So NATO just tested bumfucking Kaliningrad out of fucking nowhere.On August 18, NATO conducted large-scale air maneuvers near Russia’s Kaliningrad Oblast. Approximately 25 aircraft from various Alliance countries took part in the flights, which originated from Poland and the Baltic states.The AirNav Radar service identified the following aircraft in the air group: American C-40A Clipper and EA-37B Compass Call II aircraft, an E-3A Sentry long-range radar detection aircraft, Polish Gulfstream G550s, Airbus A330 MRTT refueling aircraft from the Multinational Fleet (MMF), a Lithuanian Let L-410UVP, and U.S. AH-64E Apache Guardian attack helicopters.Separate activity was recorded in the Skagerrak Strait between Norway and Denmark. There, a British P-8A Poseidon patrol aircraft, together with a German military aircraft, flew over a designated area for several hours.A distinctive feature of these maneuvers was the composition of the air group, which combined reconnaissance, command and control, electronic warfare, aerial refueling, and strike capabilities.Main functions of the aircraft:EA-37B Compass Call II — an electronic warfare aircraft designed to jam enemy communications and electronic systems;E-3A Sentry — a long-range radar detection and control aircraft that provides airspace surveillance and aviation coordination;A330 MRTT — aerial refueling aircraft that enable other aircraft to remain airborne longer;AH-64E Apache Guardian — attack helicopters;C-40A Clipper — transport aircraft;Gulfstream G550 — specialized aircraft capable of performing reconnaissance, surveillance, and command and control missions.Thus, this was not merely a matter of a large number of aircraft in the sky, but rather a comprehensive aviation operation involving various types of military equipment.The Alliance did not specify exactly which tasks were being practiced during the maneuvers.
I wouldn't worry about it, cumrade.
>>65436949Uhh, bearbros??I thought HATO fears the might of poccnr and won't do shit?
Belgrade 2.0 peace boogaloo soon
>>65437128I listed weapons in the OPThese also does not include a large number of fighting aircraft that was in the air.
>>65437128So why aren't you there instead of sitting here crying and seething in an on topic thread?
>>65436949It's genuinely fucking insane that the West ever let the ziggers keep Kaliningrad after the USSR fell. It should have been a mass deportation program with the land given to Poland and maybe partially Lithuania. That it ever was allowed to be a part of Russia is insane. Wish I could go back and tell ol Billy boy that Yeltsin is an incompetent freak retard, that Russians should be treated like the literal terminal cancer that they always have been, and that also Americans really don't give a shit about extramarital sex so long as you aren't a weeping pussy about it on national television.
>>65437128I'm gonna have intimate and passional intercourse with yo' momma
>>65437151Ziggers actually tried to sell it to the krauts in the 90's but they refused because it is a shithole full of ziggers. But if the war actually happens, I can see public accepting mass deportations out of Kaliningrad and Balts
>>65437168>deporations
>>65437168I wouldnt accept it in that state either. First deportations, then hand over the land. "Resettle" them, if that makes the women cry less.
>>65437168Germany was also broke as shit and trying to rebuild the east in the 90s, the east is still poorer today.
>>65437184I am half a bottle of porto deep, give me a break nigga
>>65437199no problem man, those russians will be more than bottle deep if they start shit>>65437198>>65437168and there's Poland (not a member of the European community bak then) blocking a land connectionthat would have meant opening up a whole other can of worms about post WWII border adjustments
>>65436949Why did you have chatgpt write most of your post?
>>65437232I copied it of twitter
>>65437151Russia turns every land they take into shitholes so I'm not sure why would anyone want it back
>>65436949>fuck about and kaliningrad finds outBased, but not enough dead russians :(
What's impressive is anyone who followed it happening in real time, it seemed like nothing until suddenly there were dozens of planes in the air conducting operations. Looked like a really complex surprise attack type of mission.If it was an actual attack, Kaliningrad would be out long before Russia even realized what's happening, but you know, we don't know how a ground part of this operation would look like.
>>65437451I'd wager that if Poles could gather enough equipment there without arousing suspicion, kaliningrad could be rushed quickly enough. Doubt that region also has much in the way of drones, so good old tank rushes should still be on the menu.Too bad all the poland memes aged like fine milk.
>>65437456We just don't do seiges anymore, but if you wanted to kaliningrad looks awful submissive and seigable. No food in or out, water could be cut off. The immediate deletion of everything important in a moment by this first strike could just be 0 hour. NATO could throw me a bone and just do it already but nooooo i gotta wait longer with these blue blue balls.
>>65437168>I can see public accepting mass deportations out of Kaliningrad and BaltsGod I wish but the women would bitch and moan endlessly and allow the 5th column to remain and become citizens of EU instead.Local russians are already playing victim card and things are back to status quo here with them acting like king assholes and landlords of whole country.t. Balt
>>65437473Just point the coastal Estonians at them and the problem will handle itself.
Oh shit, the Whitehouse is gonna FREAK!>>65437198Same setti with Russia trying to sell forest to Finland. (Realistically the West should have just bailed Russia out in '94)>>65437451The problem with Kaliningrad is both that it's been built into a fortress and it's a launch pad for attacks into the Baltic and Northern Germany. Including nuclear.So NATO has to destroy everything almost immediately before it turns into a Leningrad with missiles.
>>65437477>Oh shit, the Whitehouse is gonna FREAK!Americans took part
>>65437151Billy was a big softy. He would have scuffed at the very idea of breaking off a part of mighty puccia and done everything in its power to keep it together no matter the cost>>65437333by that logic all pidors have to do is steal a piece of clay by bum rushing it, claw in, kill/deport the locals, import some mystery meat from the urals (the Konigsberg model) and your type will go>oh we dont want that anymore, its full of ziggers!Rinse and repeat until everything is consumed by the muscovite cancer. They also like to infiltrate across the border as colonizers in peace time and form colonies inside host nation that will baaa-baa for pupa as soon as the tzar raises his eyebrow bullshit. The clay is still good and rotting ork huts can be bulldozed. Pidors must be pushed back towards the volga river valley where they belong
>>65437423I'm sure they'll accept your next janny position appeal
>>65436949well according to ukranian intelligence the gremlin in the Kremlin wants to fully occupy the baltic states by 2027. After the big cumnik roundup post 20 september fake elections I expect some major provocation this year. Like stealing some border town/area from one of the balts. If the response is weak (as expected), they will try to go for full invasion with intent of occupation next spring/summer Even if they throw most of the rumored drafted meat (about 500k) into the donbass killing fields, They can still spare 50-100k for some baltic provocation. Since they expect an easy win with US being knocked out until 2029
>>65437532>by that logic all pidors have to do is steal a piece of clay by bum rushing it, claw in, kill/deport the locals, import some mystery meat from the uralsThat's what they did to Caucasus, Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and central Asia
>>65437567>fully occupy the baltic states by 2027before 2022 I would I have said "that's just fear mongering, there's no way they would be that retarded"now I believe it. They would be retarded enough to start another front, against NATO, when they're in a stalemate in Ukraine.
>>65437597It would be unfathomably retarded, which means there's a very real chance it's being considered even as many bum-touching crests are revealed and the wildberries are being picked off their vines.
>>65437567>Even if they throw most of the rumored drafted meat (about 500kIf true, I'm expecting mass suicide/nervous breakdowns in the Russian financial sector. Russia's own male population 18-30 is below 10 million. simply removing 5%, of them from the workforce will be bad enough.. let alone equipping and feeding them(however poorly) for a net negative goal, it would be less damaging for Putin to simply announce the return of planned economy, and everyone only gets ration books for bare necessities
>>65437558who do you think made the thread
>>65437678Europe is rearming faster than anyone predicted and taking a much, much larger role in NATO. Do you actually think that they'll all just be cool with Russia blowing up some strategic sites? You retarded?Also, assuming you're not a zigger arguing in bad faith, the situation on the ground changed months ago. Russia's land gain has collapsed, and in some cases, reversed. Economic pressures continue to do real damage internally. It is absolutely a stalemate, not one either side wins, but when the dust settles, Ukraine will have the West to help invest and build, while Russia will have itself (lol), Norks (lol), and chinks (lol).
>>65437597It would be comically retarded especially since there is growing rumor that USA might store nukes in Lithuania, Finland and Poland. Coincidentally Finland dropped no-nooks law two months ago.
>>65437698Too obvious, pidor.
>>65437692>Do you actually think that they'll all just be cool with Russia blowing up some strategic sites? yes. Russia just blew up a munitions plant in Italy. their response?>ey mario do you a think russia blew up our a factory? do you think we should a do something?>no guiseppe, accidents a happen, its a fine
>>65437597I can see the logic, if you can call it that, of opening a second front in Europe for the sole reason of forcing Europe to stop financial and military aid to Ukraine, instead using it for their own defense. It's just retarded enough for russia to try it.
>>65437708Oh you're that zigger from last night
>>65437708>SAAAR WE DID THE NEEDFUL IT WAS US SAAAAROpportunisticly taking credit for random workshop accidents probably works on the shitbrown coalition of BRICStards, but not here. What, did mighty russia also blow up the chemical factory in LA too? Why not take credit for that as well?
>>65437698>there is no significant difference between what we gave ukraine and the best stuff we have>wepost hand and outlet
>>65437732Kek imagine the level of copium you have to type this shit. So what are you? Actual zigger? Indog? Favella monkey? Some shitbrown arap? A literal jeet? Fess up buddy
>>65437732This is some grade a copium lol
>>65437746>>65437753So what blew up this time?
>>65437776He's probably pissy about more explosions in russia along with kaliningrad being a button push from total destruction at any given time (and they can do nothing about it)
>>65437732>Russia is at the forefront of modern warfareShall I post the donkeys?
>>65437776i think he's busy coping and seething in the saarb f117 shootdown thread, so it give you a pretty good idea of the dysgenic fuck he is
What are the odds Russia nukes itself (either on accident or on purpose) before the war is over?
>>65437818Increasing daily, rip belgograd
>>65437678>NATO will say "it's okay, accidents happen from time to time, we understand" and leave it at thatDo it pussy. I desperately want to see the FA & FO
>>65437841In scale of 1 to 10 how high you are right now?
>>65437849Probably stone cold sober, but likely mentally ill
>>65437841>NATO doesn't have a mechanism for responding to small-scale shenanigansThe destruction of Russia and her allies seems like quite the response
>>65437678Still running that "the second army in the world will surely win once fifth columnists in Europe cut all aid!" cope huh?
>>65437732>Russia>forefront of modern warfare
>>65436949Did the US take part, or no?
>>65437168irc it was offered to lithuaniana but you'd have to be retarded to want more tiblas in your country
>>65437942They did>>65437969Russia post-1990 also offered parts of western Belarus and Ukraine to Poland. It was a ploy to create a permanent terrorism problem in these countries. That's also why i.e. Medvedev poses with a map of Ukraine split between Poland and Russia. It's a deal with the devil kind of thing.
>>65437977>But 4.5 years of warfare.but 4.5 years of warfare and tech transfer from Iran has allowed them to reach, and then set, the forefront of military tech. say what you will about shaheds / gerans but they are very versatile and effective
>>65437978Oh good! I'm glad we took part. I like when we're included in things.
>>65437983whatno, Russia wanted it to be, but nobody took bait
>>65437977They are not very good at it though.
>>65437987>forefront of military tech [...] shaheds / geransYou know its stolen 80s HATO tech right?
>>65437532as for funny story, building on right was never finished, windows were shaking too much due to the wind and when Putin came to visit Kaliningrad around around 2009? they painted it blue so it would camouflaged into the sky.
>>65437692>Do you actually think that they'll all just be cool with Russia blowing up some strategic sites?Depends how many of their dogs are in charge at the time. The immediate danger is a fracturing of the West that lets Russia cause a rift between Baltics and Western Europe and deepen the one between Europe and US, then spend the next ten years flooding the zone with more pointless bullshit and start taking bites out of isolated smaller players.For actual all out conflict to go in Russia's favor it would need a tremendously stupid scenario like the US going for Olympic gold in deep-throating and making a Molotov-Ribentropp pact for Greenland without everyone in DC above an intern getting 2A'd.
>>65437977>lancets actually workHoly shit, lmao
There's a lot of e8 poseidons up right now on the west coast too
>>65438213p8*
>>654377322022>Europe is far to weak and stupid to rearm 2026>Europe is far to weak and stupid to use all those arms they've been building2028>?
>>65436949It's for SIGINT, fly a bunch of planes to get the Russian air defense to react, identify and time the response. They've got the Compass Call to record the emissions, the Sentry to identify anything in the air. Skagerrak is just regular ASW / ASuW training.
>>65437597They'll definitely do it. Then their claims of fighting all of NATO will maybe come true.
>>65438487They built plenty of drones and artillery shells anonThe RU has at least two drones and one shell for every singke person in the Russian army, soon they will have two drones and one shell for every single person in Russia
>>65438695*the EU
>>65438050This building was demolished like a year or so ago.
>>65437732Are you that vatnik I keep seeing spam random threads?
>>65436949>So NATO just tested bumfucking Kaliningrad out of fucking nowhere.so what you expected russia to fire upon them or something?
>>65437710This. Monke sees it as has no other option than further escalation. It's absolutely stupid but he hasn't made a sound decision for the past five years so...
>>65438214>thousands of videos of it hitting / destroying a target>thousands of videoslolololololol
>>654379774.5 years of warfare have seen Russia fail abysmally at learning much of anything, and lanshits remain worthless garbage outside of zigger propaganda delusions. Meanwhile, western drones worked at a minimum an order of magnitude better than any russkie garbage right from the start, and have only rapidly improved since.Seethe more about it, vatnigger.>>65438214>muh thousands of videosFor every actually legit, non-faked, non-reused video of a russian drone hitting anythinbg, you can find several thousand videos of ukrainian and western drones doing the same, ziggie.
>>65438487These "mewling kittens" have more actual drone prodfuction capability than the entirety of this fake country sometimes known as the "Russian Federation", pidorovich.
>>65437678>it's more like a very long endgame that ends in Russian total collapse.FTFY. Daily reminder that the "current position" is showing a trajectory of Ukraine quite literally erasing the entire male population of Russia, before Ukraine runs out of either ground or manpower themselves.You will be mobilized, pidor, and you will bleed out in a ditch in the Donbas, dying for the sake of pushing aline of a map forward by about half a centimeter. If you're that lucky, anyway. Most of your kind aren't nowadays.
>>65438487>the tanks, artillery, etc that Europe has built require boots on the ground, aka future casualties, to work.so how do you cope about NATO air superiority and the assured fact that the russian airforce is completely incapable of handling it?
>>654376981. Stop talking to yourself.2. You mean 2023 when a small amoiunt of old leftover NATO equipment ended up slaughtering russkie garbage somewhere around 100:1? Again?Russia wouldn't last a week against NATO. They are already losing decisively against Ukraine plus some NATO pocket change. Cope, seethe rand dilate about it all you wnat, it won't change that objective fact.>what we gave ukraineYou're not one of "us", pidorovich. You're an asiatic mystery meat steppe barbarian with delusions of being part of the civilized world.
Ukraine is way more capable in war than any other nato country thougheverbeit.If poles tried a get go at Russia without ukranian support theyd get raped by fpvs, just like russia is getting but slower .
>>65437983>oh so the banderite scum problem is actually real and not something Russia made up?Anon is trying to say that Russia tried to make it real.Breaking off a piece of Ukraine to give to Poland would create a Bandera movement of revanchists. And Polish nationalists would respond because the clay was once Polish as well.So it's Russia saying >let's you and him fightBut Poland didn't take the bait.
>>65437567>poorly equipped and completely inexperienced cumnik biomass thrown into an invasion with the expectation of a quick and easy win. Since pidor command thinks nobody has agency other then the "slave masters">vs the ((in drone warfare) inexperienced and numerically smaller baltic domestic militaries built upon peace time reserve training. With some minor auxiliary capability from willing military allies (like air force elements) the results of this will be completely unpredictable. If balts hold then pidors find to their absolute surprise pikachu.jpg that they are now stuck on another stalemate on another front. When they can barely sustain Ukraine already If balts fail and get overrun then NATO is pretty much factually disbanded and Finland, Poland and Sweden start scrambling for nuclear proliferation. Since that is the only realistic security guarantee left in the turmoil kino times ahead
>>65439016>FTFY. Daily reminder that the "current position" is showing a trajectory of Ukraine quite literally erasing the entire male population of Russia, before Ukraine runs out of either ground or manpower themselves.Does anyone produce a map that shows the current rate of capture, cross-referenced with the rate of casualties and projected to show the captured territory as of the date when Russian manpower reaches the level that can be replaced by boys turning 18 each day.I suppose, as the manpower drops lower then the capture rate will change as well so there's a culmination point that could be determined.Once this math is done, we can adjust the line each week to show how changes in tactics are influencing the culmination line, with improved recruitment of foreign mercenaries pushing the line out a bit, new weapons or counters moving it back and forth, stuff like that.
>>65439044150k dead ukranians, 400k dead russian.400k casualties for ukranians 1.5 million for russia
>>65437567>Like stealing some border town/area from one of the balts.Lithuania has this peninsula stretching into Belarus, with a single road going in and out of it. Trivially easy to just walk across the border and put up road blocks on the neck. A positive thing with this salami slicing though is that it will backfire on the monkeperium. It will force inside the nato alliance to separate the do nothing dead weights from those actually committed to the alliance. Like north europe and near east europe who absolutely would want to keep the war contained inside the baltics so that it does not spread to their own borders
>>65439039That and if Balts hold pissed off participants like Estonia will actively start attacking pidor shadow fleets and regularly bombing uga-buga and primorsk with their own drones. With the black sea closed by ukranians Baltic sea is the muscovites main hub for exporting oil onto the world oceans. If Estonians and Finns close the bay or even Denmark starts fucking with them in the straight it only leaves the Pacific as their only exit route. Which has only a fraction of capacity that Uga-Buga or Novorossisk had
>>65439045That's 2.67 wounded:dead for Ukraine and 3.75 for RussiaNot even the most deluded vatnik claims russia has a better wounded:dead ratio
>>65439056Too obvious
>>65438050>>65438824it was supposed the be a """"modern"""" replacement for the destroyed Kings Castle of Konigsberg. Pic related is the castle position juxtaposed to the cube and the moldy plaza in front of it. The red bricks seen in that previous bricks are all that is left of the old castle But since it was so hideous even pidors quietly tore it down and there was some minor push to start partially restoring the old Kings Castle, at least the main hall and famous tower
>>65439096and to add insult to injury the castle actually survived the war. it was full of holes and one side of the tower was missing, but it was restorable. Instead pidors decided they didn't need some fascist nazi reminders in their glorious commie block future so they just blew it up with explosives. and now, over 80 years later, they still can't decide what to do with the empty lot left from it. Their newest idea was to just turn it into a big parking lot, which it is now
>>65438214>thousands of videos of it hitting / destroying a targetpost some webm of it happening then, zigger worm.Burden of proof is on (You), faggot.
>>65439103and this is what it looks like now with on the newest google images. You can see the remains of The Cube on the right/end rant
>>65439114Reminder the US sent unprecedented aid to make sure this happened and all of eastern europe was enslavedMakes my fucking blood boil
>>65439115organic D&C; very nice....... Let's see Tim Allen's shillpost.
>>65437198Germany certainly could have afforded a reasonable price if it wanted to, but getting millions of russian citizens was unthinkable and resettling them would have been extremely poor optics. If the offer was even made in earnest, which is doubtful too.
>>65439125>Maybe Germany and USSR shouldn't have started the warFTFY
>>65439125and losing the war gave the right to steal historic Prussia? The allies did not make such gross border redraws, only pidors started mass deporting and massively contracting old german borders while also pushing other undesirables, like poles, further west. So they can draw their imperial borders neatly from the tip of Prussia to the edge of Odessa through the Carpathians how is this supposed to be any different from the redrawings of borders the germans did during the war?
>>65439143There's really no proper framework to determine what kind of punishment genocidal wars of agression warrant.Albeit I fully support treating russia post-ukraine in the same way russia treated germany post-WW2. They honestly would have zero reason to complain.
>>65439125And looking back, the rest of the world should've allowed Adolf to eradicate the Union first and then do a mop-up on a tired and over-extended Germany
>65439143killing and deporting the original prusso-germans post war from Prussia was already a head scratcher move. They could have easily done the same what they did to other occupied nations and incorporated it as the Prussia SSR. To be exposed to increasing vatnikification down the line. Like what happened to the rest of the baltic states. There would be no "Kaliningrad" Question today if that happened, as there would be four baltic states that would have sought their reindependence after the empire imploded in 1991. Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Prussia
>>65439146when it comes to determining punishment for imperial wars of aggression, its especially pointless in the Germany-USSR dynamic. You know, given that they both were totalitarian dictatorships that started the war together gleefully with the Molotov-Ribbentrop not-alliance Main difference was just the same as it is today: geography. Germany happened to be physically close to the allies and thus was an existential threat, while USSR/Russia is too far away to be militarily a realistic, existential threat (boots on the ground)
>>65439056>No reason to believe how the same army filled with different meatbags would fare any better. Worse, if anything.Considering that the swedish army is completely combat incapable due to being a social project designed by inner city liberals, its a miracle they can even walk upright in the annual Stockholm butt fucking festival parade, where our armed forces march up front together with our prime minister, ministers and MPs. I have spoken to enlisted and officers, and they have really no clue about anything besides trekking in the forest and shooting their weapon. Comms? EW? ESM? Drones? Mesh network datalinks? Infrared camouflage? Long range precision guided muntions? Whats that? We dont do that in Sweden so it must be total shit because we are totally leet bro! They are literally at the level where the swedish army was in the late 1980s right before it was completely abolished after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991. The ukies were better equipped and trained in 2022 that they are in 2026 because the ukies did not spend 35 years frozen in time. Their idea of combat is based on combat ranges in 1980, they dont understand that f.ex mortars will be deep inside the enemy drone killzone yet they recently bought a tracked SP mortar system with a max range of 9 km using rocket assisted ammo (only 6 km with pure ballistics). That thing isnt going to live for more than a couple of missions then its dead. They dont understand that drones are ammo, they think they are non attritable assets. They arent buying any drones save some scout drones because they think that "the tech level moves so fast that anything we buy now will be obsolete soon and also our legacy arms industry doesnt make them". My conclusion is that these people are going to get themselves killed and blame someone else for not stopping them.
>>65439058>Lithuania has this peninsula stretching into Belarus, with a single road going in and out of it.Belarus isnt Russia just like Canada isnt America.
>>65439155in hindsight WW2 was half-assed for sure. But seems not even burgers fully comprehended how OP they were even back in the war and thus were hyper fixated on grinding down Germany no matter the cost. Cautious they might not get it done with the UK alone if germans lord of the entire Europe. Not helped by the commie-simps that infiltrated the highest offices of the institutions. That lasted well into the early cold war F.e. Reminder the brit commie simps gave a state of the art Rolls Royce jet engine to Stalin for nothing but a pinky promise. Pidors took that engine and immediately copied it building an airframe around it. Becoming the Mig-15 which went on to killing americans and other allies like australians in the korean war. This is the level of delusion we were dealing with in the 1940s and early 50s
>>65439193Belarus is filled with pidor military and factually an unofficial province of puccia. That they launched an invasion into north of Kyiv back in 2022. before retreating because they fucked it up
>>65439207Mig-15 was also the first and perhaps only time when pidors had an almost 1:1 comparable main combat airframe with the western equivalent. Its closest comparison was the Sabre and the k:d ratio in practical combat performance confirmed it
>>65439021>i am retarded and wrongyes we already knew that.
>>65439207For the Pinkos and the Progressivist Mid-Atlanticists, It's the classic naivety of brainy, materialist technocrats. It persists in mutated form today, and will always exist as an aspect of their personality archetype.The optimism that the commies just need an era of peace and comfort, order to mellow out and develop themselves. Then they'd become amenable, reasonable.Spare me the autistic screeching at their naivety. I know they're fools.But their religious, dogged pursuit of office and their courteous manners means they're always going to be infesting our State.
>>65439056>NATO trainedwrong, not to anywhere near the same standard>armedwrong, not to anywhere near the same standard>equippedwrong, not to anywhere near the same standard>organizedwrong, the ukranians are organized by themselves>commandedwrong, the ukranians are commanded by themselvesthis is some seriously cracked up delusional zigger retconning of reality, ukraine got help but they have never been anywhere near the level of training that new field members of a western army are.>taking horrifically lopsided lossesno, the russians are taking horrifically lopsided losses.>press gangingwrong, the russians are press ganging people into service>n-no you lostnah, russia is losing the attritional war, sorry zigger.you need serious therapy.
>>65439114Shevchenko Street
>>65439228SOVL
>>65439280>n-noooooonope, sorry zigger, most NATO standard soldiers get like 2 years of training before they're considered "ready".they are far more experienced than the average ukranian in literally everything but sitting in a trench 90% of the time.>c-copefensyiv>i-it's ma'am!i love how hard the word kyiv mindbroke you lot.>i-it's common knowledge that [zigger fanfiction]it's not knowledge at all, it's just wrong lol.>N-NOOOOOOO WE'RE NOT PRESSGANGING PEOPLE>P-PLEASE LOOK AT THIS ARREST OF A COLLABORATOR BY MILITARY POLICE>P-PLEASE LOOK AT THIS AI VIDEO>P-PLEASE LOOK AT THIS STAGED VIDEO WE MADElol, seething.zigger, i'm sorry russia is losing, but you gotta get over it some day, jewtin is never paying you anything for your service.
>>65439281>superior to the average NATO standardwrong lol.
>>65437168WET DREAMS, BETTER WATCH OUT AND NOT GET DEPORTED INTO MASS GRAVE NIGGER
Uh oh, is the ziggy having a widdle meltie again? Come on, lets see if we can speedrun to the part where you start posting memes of vatniks being chainsawed because you got buckbroken too hard
>>65439287>nope, sorry zigger, most NATO standard soldiers get like 2 years of training before they're considered "ready".Thats the most outrageous bullshit I have read in this thread.
>>65439311>n-noi accept your concession.
>>65439311not just basic, but all the advanced training for specific roles that take months to years that russians and ukranians basically never get.the average NATO soldier is significantly better at all sorts of things that literally never get trained period in ukraine because they just don't have the fucking time for it.russia would get annihalated if they tried to take on even just european NATO and the narrative that ukraine is le stronger because they've been in a war and that gave them XP points is retarded, that's not actually how war works, combat experience will teach you things, it will also not teach you a bunch of other things and make you stuck in your ways on some things that you actually learned wrong.the main takeaway that western armies should learn from experienced ukranian troops (that are already doing the rounds in every NATO army and teaching them btw) is concealment and dispersal, which was already highly stressed in most western armies but likely now will be even moreso.
>>65437841uh-huh, and what did russia do when NATO shot their plane down in turkey?seems to me that russians don't have the political willpower to square up against NATO and just lets their planes get shot down with no consequences.
>>65439039I think balts would be able to hold if they get air support from Swedes and Finns. They've had their conscription laws reactivated and going for some while now along with increased military budget.Sure it's peanuts compared to any serious bigger country but it still should be enough to stop mobik waves even if they're supported by drones and mech units.
>>65439661>conscription laws reactivateduh?conscription been a thing since independence EXACTLY 35 years ago
>>65439667Oh my bad, I only heard that Latvia restarted them some while after the SMO chimpout began.Also I forgot to mention that while Scandi air force would be huge help for balts, there is also the elephant in room with poles which hopefully would start their own meme warfare somewhere along the border too.
>>65439039>If balts fail and get overrun then NATO is pretty much factually disbandedMaybe poots is retarded, misinformed, and desperate enough to try (although the question of "literally with what army?" remains to be answered) but I really don't see any way that would actually work. Even if you assume the big hitters in the west completely cuck out everyone in and near the baltics is going to go "lol no, I've seen this act before and I can guess who's next" and jump in to start slapping russians back over the border and if they can't get past ukraine I'm not sure how they plan to surmount even the poorer nato states.
>>65439717ziggers have retconned ukraine as this super-dreadnought that's more powerful than all of europe so that they don't feel as cucked after humiliating themselves in this war, the only thing that matters is whether or not putin has bought into this lie as well.
Muscovy is the most pathetic "country" in the fucking world. What a shit hole
>>65439667its different per state. Estonia has kept it consistently up. Latvia gave up on it completely and at one point the latvian defense forces consisted of a single battalion of mostly pidors meant for foreign adventures in the sandbox. Lithuanians have been going back and forth on the issue, but they at least took territorial defense always seriously. All thee of them are a shadow of what their domestic capability was pre-WW2, when the decision making retards of the time just surrendered without a fight. The defeatist inferiority complex born from that has shadowed all three of them since regaining independenceF.e. Estonia was both economically more developed and militarily more capable then Finland was pre WW2. It also had more experience in living memory as they fought a successful war against invading lenin/trotsky niggers post WW1 while finns were stuck in their civil war. They even ran drills together to use sea mines and coastal batteries to shut down the Finnish bay for pidors baltic fleet based out of leningrad (pidorsburg). These days finns boast about their defensive prep and having near a million men in reserve, while Estonia could barely get 100k under arms in war time>>65439717big hitters in the region are mostly finland and poland. Both of them have military capacity built up for territorial defense. Not power projection with expeditionary elements. They will bulk and bunker up for sure, but counter invasions into the baltic countries to free them? not likely. Everything boils down to the three little states that could. They have to break the first invasion push and only then will serious assistance come. But as a previous post mentioned, any push by pidors will be mostly done by inexperienced retards with barely two weeks of training. As what is left of their experienced formations are locked up in Ukraine. The terrain also favors the defenders. So the chances are surprisingly equal even if the balts are inexperienced in drone warfare.
>>65439816>counter invasions into the baltic countries to free them?It seems like you're assuming that russia will just walk in there and dig in but I don't see them getting that far. Any hypothetical invasion is not going to be a surprise and after last time I don't think they're going to hope it's a bluff and they can all just talk it out and be friends, there are going to be a lot of weapons pointed at that border.
>>65436949Brow status?
>>65439850They'll also run into NATO rapid response that's been scaling up over time and it'd be a huge tripwire to walk across whether they engage it directly or get blasted first.
>>65439123It's Paul Allen
>>65439858Raised>>65439873Dial 8, russtranny. I take that back, russtranny paints you as a white passing humanoid (russians are neither white nor human). Dial 8, dalitranny
>>65439873trying again for a janny spot zigga?
>>65439816>Lithuanians have been going back and forth on the issue, but they at least took territorial defense always seriously.We have a draft every year since the occupation of Crimea back in 2014, it's been ongoing for 12 years without any interruptions. We currently have a large push towards mechanization - orders for ~ 900 patria apc's, 50 leopards, 100 cv90's, along an existing fleet of boxer ifvs and other armored transportation. Airforce is generally a meme, but we're creating an branch Ukrainian long range strike uav's.Basically we have a strong push to create a western mechanized force but we're completely ignoring investing in fortifications and short range drone warfare. This job falls down to our paramilitary force, which is by some accounts larger and sometimes even better equipped on a soldier level than the regular forcesAlso there's the german 45 panzerbrigade stationed on a permanent basis, but its half operational right now
>>65439940Dial F for Faggot
>>65439940>seething for 2 daysAre you that one zigzog that admitted to railing speed to shill longer?
>>65439877Thanks, looks like I was thinking Home Improvement.HURRGH?!
>>65439123>Tim Allen>today on Shill Time, we talk about resetting routers. Now this is especially importa->uh tim, people just use VPNs now>*confused grunt*
Tim Allen is a known Banderite
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8s9SSt3YsXE
>>65439155>And looking back, the rest of the world should've allowed Adolf to eradicate the Union first and then do a mop-up on a tired and over-extended GermanyGermany didn't break the pact until they had to and the USSR wasn't clearly going to lose, there's every chance that they'd just do what Ukraine is doing now, retreat slowly in a scorched earth style while bleeding the attacker dry.Russia could have gradually fallen back to the Urals and broke Germany when it took a step too far and its supply lines got a league too long. Then, after destruction in detail of the advancing German army, pull out the real army from behind the Urals, not a meme in this example, and clean up the relatively harmless garrisons that would be just guarding supply lines and shit and not heavy assault companies and not dug in to citadels etc. And if they were, they could just besiege them and "island hop" past them while leaving a garrison to maintain the siege.I think USSR would have won without the allies, just at much higher cost and more ruined cities between Ukraine and the Urals.
>>65439940yes hello sir this is /pol/ we have a thread waiting for you, please come back you are on the wrong board
>>65440282The USSR's entire logistics network was centered on Moscow, they would not have been a credible threat after it fell. Your premise is false
>>65437498Kreml-on-Potomac probably had no clue about this exercise.
>>65440214Please goto /pol/ with your politics. This is not the board for that
How is gas situation, zigger?
>>65438213>>65438216Man I’d be nervous if I was in the Baltic fleet right about now>>65439039>vs the ((in drone warfare) inexperienced To be fair the Balts are building and exporting their own FPV drones now, I think all three Balt countries have their own in house drone programs
>>65440214>this constant spamming of the exact same catchphrases reeks of the kind of retarded autism that deserved bullying regardless of political affiliation.you've been obsessively spamming about trump for weeks, nobody cares nigger.
>>65440298>The USSR's entire logistics network was centered on Moscow, they would not have been a credible threat after it fell.Didn't they actually abandon Moscow when it was under siege?I'm not well versed in the Eastern Front so I admit to some ignorance. My impression was that falling back to the Urals was literally Stalin's plan if Moscow fell and that Moscow had actually been evacuated once its suburbs were under attack and returned once it was secured.
>>65440214Your post is so incoherent that I genuinely can't tell if I agree or disagree with you.Anyway, it sure sounds like something you should take up on /pol/. We're interested in military exercises with attached nuance. And because we're almost all westerners, we also like dunking on Russia a little when we can, because fuck Russia.
>>65440175Heigh ho neighbor, have you ever pondered the lobster whistling atop the mountain?
>>65440282They were practically spent by the time they got to Moscow
>>65440214>>65440304kill yourself already
>>65440486>They were practically spent by the time they got to MoscowI'm not talking about what happened, I'm talking about what the soviets planned for.
>>65437333>after beforerope
>>65436949>The Alliance did not specify exactly which tasks were being practiced during the maneuvers.Probablybl just refueling. .
>>65436949ohnonono pootin bros this can't be happening I thought nato is dead
>>65437658hoping for economic break down as a final blow to pozzia is not supported by historical practice>hitlers germany>stalins USSR>Maos china>pol pots Cambodia>saddams Iraq>kim jong fats north koreaAll of them continued limping along no matter how broke, insane or blood thirsty they got. An entrenched tyrant willing to shed blood has nearly infinite pain tolerance and can basically slaughter or starve to death their entire domestic population if they have to. Pol pot got the closest in just four years. All they really are concerned about is keeping the inner circle in line and only force shown to consistently destroy these tyrants is outside military invasion
>>65441660and such assets would not fly so close to the border in a real war scenario. its a warning sent to pidors in occupied prussia>"I see you"
...it wasn't just an "excercise", was it?You don't send a Compass Call for an exercise.
>>65441770So what was it?
>>65441787You tell me.Either some "fuck around and find out" show of force, or Russia was legit up to something and their op was intercepted and stopped by NATO forces, without the populace even knowing about it.
>>65441762Does 1917 not count? I think that's what people expect when they say economic breakdown, soemthing that triggers the kind of internal upheaval which dissolves the Russian army's cohesion. No idea if that's happening anytime soon, such upheavals are hard to predict the timing of before the fact.
>>65439207>Reminder the brit commie simps gave a state of the art Rolls Royce jet engine to Stalin for nothing but a pinky promise.To be fair to them, they were pretty much bankrupt at the end of the war.
>>65441770>You don't send a Compass Call for an exercise.Why not? How else do they train and gather experience?
>>65441830No. It was a monumental error that cost them money by requiring massive extra defence spending. This failure should be brought up any time a lefty says anything about loosening defence export controls or softening relations with a hostile authoritarian nation.
>>65441770You send a Compass Call on an exercise to get an electronic order of battle for defences the exercise will provoke.
>>65442003>n-nafo trannieslol seething.
>>65441803>Does 1917 not count? not really in the context. The core for 1917 was the czar fell because he was perceived weak and had no appetite to start shooting anybody standing in their way. The one feeble attempt in Pidorsburg was followed with immediate regret. Same thing happened later with Gorbachev who could have ordered the machine gunners to shoot anybody standing on the Berlin wall, or balts standing in the baltic chain later, but chose not to. Monke certainly has zero problems with that as his personality is aligned with the rest of the hard liner tyrants mentioned. No humanity, empathy, morals and equates fear with respect
>>65441787a warning. No matter how weak the political escalation managers and fifth columnists are, nato intelligence knows exactly the fuckery they are up to
