So far they have not embarrassed themselves and they are Russia's #1 ally. Ignoring how Kim has Putin by the balls how have the Nork's troops been doing?There has been enough time past in this war where we can have an adult conversation about the quality of North Korean soldiers compared to the quality of the average Russian soldier. I want to have this conversation.
I'm not entirely sure we have a decent method of understanding their effectiveness. I think one of the issues (and I may be misremembering here) is that they are sent over and equipped and deployed by the Russians, they don't use their own gear or their own TTPs. If that's correct then they're probably just more meat that can't read any of the signs or can barely communicate with anyone.
>>65427836Living up to your name
Supposedly they're surprisingly disciplined and also very quick to kill themselves if they think they're going to be captured
>>65427950Didn't they get into a firefight with the Kadyrovites and now the Chechens won't act as barrier troops against them, because they're too scared?
>>65427950They are disciplined but do not commit sedoku nearly as much as mobiks do
>>65427958Chechens are such massive pussies, it's wild how they had this tough guy persona before the war started and revealed what they're truly like
>>65427836There's literally no way to know outside of just the small snapshots we have of their REALLY outdated equipment, but considering the fact that they have almost no combat experience I really doubt they'd last long in a conventional war, the real fear is that they'd just unleash a massive artillery barrage on Seoul before anyone could really respond which would be a pretty damn bad hit to SK in general, but odds are the Norks would get their shit pushed in HARD after the first hour when SK air strikes started taking their artillery out.
Assuming we cant trust any official Russian or Nork accounts of their effectiveness, what other evidence or accounts do we have that are at least slightly more trustworthy to accurately gauge their effectiveness?
>>65427836>So far they have not embarrassedThey're an impoverished backwards shithole who builds entire Potemkin cities that only piss drinking retards like yourself believe. You probably have brain worms from eating shit.
>>65427836>Pov: OP phoneposting about north korea
>>65428018PISS NUKE!!!!!!!
https://www.reddit.com/r/MovingToNorthKorea/what the fuck
>>65427968They are essentially bullies. They are top tier in terrorizing fellow soldiers and being assholes and pretending to be strong but they suck in actual wars
>>65427836>So far they have not embarrassed themselvesthey embarrass themselves since the late 50's, retard
>>65427836The quality of their soldiers generally doesn't matter. Same way the quality of South Koreans in Vietnam didn't matter. What matters is the financial, material and political gains they make from this.So far it seems to be paying off. According to South Korean intel the Russians paid $10 billion for the grunts and shells alone. This doesn't include raw materials, oil and food also provided to North Korea. Mind you the entire annual gdp of North Korea is merely $27 billion.Now the question remains if Kim will be able to turn these gains into long term profit. Right now he can milk the Russians for whatever money they have left, but that cow is obviously going to run dry eventually.
>>65428001It's been a while but iirc the Ukrainians did report that Norks are somewhat more competent and disciplined than the Russians in Kursk.
I remember we were thinking they were penal battalions or other such chafe but nah they were spec ops and didn't bring NK equipmentI also don't think they operated drones, just worked as grunts with their literal Korean war tactics and using themselves as bait for ukie dronestheir presence prompted SK spec ops to Ukraine - there's a story we're not hearing about
>>65428012The chinese are the ones building potemkin cities. The North Koreans don't have the resources to build random cities.
>>65428900>I remember we were thinking they were penal battalions or other such chafe but nah they were spec ops and didn't bring NK equipmentwasn't it that they were proper soldiers that had disgraced themselves somehow?
>>65427836Norks are ok in the realm of retarded. That's not a high bar. They are institutionally incapable of manufacturing material sacrifice so for example lost wax casting puts them in a bad mood because they wanted the wax too.
>>65427836Not a Best Korea supporter or anything but seeing Kim hug that soldier after returning from the front and him breaking down in front of the wall of his fallen comrades brought a tear to my eye.
>>65427836Imagine if Russia was just Moscow and St. Petersburg, and they were surrounded on all sides by hostile highly militerized states that don't put up with their nonsense? That's what NK actually is. The only reason they're not running around going "NK #1" is because South Korea is so much larger and stronger so they can't.
>>65428555That's not exactly a high bar to clear, Russians have spent the entire war proving they're about some of the most militarily incompetent people on the plant, goat fuckers are genuinely better fighters
I just remember them goonmaxxin the moment they got unrestricted internet access
>How is the DPRK doing?I like how they've copied the Chinese strategy. Not by opening up a free market economy but by getting nukes and then getting recognised as a bilateral power by the US.
>>65427836No idea what's happening, but things are indeed happening.
>>65430179kekIs that real?Another free win for Xi if true.
>>65430179this nigger has lost his mind lmao
>>65430179>it's real
>>65430221He never had it in the first place.Trump cares nothing about the country, he cares about manipulating people for his own amusement, stroking his ego, and monetary gain. He's a liar and a bully, not someone who holds reasoned policy positions for the good of the People that he will tirelessly work to implement to Make America A Little Better Tomorrow Than It Is Today.
>>65429961Taiwan still can't understand that it's crazy
>>65428012North Korea has already colonized other star systems while america thinks flying around the moon is an accomplishment
>>65427960Isn't suicide illegal in best korea now?
>>65430179The old man's going senile
>>65428900Wouldn't that be a story? SK spooks in Ukraine trying to capture/kill Norks?
>>65430179best Korea wins again!
>>65430399Apparently his aides had to shoo away the press when he started rambling about shit
>>65430179He wouldn't be able to point Korea on the map.
>>65430179What the fuck is going on with this retard?
>>65430179>>65430219>>65430221>>65430399>>65430930>North Korea assists Russia in fighting in Ukraine>USA, jewed, attacks and cripples Iran, a strategic partner to Russia>South Korea, whose best interest is in sucking daddy USA cock, goes libtard and says “nah I’m not gonna legitimize your Iranian war that’s directly benefiting my enemy to the north” because muh optics and muh feminismHe worded it so retardedly but it’s the carrot and the stick.
>>65430989Anons dont like to remember that SK is a terrible country
>>65430989russia = offers carrot to north korea -> gets ammo & meatUS = threatens stick to south korea -> loses yet another ally
>>65427968>>65428165In a way, they’re products of modernity, or more specifically of the identity vacuum it created. They got absorbed into the Ummah LARP, even though the Chechens who fought the Russians were often competent, disciplined Soviet-trained officers who used Soviet tactics. The current generation, by contrast has been socialized into a broader Ummah identity and now LARPs as part of the South Asian diaspora, shouting ‘Allahu Akbar’ and getting themselves killed
>>65430221>>65430989>>65430179Speaking logically a deal with the Norks that involved incremental trade concessions in exchange for them stopping military support for Russia would be the best way to stop the war in Ukraine. Russia simply cannot fight without their munitions, not unless they want to lose even faster.
>>65427836The artillery only usually doesn't kill the people firing it.
>>65431851Yep but what's stopping the norks from taking the money and delivering the arty and missiles anyway?
>>65430179just a nudda 64bit chess move dem libz will never understand
>>65432012Hence the incremental part, you would dial the concessions up and down based on how badly they were violating the agreement. At the end of they day they want money, if they could get away with it they would sell weapons to Ukraine if you just paid them a bit more.
>>65427836Like, idk for them? 8/10 and for normal humans like a 6. How fucking retarded do you have to be to fight, or be Kim and agree to send troops to, RUSSIA. I mean, just dealing with them is the lowest of low social circles among nations.
>>65427849They use they're own gear and vehicles anon.
>>65432012Being the right kind of asian
>>65430179Based
>>65430179Is he really referring to himself in the third person?
>>65430930Nobody wants to join him in the sandpit, for obvious reasons, and thus he concluded that the best course of action is to undermine what he sees as freeloaders riding the US's gravy train without contributing anything meaningful in his eyes. Nevermind that all international commitments the US has incurred over the last two centuries enable the vast network of bases that the whole gravy train is reliant upon.It's basically grifter mentality. "You help me out, or else!" Not that other administrations haven't engaged in copious amounts of grifting, blackmailing and other chicanery but they were infinitely more subtle and nuanced about it.
>>65431851A McDonalds in Pyongyang in our lifetime? What a bizarre world we live in.
>>65430179Typical Worst Korea behavior no gratitude just overpriced RAM
>>65432915Not necessary. Gogigyeopbbang or 'double bread with meat' was invented by Kim Jong Il over two decades ago.
>>65432946Ok, I was not expecting the cheese on top of the bun. What was glorious leader thinking?
>>65427836>Are they good soldiers?Yes, without a doubt.>Are they good soldiers for modern warfare?No, definitely not.If you're interested, I have a video on my channel showing an examination of a killed North Korean soldier - a special forces platoon commander.In addition to all his gear (of which he had a lot), he was also carrying an automatic smoothbore anti-drone rifle.https://rumble.com/v6dwmnp-unboxing-of-the-north-korean-special-forces-officer.html
>>65427836Fuck off you retarded tankie.
>>65430221We're going to have Vance face off against Hegseth in a coup before we're over
>>65432975Isn't Rubio's job to tardwrangle them? He'd have to die or quit first.
>>65432962Oh cool, thanks.>>65432966Actually a pro USA/DPRK Alliance MAGAtard thank you very much. Russia and the PRC are long term enemies of both nations (less Russian now that they are a Nork client state) so over the long term an alliance is the natural conclusion. I envision a US backed DPRK acting like a nuclear armed Ukraine but fighting China not Russia. You must be new here or you would be aware of my unorthodox stance and utter hatred of commies as well as leftists in general however that subject is off topic and for other boards.
>>65433073>I envision a US backed DPRK acting like a nuclear armed Ukraine but fighting China not Russia.One one hand, that's retarded.On the other, I could totally see the CIA doing it because it is so retarded.
>>65433085Almost happened prematurely. China tried to do a pro Chinese Generals coup when Un took power, it ended very badly. It was more or less a sting operation since the pro Chinese generals didn't exist and relations went to shit for half a decade. Ask Kim Jong Nam how it all worked out, image highly fucking related.
>>65430219>2040>Class! raise in attention to the new anthem of the Socialist States of America!!>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DW1a2j8RbY
>>65432962Oh i've seen this before. Wish it had English subs or at least a transcript. I remember the first time i saw it i immediately thought it was authentic because i recognized that thing they do where they screw scrap metal to their boots to extend the life of the soles and to get grip on frozen ground.
>>65432962Is there a transcript? From what i can tell the guy was very well equipped and the 'unboxing' was done in the professional and respectful manner, my only real complaint is that they should have blurred his features (or at least his eyes) besides for a single close up of his teeth which is relevant info.His teeth look great and even look like they have had basic western level work done on them which indicates a relatively upper class background.
>>65433073>>65433116>>65433129Sorry, boys.I'm not going to bother with a translation.All my efforts to bring you all of the content haven’t earned me a single penny.I think it’s all pretty clear anyway: weapons, ammunition, a map with coordinates printed out on a printer. Just the usual gear for a soldier. You won’t find anything magical in this video.
>>65427985This post was written by AI hands. I can't prove it but it smells like circuits.
>>65433158I didn't think so. Seems pretty self explanatory:>Pretty well equipped>HIGHLY trained unit if the ranks are correct>High morale and skills>Not ready for the reality of the theater>Good soldiers, need to adaptMy biggest question is that they might be too highly trained to be adaptable although the shotgun and notebook tends to say they can adapt. My only real issue that object to (and frankly Ukraine should know better) is they should have blurred his face or at least blacked out his eyes, the only relevant thing there was his features and mostly that was the status of his teeth. Showing his face like that is probably a minor Geneva violation. While Russia doesn't care Ukraine should, as far as we know Norks are literally the only party to this war whose troops have NOT committed verifiable war crimes**I'm talking about Nork battlefield troops not doing war crimes, not the guys who are flinging KN-23/24s at cities.
>>65427836My Norkgga, if you don’t know, none of us know
>>65433241I don't have access to the corpses of KIA North Korean troops and my contact with the Ukrainian military is limited to this board although it is mostly positive. For some reason my passport renewal is on year three of delays so i can't join the UA and look for myself. Some of you are pretty smart and have niche info or angles i haven't considered, i can fish for info if i want while getting the opinion of a decent number of people who have unique views on the matter.
>>65430405They did, they got two of them.
>>65432843No they are not.Sorry for so many replies to a thread i started, i'm nitpicking through the replies that aren't obvious trolls, bots or shills.
>>65433263>For some reason my passport renewal is on year three of delaysYou're probably on some watchlist of a three-letter agency that thinks you're a fifth-columnist, a sleeper agent or on the payroll of foreign interests instead of... Well, you. The PATRIOT act might have expired but its provisions never went away, Norktard. Probably never will.
>>65433291Sauce on that? How come they didn't off themselves?
>>65433199They entered the war to fight, Russians aren't really given the liberty of anonymity after they die, so why should norks? Especially considering the fact that the only people who could identify them are other North Koreans. A soldier is a soldier, and as far as this war is concerned, few dead soldiers get the privileged of staying anonymous after they have already been layed out. Especially if they havent rotted before they can be identified. They didnt even zoom in on their face (purposefully anyways), so as far as most people are concerned, its just another victim from the steppe.I know your namefag is Norktard, but you aren't retarded enough to forget the Norks are the invaders here, not the other way around. Hopefully he got either a decent burial or cremation.
>>65433311>They didnt even zoom in on their face (purposefully anyways), so as far as most people are concerned, its just another victim from the steppe.NVM, spoke too soon, they did, but my point still stands. Most people wouldn't even know they are north korean unless they are told so.
>>65431037>especially if they rely on American technologies and to a lesser extent protection. Something that everyone and their mother is trying not to. Everyone who does knows that Trump might be bad, but Vance will probably be worse. >>65432975Rubio is smarter than hegseth. Any face off would be between him and Vance. Im pretty sure 90% of the Pentagon staff wat to throw hegseth into a blender themselves and serve him as ground chicken in a recruit depot, so he would at least provide some value to the armed forces.
>>65433307When the war started alot of people who had just retired or were in IRR status with the Army had the same issues i have had and still do. It has been almost 20 years since i have had a security clearance but it was pretty specific stuff, i'm sure someone is looking over me and my online posts who is not OK with me not leaving the Country. >>65433311The Norks fight for Kim and Country. They have contempt for Russia but need the benefits so they are willing to die for the greater good as they see it. Most Americans i've met can't understand the idea of dying so future generations can have a better tomorrow. It might be propaganda in the Nork's case but they believe it and are willing to die for it, that is something i respect.>the Norks are the invaders hereNo that is incorrect. The Nork's ally is the Russian invaders, the Norks only fight to defend their ally at least officially. So far Nork troops fight to defend Russian soil, not to invade Ukraine. That is an important distinction. The DPRK doesn't care about invading Ukraine, before the war they were friends. It is Russia who has forced this conflict, the Norks are just upholding treaties and making Putin Kim's bitch. If the Norks were sure that they would have security assurances and normal relations with the west they would turn on Russia and do so very quickly. I think this is what Trump is trying to do: Nixon went to China, Trump wants to go to Pyongyang. The world is crazy right now, could you imagine a world a year or two from now where Russia and North Korea were enemies and Ukraine was the one getting shells from the Norks? I sure as hell can.
>>65430179I wonder is Republicans are also thinking "is this real or a AI fake tweet? Would my party support this? " >>65431215The videos and social media and reports kinda paint them like insta thots. LOta posture and pretending like the convoys that got bayraktared and group bullying but the when the wagnerite just released from prison that been pretending to be sane and calm stops the y piss themselves. >>65427836North Korea is apparently getting better? It's having a slow modernization unfortunately still closed for tourism.... >>65427849From what I heard best Korea is gathering experience in war and send lots of observers, money seem not to be the motivation they get that from other sources, like the lumber-labor camps in the Russian east.
>>65431037>>65433349If the USA gets the DPRK as an ally then Japan and the RoK don't really have a choice but to go along with it do they?
>>65433393>The Nork's ally is the Russian invaders, the Norks only fight to defend their ally at least officially. So far Nork troops fight to defend Russian soil, not to invade Ukraine. That is an important distinction.I am not going to argue becuase you make a point, but how did Ukraine capture a dead nork? If they aren't attacking Ukrainian soil they shouldn't be around to be snatched like this.
>>65433360vance is just a flesh droid for peter thiel
One of them got captured by the Ukrainians, tried to kill himself by slamming his head into the ground, and then later when he calmed down he asked the ukies to put on korean romance movies for him
>>65433396>still closed for tourism....Nope, the Wosan resort city is open for guests and business. Recently they have seen thousands of Russian and Chinese youth groups visiting, a few have even done excursions to Mount Baekdu along with Nork youth Groups like the WPK Youth Guards. It's like Crimea but without the daily drone bombing, less drunkenness and slightly scary chaperones. >>65433401From what i can figure out he got concussed by a blast, got knocked out then they found him. They were intent on capturing a Nork to prove that they were there for intel reasons. While trying to secure him and render medical treatment he put up resistance (he woke up and tried to kill everyone) and they had to break both his arms, legs and smash his jaw* before they could take him. There is a second one who was also badly hurt but the are only two Nork POWs so far.Pic is the guy, * is taking him. *https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlYrn2bXsc4
>>65433398I'd like to say no, but the Carter administration managed to convince Israel and Egypt to bury the hatchet. Then again, Egypt was broke and unstable on top of being fully aware it stood no chance whatsoever against the IDF even with backing of other Arab tribes so it's not like they had any better alternative. The Yen is struggling, so I could see Japan begrudgingly accepting on the condition that Best Korea stops flinging TBMs into their waters or through their airspace if another stimulus package is thrown their way but for Seoul? That'd be a bitter pill to shallow.
>>65433412>they had to break both his arms, legs and smash his jaw* before they could take him.Feisty little thing, I'll give him that.
>>65433401>If they aren't attacking Ukrainian soil they shouldn't be around to be snatched like this.Has the Kursk incursion been memoryholed already? Really?
>>65433423>but for Seoul?The DPRK has already made peace with the South and just wants a formal treaty with the South, the USA and the UN. That is happening right now. As long as the DPRK is vaguely engaged with the USA in trade and is at least neutral then Japan and the RoK have a great shield to protect them from China. The DPRKs atomic weapons and military might are that shield as is the DPRK's influence over Russia. Xi's nightmare is the DPRK having power over Moscow and at least cordial relations with the USA/RoK/Japan, the DPRK has alot of legacy friends like Cambodia, Vietnam, Sweden (!) and Thailand as well not to mention Africa. Seoul will be fine, long term i'd worry about Beijing. >>65433430They aren't wimps, why would anyone think they would send people who were incompetent?>>65433439Yes more or less. The big lessons were 'Chechens suck, Norks don't suck and they will kill Chechens if they do Chechen shit around Norks' Then the WPK's Chief Political Officer spent a week in Moscow with Best Sister and the Norks got semi control over their own operations. I'm quite sure Sergei Shoigu's Asian fantasies died after spending a few hours having Kim Yo Jong screaming in his face about unacceptable casualty rates and Russian troop discipline. I have zero evidence to support it but i'm pretty sure she kicked him in the balls and bitch smacked him several times.
>>65427836About as well as your piss collection you keep guzzling down piss boy
>>65433473You know, no one talks about drinking piss besides you. It is a like how no one talks about anal butt sex until a Russian shows up.
>>65433470>They aren't wimpsThey are tiny, though. Likely due to malnutrition and asian genetics.
>>65433487What a pathetic display of weakness. Here is your fake image compared to the real one on the right.
>>65433497Kek
>>65433497what has science done?
>>65433502ATTENTION ALL CHECHEN CITIZENS! ANY FURTHER RESISITANCE AGAINST YOUR NORTH KOREAN BENIFACTORS AND RUSSIAN ALLIES WILL BE DEAL WITH HARSHLY! THAT IS ALL.
>>65433293Weren't a few of their unique AA and artillery systems wacked when they were in kursk?
>>65430989Have you considered assembling your coalition first in order to legitimize your war? Instead of starting a war then trying to rope people into joining it six months later?
>>65433522They used Koksans and a few Bulsae launchers in Kursk. The Bulsae's were not a big deal as there weren't many of them but the Koksans were, Ukraine started hunting them. They hit a few but no lasting damage beside one that was being towed that was a total loss. They are tough and small drone payloads can't kill them. Baba Yaga's can't do it.Somewhere there is a clip of an observation drone calling down a HIMARS cluster bomb attack on a battery of them but they relocated a bit and tanked it. They are pretty tough, the DPRK designed them assuming the enemy would have total air supremacy and that has worked out for them. They aren't invincible but they do seem to have higher survivability than Russian equivalents.
>>65433423Carter also had to convince the Israelis to give up Sinai and had significant leverage against them. Despite the IDF coming out on top in '73 it wasn't a smooth ride. Nixon had to airlift ammo, tanks, guns and whatever weapon system available in Europe to Israel in order to even out early Israeli losses. The overall Arab failure is also more to blame on Assad and the Syrians shitting the bed on Golan than on Egypt. It was the failed Egyptian offensive meant to relieve pressure from Syria that laid the groundwork for the future Israeli war winning counterattack. Burying the hatchet was as much in Israeli interest as it was in Egyptian.
>>65433531You would be surprised at how quickly you can make friends under the right circumstances:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dai_Hong_Dan_incident
>>65433423>>65433533Obligatory mention: The Norks sent Egypt a few pilots in that war.
>>65433538Can't imagine they did any better than the Soviet ones.
>>65430989The problem is that it's not actually clear what South Korea, Canada, etc. can do for America here. The stalemate really comes down to the fact that Trump and Israel thought decapitating Iran's leadership would quickly result in the government being couped by those anti-regime protesters, but that hasn't panned out. If regime change was still something the US wants they'd need to deploy ground troops to go in and root the fuckers out themselves, but the rank-and-file don't have the morale for that right now.So what can SK bring to the table? Money? America has money. Footsoldiers? Politically inconceivable without American boots also on the ground. Munitions? They could blow up a few more Iranian boats and barracks but that's just kicking the can down the road.If there was an easy means of just putting the Ayatollah's head on a pike (well, the new one's :V) to get the economy back to normal, everybody would take it.
>>65433543Actually they did do better. The history of North Korean pilots in the Cold War is pretty interesting. At one point almost half the Mig-18/21 pilots over Vietnam were Norks. They fought in almost every Cold War conflict involving jets and did well. Their pilots aren't flying the most advanced aircraft but historically they are competent. Also they have the ultimate 'fuck you we are awesome ' street credentials because they shot down one of the worlds best jets with a fucking biplane.
>>65433470>Sergei Shoigu's Asian fantasies died after ... Kim Yo Jong screamed in his face and kicked him in the balls and bitch smacked him several times.Are you joking? He's Russian, those ARE his fantasies.
>>65430179The rest of you just don't understand; Trump waved his America-Dabra wand and grabbed Kim by the bussy, they're best friends forever now. They have become fundamentally covalent, entangled entities.https://youtu.be/qhkbzXPJ2SE
>>65433556I don't think that after a few days of diplomatic bullying she would be that impressed with him. He kisses her ass every time they meet and that includes his 4 day visit to Pyongyang with the WPK Commissar and Pak not to mention their visit to Moscow. She is attractive if you are a older guy who likes skinny chicks but she scary as all hell.
>>65427836At this point I'm certain norktard is actually Kim Jong Un. Do your own homework, Kim, we're not helping you.
>>65433497Looks like even you were fooled by the west comrade. The right hand picture is the second level of deception applied. Here's the ACTUAL real one. Always remember when deal with Western Running Dogs that there are wheels within wheels, deceptions layered upon deception.
>>65433579I'm not. I'm a autistic old fart who studied them too much and went down the rabbit hole. I'm a 50+ year old guy living off grid in a cabin in Northern Maine. Which is exactly the sort of cover story i'd use if i were Kim Jong Un trolling this board.>>65433584Of course, how could i have been so blind to the light of Our Ever Victorious People!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9q8qbeBFeIs
>>65427836As I understand it the first wave of norks got sent to the front line and was quickly slaughtered so subsequent waves have stayed away from the front and been used to relieve Russian rear area units so that they can be sent to the front insteadessentially chechens v2.0
>>65433589You are partially correct. Their first deployment was under Russian command and there were Chechens present. This is prior to the fight in Kursk. The Mobniks complained that they had better gear and support, the Norks demanded it as standard treatment of their troops. The Chechens tried their usual shit, the Norks just shot them on sight. There were a few Nork/Chechen fights, the Norks won. Like 'Chechens getting hit with ATGMS' Norks winning. So Norks get a separate command structure. In Kursk the Norks got slaughtered but they did the job and took it back, they beat back Ukraine and secured the territory of Russia that Russia could not take back themselves in the face of a Ukrainian invasion. The DPRK are sworn allies of Russia and will defend them if they are invaded, this is why the DPRK fought in Kursk. The DPRK will not help Russia in a invasion. Russians might fantasize about the 105th Armored Division and the Pyongyang Army Corps coming to save them or invade the Baltic Nations, it isn't happening. The DPRK might be tough but they aren't going to fight all of NATO on behalf of Russia when Russia can't defend itself. The Nork's are going to get real sick and tired of Russia the instant Russia can't pay it's bills in gold bars or Plutonium.
Here is a question i've been liking to ask: Is the DPRK a good ally to have?Historically they are very good allies, in the Cold War it was the DPRK, Cuba and that was it for support from the USSR or PRC. Vietnam, Egypt, Iran, Syria, you name the place and the DPRK was there. The DPRK even got $100 million in gold bars from the USA to assist their joint ally in Ethiopia.So i guess the question is: Do you think the DPRK would be a good military ally to your nation?
>>65427836>time pastNorktards brain is rotting into ESLhood
>>65433533>The overall Arab failure is also more to blame on Assad and the Syrians shitting the bed on Golan than on Egypt.Surely it had nothing to do with an incompetently staffed, poorly supplied, badly led, fractious, technologically inferior army, navy and air force with a track record of disintegrating on contact with anything other than their own civilians. Surely.
>>65433360>Vance wont be president, I doubt Trump will be removed from office. The government is just way too impotent and divided to manage something like that. I don't really believe he will be removed either, but I do think the two of them will both fight to run in 28.>>65433407And that is why he will run.>>65433398No, they don't. They are capable of building nukes very quickly.>>65433470>legacy friends like SwedenMate they scammed sweden in what the 80's and thats their last real interaction. Sweden is NOT in the same place politically any more.
>>65428955>The chinese are the ones building potemkin cities. The North Koreans don't have the resources to build random cities.Correct. Why bother making a fake city when you can make a real one for less effort? The DPRK is not a large nation, it is undergoing a phase where Pyongyang as a city and the center of power is absorbing the entire nation administratively. Administratively and Militarily, let me repeat that last part. .
>>65433636You could also read up on the war or watch a documentary before of trying to sound like a smartass.The initial Egyptian operation was a success and the Israeli counter attack a costly failure. Operation Nickel Grass wasn't launched because Nixon was feeling fruity one day. Egypt's plan was then to hunker down along the Suez and force the Israelis to sit down an negotiate. This went out the window because the Syrians disintegrated on contact and Assad was crying to help non-stop. So the Egyptians made the fatal mistake of launching an offensive into Sinai where they lacked AA-battery cover and got demolished by the Israeli air force. This in turn left their lines weakened and allowed Israel to exploit that during their renewed offensive.>>65433622The DPRK is only a good ally if you're completely isolated and need weapons urgently like Russia today and Iran in the 80s.
>>65433662Egyptians got almost instantly repulsed and surrounded and were only saved by the UN ceasefire. Like all mullah armies since the dawn of time, they failed on every level. To say they ever stood a chance at victory in the field of battle isn't disingenuous, it is moronic.
>>65432962>Smoothbore rifleI understand what you mean yet still know that you're wrong.
>>65430179lol it’s still stunning how many tens of millions of fucking retards voted for this grifter
>>65431851or a decapitation strike you monarchist slag
>>65432838Want nuclear submarines and less menrussia offers both even if extremely risky NK as little to lose
>>65432898US isnt using local bases for these strikes so thats outYour over thinking USA doing the bidding of one nation at the expense of everything elseThe war ebs and flows only as a pressure release for the final goal destruction
>>65434214Let me phrase it terms you'll find familiar: You're a room-temperature-IQ nigger. The vast network of bases enables the freedom of navigation that has benefitted us for decades. It has nothing to do with THE JOOS! No.Through their network of proxies, the Ayatollahs committed the cardinal sin of 'touching the boats' and thus choose death. Irrevocably and irreparably.They were warned, but still choose to touch the boats. No matter how this administration fumbles the ball. They are dead men walking and at best will end up like Syria.
>>65433662>Operation Nickel Grass wasn't launched because Nixon was feeling fruity one dayThe Soviets had to start airlifting supplies to Egypt a few days after the war started because they lost so much materiel.>Egypt's plan was then to hunker down along the Suez and force the Israelis to sit down an negotiateThey got a ceasefire agreement in the first week and rejected it.
>>65433622Kys piss drinking aids infected faghole
>>65433622Provided you're an ex-commie bloc nation not currently aligned with the west, yes? Then again, by that criteria you're already an isolated, corrupt, sanctioned and impoverished banana republic and you'll take whatever you can get to make yourself ever so slightly more inconvenient to be toppled and dragged kicked and screaming into a semblance of a democratic nation.
>>65433990I don't know the correct technical term for this thing.It's an automatic carbine that fires 12-gauge hunting shells.It's based on the Kalashnikov assault rifle.Vepr-12.
>>65433531people in charge of poland and ukraine like to paint themselves as victimize but throughout history they were always the foot soldiers of evil
>>65435127Polands largest military causalities (post WW2) was from US friendly fire.I want to say Canada's too.
>>65433990russia has some weird gun laws, the VPO series of civilian "AKs" is chambered in .366 TKM and only has a small section of rifling, the rest of the barrel is smoothso there is absolutely smooth bore "rifles" out there in the big 26, there's even a bolt action chambered in it with the same barrel design >>65435123oh that's just a shotgun.. a magazine fed shotgun is still a shotgun
>>65430179Is this the right thing to do?
>>65428012>your
>>65433584>this is what a nork looks like if he gets enough riceWe're doomed
>>65433547Best thing sk could conceivably do is maybe cheap electronics?
>57 nukesHow did they manage to build so many? How does the US even know?
>>65437446they were gifts
>>65427836None of this matters because NK is deliberately kept from advancing and because Juche is code for whatever Kim says it is. If an international unbiased coalition came in with tractors and modern knowledge and offered Kim to modernize his country for free, NK would have them all shot. The only cure for this is to toss Kim head first into a wood chipper along with the most senior members of his family and make sure no Kim can ever claim succession.
>>65427836It's clear the Russians gave them no drone-evasion training, as they were sitting in trenches all clumped up for the first few weeks and got BTFO. I think the only thing we can say definitively from the footage of their assaults is they're more athletic, more energetic and more motivated than the 50 year old alcoholics from Siberia they share the frontline with.
According to my intelligence, they are better equipped, have more training, and better weapons than their Russian friends. Source: dude trust me
>>65430179>"We have always been allies of Eastasia"
>>65435392If reports of them getting around $16 billion are true it would be cost effective to just pay them a bit more and offer a few easy wins like diplomatic recognition, modest sanction relief and a peace treaty. Longshot but hilarious option: turn a blind eye to people like Sudan, Ethiopia and the UAE buying weapons from them then we both act confused when they are resold to Ukraine.
>>65439514The Saudis would have a conniption.
>>65430930His brain was never particurally acute and has melted due to age.
>>65439656It has already happened on a modest scale. We have bought Nork weapons for Ethiopia and the UAE does it quietly all the time. Early in the war Wagner bought a bunch of really shitty Nork rockets that were in Sudan. Turns out Zelensky is personal friends with the General who runs Sudan, 122mm rockets from the same warehouse and batch showed up in Ukrainian hands but weren't crap and didn't mysteriously explode like the ones Wagner got. It very much looks like they sold Wagner the garbage, gave UA the goods ones and for shits and giggles sabotaged the ones they sold Wagner.
>>65439789Norktard, our entire economy hinges upon dangling bling in front the Saudis' faces and the vague promise we'll tardwrangle Israel when they eventually start looking south (we won't) so they keep selling oil in U$D. We can't keep giving them the middle finger or they'll wise up. Cold fusion is not ready yet.
>>65430179Why does he love the enemies of US and hate our allies?
>>65439823To own the libs, obviously. You'd not get it, pinko.
>>65439823He’s a psychopath.Western ideology is rational materialism. Even the whole Enlightenment thing is about not fucking yourself over with pointless conflicts.A psychopath is a being of pure ego who is all about putting others down to feel good about himself. Wealth is just a symbol of his winning over the ignorant as he scams them. A psychopath is not playing the game by the same set of rules and with the same outlook you are, they are snakes in the grass of a civilized social system.Trump hates our allies because they’re not full of hate like he is. Just as he thinks soldiers are stupid for choosing to risk their lives for a cause instead of conning rubes, he thinks a politician is weak and stupid for doing their civic duty instead of abusing the system for their own gain. Trump loves dictators because they’ve seized the entire system for themselves and that’s what he wants for himself.
>>65439804Why would the Saudis care about funneling weapons that end up in Ukraine helping to blow up the only nation besides the US that produces more oil than them? Anything that hurts Russia without their fingerprints on it helps the Saudis and the nations mentioned already buy Nork weapons. It would harm Iran as well, if anything the Saudis would help such a arraignment.
>>65431851>Speaking logically a deal with the Norks that involved incremental trade concessions in exchange for them stopping military support for Russia would be the best way to stop the war in Ukraine.is that what's happening? no.He's just being a petty shithead to south korea because they (like everyone else) refused to help him unfuck the situation he created in iran. some of you fuckers keep trying to read a deeper plan behind his actions, but 90% of the time he's just going off of how he feels that particular moment.
>>65439874It's not about Ukraine, it's about the UAE. The Saudis are on their own little cold war with the UAE, both funding opposing groups in Sudan and Yemen. You know, Arabs being Arabs.
>>65430989>USA, jewed, attacks and cripples Iran, a strategic partner to RussiaThe war objectively profits Russia more than it harms them, mostly because it's throttling if not outright stopping supplies of interceptors to Ukraine and their allies in the short to mid term, and also because the loss of Hormuz oil and gas provides Russia with extra leverage and economic gains (although they're not taking advantage of it because Ukraine anticipated it by buck breaking their oil industry). Don't try to frame it as the US trying to fuck with Russia, Trump is just a retard lashing out because no one wants to join his SMO.
>>65439883It doesn't matter if there is a deep plan or any plan at all; only the outcome matters.>>65439891The UAE already buys arms from everyone including the Norks to give to third parties and to diversify their suppliers, they are one of only three customers for Koksans and even offered them as intermediaries at a regional arms show a while back. Them shipping Nork weapons to Ukraine would change nothing beside giving them to someone who hurts a Saudi geopolitical enemy for once. Having quasi US oversight of those shipments would be in the Saudi's interests. Besides the Saudis should play nice with the Norks; it helps undermine Iran and give them a second option other than Pakistan if they need to buy atomic weapons in a hurry.
>>65439823his ally not helping against Iran really pissed him off it is genuinely insane the amount of shit the west in general had to deal with, because they keep helping the jews
>>65435011Yawn. Call me when the Invincible Eternal Golden Fleet actually manages to open up the Hormussy again.
>>65440215There is a very strong case that by 'normalizing' the DPRKs behavior you remove a huge existential threat to Israel. Besides the proliferation issue (Pakistan has nukes and missiles with Nork help) they are hostile to Israel and are utterly immune to any domestic pro Israeli influence, perhaps the only nation that can claim that. In the (very) highly unlikely event that they somehow became active combatants the Norks could fling (conventional) ballistics at them with near impunity, maybe if Israel had a sub in the Indian ocean they could launch a few missiles but otherwise they can't do shit. Even in a completely batshit insane nuclear war scenario where Israel struck first (a sub would be the only real practical method) the Norks would have a second and third strike capability. The DPRK can take multiple atomic hits, Israel can't take one and that is ignoring the fact that not only do the Norks have rough parity (and superior delivery means) to Israel they are very soon going to have superiority and shortly after that overmatch. Constraining the DPRK is very much in Israel's interests.
>>65433093is there anywhere I can read more on this Norktard? sounds interesting >>65433576>>65433515she's so fucking sexy. >>65433588>Which is exactly the sort of cover story i'd use if i were Kim Jong Un trolling this board.dubs, and if you really are Kim Jong Un can I respectfully fuck your sister please?
>>65440307>looks like a monkey with a crack addiction>she's so fucking sexy. Are you okay?
>>65440292>Constraining the DPRK is very much in Israel's interests.that is very low on their priority list, heck helping Ukraine against russia is way higher in priority since they share weapons and resources with iran, and they don't even do that
>>65427836how is this not a political thread? ohh wait! is this only for Israelites?I have a little dreidelI made it out of clayAnd when it’s dry and readyOh, dreidel I go Poland backOh, dreidel dreidel dreidelI made it out of clayAnd when it’s dry and readyOh, dreidel I go Poland backI’d love to be a dreidelI’d spin round and roundAnd when I get real dizzyOops! I might go Poland back!Oh, dreidel dreidel dreidelI made it out of clayAnd when it’s dry and readyOh, dreidel I go Poland back..
>>65427968The last chechens that had some fight got it raped out of them in pits in late 90s/early 2000s. Their sons are now sufficiently buckbroken to not be a threat again, but still not russian enough to let themselves be slaughtered like the usual zigger cattle.
>>65440307>sounds interestingRead up on Kim jong Nam. After the attempt failed PRC/DPRK relations took a huge hit, the PRC diplomatic presence was reduced to the point they could not maintain their embassy, at one point it was just 3-5 people and the Norks almost starved their Embassy personnel. Nam tried to defect to the USA but got greedy, he wanted to keep all the money he skimmed from the Norks criminal enterprises and was attempting to leverage his knowledge of the DPRK's underworld operations with the CIA to smuggle out is 'IL' gotten gains. His family got out but he lingered too long and got a rag soaked with a nerve agent shoved into his mouth by Nork female assassins, one wearing a shirt that said "LOL' on it. They used VX in two components to protect themselves. To add insult they got away with it despite neither being DPRK citizens, one was Indonesian and the other Vietnamese. Nam's family went first however, they are in the USA or probably a related 5 eyes nation most likely Canada. >you really are Kim Jong Un can I respectfully fuck your sister please?I'm not and no, could you even 'perform' knowing who she is? Besides, excepting undercover agents circumcision doesn't exist there and she probably thinks your penis is gross looking. She is also married with kids.>>65440338>helping Ukraine against russia is way higher in priority since they share weapons and resources with iran, and they don't even do thatAre you on crack? They already helped one Muslim nation get nukes and are the only nation that would conceivably sell them to Iran, the Saudis or even the Turks. That is a major Israeli issue.>>65440347We were talking about DPRK soldiers until you brought up Israel. Wait, somehow you think that talking about the military of the only nation on earth that is free of any Jews whatsoever started by a North Korean fan boy is Jewish propaganda?You are so low IQ you count as retarded in most western nations aren't you?
>>65440261>brownoid seethe3 refineries, maybe more
>>65440452The trolls are super mad because the 'massive attack' didn't do shit and the UA is throwing 600+ missiles at them daily. They are also getting passive-aggressive against the DPRK since their troops are better, their leaders are better and Nork missiles are getting hit less than theirs. Why that last part? The Nork missiles have better range and crews than the Russian ones.KN-23s are reaching parity with Iskanders in terms of accuracy but started out with better range and payloads. New Iskanders are starting to incorporate KN-23 features to simplify construction and make them more cost efficient. When the DPRK joined the war Russians never though it would be the Norks who would be teaching them how to do things right, they are starting to get butthurt over it and Trump making a deal with Kim scares the shit out of them because that would instantly lose them the war. Three words that sums up Russia's ass pain right now: NORK CLIENT STATE
>>65440481That sounds like a great way to antagonise China because it was my observation that it's China Russia is becoming more economically reliant, even dependent, upon, even if NK is their munitions provider. Beijing might not like Kim muscling in.
>>65440525Russia as military power is not a threat to the DPRK, i do believe i am quite infamous for predicting that the DPRK would be able to curbstomp Russia for almost two decades now in the Far East. What the fuck is Xi gonna do if the Norks make friends with the USA and suddenly have half of Asia is behind them? Is Xi going to rush his joke of an army over the Yalu? Hope they bring a raincoat because it will be raining nerve gas, the Yellow Sea will be a death zone for anything that floats, the Norks can hit Beijing with a few dozen nukes and The Nampo Tidal Wall is the naval equivalent of the Gates of Mordor but with better leadership**I've been working on that last part for a while The whole point is to antagonize China, they are an existential threat to the Kim Monarchy. China is the enemy. The PRC is the only power that is a serious threat to the Choson Dynasty, they have already tried to interfere in internal matters of the DPRK twice and that is just in Kim Jong Un's reign. Nixon went to China, Trump will go to Pyongyang. Ignore me at your own peril.
>>65440604>RussiaSiberia will be Chinese soon, Russia will not remain relevant.>What the fuck is Xi gonna do if the Norks make friends with the USAlaugh at the starving Norks and take Siberia, while nodding and smiling at the US next blunder.>Hope they bring a raincoat because it will be raining nerve gasAre you stupid?>The whole point is to antagonize ChinaCool plan, maybe try this with a few natural Allies.Sadly, these natural Allies (SK, Japan, Philippines, Vietnam, maybe even Laos, Malaysia, Indonesia and India) all hate each other almost as much as they hate China.But they hate Norkia even more, so if Pyongyang burns and everyone in the Great Gulag starves, they'll just watch and smile politely.>Trump will go to PyongyangAnd everyone with a brain will facepalm at king donnie's latest idiocy, yes.
>>65440169You're commiting the cardinal sin of thinking of Arabs as rational actors, Norktard. They'll see it as us picking sides on their tribalistic temper tantrum. I still remember my stint in Ramadi and how they would take off their shoes to fling at each other for the dumbest of arguments.
>>65442005Of course they are irrational, but everyone will pretend they are sane actors which gives the same outcome until they start randomly murdering each other. That is actually better than if they were rational actors. This way you get the Norks as an asset and Arabs are killing each other, two desirable outcomes for a relatively low cost.
>>65440324That's a rapeface if ever I've seen one.LOL, I'd hate to be her target!
