Previous:>>65367016What are FRTs:Forced Reset Triggers (FRTs) are firearm modifications that allow semi-automatic rifles to fire more rapidly by automatically resetting the trigger after each shot, while still requiring a trigger pull for each round. They increase the rate of fire without converting the firearm into a fully automatic weapon.List of platforms that offer FRT/Super Safety support or are currently in development, footage and recommended distributed sellers.https://kg2g.github.io/FRTINFO/webpage/FRTINFO.htmlRecent News:- Texas Trigger's P320 FRT is released- s3igu2 teases 3 position SCAR FRT with uncut trigger and OEM housing- FS2000 3 position FRT announced by Izhmash Arms - MAC 11/12 3 position FRT announced by Advanced Reset Tech- Walther PDP/PPQ FRT announced by Advanced Reset Tech- Taurus RPC FRT announced by Duality Arms Co- HK SP7 / Tommybuilt T7/NT7 3 position FRT announced by Dark Star Defense- Teaser Product pages for the Ruger MK IV 22/45 and Ruger Mini 14 are public by Muffintop Tactical
Walther PDP/PPQ FRT announced by Advanced Reset Tech
MAC 11/12 3 position FRT announced by Advanced Reset Tech
update on the vz61 frt in OEM lower
>>65427218>seperate
Anyone have any numbers on the proliferation of frts since the case over them has currently federally secured their place on the shelf? And I mean totally estimated devices sold to date. Seems like one for a new model comes out every week now
>>65427211>>65427218these fuckers need to hurry and release their cp33 FRT, or at least post some decent videos of it running to hold me over.
>>65427499my question is how he even makes money. he constantly says>comes with free X product with your orderhe's been doing it for months.
>>65427199>PDP triggerWew. Pistol FRTs are cool but why the PDP/PPQ? They don't have any chassis systems do they? And on that topic, p365 when?
>>65428491They hinted that they might work on it
Really want a TP9 FRT that uses the actual safety selector for 3pos instead of some shit on an alternative topcover I don't want since I like the OEM one.
>>65428993there is a 2 position that's coming out that doesnt have a different top cover. I believe the replacement top cover version is also only two position for now anyways
Are there any videos out there or any other anecdotal posts of people with high round counts on FRTs? I want an ARC and want to know how the durability is
>>65429022the developer of the ARC said about 20k rounds or somethingThey are obviously bias but I do believe him personally
>>65429025>>65429022the context of this was him comparing the ARC fire vs the Atrius
BIG drop for you vz61 guyshttps://odysee.com/@conclusionone222:7/frt-final-test:5
>>65429070footage
>>65429049Yeah I've seen shit about Atrius. Glad I got off the pre-order list when they took 3 months longer to deliver without any communication. Dick heads
more information regarding the ASD SCAR FRT
>>65429049>>65429025Impressive if true, thats like a whole barrel life
>>65429487ikr, that's why the ARC fire is my favorite personally. That and the fact that it still works when you hold the trigger down hard, it's incredibly difficult to shut the forced reset down and I have it in my SHTF gun
What's the best 2-stage trigger for an ARC Fire that's not a Geissele? Will the Schmit 2-stage work?
>>65427211I dare them to make one for the P22.>>65427199>>65429049Do the Atrius ones still break after a low round count? Did they ever fix that?Semi-related, what is is the most durable FRT/SS? I am assuming that I might not be able to get a replacement in the future if it breaks due to legal shenanigans.
G-force blade has a trip for super safeties and what I would assume ARC and Atrius. Seemingly can only be bought from tucks.prints on IG.
why did that guy's post about the p320 frt get deleted?
>>65430213people got schmid 2 stage to work with the SS, I dont see why it wouldn't work with a ARC. You need the trigger to be cut obviously
>>65430232>Semi-related, what is is the most durable FRT/SSARC, Cassette style FRTs like Rarebreed
>>65429070nice, I'll print one out and see if it works in a tortort receiver
>>65430391cool, please report back!
Honest question, from an anon that lives in a country where guns are illegal: using these FRT modifications would not make the gun illegal?
>>65430437For US citizens, it depends on state. Off the top of my head I know Florida bans them. Probably California and New York too.
>>65430297Okay, thanks.Are either one of those better than the other?Rarebreed is somewhat overpriced in my opinion.
>>65430483I personally think ARC Fire is the best FRT because it's cheaper and more versatile with trigger options. There are some negatives with it though. Your lower receiver needs to be either a low shelf or m16 shelf and the trigger you want to use have to be cut (ARC fire comes with a cut trigger).The cassette style FRTs have no such requirements but are generally more expensive.
Would an Armaspec SMB H3 cycle with a Rare Breed out of a supressed short barrel AR?Anybody use this combo?
>>65430934looks like this guy got it working with a couple of issues, there are comments for more informationhttps://old.reddit.com/r/supersafety/comments/1unpf9b/need_help_trouble_shoooting_my_arc_fire_v2/
>>65430973Im using a rate breed so idk if the same issue will apply.I won't really know until next week when I try it I guess.I have two and I think the issue I was having with my first was trying to run it with a basic carbine buffer or H2.I went H3 shopping and saw the Armaspec was about $55 at the store and worth trying at least.
>>65430437They just became illegal to buy without the new gay not-registration rigamarole bullshit in CO
>>65430990FRTs and "rapid fire" devices are illegal to own in CO apparently
>>65429049s3igu2 is pretty based and doesn't afraid of anythingAtrius niggers suck and are cali wali wiggers selling cheap shit that breaks>>65429079>>65429070>>65430391Sick been waiting for a good FRT SS that works in OG style receivers.
>>65429022I'm interested in this as well. How long does a super safety last compared to these other convoluted designs.
>>65431131depends on the materials. There has been really high round counts from the D2, S4, and CPM-10V This page from ASDesigns has pretty good information on it. Check the "What does D2, A2, S7, 4140, etc. mean?" section
>>65430986How's the break on your RB feel? I've got a Partisan but the take up feels gritty and sometimes on semi if you don't really squeeze the trigger back it'll double tap as if the recoil has reset your finger forward enough to ND with another shot.
>>65431292Absolute slop garbage that is extremely vague.Very light, the reset feels bad.Kinda like a bad striker fired pistol trigger.
>>65431332I guess being garbage in all other facets of triggerdom beyond super semi is endemic to these cartridge types. Fuck, suppose I'll shop for an ARC
>>65431332This literally any other cassette frt has better trigger feel than the AR RBT. They did hit it out of the park with the MP5 RBT tho
>>65431143>>65431131forgot to link the pagehttps://activesafetydesigns.freshdesk.com/support/solutions/articles/158000420538-general-faqcheck the section I was talking about
>FRTs illegal in Nevada How did this happen
oh we're back
any rumblings about a Springfield Echelon FRT?
>>65433248not that i am aware of
WHERE'S THE ARHK!?
>>65433427Delayed another two months!Sorry, anon!
>>65433427end of the month
Do i go down the SMG rabbit hole and get a TP9 + FRT or wait for MP7 + FRTAlso thinking about APC9K
>hear about Thompson FRTs now being available >look up if the modern repros are any good>no, they suckWell that's disappointing. Any other somewhat affordable, cool, historical (pre-60s) guns I can get with an FRT, repro or original? Nothing on that list seems to fit the bill. I see FAL and G3 ones are in the works but I'm too scrawny for those. >inb4 your age cutoff is arbitraryyeah
>>65434094As cool as the TP9 is, I heard it's kinda shit
FS2000 3 Position FRT Footage
>>65434094IMHO avoid 4.6 at all costsTP9 (or a "carbine" pistol like a raider) and PS90
>>65434741I do kind of want a raider but I don'tthink I want to ND an entire magazine. I may wait for a 365 FRT but I only own the 3.1" slide/barrel which the Flux isn't compatible with.Tyrant CNC has a chassis that works with the short barrel but id have to hope a hypothetical 365 trigger works with it
>>65433983Go read the production status page again. It'll be the first week of October at the minimum.
>>65436402am I retarded? it just says end of AUG
>>65436913That text is left over from the last status update. The current update was posted on 7/27 so count up 10 weeks from then. I asked them on insta to confirm that timeline and they did.
About to mod my 1022. Going to drop an frt in it along with a new barrel and a suppressor.
>>65436979well that stinks
>>65437008nice! which frt?
>>65437019You're telling me.My HK21 is hongry.Boy needs to EAT
>>65432266Frts are not illegal in Nevada. Read the NRS and tell me that the way they defined it covers an FRT or Binary Trigger since it doesn't and Rare Breed continues to ship more FRTs into the state and gun shops still stock them.
>>65437926A bunch of sources I see online say they are. I don't live in NV though so can't exactly ask anyone there. I plan to go out there later this year with my gun and was concerned about that.
>>65437063Mars drop in. Not looking to fuck with much, just to drop in is fine with me.
It's outhttps://advancedresettech.com/walther-pdp-ppq-a-r-t-reset-lever-kit/
>>65427199>still no USAS-12 frtits over isnt it
>>65438091After a sternly worded letter from the AG, Rare Breed continued to sell FRTs. Their asshole attorney operates out of Nevada. When SHOT show happened they had an FRT day out at the county shooting sports complex. Franklin Armory continues to sell binary triggers out in Minden.If you bring your gun with your FRT you should be fine.
>>65438701there is a FRT for it in the works, check the github link in the OP
>>65438705Neat anon, might get some fun use out of this thing when that frt drops.
>>65434152What exactly did you expect here? Thompson is a very early SMG design, and the repros are quite simplified over even the M1.It was always going to be a temperamental gimmick, now it's a gimmick that brtts.
>>65434154It's really just the doo doo semi auto trigger and mag sturdiness. Apparently the new (and arguably uglier)TP9 variant improves on the trigger a bit>>65435383The good thing about the raider is it makes the 320 viable again (except for maybe raider holster carry get a 365 raider for that).The 320 has no safety improvement, the manual safety models aren't safe, nor are there aftermarket safety modification like glock has with the Striker Control Devices and other mods. Which means it only makes sense to keep the 320 in condition yellow with an empty chamber loaded mag and not carry it in a holster on your body.This isn't as big of a deal with a raider with a frt, as a car gun or HD gun, you deploy and rack the slide, with your CCW pistol taking up any immediate slack.
>>65439339When you're buying an expensive reproduction you expect it to function like the original. And the original was quite reliable. Here is a gunsmith describing the various issues he had to fix to make one run properly:https://thompsonstocks.com/fixing-the-kahr-thompson/
Gonna buy my first ARC. Won't bother waiting for the screw less design as ASDesign apparently isn't going to make one for 416 levers It's fucking over...
>>65440666
>>65440669>>65440666interesting if actually true, we'll see when they release
>>65440670I assume they'll work on it some time in the future. Would be nice since I'm gonna get a G95 clone lower which has short throw markings
bump
Is there any ETA on the APC9 lowers from ASD? I really want a cool subgun but MP5 feels generic and boring to me...
>>65442624There are WAY better options now than a different lower. Check the link in the OP, but there are drop in cassette triggers for that platform now.
>>65442641Oh damn, didn't realize someone made a cassette style for it. Surprised and confused as to why rare greed didn't make one but did for the GHM/SPC
Does anyone else seem kind of concerned that the government has allowed you guys full auto and suppressors again? To me it reads like they don’t consider you a threat anymore with them
>>65442764>it's all le big conspiracy Kill yourself.
Just wondering, is there any sort of class-action lawsuit against Cameron Smith and TwinBros for taking everyone's money and then scamming everyone by claiming "THE ATF RAIDED US!!!" and refusing to ship out any more SuperSafeties after they'd already been paid for?I went looking at Cameron Smith's patent application filing for "his invention" of the Super Safety, and as far as I can tell it's invalid on its face because it was filed on December 4, 2024, whereas Tim Hoffman disclosed the Super Safety on July 21, 2023, sixteen and a half months earlier, far beyond the statutory limit for a post-disclosure patent application filing (even assuming that Tim "stole" Cameron's invention, which obviously he didn't, Cameron is just a lying scumbag and serial fraudster).Is there any sort of invalidation proceeding going on against Cameron's fake and gay patent?
>>65442764So? Wouldn't that be a good thing if they underestimate the people?
>>65442764I dont own suppressors and FRTs to be a threat, I own them because they are fun
1919 frt footage
Atrius announced FRS for MCX serieshttps://atrius.dev/x-series-ambidextrous-forced-reset-selector/
>>65443096BAR please.
>>65444448>please make my gun worse why
>>65445090actually, >please make this shit gun even worseis what I meant
Any news on that 3 position version of the trigger kicker?
>>65445101nope
Just bought 6 trigger kickers. Do they work with Schmid 2 stage or just GI trigger groups?
>>65445428only milspec
>>65445430Cool. Was going to build a monolithic Vltor picatinny upper with a Stag HBAR 20”, but got a Geissele super thicc 16”.
ARC is super strong
>>65446715Would love to see how Atrius holds up
>>65445092Because.
>>65447605it absolutely would not
>>65446715And to think I almost bought Atrius just because it was stocked at my LGS.
Besides the Vector are there any other PCCs in .45 with a FRT? I have a .45 can and don't want to buy a 9mm one. Of course I could just shoot 9mm through it but it wouldn't be as effective I don't think
>>65451893APC45 can be serviced by EVT to have a FRT in it or you can preorder the cassette trigger for it.GHM45 has a cassette trigger now for useHK UMP has a FRT for it via GDICMMG AR45 platform aside from the dissent can use a FRTStribog can be used with a FRT, requires a different lower and some machining though but there are services for itThompson has a FRT gun is kinda shit thoughLWRC SMG 45 has a trip for a cassette trigger
I gotta get me a scar
SELECTABLE glock FRT announced by advanced reset tech
Is there a specific kind of H3 buffer that's known to work best for 11.5 ARs with arc fires?
>>65454051Tungsten weights and make sure the weights move inside the buffer. You can also look into the A5 systemI have a 11.5 carbine gas with A5H2, works well. I also have a 12.5 with a H2 and flat spring.Both work great
>>65454051you can also look into the kak BCGs with the weighthttps://kakindustry.com/search.php?search_query=DBC+
>>65454051Idk about ARC but the Armaspec SMB H3(I hear the SBS version has problems with FRT) functions with my Cassette FRT
>>65454056Got a brand?>>65454060I don't know if I could use one of those in my KAC but maybe my other buffer. Also holy shit H3s are all out of stock>>65454097Thanks
>>65454149I used geissele that work
>>65454158Super 42?
>>65454166yeah
>>65454173>>65454166h2 is what I tried and it worked on a different build
How difficult is it to get 9mm ARs running FRTs? I am thinking about doing a RO635-ish build. I know blowback sucks so I am considering getting the CMMG radial delay upper and H&R colt mag lower.
>>65454570if you're going cmmg then you dont have to do anything, it just runs since the trip on the bolt is clear. I am unsure what the normal buffer situation on cmmg is though, so look into that. I have a custom build that uses a A5 tube, flat wire spring and a KynSHOT buffer.for cmmg watch out for possible extractor issues and firing pin breakageYou should still check out blowback9 page for more information as well to get stuff running smoothly although his information is more about blowback.
>>65454582>>65454570one clarification, the extractor issue is resolved if you go the fixed extractor upper router, but you have to use their upper reciever. CMMG bolt also requires the CMMG barrel as well
>>65454570Very. It is generally difficult getting even FA AR9s running. There's whole sites like c3junkie and blowback9 on WordPress dedicated just to getting FA 9s running right. Fact is the AR platform is a sub-optimal 9mm host for a bunch of reasons, mostly bolt bounce and action speed.Not saying it can't be done as others have alluded, but it takes a lot of trial and error, money, and testing, at least in my experience.
FIELD REPORT ON TEXAS TRIGGER p320 REAPERReceived and installed last week and tested. It's legit.300 rounds suppressed and unsuppresed in full size p320 in a B&T USW320 chassis. Winchester 115gr, 124gr NATO, and 147gr American Eagle subsonic. Suppressor was Omega 9k. Unsuppressed used unremarkable screw on muzzle comp. Observations:>best handgun frt I've ever run. Nowhere near as clunky as glock, but still requires some finesse but low learning curve.>mfg recommended break in is recommended>124gr nato most reliable, most near to "hold down trigger and go" FA similarity.>barrel, muzzle break, or can advisable...it clearly gives just a bit more pressure to complete cycle.>works as pistol but not well. Far better to have in a chassis, flux raider, B&T Etc. More controllable too.>147gr subsonic runs but probably needs enhanced power spring even full size IMO. 85% reliability. Pure pleasure, and quiet when it ran.>very stable and aimable with the right chassis. As a handgun everything is minute-of-barn>used ETS 30rd and sig factory 18 and 22rd mags. Most reliable with sigs but had 1-2 full 30 rounders in 124gr nato rip. Aftermarket needs to start making reliable high caps and shits4real.>cyclic is super high, 1000+ rds/minDisassembly when getting home was tricky (fouling), but no broken parts like spacer pointed out by others. Another test is planned next weekend better springs and shooting from a rest.So good in fact I bought another.
>>65454755That's some fantastic information and reporting anon! I was looking for a handgun FRT that was intuitive to use.
>>65454755Hell yeah>B&T chassisWhy? I was actually.considering one but it seems inferior to Flux
>>65427199if you buy a rare greed, you should be blown up
>>65455188nah their MP5 FRT is supposed to rule I dont care that they are assholes
>>65428491Chassis systems suck
>>65455188If it weren't for Rare Breed, FRTs would be categorized as "machine gun conversion devices" and it would be a felony to possess one. No you can't register one for normies to use because they were made after 1986.Hate Rare Greed all you want, they're only doing what any company with core patents is supposed to do -- protect their market against ripoff imitators and make huge profits. Too bad they're kind of fucked now because see below.Tim Hoffman's Trigger Kicker doesn't infringe any of Rare Breed's patents that I can find and costs 10% of what Rare Breed's products cost. The TX22 FRT design also doesn't appear to infringe any of Rare Breed's patents. The Glock FRT likewise doesn't interact with a disconnector and so does not seem to infringe any Rare Breed patents.Just to add, Hoffman's Super Safety probably did infringe the old 7398723 patent, but that one expired two years ago, and IIRC it only had method claims. The Super Safety arguably and/or clearly does NOT infringe the other two patents that Rare Breed is asserting against Tim. Also, Rare Breed was blocked from selling their products by that NY lawsuit during the brief time when the 723 patent was still in effect and the Super Safety STLs were available, so it's arguable that there are no economic damages for that (Rare Breed wasn't losing any sales because they weren't allowed to sell anything).IDK about all the other designs out there, I don't own an MP5 or an AK47 or a Zorg Alien Staccato Railgun or a Noisy Cricket.t. patent attorney
>>65456017>Hate Rare Greed all you want, they're only doing what any company with core patents is supposed to doyou just said that the super safety clearly doesnt infringe on the patents they are holding against Tim, which is it? they cant only be doing what they are supposed to do AND frivolously seek lawsuits with products that dont infringe their patents
>>65455072Because it's very minimalistic. With the stock folded to the side it's not much bigger than the pistol itself. Also the stock release is awesome. You push it with your trigger finger and it swings right out, you dont even need your other hand just use your shoulder to lock it. I love mine.
>>65455521See above. It absolutely made a major difference in the p320 reaper. It was 100% more intuitive, more reliable and more accurate in the chassis.
Casual here, any news on a VZ61 frt? Just preordered the AoA kit because they will sell to my state. And what about a M2HB frt? Was looking at getting an M2 years ago but my truck got totaled.
>>65457367VZ61 was capable of a super safety with a printed lower for years now. Just recently though there is a printable FRT for it in a regular lowerM2 FRT is supposedly in the works by the guys who did the M1919 FRT
>>65457379The only problem with semi M2 is that last I looked there were 3 different patterns. Not sure how these differences relate to a frt. Used to be able to get a gun for $6k…
>>65457367>>65457379>>65457417Minigun frt when?
>>65457500No, they are electronically driven.
hand crank gattling gun frt
>>65457581you dont need a FRT for that
>>65457500like those Vladof gatling barrel assault rifles from borderlands
>>65457575I know. My suggestion/workaround would be the motor just spins the cluster but the cam paths are adjusted to ensure the spinning prevents full bolt lock, leaving that up to some other another "forced resetting" mechanism, thereby ensuring hitting the switch doesn't technically fire the gun by definition. The firing was accomplished by something other than pushing the button.Someone will find a way.
>>65457337It's so compact it even fits in some unmodified holster folded.
>>65453657aww man
Someone help a retard out here. I am gonna get a clone lower for my MR556 upper and of course want to put an ARC in it. However IPM only seems to offer a lower with the 90/180 marking and the 416 selector page says pic rel. Is it just totally incompatible with the 90/180? They just screw in so I dont see why it wouldn't...
>>65459184I assume the selectors would just get in the way of the numbs near the selector part on the receiver. Not sure myself
>>65459201>>65459184looking at it closer, the selectors do interact a lot with the cam mechanism. Yeah I dont think they will work at all with 90/180 but you can buy them and test, doesnt seem too expensive
>>65459201>>65459213I wish they'd post a picture. Guess I'll just email them
>>65456017>they're only doing what any company with core patents is supposed to doOh great, it's this asshole again, giving his misinformed opinion nobody asked for or agrees with.
ARHK is taking too long for me to justify waiting, how good are ASD’s metal AP5-P trigger housings? I need to upgrade from the 3D print and I’m not buying a lee’s sporting
>>65443104So a FRT that's quality matches sig?How quant.
>>65459213They do work, it has nothing to do with the cam because they don't change the cam.The explanation is in the fucking pic you are replying to. Q shaped levers hit the stops on milspec receivers.A 0-45-90 doesn't throw the lever enough to hit themI have the 416's on my ADM4 with a 0-45-180. It works fine.
>>65459213pic rel in the 180 position.
>>65459955>>65459948Ah that makes some sense now. Fuck. I guess using milspec levers isn't the end of the world, and I can use the screw less ARC whenever that comes out.
>>65459857why not just wait? you're going to buy it when it comes out anyways
>>65459328>it's the lolbert who hates all IP law again
>>65460541You can do better than that, can't you?
>>65459955>>65459948gotcha, thanks for the follow up and correction
>>65460012Looks like buying the regular ARC now and upgrading to screwless will cost you 120 more than just waiting for the screwless.
>>65460039I may not though, or at least I may yet end up with both since I have a PTR and AP5-P. Either way a status report on the ASD trigger packs would be useful to me
man, it's going to be harder to find new news guys since nitter was shutdown.
pretty neatoTX22 P.A.R.T.S. (Progressive Active Reset Trigger System)
>>65459857the ASD metal lowers are the best available. I'm curious if these are made quickly now since it used to take forever
>>65461964>gun is clearly firing OOBI love it
looks like grey market research sells their own CARLhttps://greymarketresearch.net/ar15-ar9-safety-3rd-rate-reducing-fcg/
I've tried Atrius and ASD on multiple different combinations of upper, lower, bcg, buffer, trigger. They don't fucking work. Vast majority of the time it fires one and then dead trigger. Some times I get two shots then dead trigger. One single time I achieved a string of 8 shots but then dead trigger. What the fuck am I doing wrong? Nothing, these things just fucking suck. Total waste of money. Wake me up when machine guns are legal.
>mfw hypothetically my friend just ordered the X-PRT in Minecraft
>>65462966not enough gas or your buffer isnt heavy enoughwith your issues, even full auto parts wouldnt work
>>65458098Wtf is with all the litigation in the FRT space? Is it just Rage Greed Niggers setting the tone and everyone else following suite?>>65431117What's the deal with the Atrius people? When they first entered showed up it looked like they were shipping out of California, which seems crazy. Now it seems like they're based in Austin, Texas.
two round burst TX22 FRT
Are there any standard/semi standard AR uppers that are especially good for FRT use? Nothing crazy like a belt fed. Looking at a Geissele .812 HBAR. Saw that one hick who does burn downs got it to 1600 rounds which seems plenty fine
>>65465361I mean I ran a couple of different uppers and gas systems and they work, PSA, Daniel Defense, Custom built uppers etc...If you mean just longest lasting shooting mag after mag, then the best would be a piston upper because there is no gas tubeUppers with a gas tube could be used with an inconel gas tube which would be better as well
>>65463911I'll buy that. By whom?
>>65465471advanced reset tech on IG
>>65465473Nice, thx!
Had a good question but forgot. Bumping instead
Anyone here have the 3 pos trigger from Kalash Triggers? How easy is the installation? I have never really worked on AKs before and things generally seem harder than ARs. I swear the first time I ever changed some furniture, it took an hour to install the Midwest handguard. But to be fair the retaining lever was stuck and I was struggling with it for most of that hour.
>>65468135I have it and gave it to my friend to install, looking at the installation video, it really looks like a project that will take some time
Should I just buy an MP5? I know it's pretty much the best and one of the easiest guns to run a FRT in, but damn everyone's doing it and it just seems boring to me. I just want to have something I can run hard and be a pleasant experience. Considering some B&T guns but they're all like twice the cost of an AP5
>>65469959>Mp5s are boring now that the market has been flooded with them.Gee, thanks turk*y.Remember when PSA was going to make MP5s for $1200 and that was a huge deal?Either way mp5 is the most pleasant 9mm carbine shooting experience.The recoil on the B&T guns really suck and they don't suppress nearly as well.MP5 is an investment as well. The current pricing is insanely cheap from a historical perspective.
>>65454755Can you give any insights as to how it ran inside of a chassis? Was is concussive? Could it it be mitigated by a comp?Also seeing that there are some after market parts for a forward shroud accessory on the Flux for mounting optics, with the ROF how easy was it to keep an optic on target after sustain fire?
>>65470035PSA isn't going to make MP5's for the foreseeable future. The POF MP5 and MAC-5 already occupies their lowest possible at cost price point and both are higher quality than anything PSA can do - POF is on original HK tooling and the MAC is made by a turkish MKE parts subcontractor on an MKE bend. It would take an import ban for it to make economic sense.
>>65470035The Bog' and Kuna are pretty damn good with their simplified roller delayed blowback systems. Its less complex than the MP5's system yet both retain mist of the advantages over simple and gay direct blowback shit like B&T
>>65470224>PSA isn't going to make MP5's for the foreseeable futureThank fuck.I never said I wanted them to just offering the perspective of how exciting the prospect of attainable mp5 clones USED to be.I couldn't imagine how badly PSA would fuck up an HK clone.
Currently in a bid war over an AUG so popping in here. For the Red Star Palmetto SAFR, will it be drop in? I know the his other SS kit was but it doesn't specify. Since this is basically an upgrade I'm guessing it's a yes.
>>65470128Kinda already put in the post. But>chassis is recommended, all over the place as a pistol like all FA pistols>comp or suppressor is definitely recommended>no more concussion than a normal short barreled SMG>keeping on target was relative, very doable under 50yd but still a blur but able to keep all shots within at least a 36" circle consistently would could controlI can't emphasize the usefulness of the chassis enough. It made a world of difference. Whichever one you choose im sure.
>>65469959>>65470035>but damn everyone's doing it and it just seems boring to meWhat the hell is wrong with these boomers?
Hey guys, how do I put an FRT in my Mosin?
Hoffman Tactical Trigger Kicker is now being distributed by AR15Discounts.I know believe that the brouhaha about the Rare Greed lawsuit is all kayfabe. Too many of the parties involved are way too closely related business for this to make sense otherwise.I don't know if it started out like this but it is all too convenient at this stage how its developing.
>>65470128>>65470928Forgot to mention, an optic is a plus. The 320 full size used for the test had a Romeo3 and it made a big difference when firing in 4-6rd bursts. Firing in bursts was the best method and it was intuitive enough to do so regularly once the short learning curve was gone. I can imagine a substantially worse experience with just irons.One more point. Springs. I got the enhanced power springs for compact and full size. The 16 &18lb full size spring made the reaper practically hold-down-trigger full auto with 124gr nato ball.Unreal. TT did a great job. My next tests are going to be tuning it to brrrrt reliably with 147-158gr subsonics and the suppressor. If I can get it to do that I'll be on cloud 9.
>>65471421>Hoffman Tactical Trigger Kicker is now being distributed by AR15Discounts.cool
>>65470296It supposedly is except for bolt release. The instruction mods will be provided with kit.
>>65471421>>65471492Flood the zone. The PSA SOP. Lay back feds...it's ok baby...just let it happen.
>>65470270PSA's idea was to blanda up with Magpul (lower, selector & handguard) and RCM.But RCM is a big boi with international sales and exposure and wasn't going to kneel to poverty state armory (fuck you SC)
>>65461964Considering light pull is BRRRRT and heavy pull is semi wouldn't it be a regressive trigger?Because it's regressing???I'm strongly interested mind you, but correct verbiage is paramount here.I wonder what happens if I pull hard mid burst.....
>>65471683PSA is based fuck you
>>65471683I thought it was because of the flood of turkish mp5s that century arms brought in they realized they wouldn't be able to compete price wise.
>>65471692you make a lot of sense
>>65456017>Tim Hoffman's Trigger Kicker doesn't infringe any of Rare Breed's patents that I can findNeither did his Super Safety.
>>65471124>>>65470035 (You) #Easy, killer. I'm defending MP5s. Literally trying to buy an AP5SD right now.
>>65471695Based on what? Poverty?
>>65471739That as well, but RCM wasn't going to sell parts at a loss for poormeto state armoury to be competitive with turk guns knowing those South Carolingian bastards can't into QC
>>65470035There's a long and storied history of US manufacturers fucking up HK style roller guns, esp. MP5's.PTR Inc. being the most recent example and they have original Portuguese HK tooling
>>65471443That's awesome!Was interested in using a p320 as my EDC but after that guy shot off his left testicle.... I've been hesitant.Nowadays I'm interested in fanny pack carrying and a few chassis (like the flux raider) fit comfortably at 11in collapsed. And so I figured if I'm running a chassis anyway I'd might as well run an FRT and if I'm running an FRT I'd might as well run an optic... and you can see the rabbithole that I found myself in.I only have an FRT on my AR and that's been pretty cool to train with but I am curious if an FRT is even viable in an EDC context?
>>65472526>but after that guy shot off his left testiclethat wasn't a 320 tho
>>65472534Yeah I guess it's the whole appendix carry thing. I like having my balls so a fanny pack seems preferable.
>>65427199I want the keltec kp50 with the stuff and things frt mod so bad. 100 rounds of "not full auto" 5.7 on the gun and very compact. Want it for my bedside bump in the night or truck gun. Saving up but it'll take a while
>>65472632S tier truck gun
>>65472632really cool piece of kit
>>65471540Good. As long as no drilling or any other permanent modification is required
advanced reset tech's canik FRT is outhttps://advancedresettech.com/canik-a-r-t-lever-kit/
PSR video on selector glock FRThttps://youtu.be/LxG7dd2JUOU
>>65473084instantly ordered
I come from /msg/ to inform you that there is now a 1919 FRT.https://apparmsco.com/product/browning-frt/
>>65471544>>65471492I think that this is less of a flood the zone action and more of a wrap more names and track more FRT owners when the ATF eventually comes a knocking. Hoffman having his primary distributor be AR15discounts makes me think that once he gets his bag he is going to give his patents to raregreed and then wipe his hands of the whole FRT affair.
>>65473335well that's fucking awesome, I think the only option before was a service.Thanks for the link, I'll add it to the github page
>>65429070This just looks like an autosear?? Just over the top, not under where frame is blocked
Anons, I promise I’m not from the hood, but are frt’s for Glocks legal?Are they any cheaper than ones for an AR? Last time I checked an frt for AR’a were hundreds.
>>65473753>Anons, I promise I’m not from the hood, but are frt’s for Glocks legal?depends on the state>Are they any cheaper than ones for an AR? Last time I checked an frt for AR’a were hundreds.Yes but fair warning, they are really annoying to get working as well as you want it to as it requires a lot of tuning of various parts and springs and it's not as intuitive to use as a AR FRT because it requires technique.I got mine pretty reliable and it's a blast though
>>65473759What’s the legality of them in Georgia?>Yes but fair warning, they are really annoying to get working as wellOh. That’s unfortunate. So say I got an frt (assuming it’s ok for my state); then how much more money would I have to dump in?
>>65473764well you would probably need a new recoil spring and connector, ghost 3.5 is a good one but you can also cut the ear of the stock connector. You likely would have to also shave the trip a bit as well
Where the fuck is the ARHK? I need that shit to throw in my HK51 so I can blind myself.
>>65473753>Last time I checked an frt for AR’a were hundredsWhere have you checked exactly? I picked up 3 for under $100 recently
>>65473900sameI have a mighty need
Selectable Canik FRT in the works
>>65474832by advanced reset tech
HK G36 22LR is released by duality arms co
>>65427199>virgin losers thinking they're so cool for dumping a mag and taking up half the video being a jittery fuck not even shooting all forced reset trigger videos on K
>>65474849>on K>Kleast obvious noguns tourist trying to fit in
>>65474837This looks like we'll FINALLY have a good .22lr long gun FRT. RoF is high (over 1200rpm) but they're already talking about bolt weights
>>65473900>Just a few more weeks They say every week on insta.Need one for my HK21 so I can piss off my crackhead neighbors.
>>65473753>are frt’s for Glocks legal?Like the other anon said, check state law. But ALSO, be sure it's really a FRT rather than a full-auto conversion aka "switch". While the effect is loosely similar, the full-auto conversions are a ticket to federal prison.>Are they any cheaper than ones for an AR? Last time I checked an frt for AR’a were hundreds.Must've been some time last year. Prices on Super Safeties have dropped down to about $65 if you can still find any place selling them (Rare Breed is suing all the vendors). Prices on Hoffman's Trigger Kicker were under $50 last I looked, but you can only order them from his website.And of course you can always 3D print your own Super Safety, which costs maybe a buck of filament at most, plus the cost of the detent and trigger that you have to modify.
>>65471768My highly melanated friend, I am literally a patent attorney and have done my own thorough analysis on the three patents Tim was sued for infringing. One was clearly not infringing (RB was intentionally misconstruing their claims, which at first glance looked like they read on the SS but in reality were talking about something completely different), one was arguably questionable but IMHO leans toward noninfringement based upon (of course) reading the claims in light of the specification, and one was IMHO clearly infringed (but expired in 2024, and Tim was only infringing it during a period when Rare Breed was enjoined from making any sales by that New York court).While Tim might owe some damages for the 7398723 patent, I am going to find it interesting to see how such damages can be calculated when the patentholder was prohibited from selling any of its products during that time period anyway, AND when Tim himself didn't sell any products, he merely told people that there was a way to make Super Safeties at home on their own 3D printers. He's at most only liable for indirect infringement, during a period when the legal status of FRTs was in limbo and a prudent person would not be going around starting companies to churn them out. Since Rare Breed is also suing all of the companies that decided to jump in on the bandwagon and make the parts themselves, they shouldn't be allowed to double-dip on the damages by collecting those from Tim.Also, AFAIK, the supplies of commercially available Super Safeties were extremely limited during at least the first nine months of that roughly fifteen month long period, with TwinBros scamming people (with their fake "ATF raid" in March 2024) instead of delivering any products.
>SSAUG guy posts on r/armedsocialistsGotta separate the art from the artist I guess...
>>65476511https://ar15discounts.com/products/hoffman-tactical-trigger-kicker/
>tfw Kriss Vector FRT is not only a PITA to install but allegedly also fucks up your receiver>tfw G36 FRT kinda dead between GDI being dogshit and Bsquareds ADHD tantrumsJinxed...
>>65476646what's wrong with GDI? Also what tantrums with Bsquareds?
>>65476686>GDIwas 3D printed garbage at 700$. Absolutely insane. Hasn't produced any more because it looks like garbage>BsquaredBrowse his Twitter account - bro get's CONSTANTLY side-tracked with Halo bullshit. Last post on the G36 FRT was in April with 0 updates since.>HagadefenseWas looking forward to their AR FCG for the G36. They're charging 430$ for just the part. No trigger, no safety not even a fucking Fagpul 10$ pistol grip.Neither of which somehow can't make the FRT work with the S5/GSG lower. Of course, no comment on whether a SS/FRT works,
>>65476708*Neither Bsquared nor GDI could make their FRTs work without swapping the lower. Haga made no comment whether FRTs work.
>>65476708>Was looking forward to their AR FCG for the G36just because it has a AR FCG doesnt mean it would work off the bat, there needs to be a trip developed for it I would think
>>65476715No of course not. I would just like to know if it'd be at least a gateway to make it work, similar to that MP5 FRT was in an AR FCG lower. Anything to justify that outlandish pricepoint.
>>65476708It's okay brother it'll get settled, in the meantime join us in the .22lr G36 craze
>>65454755>>65454998>>65455072>>65457337>>65457347>>65457767>>65470128>>65470928>>65471443>>65472526P320 REAPER UPDATE3rd test undertaken today after several mods. I have unlocked several secrets. Today was all about getting it humming with subsonics and a suppressor. 300 rounds tested: 147gr blazer aluminum tmj, 147gr american eagle fmj, 158gr prvi fmj. USW320 B&T chassis full size with romeo optic and omega 9k suppressor. Mods and Observations:>I reiterate - chassis is the way to go. It works as a pistol but only as well as any full auto pistol ever works...10yd minute-of-barn bullet hose>absolutely upgrade the springs, strongest power you can in either compact or full size>CHANGED THE TRIGGER FROM CURVED OEM TO 90DEG FLAT, huge difference...much more reliable>disconnector out the box was very tight in the fcu, removed it and did light filing and then polished and now moves with zero friction, definite reliability increase>WITHOUT SUPPRESSOR REALLY NEEDS A GOOD COMPENSATOR especially one that vents at 12 and 2oclock, I used a CMT mini combat 9>I figured out a lot of my problems were the system running dry due to heat, every 100rd or so take the slide off and clp the slide rails>147gr blaser aluminum was dogshit. Best was 158 PRVI with 18lb full size spring, lubed, flat trigger and the suppressor using sig factory 30 rounders...literally rip after rip after rip.>tested ETS 30 and 40rounders and I dont know what the deal is but they just can't keep up, cyclics too high>without suppressor cyclic is 1000+ rds/min, with it drops it to 850-900/min...I'm at the limit of my mad science on how to drop it further without a mechanical rate-reducerBut I solved how to get it running 97%+ reliable with suppressed subsonics. I self-certify it as approved and tested for my own - possible your - shushedly spoopy covert and minimally compact moonlight activities.
>>65476605That's not Tim's own website. Are they paying him royalties or are they ripping him off?
New FRT Company and product https://youtu.be/unIEfwmdqtg[embed]https://ideatedefensesolutions.com/
Potential teaser for 3 pos Trigger Kicker
>>65477557really? what's the source?
>>65477551saw this, is kinda interesting but it's just a kabuto really
>>65477543Maybe he cut a deal with them to handle the volume that crashed his site.
>>65477565Hoffman's xitter, look at the computer screen
>>65477557>>65477565https://www.instagram.com/hoffmantactical/p/DczGHlkgVS3/
>>65477551>2 position >normal price is the same as an ARC
>>65477613Its also not hard at all to replace a AR 15 safety. Either way I'm happy to see more people pushing in this direction and saturating the market.
>>65477590>>65477586pretty sick, how do you think it will work?
>>65477199that's is some A+ information anon, I'm getting a raider soon
>>65477551this chart on that page is bullshit
>>65477734>bullshitWhy?
>>65477752there arent any frt that requires permanent modification, 2 position being a plus is weird and consistent trigger reset is retardedThis is just a modified kabuto
>they use anything besides a plain old push button ssLet me guess, you need more?
>>65477800dont want to button accidentally when I sling my rifle
>>65476646>>65476708I feel your pain, brother.
>>65427199is there yet to be an FRT for a PLR-16/SU-16?it has yet to be done
>>65478023not that i am aware of
>>65477199If your gun is running dry due to heat you need to be using a high temp grease or a high temp machine gun grease like Slip2000/EWG or TW25B.
>>65429070>>only source is an stl file Why the fuck do they use an 3d animation file type instead of sharing something useful.
Anyone keeping up with the news? Apparently rare greed/ATF is trying more bullshit
>>65478698like what?
>>65478790https://texasgunrights.org/atf-sees-rare-breed-injunctions-as-a-way-to-limit-forced-reset-triggers/
>>65478849how is it possible to only allow one product? That's like saying you can only buy coke and pepsi and dr pepper is illegal
>>65477580Probably should check that it isn't some asshole who bought one and started churning them out. Tim deserves some money (and needs it for the lawsuits).>>65477557Is that a Rack Robotics wire EDM?
>>65478550Like it or not, STLs are the standard way to share 3D printable designs.
>>65478550how else would they distribute the file?
>>65478550What's wrong with stl? Isn't like 99% of shit on Odysee distributed via stl?
>>65476605>>65477543>>65477580>>65479330>>65471421>Hoffman Tactical Trigger Kicker is now being distributed by AR15Discounts.They aren't listed on Hoffman Tactical's official dealers page.https://hoffmantactical.com/dealers/There are five listed "official dealers" who are buying from him; I'd recommend buying from one of these, unless that "discounts" site is a subsidiary of one of these.
>>65479611STLs aren't really a CAD file format. They are basically a shitload of triangles that show the outside shape of the part. They don't accurately represent cylinders, circles, or curves. They give no dimensional information other than "here are some triangles, you can measure across them if you want."STL really does suck if you want to do anything to the part other than run it through a slicer and print the result. Unfortunately they are what everyone uses because it's simple. They're also a way to avoid having designs ripped off because it's marginally more difficult to reverse them into a CAD format and then change them.>>65478869It's the BATF, they've never been rational, much less reasonable.
>>65479330>Rack Robotics wire EDMYeah
>>65478478I have upgraded to tw25. Running very well.Another piece of info I forgot to mention, I'm suspicious that it may be a good idea to upgrade or have spares for the extractor spring or the extractor itself. I'm nkt saying I encountered any issues but I've read elsewhere on G18 forums and other auto pistols that they're hard on extractor and I'm going to assume running pistols with FRTs will be the same.Handguns really aren't engineered to be SMGs, so it's probably a good idea to have extra strength high quality spares lying around.Does anybody know if there are polygonally rifled CHF aftermarket barrels for p320s? If im going to be enjoying this thing as much as I think I will I'd like a barrel that can take a bit more punishment and won't shoot the railing out of within 5000rds.
>>65480306*shoot the rifling out
where's the ARHK? it's September with no updates since July
>>65480320>he actually thinks it's coming outIs this your first time dealing with ASD? Say what you want about rare greed, but at least they actually sell you a functional product instead of making you wait literal years (MP5 lowers) or having all their stuff become vaporware (ARHK, the various FRTs that ASD has abandoned, etc).
>>65479945Dirty bird is ar15 discounts house brand
>>65480367>>65480320they need to change their machine shop partner like yesterday
>>65481386It's not even that. They're utterly incompetent and announce things when they have nothing in hand yet. It's like the moment their ideas guy has an idea, they announce it as a product.
>>65481484well to be fair, they announce it when they have a working prototype with footage
>>65480367>>65481386You cannot deny their efficacy as a design house with s3igu though - they are so far ahead of RBT and every other competitor in R&D.Their problem is scaling manufacturing - that business ain't easy and machine shops more often than not fucking suck - and while we're on the topic of ASD vs RBT - RBT was lucky they had their MP5 pack in dev for so long there is no doubt their R&D has taken a serious hit due to their legal costs and actions.
>>65481484DESU ASD needs to consider selling/licensing some of s3igu's designs to friendly competitors with excess manufacturing capacity - imo most of the B&T line should get licenses off and they should focus on the stuff in development hell like the Stribog.They might be incompetent in putting a frt in your hands, but they've designed and showcased 30+ different platforms firing with their prototypes.But you cannot deny the ARHK is going to be an utter game changer. PTR Inc. and the Turks will have a real marketable incentive to put HK33's, HK21 and HK23's into our hands
>>65481669>HK21I want to believe.
>>65481669>HK21dream right there
>>65481653>You cannot deny their efficacy as a design house with s3igu though - they are so far ahead of RBT and every other competitor in R&D.oh absolutely, they are lucky to have a genius like s3igu around. s3igu should work with other people as well to push his designs out quicker, like 009515. 009515 designed the FRTs for stribog and B&T for asdesigns and they are just dragging their feet. This is so bad for asdesigns that there is now a drop in trigger for the B&T platforms which render their solutions useless. 009515 is also working with other people to push his mini-14 and tp9 FRTs out.
Are anti-walk pins REALLY necessary for an FRT build, or is it just snake oil?
>>65481852for cassette triggers they are 100 percent. For FRTs that are selectors, no. I have them on my rifle just in case though
>>65481856>mfw arc fireI should be good then
>>65481882>arc fireFinally someone made the right choice. OG SS and Arc are the only good ones.
>>65482048What's wrong with cassette triggers?
>>65481817IMHO R&D is wasted for anything B&T that isn't the TP9 and their rifles.The other overpriced direct blowback trash shouldn't be getting this attention - I can think of several Kel-Tecs more worthy of an FRT
>>65483988TP9 looks cool but it's really unreliable
double barrel 1911 frt
>>65486611Source with audio?
>>65486747https://nitter.kareem.one/eMTBrides/status/2096398922650464339#m
Best selectable Glock FRT?
>>65487180there is only one out right now
>>65487298And? Gen 1, Gen 5, what and where?
>>65487438https://gforcecnc.com/product/neo-selectable-frd/
>>65487444>$225>NEO IS NOT DROP SAFE. RANGE USE ONLY.Still in. Thx.
>>65487462>Available on backorderFug.
>>65487462>>65487465I do have it btw and it does work, I put it in a g3 glock 34. I do have an issue in which in FRT mode the trigger pull is ridiculously hard. I'm pretty sure this is related to the connector, so I bought a different one just in case. It already comes with one as well though.
>>65486771>nitter.kareem.one/THANK YOU, anon. Holy crap, it even displays the boobs accounts.
>>65486771BTW, if that's your own personal instance that you set up, do you know of a good tutorial on how to do it? I'm probably going to go that way RSN since I want to set up a personally hosted VPN anyway.
>>65488021not my own personal instance, but I'd imagine that information is on nitter's github
>>65488016which accounts? dont leave me hanging
>>65487523A little concerned bout drop safe isue, but thinking it's just a liability disclaimer. I don't drop my Glock anyway. Who here has dropped their Glock lately?
>>65488138I haven't but things happen
>>65488063I follow mila_azul religiously and have since she first appeared a decade ago. She hasn't started to hit the wall yet even though she's 28 now. Especially look for this pic: HQFYoSfWYAAQu9-.jpgI sometimes take a peek at hareniks even though she has small boobs just because she sometimes does fundraisers for Ukrainian military groups.>>65488024Thanks, yeah, it sort of is, but I don't know what the twitter account type stuff means. Apparently there are multiple types.
>>65488063Oh, Mila also has milaazulchan for her cosplay stuff. She seems to be trying to separate that from her outright porn, possibly to have a career to move into once she hits the wall.
>>65488184>>65488180I see, thanks friend
>>65488016>>65488024There's also bitter.st but you have to have a fediverse account to use it.
>>65488406that's extremely useful friend, I use these instances to gather news and information for FRTs
>>65488501Is it that hard to make a xitter account with a burner email
>>65488180>following an onlyfans where "religiously" Brother are you good
>>65489217yeah you need a phone number as well, any other auth with twitter like apple or google also needs a phone number
>>65489231Use Google voice. Also you don't need a phone number. At least not all the time>source, I keep making new xitter accounts because I keep getting bannedHowever I think xitter keeps track of IPs so sometimes I get instabanned the moment I make a new account lol.
>>65489243didnt think you could use google voice, that's interesting, but also you still need a google account which needs a phone number
