If you're a soldier, specifically Infantry and you don't complete this course how detrimental is it to your career?
Nobody gives a shit. People seethe if youre tabbed but not scrolled and brag about it like it means something, but not being tabbed isnt something anybody worries about.
>>65435795>how detrimental is it to your career?Not very, the only career it would hurt is Officers and dudes who are in the 75th. Rangers without it get bullied forever until the get it.For non-Rangers it means you aren't treated like a mouth drooling retard.
>>65435795You'll literally get turned into the barrack public use trap femboy if you don't
>>65435817what's the downside?
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>>65435795What happens if you attempt if but then fail it.
>>65435795For enlisted, it might make you take an extra year or two to get promoted from E6-E7 and CSM is basically a pipe dreamFor officers, it's basically a requirement since a bunch of your SNCOs will have them
>>65435795It depends a lot on unit, component, and rank.On active duty if you’re a light infantry officer without a tab, you won’t necessarily be bullied but it will absolutely hinder your career in the early phases. Battalion commanders will give you significantly less PL time, and dudes with tabs will get priority for every opportunity. Every tabbed officer I met had usually 12-18 months of PL time total whereas the untabbed ones usually only got 6-9 months and never played took a speciality platoon. Basically a tab is the expectation for light infantry officer. If you’re an O at an armored infantry unit no gives a shit about a tab because being able to manage the maintenance of Brads matters way more than a piece of cloth. In the 75th RR, E-5 and up must have a tab. No exceptions. Every E4 will go get a chance to ranger school, and if they can’t get a tab by the time they pick up E5, they get RFS’d. In the rest of the army being an NCO with a tab is a huge career booster even moreso than for officers because so few NCOs actually ever get a chance to go to Ranger school. Every single infantry officer (on active duty) gets at least chance at Ranger school after IBOLC and most get multiple chances if they want. Whereas many NCOs basically beg to go and never get a chance. Or they go then fail RAP week and never get a second chance. They have to get “lucky” and get assigned to Ft Benning for Drill duty or IBOLC instructor to get as many attempts as an O.In the National Guard no one gives a shit because we all have real jobs. However if you do have a tab, people will treat like you a god even if you fuck up a lot.It’s important to note that all the tab does is give you credibility as a butterbar. When you show up people will assume you don’t know shit about anything with or without it, but makes the tab them you have potential to be good instead of being another dumbass LT.t. Tabless Nasty Girl Officer
>>65435795>how detrimental is it to your career?Not in the slightest. There are many badges one can aspire to get: Airborne, mountaineering, ranger, SF, divers, sapper (all the Rangers and SF guys respect the combat engineer), Pathfinder, etc.
>>65436395>For enlisted, it might make you take an extra year or two to get promoted from E6-E7 and CSM is basically a pipe dreamCompletely the opposite. An E-4 who completes Ranger School can be automatically promoted to E-5 and any promotion thereafter will be easier due to having the tab. CSMs disproportionately have tabs compared to the general enlisted population because of this.>>65436344As enlisted: nothing, you'll be respected for actually going and trying, which most people don't do. For guys in the 75th (enlisted or officer): likely RFSFor officers: either sent back soon after or at another point in their careers, I've heard MCCC has pre ranger PT and land nav for captains headed to school right after.
>>65436667An Officer without a tab would never be RFSd from Regiment because a tab is a prerequisite for officers to even join. That applies for every single AOC, even the POGiest of POG officers need to have a tab there.
>>65436667>Completely the oppositeThe OP asked how detrimental NOT having the tab is
>>65435795>be prior enlisted commissioning>branch preference, top pick infantry because why not, I'm not competitive and won't get it>the obvious happens and I get branched infantry>now have to train for this shit because failing it is career suicideFun fact the ability of an infantry officer to retake it is more dependent on timing than unit. Some years they don't allow any immediate reattempts, some years they allow 1, some years it's unlimited. Supposedly we've currently rotated back around to "first time go or get fucked" but this does mean that you enlisted goobers are more likely to get a spot since there aren't multi-fail reject 11As hogging spots like there were in the last few years. So if you want to go, now's a good time
explain all the ranger tab and scroll and shit to me as a non burger
>>65437353Tab (Top) = Graduated a specific leadership school that has a reputation for being particularly toughScroll (Bottom) = A member of the 75th Ranger Regiment, an airborne light infantry regiment under USSOCOMMembership in the Regiment is determined by their own selection process called RASP (previously RIP). Most members of the Regiment are also tabbed, but newly admitted members who are not are "strongly encouraged" to get tabbed at the earliest opportunity (read as: harshly hazed until they get it)Generally, only members of the regiment (tabbed or not) are called "Rangers" while those who are only tabbed and not in the regiment are called "Ranger qualified".The tab is a permanent skills tab that can be worn on the uniform regardless of what unit you're serving in and completing the school is worth a boat load of promotion points as well as just generally looking good on your record when promotion comes up (to the point of almost being required for certain MOSs)
>>65435795I went as lower enlisted, but got dropped in mountain phase. It still helped me overall and leadership thought higher of me. Like 95% of enlisted never try it can pretty much only help.
>>65437404>(to the point of almost being required for certain MOSs)officers as well?
>>65437404>Generally, only members of the regiment (tabbed or not) are called "Rangers" while those who are only tabbed and not in the regiment are called "Ranger qualified".Ranger School graduates have been calling themselves Rangers before the Ranger Regiment existed. Ranger qualified is term that came up after COD: MW2 to explain to kids that didn't know the difference.
>>65435817Can't you just shoot them? You are in the army
>>65437626Shoot loads on them? Sometimes, but usually it's against code to do that
>>65437630No, bullets.
>>65437626>>65437646Friendly fire is very frowned upon, whereas ever since Obama, it is perfectly acceptable to get friendly.
>>65437530Officers especiallyRanger school is an extremely physically and mentally demanding leadership course, so not passing it kinda indirectly implies that you were either a bad leader or a pussy.
>>65437742and that even applies to people who don't even touch infantry stuff?
>>65437751I mean, if you're a cook people probably won't give a fuck. But for anything even remotely combat related, or where actual leadership (as opposed to management) is required, it's a good look to have it
>>65437794intrasting. thanks anoni'd say it's weird i don't hear about it more often but that's on me/confirmation bias, the "i proved i'm hardcore so i'm better" thing sounds more marine-ish than army to an outsider
>>65437822Some things are true. Take the navy for instance "I proved I suck more cocks so I'm better".
I never once saw a tab wearer that was worth a shit. They never brought back and taught what they learned in the course. They ALL had big fucking heads, though.
>>65437914Ranger tabbers definitely have the biggest heads. Especially when it's their only tab. Tower of Power guys are usually a bit more chill.
>>65435795https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6dolww1bXNgis he gonna make it bros?
>>65436585>When you show up people will assume you don’t know shit about anything with or without it, but makes the tab them you have potential to be good instead of being another dumbass LT.Reminds me of an old joke>a Corporal is a Specialist with leadership responsibilities>a First Sergeant is a Master Sergeant with leadership responsiblities>a Command Sergeant Major is a Sergeant Major with leadership responsibilities>and a 2nd Lieutenant is a Private with leadership responsibilities
>>65438082>Tower of Power guys?
>>65438672guys with the special forces and ranger tabs
Read this guy's memoir. He struggled through Ranger school in part to prove himself as a leader and got through it. Was put in charge of a platoon in the 10th Mountain Regiment, nicknamed "The Lone Ranger" because he was the only tabbed guy there. Didn't seem to matter much. He eventually made it to Ranger Regiment before getting injured in a jump IIRC.
>>65438672Guys wearing 3 tabs (the maximum allowed to be worn at one time on the uniform). I once heard it said that having 3 tabs on your shoulder leaves no room for a chip.
>>65438681Some people don't find any use. Other's say it should be mandatory.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyK4pokIqgI
>>65438322>42>looks 57Yikes
>>65438755What UV radiation does to a whyte goy.
>>65438681>>65438747Guys on the ground don't really care if you're tabbed (except for the Ranger Reg.) but it's an easy way for promotion boards to narrow down candidates. There's actually been a lot of controversy within the Army about how officers who have nothing to do with direct infantry combat needing to go to Ranger School to avoid up-or-out discharges since they'd get passed over by their peers who do go to Ranger School, even when they're otherwise less qualified/capable.
>>65438713>Airborne>Sapper>JungleAm I based now?
>>65435795The modern Ranger course is just a 61 day shit test. You don't learn anything on it. The original idea of Ranger course was to train Rangers. Now days its become a "leadership" course which just means is your standard squad leader course bu youre starving the whole time. Doesn't make a you a better leader. It doesn't make you a better mountaineer, paratrooper, amphibious warfare operator or infantryman. All the skills needed for the course are already taught or expected before you arrive. TLDR its bullshit. It needs to go back to what it was, an advanced Infantry course for elite soldiers.
>>65438783>JungleHow old are you, unc?
>>65438791(moar)>TLDR its bullshit. It needs to go back to what it was, an advanced Infantry course for elite soldiers.Essentially a "Commando" course, like the British All Arms Commando Course which Rangers were originally based on. Its hard but you also learn advanced skills like patrolling, recon, cliff assault, amphibious warfare, combatives and small unit tactics/raids not taught in the regular Army. When you see pics of guys in rubber boats on Ranger course you think they are some kind under water knife fighters. In reality they just got told "get in the boat and start paddling". British commandos actually learn doctrine of amphibious assault.
>>65435795Current guidance for the infantry E6 board (so, dudes who want to go from E6 to E7) is that it will give you a serious advantage when being looked at for promotion. Ideally, you'd have both your ranger tab and EIB as well as a handful of force multiplying schools (airborne, air assault, etc).As for day to day life, no one really looks at you weird for not having one unless you're an Infantry Officer, in Ranger Batt, or an Infantry 1SG and up. If you have one as an E2-E6, people will generally glaze the fuck out of you for no real reason. I see no reason why every Infantryman shouldn't at least attempt it once during their career. It's not some super secret ninja technique leadership school like RTB likes to pretend it is, but it IS essentially a stamp of approval: A dude with a tab has been verified as capable at one time of executing basic patrolling and combat tasks even in a worst-case-possible scenario of sleep deprivation and mild starvation. To me and most other grunts, that counts for something.
>>65438796I was being sarcastic. The guy said "3 tabs is tower of power".
>>65438796the jungle tab is army wide now anon
>>65438801>A dude with a tab has been verified as capable at one time of executing basic patrolling and combat tasks even in a worst-case-possible scenario of sleep deprivation and mild starvation. To me and most other grunts, that counts for something.I disagree. I did 5 years at the 82nd. Did Pathfinder, sniper course, 2 deployments. Never did Ranger. My reason being is I would have failed it. I wasn't the fittest guy and whilst I could endure being cold wet and hungry, I didnt need to endure it THAT much to prove anything. Nothing against guys who were tabbed but they weren't better than me.
>>65438812look man at the end of the day ranger school is just like 2 months of JRTC when you boil it down unless you fuck up enough to catch a recycle. The difference is that one gives you a tab that the Infantry glorifies, and the other is just something most grunts will experience throughout their careers. Some tabbed guys may not have been better than you, some 1000% were definitely better than you. That's not the point. The point is that the school produces a piece of paper and an easily identifiable tab that says "this dude can conduct a patrol or a raid or an ambush to standard while running off 2 hours of sleep and half an MRE in the last day" without needing any further explanation.If you have a tab, you don't need to sit there and tell your leadership "erm actually I've had fuckloads of CTC time and/or deployments and I'm perfectly capable of executing while suffering" and hope that they believe you. The tab allows you to skip that initial phase of "let's see what this dude is about" and gives you instant credibility.
>>65438825>The point is that the school produces a piece of paper and an easily identifiable tab that says "this dude can conduct a patrol or a raid or an ambush to standard while running off 2 hours of sleep and half an MRE in the last day"Again I disagree. First of all fuck JRTC, second I can do all of that without being starvng and sleep deprived and getting bitten by copper heads in a Florida swamp or falling down a cliff because I forgot to tie one of the 50 knots I was supposed to. Time in service, deployments and how many people youve killed should count for more. I agree with this guy >>65438799It should go back to being an advanced Infantry training course to given Grunts who aren't SF material the skills to perform those tasks. If that was the case I would done it and passed it.
>>65438935You've only proven you lack the mental discipline to.
>>65438942Whatever cuck
>>65438968Don't be mad at me due to the fact you lack fortitude.
>>65438993Whatever cuck.
>>65435795What about recon marines who fail it?
>>65437530ranger school is essentially required as of now for 11A officers out of IBOLC. this is actually destructive to a degree because it completely gunks up the capacity of ranger school because every 11a officer is more or less forced to try it because the commandant or whoever thought it necessary for EVERY infantry officer to be tabbed.imo it's all a bit stupid. ranger school is great for learning how to lead and survive under stress and exhaustion, but it's sort of morphed into a beast of its own where we treat the tab as an end all be all and the course itself as a sacred grounds of three phases and so on. this is even more so for the stupider schools (dont get me started on air assault), but it all reflects the army as a very tradition bound institution in the sense of what constitutes honor and respect in leadership
>>65439594to expand on myself, if i were put in charge of the army, i'd honestly take a deep and close look at schools as a whole. the army has a remarkably diverse environment of schools and tabs, many of them very useful and valuable. but a lot of them have sort of morphed into their own little fiefdoms that serve only to make themselves feel important.no better can this be seen than air assault. famously known as the "10 toughest days in the Army". this motto alone should scream at you the inherent problem here. obviously air assault is not the ten toughest days in the army. not even close, in fact. it basically consists of learning how to assault from the air and also how to rig equipment for transport. except this is apparently not enough for the school, so it has to compensate by tacking on random bullshit. air assault then also includes random crap like: tested runs, tested chutes and ladders, tested obstacle courses, tested 12 mile ruck, tested catechisms on whatever. being tested on sling loading is valuable and in service of the course. being tested on how well you can straddle a log is, stripped away from the rose tinted glasses, stupid. so why does it exist? because air assault needs to look tough, and it can't lose it's relevance or funding, so it becomes a vague warrior course on top of being a class on tying knots and rappelling. several other schools suffer from this, but none as much as air assault. one could strip most of air assault and keep all of the educational value while saving money. but the image triumphs over reason here, and so air assault stays. AEROSAL.
>>65435829Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ! ThAT WAS FUNNy11 mind IF I SHARE THAT WITH THE GUYS AT THE CLUb/
>>65439618>>65439594unfortunately this trend will likely only increase in the near term. the secdef, acting chief of staff of the army, and sergeant major of the army are all super into "standards and discipline" and vague definitions of the word "lethality" and want to make soldiers into masculine high test warriors and shit, and all the weird little games army schools play where there's a "day zero" and a PT test and a ruck march and you get smoked and whatever all feed into this image of military service they are trying to cultivate.
>>65438755Welcome to military life.
is anyone here tabbed and how common is it to shit yourself out in the field during ranger school? do you get wet wipes?
>>65440165ALWAYS carry wet wipes, if not for yourself, for you buddy that will definitely make a stinky mess.
>>65438322>take off your optic in the swamp water area it might get wet damaged etc when youre training.>keep the newest grenade launcher on your rifle thoughmake it make sense logistic armory bros
>>65438322Was in his squad until mountains and he made it I think good. Good dude.
>>65440208You don't use optics in ranger school because its all blank fire
>>65440332Hell yeah
>>65435829Gay ass nigga
>>65435795I would have more respect for a random front line Ukrainian soldier that has survived for 6 months to a year than I would any freshly shat out ''tabbed'' soldier that has seen nothing.
>>65437742>Ranger school is an extremely physically and mentally demanding leadership courseNot anymore. Females get through that shit now.
>>65442328>experience is better than trainingno shit, shirlock
>>65435795I am a reservist in my country. During my yearly training, there's a Regular Army guy who's nickname is Komando. It turns out he tried to qualify twice but failed both times. The other guys rib him about it because he went missing from base for 1 month (to the Commando training camp) but he gets silent respect for trying twice. He's a competent soldier. Only thing is that out of the 100 who applied, only 20 ever make the cut every intake.
>>65440208Weve had M320s for 15 years, they aren't special or treated with kid gloves.
>>65442328>missing the point so hardWhat if you're in an army which isn't at war and hasn't been to war recently? How do you check that soldiers are good at their jobs?Ranger School is one way. It's a certification program that says waow this guy can lead a squad without falling asleep when he's tired. So, and this should be obvious, it's considered unimportant when there are lots of soldiers with real deployment experience, and very important when there aren't.
>>65443709>It's a certification program that says waow this guy can lead a squad without falling asleep when he's tiredSo what I fall asleep when Im tired? Doesn't mean I can't shoot someone between the eyes from 500 metres away. The Army has to change. And I dont mean in the way it has; letting frmales in, going woke etc No it needs to keep the high fitness and male domaince but also make room for introverts, autists and socially mal adjusted people who whilst being patriotic and having a desire to fight, dont care about the rest of the bullshit.
>>65444241Not falling asleep during critical times is more important. Anon - you're fucking retarded and only proving why you're not a quality candidate for jack shit. Your empty brainbox is a bigger issue and liability.
>>65444261>Not falling asleep during critical times is more important.It isn't. Pic related, this guy didn't give a fuck. He had no care in the world for Army rules, discipline or doctrine but he could march, fight and shoot. And he was good at it.>But that was war time, its different!!!Its not. Either the Army changes or it should be disbanded and PMC's should be raised. All kill, no drill. Kids don't join the military to sweep up parade grounds and do guard duty, they join to shoot cunts in the face and re-enact stuff they see in COD. Deal with it. Fuck you are you're stupid "give me a warning order in 2 minutes when you havent slept in 3 days" bullshit.
>>65444321Forgot the pic because of the capture. If Im not required for work, I'm sleeping. Leave me alone.
>>65444321>>65444323You're really too fucking stupid to understand why falling asleep at the wrong moment in an active combat zone could be a problem?
>>65444353Theres a difference between falling asleep and falling asleep on ranger course. Idiot. Life will never be as bad as ranger course>Combat willCombat isnt range course, its combat, its different. You just cant replicate it. And as someone whos been in it, I didnt need a tab to do it.But whatever man. If you need a piece of fabric to feel big go ahead. I didn't.
>>65437842Not gay when yr underway.
>>65444430>>65444323>>65444321>we dont need like discipline and shit bruh like sheesh frI guarantee you're a shit soldier. Furthermore I guarantee you're constantly in trouble and think your leadership is always "out to get you" for no reason. Being physically present in combat (if it even happened) doesn't make you an authority on combat discipline.
If you're military and not already over the hill, ready to be put out to pasture, you should be attempting to purse as many badges and tabs as are beneficial to you.Obviously infantry benefits the most, but basically everyone gets kudos for being ranger qualified.
