>1966+60>still the best SMG on the marketHow did they do it?
>>65442070by continuing to make a good smg after the weapon class became obsolete
Ballin
>>65442070they made a decent gun.
>>65442106They seem to be coming back with a vengeance on the civilian market as people realize they don't actually need a 10" barrel 5.56 SBR for the vast majority of self-defense circumstances.>also ammo prices (I would assume, not like I check. What are guns, again?)
idk why they're just fun man.
>>65442070P-90 is better though
>>65442551PDWs aren’t SMGs doofus
>>65442070>shit ergonomics, especially with the reload, where it is advised to lock the bolt back before inserting the mag, like it's a WW2 era SMG>shit drum rotary iron sights, where they had the brilliant idea of giving you a tiny ass diopter for a 9mm SMG>no modularity by default, the proprietary rail for optics mounting is dogshit>all for the very affordable price of >$1300The name H&K got some of you faggots on a leash
>>65442558Name 5 better sub machine guns
>>65442564He can't because there isn't
>>65442555checkedthe distinction between smg and pdw is meaningless.
>>65442588So this is a submachine gun to you?
>>65442598>100% irrelevant picture paired with an idiotic question that doesn't relate to anything.take your meds or shoot yourself, whatever.
>>65442605How is it irrelevant? I posted a picture of a PDW. >compact>designed for rear line units and vehicle crews who don’t have the space/need for a rifle>chambered in a cartridge designed to counter body armor
>>65442564Jackie chanJackie chanJackie chanJackie chanAndJackie chan
Why even bother with a 9mm? Why not just a SBR in 556 or better a bullpup? Same size profile more functionality
>>65442623Based Chin is a killing machine! Wipe out all 1.2 billion red communists!
>>65442622by that logic a 10.5 inch psa ar-15 is a PDW. Which also makes it a submachinegun. I don't make the rules.
>>65442645>>65442622Fellas, none of these terms have officially agreed upon definitions. It's just marketing and zogbot speak combined with a little pedantic action
>>65442628less concussive, which has niche applications. Generally speaking a sbr 556 is superior.
>>65442652This. Only mig-15's argue about what gun is best.
>>65442892>using Mig-15 in place of Faggot on a site that allows you to say faggotHi Vintage Warfare
>>65442576It’s been over two hours and he still hasn’t
>>65442558>caring about railshitcringe post desu
>>65442598Its a carbine. The PDW label was only retroactively applied to it because, as others have pointed out, its a bullshit term.
>>65442628No 556 rifle has an equal to a mp5k as far as size and usability. For covert use and for smaller/weaker shooters it has its place otherwise short barrel 556 have taken over everything and is superior. Granted you really need to suppress a short barrel 556 gun where the 9mm doesnt need it.
>>65442684>Less concussive I feel like this got way overlooked when everyone started shilling short 223's. Might be retard machismo or just nogunz who don't shoot, let alone in enclosed areas, but I notice a significant increase in fatigue shooting even a 16" ar compared to an m1 carbine or 9mm pcc's/handguns. I've taken a few novice shooters out and it's very obvious that concussion makes everything harder.>SupressorCongrats you have taken your shortened rifle, with less ballistic performance and made it as long and heavy as a regular rifle again and it's still not hearing safe because subsonic 223 is 32 acp tier.>300 / 8.6 blackoutHeavier, bulkier and more expensive than 9mm or 45 for roughly the same energy when subsonic.Pcc's and PDW's are the thinking mans choice. If you are >150 yards from whomever you are shooting at, where the ballistic limitations of pistol calibers start showing, then leave. You aren't a troop taking an objective, you should be trying to get yourself and your loved ones away from the danger and 9mm suppressive fire is plenty for that.Of course if they have plates or even kevlar you can just go the other way and put on earpro, embrace the concussion in exchange for over matching them at close range and aim for the head/neck/dick rocking a Shockwave/Aftershock. They are more concealable than AR pistols and Buckshot will pretty much decapitate at close range, while being less likely to over penetrate if you have loved ones around. Just have to train a little different with them.
>>65443088Anon, the suppressor is there to reduce or eliminate that concussive blast on a .223 rifle. Supersonic cracks still sting the ears but thats small potatoes in comparison to the unsuppressed muzzle blast.
>>65442106Great for cops.
>>65442501most people don't need to spend $3000 dollars on a 9mm pdw
>>65443549But they will, and that's what's ultimately important. There are plenty of popular, cheaper models as well.
>>65443666ok satan likes pdws or smgs or copds or whatever the fuck they're called now
>>65443549More like 1500 and worth every penny >>65443669The devil knows their own
>>65442628For a home defense weapon, 9mm is objectively superior to a 5.56 SBR in almost every situation. Less overpenetration. Less hearing damage. Less muzzle flash blinding you at night.Unless you expect a home invasion from dudes in body armor, there's no reason to use a rifle round. And if you are getting attacked by dudes in body armor, you're probably fucked anyway because that's SWAT or a cartel hit squad.
>>654436999mm will still overpen in a house, hearing damage and muzzle flash change is so marginal it doesn't matter, none of those are good reasons. If you're really concerned about over penetration you need frangibles
>>65443734>hearing damage and muzzle flash change is so marginal it doesn't matter,You don't know what your talking about
>>65443735t. clueless jack
>>65442564Beretta M12 / M12SSterling / PAWS ZX-5CZ 75Standard Manufacturing Jackhammermost ARslop
>>65444664>CZ 75I mean Skorpion
>>65444664>primary complaint about the MP5 is shit ergos>cites the STERLING as a better smgLOL
>>65444664>Names 0 better smgsWdhmbt?
>>65442070>How did they do it?What is this, 1983? Who gives a damn about SMGs, they were replaced by carbines and I'd take an SBR in .300blk or 5.56 as it is a more adaptable platform.
>>65442070because nobody gives a shit about the gun only useful for totalitarian police states
>>65445017b-but the DOE and even plain colt 9mms look so much cooler than an xm177 (the coolest AR carbine dont @ me)
>>65442555P90s ARE SMGs and im tired of pretending theyre not for pedantic faggotsyoure gonna make me start calling magazines clips
>>65442070I love this little nigga like you wouldn't believe.
>>65443699>Less overpenetrationI think if anything 9mm out of an MP5 would have worse overpenetration owing to the more massive bullet and the reduced speed of the 5.56. Especially with defensive ammo.
>>65445057M1 "en bloc" is A LITERAL clipazineour Prophet revealed this term to us; do not question
Should I get an sp5 or an sp5k?
>>65445188Yes
>>65445188no get an AP5 and spend the difference on ammo and a frt
>>65442501>people realize they don't actually need a 10" barrel 5.56 SBRThe 10.5" 5.56mm SBR has far superior wounding characteristics. Pistol caliber just kinda sucks, just tends that in most circumstances 6 shots of a .32acp will stop most threats.It is worse, but worse is still effective.
>>6544259839mm cartridge length is small enough to fit within a pistol grip.
>>65443031PDW is a fake limit between a pistol and a carbine. A pistol is notable only for its ability to be welded effectively in one hand without other bracing. Further notable that pistols are more effective when held in both hands and braced.
>>65442598Taking a long rifle and shortening it makes a carbine
>>65442070Saying something is the best smg on the market is like saying a Clydesdale is the best horse for farmwork. Other technology has come along anon, we don't need them anymore.
>>65445656Get a load of this guy. Too good for pure porse hussy?
SBRs are fucking gay.
>>65442070Why does the barrel have to be so short relative to the OAL? Its like an 8 inch barrel at 30 inches or some trash, also doesnt the charging handle snap off if you do the intended reddit slap slightly too hard?
>>65445377>39mm case lengthNow pull up the overall length including the projectile and tell us that will fit in a pistol grip
>>65442555alright let's settle this once and for all. What is the meaningful difference between a PDW and an SMG? 5.7 is not really more energetic than anything else
>>65445748A pdw is supposed to penetrate soft armor and be (marginally) useful in a modern military context.
>>65442927*fagot(your call name)
>>65442070It's quite easy, really. Just don't make a shitass direct blowback. Practically the only requirement to a good smg
lmao
