>The elimination of a futuristic drone battalion is part of a broader “back-to-basics” approach ordered up by Gen. Christopher LaNeve, the acting chief of staff of the Army who is closely aligned with Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth. >The battalion was a signature initiative of LaNeve’s predecessor, Gen. Randy George, whom Hegseth ousted in AprilDronefags in shambles: https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/new-drone-unit-to-be-phased-out-as-hegseths-army-pick-makes-his-mark-ff5f5fc8?
I thought hegseth was a dronefag?
>>65441325You didn't think it, you heard it
>>65441325He's an alcoholic, so his decisions are day to to day depending on how hungover he is from the night before.
>>65441325That's probably WHY it's being cut, as everything with his name attached to it is currently poison.
>>65441340the maduro party was actually cool and redpilled, shame what jews forced him to make in iran with threats of exposing him raping boys
>>65441325>hegsethHe has homosexual sex with mossad agents, and pays for it!
For what purpose? Even if you don't use them as FPV suicide munitions, you're still saying you think additional battlefield awareness is a bad idea.
>>65441325>I assumed man I don't like was thing I don't likenope, he's one of yours
>>65441415>For what purpose?You have a guy who unironically follows the WARRIOR ETHOS leading the DoD. The most powerful and sophisticated military on the planet. He's just retarded.
>>65441324>fox news host is retarded
>>65441422I hate this shit. The Future Warrior era generals were retards and guys on the take, but they at least were forward looking. Fucking hell. I almost want Trump to force a ground invasion in Iran so it goes back to early Iraq and people start becoming hysterical over dead soldiers, a bunch of people get fired/replaced, and the Army is forced to quickly pivot like it did last time. I don't want US soldiers to die, but unironically the only thing that makes the Army less retarded is when that happens and it's plastered all over the news for a few months.
>>65441427He did one tour, have some respect.
>>65441429I don't think a ground invasion isn't going to change much in terms of public perception at this point. They're already calling serviceman faggots for not wanting to putting up with obscenely awful living conditions so I doubt a few dead soldiers is going to convince many. No, we're just going to have to simply weather this one out and hope better people get put in charge in 2028.
>>65441429It's just authoritarian shit where they care about aesthetics more than functionality.>enlisted must be roided out meatheads>but a nerd with a steamdeck is more effective>don't care, no nerds allowed
>>65441434>No, we're just going to have to simply weather this one out and hope better people get put in charge in 2028.
>>65441439>treating betting apps as pollsThis is always funny to me, I'll explain why for the slow kids.Is it limited to only American voters?Is it limited a $1 bet per person?If you and me are the only 2 people to place bets, I put down $1 and you put down $100 what are the odds despite the opinion being 50/50?
>>65441324BORN TO DIEEMPIRE IS A FUCKKill 'Em All 2026I am trash man410,757,864,530 DEAD WARFIGHTERS
>>65441324I'm waiting for them to realize the massive potential savings in uniforms.
>>65441440How the data is gathered is not intuitively indicative of its effectiveness, midwit.
>>65441439Man, you're retarded. What is going to happen is that they're going to have open primaries, Newsom is going to clear house during those, then he'll clear during the general. He's functionally a Bush era Neocon. Newsom is just being quiet at the moment because it doesn't benefit him to open his mouth during the midterms, all that does is potentially create enemies.
>>65441446>sometimes bad data collection chances upon the correct prediction No shit, don't make it more accurate than good data collection.
>>65441447>Wants better leadership>Names Newsom>Admits Newsom is a bush era neoconI mean I guess the term better is relative.
>>65441447I think the Dem primaries could come down to who is willing to criticize Israel which would wipe out of lot of corpo shills like Newson.Of course they could just steal it like they did with Burnie or not bother at all like they did with Harris.>>65441454While he is a giant piece of shit I think he would do better than putting a podcaster in charge of the FBI.
>>65441454Exactly. Think about the rest of the possibilities that should be considered as serious candidates. He's the only guy who will make things "go back to normal" and can capture the mythical centrist vote by being white Obama. That's genuinely all people want at this point. Vance is not that guy. None of the women are either. No one else the GOP has floated is either. Vance is only talked about because the VP. Fucking Rubio would be "the guy" if he was VP instead of Vance. They're just throwing the only name that makes sense in their world at the wall and going with it.
>>65441456That could be his heel, but if the Israel stuff tampers down by the time the primaries occur he probably won't need to even talk about it. He's also been slightly critical in the most "safe" way possible that won't make the Jews angry at him. Then again, he's also willing to literally say anything, so for all we know they might just let him turn into Hitler for a while if it means that he just pivots after securing the nomination. Obama did the same shit.
>>65441456My boomer, dem father literally told me that he misses Dick Cheney the other day when we were fishing. These guys just want competency (or the air of it) again.
>>65441456>I think he would do better than putting a podcaster in charge of the FBISee >>65441446 regarding intuitive observations vs real effects.Every one of you is mad, furious even, over the obvious, irreversible, significant damage from the current administration.What is being left behind is the prospect that America voted right in ever election since Reagan, and that when an alternative to trump with half an ounce of upside was presented (Byron), America jumped boat - until they were yet again presented a groomed ghoul of a humiliation ritual called Kamala.If there are people who know what they're doing, they're doing things that have led you to present time. Whether you vote for them is your decision.
>>65441324The drones' buzzing would distract the infantry from their orderly advance.
>>65441415I don't want to give them the benefit of the doubt, but this seems to be an existing Airborne infantry battalion assigned to experiment with drone tactics and not an actual "new unit raised for that express purpose. I don't really see anything particularly unusual about reassigning it back to its original function once the experiment is deemed to be concluded.
>>65441440>maybe the betting company's entire business model does depend on collecting accurate data, but in the scenario that's real in my mind the data isn't accurate
>>65441465>Dick Cheney>guy that started Afghanistan>competencyThe bar is under the ground.>>65441466True, 2 party is designed so corporate interests only need to buy a couple of key people to retain power.The only difference is post Reagan the left and right agreed on 95% of economic policy and actually disagreed to the left and right as expected.Now you have Trump acting like the furthers right guy ever while partially nationalizing Intel, MP Materials while calling corpo dems that would never commies.>>65441474>betting companies care about the outcome and don't adjust the odds constantly so no matter the outcome they profitI saw this coming when they first started pushing "wisdom of the crowd" and "prediction market" bullshit, some people are stupid enough to think the majority of people win their bet and the company gives away money.
>>65441480Competently evil.
>>65441480>GoofusCreate a device that generates massive payments to get insiders to leak information.>GallantMake insiders leak military information by making them argue about video games.
>>65441490>giving the public access to live odds so they can see massive bets possibly made by insidersThis is just how betting works.t. guy loved doing concreting work for a horse trainer because he told me which horses had been run slow to drop them into a division they would easily win
>>65441429>but they at least were forward lookingjust because on paper something sounds good and futuristic doesn't mean it's actually worth a shit (Nig Sour M7 formerly XM7 formerly formerly XM5)
Why are they so obsessed with muh warrior ethos? They're soldiers, not warriors.
>>65441575Lots of people think the XM programs are for adoption, they aren't. Procurement is a perishable skill for everyone from the requirement setters to the manufacturers and drill instructors. XM programs will keep happening with no intent to adopt anything because they are pretty cheap for the amount of perishable skills they preserve.See modern naval destroyer procurement for the end result of not maintaining these skills.
>>65441324At this point why dont the US just embed companies/battalions into Ukrainian army and learn it the proper way instead of using billions on concepts and useless trainings?
>>65441581They have been doing that just like everyone else, you create a unit in your own military so the observers from Ukraine can train others and you can start building institutional knowledge instead of hoping one guy doesn't quit.
>>65441579Same reason as Nazi Germany was obsessed with Muslims (specifically Jihad) and Pagan Valhalla. They believed if you could combine the idea of Jihad and Valhalla together you could create a warrior ethos that would be invincible. You'd create a guy that would happily die for his country because when he dies he goes to a land of pleasure and battle for eternity.USA has fallen down the hole that many dictatorships do which is about outwards appearance. So big roided muscle guys = my guys are stronger than you. My guys can do flips and jumps, so they're better trained than you. My guys can have metal bars smashed on their abs and they can break wood with their heads, so they're tougher than you.Reminder the F-35 was picked over the Boeing option because the F-35 'looked more futuristic'. Visually it looked 'cooler' so that is why it was picked. You see it on /k/ all the time, people think a visually nice looking vehicle is 'best' even though its actual performance is worse than an 'ugly' vehicle. Because it looks good so it MUST be good. That's all that's happening here, except it has progressed towards soldiers. It isn't COOL to have a guy on a Steam Deck flying drones, it isn't MANLY, so get rid of it.
>>65441583But why isnt it working? Everytime they do exercised with the Ukrainians they get BTFO
>>65441586>send 5 guys to Ukraine>they learn drone tactics >you do an exercise with Ukraine>you have 5 guys that know how to drone>they have hundreds>you create a unit so you can train hundreds>retards kill it>the five guys quit / die>you have no one that understands drone tacticsIs that clear enough or should I avoid words over 5 letters?
>>65441447Amazing, every sentence was as delusional as the last. Newsom is the very height of wine aunt liberalism, he went quiet because his media team went full tilt for about 6 months, and everyone realized he's actually retarded. You gotta watch more than breadtubers for information anon, its not healthy
>>65441324Dronefags btfo>>65441435Nerds don't win wars.That's a fact.He's doing the right thing.
>>65441439Vance is thulean
>>65441585Logistics is gay and WOKE! Warrior ethos coming SOON to America.
>>65441447>He's functionally a Bush era NeoconTAKR ME BACK
The worst part of all this is that soon you won't be able to say "I don't think we should give puberty blockers to children" without people saying "oh so you agree with Pete Hegseth?"
>>65441324The US military was always at the forefront of next generation combat. It knows what's worth investing in and what's a dud.While the Soviets were investing into airborne troops and AFVs or putting all their money into next generation MBTs the US did the opposite. It developed next generation technologies that demolished everything the Soviets had come up with.This is the same story again. The smart people in the pentagon know that drones are a fad and dead end development. The next American war will not be fought like Russia fights it war in Ukraine. Investing any time and money into drones that could go into actual war winning technologies & doctrines would just hurt the US military.Unfortunately a lot of people think that wars fought by under developed nations are a sign of things to come and fail to understand that there are smarter people out there with more data and foresight than twitter generals. Trying to take lessons from Ukraine and applying them to the US would as nonsensical as applying lessons of the Iran-Iraq war to Operation Desert Storm.
>>65441597How many millenia since egypt won a war?
>>65441606I prefer the much funnier "some people need gender affirming hormone treatment", "oh so you agree with Pete Hegseth?"
>>65441606They say that now, anon. Most of the hilldawgs in this thread unironically think you HAVE to have fatties and other assorted freaks to fill your logistics and specialist roles, or your "macho 3rd world izzat tier" of a military. Ukraine found this out the hardway too.Turns out the 19 year old chuddie whos never touched a pcb board in his life makes a better repair man than the autismo whos done it their whole life, but has a meltie when arbitrarily triggered
>>65441618a 45 year old librul on Facebook might find this post hilarious
>>65441617That's Algeria and the last war they won was the Algerian civil war 1992 - 2002.>>65441606Why is it that any political position these days has to come packaged with mentally deranged schizos?I don't mean this as only a thing on the right. The left is also full of utter freaks.
>>65441469Huh, feels like these types of drones are something that would be better served attached to artillery units, as that's where the bulk of the utility has been in the war.
>>65441668That's kind of what I'm saying. The infantry battalion was available and so they were assigned to evaluate drone tactics. After the current series of exercises, the evaluation is deemed finished and the unit returns to its regular duties while reports filter upwards and the higher ups at the Pentagon decide how best to proceed forward. Until more details are provided, it really does seem like some sort of false outrage.
>>65441324>read the headline>cant be right>see wsj>goes on searching>turns out they are focusing on anti drone tech first instead>mfw when once more wsj never reports the whole thing
>>65441440>Is it limited to only American voters?>Is it limited a $1 bet per person?wtf is this even trying to "explain"? are you asking how polymarket works?the idea that prediction markets can be more accurate than polls isn't even controversial. the issue with them is the perverse incentives they create
>>65441422Watch him issue all the 11b kids a sword lol.
>>65441699Ngl when I found out NCOs dont get out sword for free, I was pretty disappointed
>>65441325Other companies bribed him more to cut the program
>>65441325he and many other in the current administration love the aesthetics of war but not everything else related to war itself, like effectiveness, bureaucracy, logisticsdrones simply don't look cool, but ac-10s are very coolmaybe we'll get back to plate armor and cavalry charges, that'd be neat
>>65441422He's the guy we need to get recruitment numbers back up. Any day now. You'll see
>>65441721>>65441699This would ironically be kino. Like the Japanese in WW2.
>>65441740I thought they already went up after Trump took office.>>65441737>don't look coolRude.
>>65441415>developing a program that cuts the cost of killing enemy combatants by 80%No. Just print more money
>>65441754Mostly due to the economy and the military being an actually good, secure job and the potential to get a free college education. It’s really not due to patriotism but just a downturn in the economy, which is unironically the best time to recruit.
>>65441631>Why is it that any political position these days has to come packaged with mentally deranged schizos?algorithmic radicalization, online echo chambers, and general anti-intellectualism degenerating politics into mindless tribalism
>>65441758Only poor countries care about money.The US can do whatever it wants.In fact golden bullets should be a thing. Just to rub in to all the poors.
>>65441324>the US was using drones long before anyone else>including killer drones like the switchblade>Ukraine war going on since 2022>effectiveness of drones proven by 2023 certainly by 2024>somehow the US only had a single drone unitI call bullshit on that.The US was using drones for decades before the war. No way there was only a single drone unit in the entire army. Was this some kind of PR unit created by Biden to placate idiots going on about how the US has no drones while in reality every single infantry squad has had drones for years now?This reeks of bullshit and half truths. Like whatever job that unit had is already being done by others so that's why it's getting dissolved.
>>65441737yes the US miritary is compretery humirrirated
>>65441790going into baseless speculation here, but perhaps this is (at least in part) due to information overload>peoples' time/attention is increasingly taken up by media>media presents a functionally infinite amount of information; in short form sources like twitter and tiktok, this is often extremely fragmented>the only way to keep up with all this information is to quickly reduce everything down to a single boolean value of "good" or "bad" with no room for nuance
>>65441422>WARRIOR ETHOSAlways makes me laugh.
>>65441825>that space force dudelel
>>65441325you haven't paid attention thenHegseth's role was being a drunk host on FOX - that's all of his qualifications
>>65441804The problem with the word "drone" is it's like the word "aircraft", it's so broad it means a lot of different things to a lot of different people.The "first drone unit" is specifically the first FPV drone unit and not the guys that were flying the OQ-2A Radioplane in 1935.
>>65441825He's not wrong and your pic proves it.Look at them.Old, tired, confused, balding, wrinkly and bored. Fuck that one guy to the right looks like a tall Bilbo Baggins.There's no fire, no vigor, no drive in these men. It's about time the military got rejuvenated by younger more fiery commanders. The lack of any ethos became apparent this war with niggas jumping off into the sea because the food on the Abraham Lincoln sucked. Their grandparents fought on Guadalcanal with no food and dirty rotting cloths on their backs and these guys try killing themselves over some bad beans.
>>65441804>The U.S. Army plans to phase out a drone unit that was studying and incorporating lessons from foreign wars, including the use of uncrewed systems in the Russia-Ukraine war, an Army official confirmed to The Hill on Thursday. >The infantry battalion, known as the Unmanned Assault Battalion, will participate at the Joint Multinational Readiness Center this month and next month in Germany. After the exercises, the battalion will “refocus on its core warfighting tasks as an airborne infantry battalion assigned to a Mobile Brigade Combat Team (Airborne),” the official said. >The unit is part of the 173rd Airborne Brigade, a quick-reaction light infantry brigade team stationed in Vicenza, Italy. And from another article> The Army is ending an experiment with a dedicated drone battalion less than a year after tasking the infantry unit to test how such a formation could operate, an Army official said on Thursday.It was never meant to be a permanent assignment.
>>65441912>airborne infantry battalionFucking kek, they literally turned their FPV program into VDV.
>>65441914Holy fucking shit, learn to read. It was originally an airborne infantry battalion that was later tasked to evaluate drone tactics. That experiment has now ended, and they're back to their actual job as an airborne infantry battalion.
>>65441631>the last war they won was the Algerian civilEvery country wins their civil war.Loses it too usually, though there's a grey area on secession wars.
>>65441918My way is funnier.
>>65441918Sure, but how does that help me rage against le kegsbreath?
>>65441912wow almost as if every article posted on /k/ ever since Jan. 2025 is just some circlejerk about muh kegsbreath
>>65441440People are literally putting their money on the line so they make as accurate predictions as they absolutely can.
>>65441926>>65441933Le Kegsbreath probably didn't even any clue the unit even existed in the first place. This article is pure fanfiction from the WSJ and the only link to Hegseth at all is that the new Acting Army Chief of Staff he's supposedly chummy with issued a new strategic roadmap at around the same time and the unit was "championed" by the previous guy he didn't like. This is especially bad as far as articles go.
>>65441324Ok, so at what point does malice become a more plausible conclusion than incompetence?
>>65441440Because they were in famously far more objective and closer to the reality of the 2024 American election. Every “real” poll had Kamala winning like 330 votes lol.
>>65441857More like grizzled, experienced and disgusted by the display of incompetence and rank cluelessness in front of them.>no fire, no vigor, no driveHard to have any of those when an alcoholic retard is preaching retarded bullshit at you.Also>muh fieryFiery is for an O-3 commanding a company-scale engagement. Fiery in an O-6 gets people killed because someone didn't have the patience to do their logistics right.>muh lack of ethosYou're welcome to volunteer to serve on the Lincoln any time, internet tough guy. (And btw, that whole damn situation is exactly because SOME RETARD fucked up the logistical planning for this war. Turns out that you do in fact need a contingency for the possibility of enemy action interfering with your supply lines. Like the ones out of 5th Fleet HQ, which is currently cut off from the fleet because it's on the wrong side of the Strait of Hormuz.)
>>65441947My money is on corruption, plenty of defence contractors do not want the US to fall in love with $1000 PGMs.
>>65441324To anyone who comes across a thread like this in the future, the vast majority of anons who wrote something in this thread have no read the article.This means that every anon here is simply trying to push their own opinion or belief without actually understanding the meaning behind the OP article.In other words, this is almost certainly just a shill thread, even if originally not meant to be.
>>65441422He's a former desk job guardsman who acts like he's served at Thermopylae, Constantinople, and Normandy. By the end of his term the Army will probably have penis length requirements.
>>65441586i imagine the wargames are limited in scope and prevent the US from just bombing everything
>>65441965Personally, I love how the shills are continuing to shill even after the shill narrative was thoroughly debunked. Almost like they're bots or something.
>>65441918So... They go from obsolete, to 'maybe you can fly drones now', back to obsolete. That makes it even worse.
>>65441465>dem father literally told me that he misses Dick Cheney the other day when we were fishingConsidering he was not competent, Afghanistan, is it more that the system is just dying?
>>65441589>>you create a unit so you can train hundreds>you integrate those hundreds back into normal units>they train normal units and proliferate drones throughout the military rather than having just one specialized unit it was a temp thing, what was intended is complete integration of drones
>>65441597Looks like something out of a gay porn flick
>>65442092Conservative machismo and homosexuality are two sides of the same coin.
>>65442090What you describe would be the smart thing to do, it wouldn't be "resume normal duties".
>>65442105Is that North African country conservative? No idea about their politics, especially in that moment of the video.
>>65442146All African countries are about as conservative as Russia.
>>65442109That would be the smart thing to do if you already finalized the type of drone units you want to establish, the type of drones you're equipping them with and the overall doctrine to employ them as part of a larger assortment of forces. Deploying a random assortment of drones in an ad hoc manner makes sense when you're in an emergency situation and drones are the only battlefield asset you can deploy outside of light infantry, not when you're actually trying to integrate it optimally into a combined arms force. Even the Ukrainians admit that drone success in the field is often less spectacular than the montages lead you to believe and the current method of employment is suboptimal but good enough against drunk mobiks.
>>65441965especially this guy >>65441965, he's trying to shill WSJ by having you hit their paywall
>>65441586>war games are meant to be won like my sportsball!!I can already tell theres about a dozen other concepts you need to be exposed to before trying your hand at organizational restructuring and the purpose of war games
>>65442155I would attach them as teams to platoons as a "just in case" until procurement is unfucked, worst case they can use whatever you can get fast in an emergancy.Hell just give them FJI clones right now for the price of a tank track link and every platoon has intergrated recon today.
>>65442181We're not exactly in a hot war with boots on the ground at the moment, and it's fairly obvious that this isn't the only drone tactics experimentation initiative the army has going on.
>>65442190I know, I just think getting the platoon and section leaders use to using intergrated recon today is worth the ~$10k it would cost per platoon.
>>65441324>“back-to-basics”
>>65442196I don't disagree, but if it's really not as straightforward when drone operators broadcast a highly detectable signal and your enemy actually has a competent air force with a reasonably quick kill chain to hunt down the operator. I don't think it needs to be said that the alternative of fiber optic drones aren't ideal for anything other than one way trips.There are many lessons to be learned from Ukraine, but that war also has a bunch of idiosyncracies that don't hold against other opponents.
>>65442208I'm sure the army will end up with some gold plated comms solution be it laser comm links or some other nerd witchcraft.I just think the cost to start practising drone combat today is too cheap to ignore especially seeing the US spends most of it's time fighting thirdies that don't have radios let alone complex EW.
>>65442200why is the snoozer snoozing on the battlefield? Doesn't he know it's dangerous?>grabs dronenvm he's not snoozing, he's just retarded.>lemme grab an unexploded grenade rigged with a homemade contact fuse with my hands and violently toss it around lolololwhat the fuck is wrong with these people
>>65442229That's exactly what we're doing with these experimental units and exercises against Ukrainian drone teams though? I'm just not convinced that what we're seeing right now in Ukraine is transferable 1:1 anywhere else and it makes sense to properly evaluate both drone tactics and possible counters before proceeding with large scale organizational and doctrinal reform.I do get where you're coming from but flying drones and directing combat like an RTS through a drone flying overhead isn't particularly difficult and can likely be drilled in just a couple of weeks if necessary. Deconfliction protocols and other issues you need to deal with when you have large numbers of platoon level drones in the air, that's something you need time to figure out correctly and not just yoloing it like Ukrainians have very much admitted to doing.
>>65442264>I'm just not convinced that what we're seeing right now in Ukraine is transferable 1:1 anywhere elseI agree, the front wouldn't be static enough from drones to be as effective as they are if either side had air supremacy.Honestly I think my main concern is we tend to occupy and that's where an unconventional force with the budget of a high school basketball team could cause problems we currently have no way to deal with.At least with platoon level recon rolled out you can start playing hide and seek which is going to take a long time to master.
>>65441947>headline reader
>drones are being incorporated at the company level so a special battalion isn't neededThe first couple responses are a good reminder why leftists keep self owning and can't admit it less they countersignal their tribe.
>>65442276>Honestly I think my main concern is we tend to occupy and that's where an unconventional force with the budget of a high school basketball team could cause problems we currently have no way to deal with.Currently being the keyword. Counter UAS systems might become potent, practical and inexpensive enough that it eventually makes drones a non-issue, or at least less of an issue. Again, that's why proper evaluation is necessary because it's not like Russia is putting in any real effort to finding proper solutions beyond smekalka and meat waves.
>>65442303I think the Ukie ramming quads are a decent rushed wartime counter that will improve with time.As for long term I can't see FPV drones going away, they are just so cheap you can send literally hundreds at a high value target.
>all these anons seething about Hegseth also fell for low effort clickbaitironic
>>65442303>Counter UAS systems might become potent, practical and inexpensive enough that it eventually makes drones a non-issue, or at least less of an issue.I remain firmly convinced that the drone spam of the war in Ukraine is a passing moment a la the trench warfare of WWI. Drones are going to continue being the weapons of choice for insurgents/terrorists/etc. and will certainly have a place in combined arms warfare but there really isn't much you can do to harden a DJI against a HEL and if you're investing in survivability measures like LO characteristics, speed, armor, etc. then you're investing in bigger and more expensive drones and are pretty rapidly looping back around to "why not just use a missile" territory.
>>65442321They're not going away but they might end up getting more expensive to successfully run a gauntlet of more developed counter UAS systems that might eventually include essentially "free" directed energy solutions. Currently Ukraine can't just send out hundreds of basic bitch FPV drones simultaneously just like that either, or they'll be having a much easier time. On the contrary they're slowly moving to more expensive systems with automatic guidance, longer range and other fancy stuff that starts to slowly blur the distinction between drone and missile.
>>65441415Drones are obviously low test soiboi weapons, real warriors charge using bayonets
>>65442153What does that even mean? There are so many different ways to interpret that.
>>65442374They are building more medium range drones while also sending more short range quads at once.You are limited to ~8 drones per analog frequency but there are a lot of viable frequencies if you are willing to make custom antennas and swap out occilators.Recently they hit a tank 28 times in the span of a few minutes.
>>65442374A cruise missile full of AI targetted suicide drones trained to target pilot uniforms sent against an airfield, entire class of pilots wiped out in a few minutes. Give it stealth coating and guidance system good enough to hug the ground real close and you can do some serious damage to the less replacable parts of the war machine.
>>65442397Beyond collateral damage and possibly cost, why not just flatten the entire airbase with Tomahawks like we've been doing all this time?
>WSJThem and the NYTimes have been doing anything and everything in their power to shit on the Trump admin since he sued them in 2016. Taking anything that comes out their mouths with a giant grain of salt.
>>65442364pretty much, as soon as the big counters to cheap drones that have already been in the works for some time come out en-masse the only actual reaction is>add all this shit to drone that makes it not cheap and easy to produce anymoreand by that point you've lost the effect of mass-spam that these things have.you can't give an FPV drone a 500 dollar pricetag when it needs to be able to survive or at least avoid microwave guns that cook the internals and anything plastic, lasers that just outright bore through their tiny lightweight frames with pure energy, shrapnel from dedicated anti-small-drone autocannons with AI tracking capabilities, other, smaller cheaper and faster interceptor drones that don't have to make a 40 km journey to their target, dedicated anti-drone rounds that can be shoved into any NATO standard rifle and spat out in 30 bullet magazine intervals and then on top of that carry a big fuckoff spool of wire that will be a requirement because non-fibreoptic drones are already starting to get heavily fucked by current let alone future EW capabilities.droneniggers don't yet seem to have internalized that when you have something really slow, cheap and shitty, that it doesn't need a giant SM-2 to destroy and that the range of options that can reliably take down a swarm of FPV's is also going to be very wide and very cheap.
>>65441324based, we need that money for the testosterone injections, sisters!https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn0nlx18rz0o
>>65441597theres no heterosexual explanation for this
>>65441965you know what? you are right, im gonna read the article instead of posting more of my shitty opinions, brb
>>65442441nvm, you have to pay to read it
>>65442426since i actually read the article, let me TL;DR>US military wants to give US military servicemen (keyword 'men') screenings to make sure they're healthy>a couple gun grabbers say "Duhh this is just culture war nonsense">turns out everything online is ragebait nonsense
>>65442393By that time you're going to light up like a Christmas tree and become priority target #1 for any free air asset in the area. Being able to launch hundreds of short ranged FPVs from static positions unmolested is a Ukraine specific thing and not applicable anywhere else.
>>65442409Why send a sniper to take out a general if you could drop a nuke on the city he's in? Beyond the fact that you generally want to minimise damage to avoid escalation you could also train them on officers, mobiks get to live, their leadership doesn't and can't be replaced. I'm sure there are thousands of targets which you would want to destroy without collateral damage.
>>65442480In the near future it'll be image recongition AI being sent to hunt in an geofenced area (cheap INS is good enough).
>>65442485I mean, we don't send snipers to take out generals anymore, we just send a Reaper to dome them with a Hellfire Shuriken Edition if collateral damage is an issue and a pile of JDAMs if it isn't.
>>65442491>image recognition AIYou know, it wouldn't fool a human operator but I wonder how those mobik tents would hold up to AI. Or heck, cardboard boxes MGS style.
>>65442510We'll see some funny shit for sure and a heap of computer scientists will be looking at footage of a mobik with a mailbox on his head wondering how they train it for that.
>>65442480>Ukraine specific thingThe non-Ukraine version is launching dozens from a truck, anon. Simple guide rails for a stack of 5 FPVs in a box and 8 boxes on a roof, or tubes for 40-50 Switchblade types. Instead of a LOS ATGM team with 5 shots on a easy to suppress jeep, they'll have a robot taxi with a human in the loop hiding 10km away.
>>65442531There are half a dozen US startups, several efforts in the the official US military branches, and other developed countries doing the same: France, Turkey, Israel, Germany, China, South Korea...The future is a few human drone commanders and SF hiding in basements or IFVs while robot FPV carriers and robot HIMARS do 95% of the killing.
>>65442540>US corps of engineers FPV swarm for breaching
>>65442546>old RDECOM powerpoint
>>65441474Polymarket takes a flat percentage of “trades”. They are outcome agnostic when it comes to revenue. This is the principle business model difference between them and a sports book.
>>65442549>GDLS switchblades x50
>>65442561>Chinese system 1
>>65442571>Chinese system 2
>>65442573
>>65442579>French pickups with launch boxes of quadcopters in the backSo as you can see, it's not a new idea any more. The military bureaucracies of the world have accepted it and begun to adopt it.
>>65441324Not surprising, this is the fucking moron whose reaction to drone combat was to order more BAYONET training. We are literally training our military to use spears against aircraft and precision munitions.
>>65442531>>65442540>>65442546>>65442549>>65442561>>65442571>>65442579>>65442584i can see that they will form a niche role in other militaries, yes.nobody said that drones were getting rejected outright anon, but they will not have the same dominance they have in ukraine for many different reasons.
>>65442602You're recycling the mitrailleuse cope anon. "Nobody said that machine guns were getting outright rejected, but they won't have the same dominance they did in Africa...we'll put a few in our exercises to be safe and advanced, but they will never dominate real wars...yes they dominated one field exercise when we let them, but exercises are meant to be lost sometimes..." and so on.
>>65441434Camel Toe Harris
>>65441324All discussion of politics and current events goes on /pol/. >>>/pol/
>>65442540And the killing is just destroying other drones
>>65442510>You know, it wouldn't fool a human operator but I wonder how those mobik tents would hold up to AI. Or heck, cardboard boxes MGS style.I was going to post this idea to that stupid AI tank thread that was pruned.Dinner plates or cardboard boxes would probably confuse them.
>>65441615>The US military was always at the forefront of next generation combat.It was at the forefront of next generation colonial policing. Not at the forefront of next generation peer combat. The War On Terra meant that the USAF and USN air reduced the US army and the USMC to haji wranglers because the current american meta is that the air force(s) advance and the infantry occupies. Theres no need for armor or artillery and whatever against a bunch of durkadurkas with ak-47s and no datalinks. If the air forces fail to take total air supremacy and the infantry has to advance into the enemys own fire zones, well, a lot of people are up shit creek because nobody has spent a thought about that in the last 30 years. It was simply unthinkable. So I predict a repeat of Task Force Smith but with a modern angle. And if you think this is harsh criticism, you should know that colonial police US army and USMC looks like absolute Waffen SS elite veterans compared to just about every euro army, which are little more than armed mobs of civilian men and women doing some kind of army cosplay.
>>65442208>I don't disagree, but if it's really not as straightforward when drone operators broadcast a highly detectable signalIt depends on the antenna setup you use and much more. You obviously have no clue.
Should Hegseth be FIRED already?! All he seems to do is fuck up like a Russian cosplayer. He’s like American Shiogu.
>>65441688Figured it out yet?
The EU is ideologically opposed to America. None of our soldiers should be there
These retards literally drink the pre-2022 russian cope memes as koolaid?!
>>65443067He’s doing a good job Iran is defeated, Venezuela is defeated, Iceland defeated He has more wins then any defense secretary in history
Poe's law, you can't tell if these anons didn't read the article or are shills.
>>65442364the situational awareness the easily available birds eye view it gives to everyone involved in the operation chains alone is a revolution. Flying IEDs will become situational as hard kill counter measures catch up, but artillery or mortar precision alone is going through the roof without needing a fire controller in the front lines making corrections with visual guidance
>>65443229That’s a cowardly way to fight. A warrior fights head on face to face
>>65442387The biggest homosexual-supporting organization on the planet is the Russian Armed Forces.
Fake news they aren't abandoning drones they just are gonna be smart about it instead of creating some drone force I bet. I didn't read the story but I know it's not being reported accurately.
>>65441429Pretty much. Look at all the fucking effort given to extract that downed F-15 pilot. Did it make sense to sacrifice several aircraft aka hundreds of millions of dollars to get a pilot out? On paper no. But in practice the PR Iran would have if they captured anyone and paraded them through the streets 24/7 would be a PR loss for Trump, who was hoping for a flawless ultra super war with 105% obliteration of all irgc assets that are obliteratable. He only did this thinking it would make him look good so anything at all that makes the admin look like incompetent tards such as captured pilots or dead soldiers bogged down not achieving objectives is denied like the Lincoln situation was. He runs shit like any shitty dictator wannabe strongman and has Hegseth also moonlighting as our Baghdad Bob. But if there is clear footage of troops getting FPV’ed over and over he will not be able to bullshit his way out of that that everything is super ultra perfect and obliteration status is not to be challenged.
>>65441430>He did one tour, have some respect.Bruh, why throw under arm. Its so easy to knock out the park and makes you look a fool.
>>65443355>Did it make sense to sacrifice several aircraft aka hundreds of millions of dollars to get a pilot out?yes it did. A combat pilot especially is by far the most expensive part of the system. Both in cost of training as well as hours of experience. The airframes are merely expendable machines
FYI>Army is ending the experimental unit >while continuing a much larger push to put drones throughout the force. The experiment worked, they are now implementing it. Sorry to disrupt your spazzout over the present admin. Also, RE: Hegseth hate. I'm sorry you got bulled by Hegseth phenotypes in HS, but its time to move on.
>>65441940Unfortunately that sounds like typical new CEO of a company bullshit. Something the last CEO was doing? Kill it because even if it is successful it'll have that last guy's name attached and that can't do.
>>65443405see >>65443374
>>65443415Proofs and/or source. While I'd love to dunk on the WSJ for being a biased circle jerk, but anyone with braincells can tell that the only time Hegseth isnt sucking Trump's cock or licking his boots is when he opens his mouth to say cringy shit only a teenager could think of.
>>65443373Pilots are expensive, but not a billion dollars expensive.However, I'm not willing to attribute the choice to spend a billion dollars or so on saving one pilot on Trump alone. The USAF has a long standing history of being pretty willing to go out of its way to save its people when they go down. This just happened to be an extremely public example of that.That said, I'm sure that the political angle was a factor in the heads of the brass that approved the rescue operation.
>>65443312Where a winner fights in any way that leaves the other guy dead and him alive. The age of warriors is ending, friend.
>>65443426>Proofs and/or sourceLiterally the fucking article. >but anyone with braincells can tell that the only time Hegseth isnt sucking Trump's cock or licking his boots is when he opens his mouth to say cringy shit only a teenager could think of.Again, I'm sorry a Hegseth phenotype bullied you in HS. But HS is over, its time to move on. The past doesn't define you, the present does.
>>65443426Why don't you ask the WSJ what their sources are? Their entire article amounts to "experiment ended at the roughly the same time as the new army acting chief of staff's new strategic roadmap was released, so obviously the 2 events are related" which is peak stupidity. Neither the acting chief of staff nor Hegseth even said anything about this unit and the strategic roadmap obviously says nothing about getting rid of drone units.
>>65443781>The age of warriors is ending, friend.No, its not. Holy fuck I am so tired of people interpreting a bumfight in eastern europe as being THE FUTURE of warfare. Its an indicator of future trends, but its not definitive. Just look at the war with Iran, drones have been a factor of the conflict but they have not been the strategic enabler that they have been in Ukraine. Why? Well (1) Pic related, and (2) if you cant make them you cant use them.
>>65441454The only reason I don't want Newscum is because he hasn't pledged to prosecute every member of the admin and adjacent allies.
>read the article?>think about what is actually happening?>naaah its time for another kegseth 2 minutes of h8 on my favorite politics subreddit :)>did you hear how Trump and Kegseth have titally dismantled the American empire for the 80th time this week :O>scandalous!>look it says right here in the big bold title of this wallstreet journal article!!!>details?>weapons discussion?>uuuuh no sweatie we don't do that here and frankly it gives me the ick thinking about it>oh em gee! Better tell you who I'm voting for in the midterms and why!Niggers
>>65443810Why are you even here?
>>65443815Patriot
>>65441857>Look at the military equivalent of doctors with multiple specialties and disciplines>Wonder why they look like educated men instead of roided out fratboysGee, anon.
>>65443473It's very simple. Would you be more or less willing to fly combat missions over Iran if your government has shown that they would stop at nothing to bring you back if you get shot down? It's really not some 200 IQ 4D chess political move, anon.
>>65443816Because contrary to popular belief, I don't have to base my entire personality around one hobby or one thing, especially when the current admin is corrupt as fuck. Sorry, bro, but I'll suffer under a dem as long as we can get back to normal and not his clown shitshow.
>>65443827This HAS to be bait. Post guns.
>>65443473>muh billion dollarsIt was an operation as part of an ongoing war. I fucking hate Hegseth and this admin, but you have to be a mouth breathing retard chugging pure propaganda to frame the pilot rescue like that.
>>65443872During that entire period you had a bunch of yuros on xitter trying to claim that it was a waste of resources and the US should just have waited to negotiate a prisoner exchange. Yes, people like that unironically exist.
>>65441682but nu/k/ is retarded, just like nu/pol/. and apparently have absolute meltdowns because they can't join the army in a dress. and think newsom is right wing. the mind fucking boggles.
>>65442485>Beyond the fact that you generally want to minimise damage to avoid escalation>killing all your pilots totally not escalation bro ai suicide drones cruise missilesjust shut the fuck up already you retarded fucking child
>>65443886Literally just bots and retards dick-riding the pres claiming that the other side hated rescuing pilots.
You don't hate journalists enough
>>65443914Yes, it's all fake. That's why we're seeing the exact same bullshit being repeated here months later. Retard.
>>65443229what in the fuck am I watchingis this drone operator porn?
>>65443922I didn't see anyone say it wasn't the right thing to do or that they should have abandoned the guy, but merely wondering what the motivation would have been, ignorant to the tradition of the US military to not leave a man behind.
>>65443932>65443113You literally had people saying that spending that much money to rescue the guy was wasteful and one of them famously said that waiting for prisoner exchanges wasn't "cucked" when everyone started dogpiling on him.Either way it already takes a high level of mental retardation not to understand the motivation for rescuing a pilot downed in a country that would obviously use said pilot for maximum political leverage.
>>65443940>You literally had people saying that spending that much money to rescue the guy was wastefulI'm sure some irrelevant twitter-addict said that, but mostly just bots and Indians. >Either way it already takes a high level of mental retardation not to understand the motivation for rescuing a pilot downedLiterally nobody ITT expressed anything different. You're just illiterate, which is a symptom of the times, young Zoomer cuck.
>>65443944>Literally nobody ITT expressed anything different.Except that one guy who brought this completely unrelated topic into the thread in the first place and brought up the issue of cost twice, of course .
>>65443951>Except that one guy who brought this completely unrelated topic into the thread in the first place and brought up the issue of cost twiceLike, I said, you're illiterate. >Pilots are expensive, but not a billion dollars expensive.Sounds like he said it isn't worth the cost, but that is not what the rest of his post says, as the benefits of rescuing a pilot are non-monetary in nature. Do you understand why your peers think you're stupid, anon? It's because you are, and you can't read, nigga.
>>65443963> He only did this thinking it would make him look good so anything at all that makes the admin look like incompetent tards such as captured pilots or dead soldiers bogged down not achieving objectives is denied like the Lincoln situation was. He runs shit like any shitty dictator wannabe strongman and has Hegseth also moonlighting as our Baghdad BobI'm referring to this post right here nigger, not the one you're pointing at.
>>65441324>>65441965people used to post a screenshot of the article page in the past to prevent these things
>>65443229are you really not gonna post some source?
>>65444035You realize that post does not say that it was wrong to rescue the pilot at all, correct? You understand that this is why I called you illiterate?
>>65444075You realize no one was saying that anyone was claiming that it was wrong to rescue the pilot "at all", correct? Why are you making shit up that can be easily verified?
>>65441324>Footage of a Houthi drone dropping a munition on a Saudi M1A2S Abrams MBT near Marib, causing the tank to suffer an ammunition explosion.https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/2090801951445303443
>>65443904Clitty leakage
>>65441324Amerimutts are going to be slaughtered against China
>>65441324https://apnews.com/article/stars-stripes-pentagon-censorship-media-d42affb0c17fef31c6089645c8dbbe70?
>>65444251Yes yes the chinese military terrified of using any force anywhere because it would expose their equipment and training as being inferior to even their third world neighbors. Truly the numbah wan supapowah (maybe they will control south china sea by 2050, probably not tho)
>>65443887>and think newsom is right wingnu/k/ isn't nearly as invested in US political divides as old /k/.You'll have your own ideas on why which this might not be the board for but even burgers on /k/ are probably more nuanced than to think that every dem is Lenin.Most Dem presidential candidates are centre-right who pay lip-service to some soft-left talking points, the actual left-wingers are suppressed by the DNC.
>>65444227MBTs are so fucking useless now, it's embarrassing
>>65443355>But if there is clear footage of troops getting FPV’ed over and overBruh, they'll force Faceberg and Jewtube to censor it lmao. Just like the Covid shit.
>>65441344>forced himThere is nothing Repubibucks won't do for Israel, free of charge. Why blackmail when you can just buy them and own them.
>>65444285>he was dismissed for insubordination after an interview he gave that objected to potential censorship by the U.S. militaryYou couldn't make this shit up, it's China tier.
>>65444445>It operates from inside the Department of Defense, but is editorially separate from it, and its First Amendment protection is safeguarded by the United States Congress, to whom an independent ombudsman, who serves the readers' interests, regularly reports.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stars_and_Stripes_(newspaper)It seems a little problematic.
>>65443100well the russian cope was right about the bayraktar type male drones, they really rekt those once air defense was actually up. they didnt even think about small fpvs at all.
With the proven tech of fiber optic drones it really does make sense that infantry platoon or company drone teams might carry FO kinetic drones just to avoid the EM signature. They still might use RF drones for training and recon, but the lack of EM emissions and jamming resistance is too large an advantage to ignore.The only EM emission from a FO drone is the electric motors propelling the drone.
>>65444401Absolutely no one is falling for this.
>>65443827ok nogunz yuro retard
>>65444401>centre-right>centreEuropean poser GTFO
>>65443312>No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making some other poor dumb bastard die for his country.
>>65441439There’s no way Vance beats Rubio
>>65444712Range, payload and cost are significantly worse for fiber optic drones, so even in Ukraine they prefer radio control unless they know the target is covered by jammers.
>>65441422>sophisticated
>>65444676>they really rekt those once air defense was actually upBut before that happened they decimated so much ruslim shit that they've paid for themselves multiple orders of magnitude. That's like saying "Javalines no longer work because russians made self-propelled garden sheds", like duh, but before that happened thousands of tanks got destroyed.
>>65441344>Forced him They probably genuinely thought they could just murk the Ayatollah and the whole Islamic regime would collapse easily and they'd snag a cool quick propaganda triumph
>>65441439>Not a single WASP in the Presidential race >Country going to shitButcher Bill vindicated every day
>>65445239Yeah too bad the regime used the turmoil earlier to kill 30000 of the opposition. There is no longer opposition.
>>65441597The Giga Nigga in Chief doing that flex always fucking gets me
>>65441606I wonder if this is how Brussilov felt when he sided with the Bolsheviks in the Russian Civil War, despite being an anti-Communist privately, because he just couldn't handle the Whites' self destructive retardation anymore.
>>65444986>EuropeanTbf Centre is also the Canadian spelling, isn't it?
>>65441422>You have a guy who unironically follows the WARRIOR ETHOS leading the DoDI'm curious, do people in the military think this is as retarded as we do or are they gung ho gi joe types who lap this up? I've never served but the Hegseth stuff gives me "tactical sunglasses guntuber sponsor" vibes rather than anything functional armed forces.
>>65445305I never served, but I'll take a wild guess here and say that there's probably a huge culture gap between the enlisted rank and file versus service academy career officers who study/train at places like the Naval War College, USACGSC, etc... That's not to say the eggheads aren't right wing nationalist types themselves, but they probably develop a much more sober (lol) personality than Hegseth by virtue of building professional rapport with Allied nations' forces, having to study the boring nitty gritty shit, having experience in management rather than just fighting etc...
>>65445264>repeating made up lies
>>65445480well the iranian government admitted to killing around 3000 of its own people which probably means they killed ten times as many.
>>65445490they killed 30,000 yet didnt get around to killing CIA stooges that had enough free time livestream to commit seppuku in their own house
>>65441324Are niggers ok this website for real? It was 600 guys supposedly absorbing data from Ukraine while in Germany.This has nothing to do with the integration of drones in the armed forces
>>65441429Based reb. Glad you got out of Lebanon safely.
>>65441456Based effeminate subhuman.
>>65445541>Are niggers ok this website for real?Most of this thread is composed of a mix of human shills and bot shills with a minority of headline-only readers who are happy to repeat whatever slogan is catchy enough.
>>65445264>>65445490They have had to continue this; reports are hard to come by because of the total internet blackout the government has imposed, but there are ongoing lethal crackdowns. The country is realistically in dire straits and on the brink of famine, so it makes sense.>>65445314This really isn't true in my experience, though it also depends a bit on MOS and unit. Career soldiers, be they enlisted or commissioned, tend to have lives and families that temper their gung-ho attitude. Hegseth is just a fucking tard trying to cover up an extremely politically motivated effort to replace all general officers with spineless cucks loyal to him and vance.>t. green to gold (enlisted to officer)>>65445133Definitely not. Hell even in fox news comment sections (fanatically loyal tards) everyone wants Rubio over Vance. The question is whether Rubio will run. There are a variety of strategic reasons why he might not want to run in 2028, mostly revolving around using Vance as a sacrificial pawn to ensure Rubio wins in 2032. A Vance loss would also, combined with this year's coming midterm disaster, root out a lot of MAGA loyalist incompetents in the GOP.The only reason Rubio might run is because AOC is somehow shaping up to be the favored Dem candidate, and she will get demolished by any remotely competent moderate Republican. Rubio in particular would annihilate her.
>>65445560>t. green to gold (enlisted to officer)Nice going. How hard is that these days?
>>65441743One of my friends bayoneted a guy.
>>65443827This has the same energy as those "I'm a vet and in favor of gun control" ads.
>>65443914A hilarious attempt to gaslight.
>>65444163>You realize no one was saying that anyone was claiming that it was wrong to rescue the pilot "at all", correct?Is this your post?:>>65443951Like I said, anon, you're both really stupid and illiterate. I don't blame the education system for you. Obviously you must have some kind of mental retardation from birth. My condolences.
>>65445560>everyone wants Rubio over Vance>everyonelol, lmao even
>>65441848Ironically the ultimate DEI along with a drunk street shitter running the FBI and a hand-picked vice president whose married to street shitters.
>still malding after finding out he fell for clickbait
>>65443925>>65444057its Belle Delphines ass prancing around some very english looking fields. Someone spliced drone UI footage over it as the readings on it make no sense compared to what is happening on screen
>>65445569Dunno. It's been a few years and Hegseth's Army is a different Army. I just hope he gets sacked soon before he can do more damage, but I've been saying that for over a year at this point. >>65446038I just meant in the comments, on articles comparing the two. Polling has indicated GOP voters overall prefer Vance, but to some extent that's just because being the VP makes him more visible. But Rubio also has the support of GOP donors and politically active GOP members. A few weeks ago in a straw poll at the Western Conservative Summit, Rubio polled +36 among attendees. This is for good reason. Rubio has a very good track record under his belt at this point and has essentially been cleaning up the messes of other clowns in the administration. In this Iran debacle, Rubio opted to let Vance take credit (and responsibility) for negotiating with Iran directly, while Rubio worked with Lebanon and Israel - I think it's pretty obvious which is going better.The other thing is that he's hawkish as fuck. I'm obviously biased given my line of work, but I'd like to think the GOP as a whole is still hawkish and non-isolationist. The solution to global turmoil is more bombing, not less of it, and limpwristed isolationcucks don't understand that.>>65441429Agreed btw. Yeah we'd take casualties but this would be a 2003-tier rapefest. But it won't happen because the admin is too concerned about optics.
>>65441325nah, just a fag
>>65446165>I just hope he gets sacked soon before he can do more damageoh no he damaged it so much with the whole record recruitment thing and focusing on standards and such. the horror. I cant wait for the Adults in the Room(TM) to be back in charge.
>>65445560>A Vance loss would also, combined with this year's coming midterm disaster, root out a lot of MAGA loyalist incompetents in the GOP.1. Weapons? 2. Bait.
>>65446165>before he can do more damageList your grievances. I've been happy with most of the changes so far.
>>65445133>There’s no way Vance beats RubioTrump was a dumber and more criminal candidate than Vance and still won.
>>65446386Vance fucked a chair and married an Indian, and the chair and wife are both more charismatic and likeable than him.
>>65446401Its was HER turn, right?
>>65446401>Vance fucked a chair and married an Indian, and the chair and wife are both more charismatic and likeable than him.That gives him maga cred frankly
>>65446075What other choice does he have?
>>65446415Weapons?
>>65446418An unAmerican post. The link between chairs as weapons and maga voters is as obvious as apple pie and cherry trees.
>>65443355This. Also Trump is not Putin, he lacks the cultural acceptance of high casualties and mental displacement of seeing servicemembers being turned into a fine mist from an FPV drone. Russians dissociate themselves from the war in ways Americans simply cannot. The fact is nobody in the US is going to accept foreign wars anymore, and nothing less than a mainland invasion of the US would be seen as a just thing to fight over at this point.
>>65446401>>65446415dems aren't beating the accusations
