At what point do you get diminishing returns for the amount of training someone receives? There's obviously not much benefit to training someone for combat from birth or else everyone would be doing it.
>>65426821I wish we could train 40gay niggers to kill themselves.
>>65426821What sort of training are we talking about? Training purely for shit-kicking combat only or training them in other skills and fields that would be useful when their bodies inevitably start to break down from heavy use and injury?
>>65426821>There's obviously not much benefit to training someone for combat from birth Elite athletes would disagree.
>>65426821Depends on what their job is I guess. A mechanic probably doesn’t need as much time on the range as an infantryman, his training time would probably be better spent learning to fix vehicles and weld.
>>65426821When Seal Team Six started they had about 70 shooters and in their first year of training they expended more ammo than the entire Marine Corps did in training
>>65426838Most elite athletes had very general athletic childhoods instead of focusing on the sport they do for a living
>>65426821The current level of training is fine. You reach a good level of competence and then anything further is instantly negligible, and can only be improved by actual real experience.>basic fitness>can aim straight>can execute tactics and cooperate with other branches/echelonsThat's pretty much all you need from infantry. Further training would be about expanding options rather than getting better. How much better does a first world grunt need to be at shooting and following orders? Basically not at all. A first world infantry platoon already might as well be considered supermen compared to their third world counterparts.
>>65426821>training someone for combat from birthKnights being trained from early teen years wasn't about being better skills wise, it was about maximizing their physical peak span. It takes 6-7 years to git gud with medieval melee fighting, versus about 1 year with guns, or 1 month with muskets. So a modern soldier can get reasonably good starting at 18, do 15 years on the front lines then 10 more in support forces with no issue before they're too old for combat. If a knight wants to match that timeline they have to start earlier.
>>65426821Serious answer? Western infantry grunts' skills growth curve inflection point is around ~8-10 years in. They will continue learning minor things after that but it's where core skills cap out.
>>65426821There is a benefit, though it's mostly physical capabilities (see the Ghurkas) or other specialised roles. But on a large scale for a mass army, a few weeks are sufficient for a conscript and a few months for a professional military that does not suffer under high attrition. The benefits of training people for years are negligible and do not justify the enormous costs in the slightest. As long as the soldier can march, shoot, follow orders, maintain his rifle and conduct a basic maneuver, he has already 90% of the required skills covered.
>>65426925still, that's a lot of athletic training early on. so that they could then specialize once they earn their cutiemark
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>>65426830>I wish we could train 40gay niggers to kill themselvesFPBP
>>65426987Knight training is a lot more complicated, encompassing training multiple weapons, horse riding, care for armor and horse, tactics, strategy, politics, management, etiquette, music, and hunting due to the mix of profession and social class. Initial training for knights typically started around age seven.
>>65427114to what?
>>65427160Anything and everything
>>65427167I now understand
>>65426925You're unlikely to find the sport you're most suited if you only ever try one.
>>65426838Being the top three of all of humanity isn't at all relevant to this context. If this was the 100m dash, you're splitting hairs over milliseconds while everybody is seconds is what matters.Or to put it anther way, it really doesn't matter if a soldier can shoot a few milliseconds faster or 0.1 MOA better, it's all within random error and has zero effect in real life.
>>65426821It takes $100k of tax payers money per person to bring them up to 18 years old. It takes another $500k to $2 million to train them into soldiers (low end) or fighter pilots (high end). All to die in a few minutes of combat against a sub-$5k drone. The military equation has changed. Unless countries find a way to quickly grow clones in vats, it is no longer economical to use humans in direct combat.
>>65427305>All to die in a few minutes of combat against a sub-$5k drone. The military equation has changed. Unless countries find a way to quickly grow clones in vats, it is no longer economical to use humans in direct combat.>dronefags trying to go 2 minutes without Drooning
>>65427305Bro is from 1905 just after seeing Maxim’s Machinegun in the Russo-Japanese War.
>>65426855This is kind of a stupid question but if you could give basic infantry the same range time as a Seal would that actually make them better?
>>65426821>At what point do you get diminishing returns for the amount of training someone receives?The only diminishing return is the risk of getting injured from training too heavily.>There's obviously not much benefit to training someone for combat from birth or else everyone would be doing it.Some cultures did start training minors; British longbowmen would start training at ages 7-14 and finish at around age 21. Most elite martial artists started as minors, and the ones who didn't get permanent injuries would make it to the big leagues.
>>65427376Yes, but no need to go that far. Infantry shooting skills could be improved a lot fairly easily.
>>65426821I hate that stupid CoD skull helmet so much. I wouldn't mind it if it was a squad leader or named character thing but every member of the squad having it is disgusting, especially when combined with the tacticool slimmed down armor and picatinny rail bolter. It sucks because I like the Phobos armor otherwise too.>>65427159>care for armor and horseI never thought about it, but how much of this would a knight actually do himself? We picture knights on their own or maybe with just a squire but they were lords who usually showed up with their own troops, right? So I'd imagine they'd have at least a few people who were basically just there to be their support staff and I would have thought one of them would maintain the gear.
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>>65426821Leadership roles would be fine, you need to know a lot about everything to be good at warfare and be adaptable.
>>65427863>I never thought about it, but how much of this would a knight actually do himself?They had people to do it for them unless they were quite poor but they also needed to know exactly how it worked and what to do if nobody else was there.
>>65427293Of course its relevant. When your whole purpose in life is to be in life and death situations its in your own interest to spend every space second in training to give your best chance of victory.
>>65426821this question has been answered by pretty much any country's boot camp system. In the U.S. you throw some mutt into a torture camp for a few months or something and then send that newly indoctrinated mentally broken idiot to some FOB where he can play catch with bullets with whoever the government doesn't like this week
>>65428217There's a cost-benefit ratio to these things. It's better to have three supersoldiers than one super duper soldier.
>>65426821I guess its a would you rather have a knight, or 10 niggas with crossbowskind of question?
>>65427863You might have a poverty-tier man-at arms who was by himself but a standard knight would theoretically have at least a squire and possibly a groom/valet/manservant (known by many various names) who was also a semi-combatant. The knight probably off-loaded all maintenance tasks to his squire just like a traditional master-apprentice relationship, it probably took up a lot of a squire's time.
>>65426821>There's obviously not much benefit to training someone for combat from birth or else everyone would be doing it.Just about everyone who could do it did do it, that was like the whole fucking point of martial classes in society. You don't see it much these days because in the modern era growing up in school with regular PE is a perfectly suitable base for a time when people fight with ARs.
>>65427293You don't dedicate your life to sports to become top three of all of humanity. You dedicate your life to sports to even have a chance of becoming top three of all of humanity. Even getting to the Olympics means you're one in a million level athlete, even if you don't get to stand on the podium.
