total war (Chinks would crank the meat waves to the max and US would nuke China)>North never gets to annex the South>South survivesIt was a draw, but from the west perspective and North, North Korea lost since they failed to unify the peninsula.The western also lost because they failed to stomp out the communist North, but succeeded in their attemp at containing communism in that specific region.Hence a draw, which is also why Korea is a forgotten war. No triumphant victory Of WW2 and no messy retreat Vietnam.
>>65434567>>65434777>Stephen KingGod I hate his writing. I grew up reading Tommyknockers in middleschool and it was just so miserable I didnt touch him again until this year listening to the Cujo audio book where he spends like 4 hours discussing cereal advertisements for actually no reason. It's crazy because I've now seen multiple pretty good movie and series adaptations like Storm of the Century, Dreamcatcher, Night Flyer, etc. I feel like that DiCaprio chair meme every time he mentions a character being a writer or having some addiction or miserable relationship with a woman, it's in basically everything
>>65425934Thats more zoomer lore than fuddlore, its obviously a bit overblown but seriously loud blasts regularly even with earpro will still give you hearing damage plus TBI.This anon is correct>>65425958, if you're regualrly shooting short rifles with aggressive brakes, magnum revolvers, especially indoors or near hard surfaces then you will have problems.
>>65436573>achieving your goals and gaining land is losing>getting nothing you wanted and even losing land is winningwe seriously should start killing communists again
>>65427752Saliva is overwhelmingly water-based so you'd need a water soluble paint. On a weapon. To be used. Outdoors. In the Mother Fucking RAIN!?!I'll give this one credit for being the most headache-inducing fudlore I've heard.
>>65426931Bruh, it's a 70 year old gun. I'm surprised it's not smoothbore by now.
>>65436573>Declared goal to protect SK independence>SK still independent. I'm not seeing a problem here.
>>65426777>20rnd mags used in the m16 had a curve to themThis one is true of the shitty Bushmaster mags from the 90s. Old dude if probably just confused and doesn't remember Colt mags were straight.
>>65426918>>65426950Bell was a once in a generation marksman. The Jerry Miculek of his time. He told other hunters to use express stopping rifles, since he was the only person who could consistently male those shots.
>>65425889It was against training to shoot someone with the M8c spotter cartridge.Simply because it would give away the 106's position.
