>Footage of a Houthi drone dropping a munition on a Saudi M1A2S Abrams MBT near Marib, causing the tank to suffer an ammunition explosion.Why didn't the Saudis install drone cages on their Abrams?
>>65442152The era of tanks came to an end in the war in Ukraine.
Not a bad hit.
>>65442152That tank would have been save if It had infantry cover right?
>>65442176>The era of tanks came to an endJust like it came with the HEAT rounds and ATGMs?
>>65442180Tank would have been safe with a competent crew
>>65442180The tank would have been safe if it wasn't Saudi.
>>65442180In WW2 planes with rockets making low level attacks on tanks were a major problem so everyone intergrated SPAA into armoured units.Guess what the solution to drones is?
>>65442152Why do air superiority and chobham armor didn't help against drones?Why do Abrams tanks still dont have AAA anti drone capable guns?
>>65442195Yellowstone exploding?
>>65442180
this thread is so brown I could smell it from the catalog
>>65442182what ATGM does cost $1000 and has 10 km beyond line of sight range?
>>65442152post the full video, it's pretty impressive how accurate the drone drops are.>>65442225Shalom
>>65442226My dick. It penetrated your mom's defenses last night.
>>65442195>within their lifetimesI still have decades on me, so that doesn't really narrow it down.
>>65442225Idk. I kinda like watching wahhabis get killed by shiites. It's not as fun as watching brown hasbara dogs get sent back to wherever jews go when they die (hell btw,) but it'll have to do.
>>65442215Bruh, you have no idea how shit WW2 rockets were and how much skill they took..t burger boreblunder air tree vet with a fetish for rockets
>>65442228https://files.catbox.moe/o9hc6v.mp4
>>65442228>muzzies kill other muzzies>polturd tries to find kikes
>>65442152>Jump cut video a bunch of times awardProbably took some hits that didn't hit the bustle
>>65442243Point is counter drone SPAA would drastically reduce the drone threat.
>>65442249>Footage of a Houthi drone dropping a munition on a Saudi M1A2SAren't these just illustration of air power at work?This is just how air superiority works.
>>65442252why the butthurt thoughbeit?
>>65442274Post gun.
>>65442176it didn't, proven by the amount of anti tank shilling that droneniggers have drone and tanks still not being obsolete regardless.
>>65442152impressive shot
>>65442274>/k/-*insult* instant giveaway that someone is an off-boarder who comes here solely to seethe at /k/'s superiority.
>>65442302>no hand>no timestampyou know the rules (and so do I)
>>65442226How is an fpv not just an atgm with extra steps
>>65442279The butthurt is manufactured by the op because that's what he wanted to find when he made this thread
>>65442249I'm surprised it took so long for the ammo to cook off honestly. It also bares remembering that m1's have blowout panels so the crew compartment here is fine, unless that HEAT jet managed to destroy the firewall somehow. I don't know why browns think western tanks cooking off is as bad or worse than when their shit boxes do it, but that's how we get these threads
>>65442332tourist
>>65442421phone posting tourist
>>65442308>NO IT'S NOT>TANK COLUMNS>BLITZKRIEGFace it. Drones have brought the tank era to an end.
>>65442280You need to post yours first, faggot. It's not a legitimate callout unless you prove yourself first.
>>65442152 It looks like the blow-out panels saved some of the crew. Wait a few seconds for the full aftermath>https://funker530.com/video/abrams-tank-blasted-by-houthi-drone>https://funker530.com/video/yemeni-military-gets-rinsed-by-houthis
>>65442435>n-nodronenigger intelligence, ladies and gentlemen>f-face my delusions!no lol>t-the tank eranope, tanks are not obsolete, sorry son, i know you've been working very hard to push that narrative, it just doesn't work.
>>65442443To be clear I just read the guys message and he's obviously a fag and quite potentially a tourist but that doesn't excuse you not posting yours first.Not like it's mattered in years, though. Man. Sad to see.
>>65442449They never have the whole crew in there when they're doing their best impression of a bunker like that. I don't know why arabs think that's how tanks are to be used, but here we are
>>65442443This. Newfaggots from all sides completely missed the point of "post gun" was to shit on nogun euroids. You would post yours with a time stamp then anon would reply in kind, ideally with a superior firearm and it goes back and forth until someone posts their cock pinched in the slide and wins.
>>65442479Other anon is a nigger for not posting his first but >jidf>>>/pol/
>>65442479>d-double blind gameoh, it's THIS lolcow, haven't seen this guy sperg out in quite some time, eager to see how long his meltdown will be today.
>>65442266Except that the Saudi Coalition have enjoyed "full air superiority" over Yemen since 2014
>>65442308>tanks aren't obsoleteYou can't say this with a straight face in 2026. Can we see them?>12,383 (+7)Oh
>>65442535>During the 1991 Gulf War, the Iraqi military lost an estimated 3,300 to 3,800 tanks out of roughly 4,200 present in the Kuwait Theater of Operations.Shit countries are shit, nothing has changed.
>>65442535>n-noconcession accepted.>zigger tanks and their users suck asscorrecttanks are not obsolete, sorry.
>>65442152>crew bails outOh no no no, T72 sisters not like this...
>>65442176>Picture shows unarmored vehicles shredded by munitions tanks and APCs would have laughed off
Should've installed at least a net
>>65442594The M1 in the OP isn't laughing, anon. It's a charred hulk.
>>65442152Well I said this a long time ago. The blow out panels on top of the Abrams make it very vulnerable to now common top attack munitions. It's exactly how many Abrams were taken out in Ukraine by fpv drones.
>>65442180all it needs a radar and interceptor-drone launchers
>>65442631yes but i am still laughing at droneniggers who keep not understanding that something being destroyed by something else does not make it obsolete.
>>65442601I think a mortar would go though a net.
>>65442578>>65442580>obligatory "only happens in Russia" cope>According to the Oryx open-source tracking blog, Ukrainian forces have visually documented the loss of 1,455 tanks>By early June 2025 the Ukrainian Army was assessed to have lost 87 percent of its American-supplied M1A1 Abrams tanks, with 27 of the 31 vehicles destroyed or captured>Open-source intelligence tracking, such as data from Oryx, indicates that Ukraine has lost roughly 35 to 40 Leopard 2 tanks of various models (including variants like the Strv 122) out of roughly 100-plus delivered by Western allies.Tanksisters, not like this…the drone BVLL…it's just too strong…
>>65442578>it takes the biggest air force in the world with total air superiority over a country to even resemble the amount of total tank death that the mass adoption of FPVs in an equally matched conflict has inflictedImplessive
>>65442688>noooo, all of my examples being extremely situational is not cope, y-you're coping!ukraine war is not "how war works now" dronenigger.you've been seething about the non-obsolescence of tanks for a few weeks now lol, it's very inorganic.
>>65442702that's cute, tanks aren't obsolete, too bad.
>>65442639>he thinks carousel ammo storage can't be hit with roof impact.
>>65442702>Temu drones...how can they generate so much power!!??
>>65442715>>65442718>mental breakdownIf monke invades the baltics, promise me you won't cry when rattefliegenwagenjaeger Mk XVIII with 10 extra tons of composite armor, outfitted with 50 million dollar Israeli trophy systems and the latest Anduril giga EW defenses gets sniped in the ass from 20 kilometers away by Mr. AliExpress with a 50-year old warhead before it can make visual contact with the gray zonehttps://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/u-s-and-ukrainian-forces-went-head-to-head-in-an-exercise-ukraines-drones-won-cc3663d5
>>65442639Every legacy armored vehicle is vulnerable to top-attack, who are you kidding? The next generation of tank will combine hard-kill systems with soft-kill systems, as well as having heavy armor designed for modern threat profiles. At the very least armor will be placed on top of the turret, to prevent an easy kill and give the crew more chance to survive and escape. This is something that can be done on current vehicles.The best solution is an unmanned turret with some sort of bulkhead above ammunition to prevent total obliteration from direct enemy attacks. That and a crew capsule up front.
Tanks are going through a hard time right now be I think in the near future we are just going to get tanks with anti-drone weapons mounted on the top of the turret. Honestly I'm surprised we don't already have a Phalanx CIWS style weapon on the top of some tanks.
>>65442750>heavy armor designed for modern threat profiles>why didn't we just put impenetrable armor on the top and back as well, are Americans stupid?>>65442756Oh, we will. The problem is that tanks were designed for the last war and need time to develop these counter-drone guns
>>65442766>didn't we just put impenetrable armor on the top and back as well, are Americans stupid?Retard, ammo should be protected, as should the crew. The engine is a big block of metal, even if mobility is disabled, the crew could still have a chance of getting away.Top attack munitions are a hard counter for modern weapons, and its a known problem. I guess solving said problem is a waste faggot-kun?
>>65442750>At the very least armor will be placed on top of the turret, to prevent an easy kill and give the crew more chance to survive and escape. This is something that can be done on current vehicles.It's harder than you are making it sound. The roof is the worst place to put additional armour, because it affects the centre of gravity and puts a lot more strain on the turret mechanism. Ideally a tank will need as low a centre of gravity as possible because you will need to deal with very steep angles. every kilo that you put on the roof increases the risk that you'll start sliding when you try to track across a slope. As an example it's very common for tracked excavators to slide off the side of spoil heaps if they've got the bucket too high, especially if they're traversing and have the arm slewed to one side.
>>65442748>mental breakdownyeah, the dronenigger is having another mental breakdown, very common these days.>n-no you're crying not me!!!!lol.
>>65442783>I guess solving said problem is a waste faggot-kun?I didn't say solving it was retarded, I said your way of solving it was retarded
>>65442790>The best solution is an unmanned turret with some sort of bulkhead above ammunition to prevent total obliteration from direct enemy attacks. That and a crew capsule up front.I know, but if a turret is to have a crew within, that is one of the best solutions.
>>65442766yep.
>>65442783>i guess solving said problem is a wastestrawman, nobody has said this.
>>65442795>I know, but if a turret is to have a crew within, that is one of the best solutions.It won't be crewed, and the future of tanks are fast, lightly-armored vehicles that address projectiles actively, rather than relying on "tanking" them with heavy armor everywhere, which due to modern technology is becoming impossible. IFVs like Bradley are much more popular than tanks are these days, and it's not for no reason
>>65442804its not a strawman when responding to a retard, especially one that brings up americans as if they are the only ones suffering from said issue
>>65442815>especially one that brings up americans as if they are the only ones suffering from said issueBut he didn't say that lmao. You are strawmanning AND whataboutting because you are trying to sneakily steer this fundamental technology issue into a country issue because you're offended
>>65442838>>65442766>why didn't we just put impenetrable armor on the top and back as well, are Americans stupid>(you)
>>65442756Definitely. The next big advancement will be light AA systems and rethinking armor materials/layouts. Tanks being "obsolete" is not a new claim. Many things can disable/kill a tank. That's why they can't be used without thought, told to blindly rush into an area, and now why the area above them must always be monitored. Keep in mind that all the light drones to attack armor happened because actual ATGMs couldn't be sourced in necessary numbers. I'd still rather hit a tank with one of those missiles instead of hoping a hit (or a series) will kill it with a lucky placement.
>>65442864"Conventional" line of sight ATGMs were made completely obsolete by drones. BTW nothing stops you from putting ATGM warhead on quadcopter.
>>65442864>The next big advancement will be light AA systemsWith audacity of tankfags denial about drones it may never came
>>65442839>why didn't we just put impenetrable armor on the top and back as well, are Americans stupidBut Abrams tank DOES have impenetrable chobham armor on the top and back as well.
>>65442152Ayyrabs are fucking embarassing.
>>65442956kek, shut up retard
>>65442960>brown post
>>65442962shitskin posting 101
>>65442180considering this is the now considered obsolete kind of drop attack, yes, one dude with an anti-drone rifle/jammer could have prevented that attack
>>65442152can someone explain to me why are they using tanks ? why aren't they using literally thousands of FPVs as a screen that just goes in and kill everything miles in front of the troops ? I really want to understand how that would not be a cheaper, safer and more effective strategy.
>>65442948To an extent, even attack helos are being tested to send out drones instead of shorter-ranged missiles or rockets. Now a question for the thread in general. A key part of making something obsolete is the role either being erased or replaced. What replaces the roles tanks/armor are expected to do? The need to breakthrough and hold positions still exists.
>>65442988Saudis are retarded, their whole military runs on endless amounts of completely unearned hubris and oil money.
>>65442948no, no they weren't lol.when there's a tank already staring at your position you'd rather want something that can reach it right the fuck now than wait for a drone to slowly make it's way over there.
>>65442990Main tank job since 1941 was fighting enemy tanks.That role was erased.Drones kill tanks better.Tanks can't kill other tanks because they are destroyed before they ever see enemy tanks.
>>65442988Sounds like a crappier version of saturation and creeping barrage.What happens when the cloud of drones is spotted and jammed or otherwise shot at? Drones are useful for things, but everyone answering "more drones" to any military issue is a fool.
>>65442951>t-tankfagsdon't exist, you've been trying to force this extremely inorganic nomenclature for weeks.
>>65443007>main job since 1941 was fighting enemy tankswrong>that role was erasedwrongyou're retarded, dronenigger.>b-but in the ukraine warand that's why you're a midwit and nobody takes you seriously in these conversations.
>>65443006Nobody is asking your opinion, grunt.It's your problem.But killing tank with drones is over 9000 safer and coat effecient then trying to fight tank in direct fire duel. Mighty abramsy tank literally can't do anything about Temu drones attacks, and tanks often die to drones long before they reach enemy positiona.Conventional tactics and weapons can deal with ATGMs but can't do anything about drones.
>>65442951holy fucking ESL
>>65443016Can't wait for Trump drafting you to send you to burn inside Abrams tank on the road to Tehran.So much drones kino incoming.
>>65443008>Sounds like a crappier version of saturation and creeping barrage.>every munition is guided to a target and doesn't require heavy guns to be fired yeah totally crappier >What happens when the cloud of drones is spotted and jammed or otherwise shot at?when did that happen ? you can literally see russia getting raped by drones even after deploying every types of counter they can think off furthermore what happen when your tanks get blown up by cheap drones ? what happen when your troops get ambushed and killed ?yes you can lose drone but drones are replaceable, dead soldiers are not, you have to be a complete psychopath to be against your troops using drones.
>>65443007Get rid of MBTs for whatever reason and the remaining armor is now just a worse tank. Your M2, BMP, etc. will be fighting each other and doing the other jobs, and still be vulnerable to drones. In addition to other things infantry can easily carry around. The only improvement is costs, which will be negated as you're producing more to make up for losses. In addition to your forces morales... ahem, tanking.
>>65443041Dead AFVs can't fullfil their purpose. See op post.Your either make AFVs protected from drones or go extinct.
>>65443019>n-nobodyyou don't get to speak for anyone lol>g-gruntweird catchphrase, hardly even constitutes an insult, you gotta get your head checked out nigga.>coat efficienthow am i supposed to take your retarded blithering seriously when you're barely literate and, beyond your bad grammar, can barely string a decent sentence structure together?>b-but what about a tank that's not adapted to drone warfareyour premise is retarded, tanks WILL be adapted to drone warfare.>but can't do anything about dronesyeah, they can, that's what all of the C-UAS options in development are for.drones are different in that they travel extremely slowly and are quite flimsy, this actually makes them far cheaper to deal with, when you have the right tools, it's just that for the longest time we've been fighting wars where the right tools were things meant to deal with high-end weaponry, it's a new problem, but not something that poses any kind of fundamental technical limitation.tanks that have a 20 MM shrapnel producing autocannon with AI tracking and targeting will be able to shoot down wave after wave of slow FPV's, but that same solution won't be worth jack-shit against a good ATGM.
>>65443029and other mentally ill fantasies produced by the dronenigger brownoid brain lolwhy mention trump all of the sudden? i haven't shown any support for him whatsoever and you're suddenly randomly seething about something completely unrelated to the conversation.you need to go for a walk.
>>65443033Every munition guided. So someone has to sit there and steer all of them. When there's thousands in this wave? Is every soldier now just tasked with operating drones? As for counters. Flak bursts, lasers, even other drones steered/crashed/detonated into the mass. You cannot negate soldier casualties 100% and if you're not willing to take the risks of deaths, you've already lost that war and shouldn't be fighting it.
>>65442988Imagine if you will a country where every person there is borderline inbred or severely inbred. Then imagine these same people are extremely nepotistic (the son takes over the business when the father dies, but instead it's a general and his son is suddenly the replacement general in the same position). Now, combine all this with very poor training because they don't feel like they need to (you can send all the foreign instructors you want, if the guys won't do the work it doesn't matter -- think of this like paying full tuition to Harvard and not going to your classes, ever). Finally, layer on top of this shit cake an icing made entirely from arrogance and ego (the tank isn't a tool of war, it's a Lamborghini you own that can blow up buildings). Repeat this for around 900 years and what you get is the modern Saudi state.
>>65443053droneniggers really don't seem to understand that when you make something cheap and shitty enough to be mass-spammed like drones, the solution people are going to use to deal with that is equally shitty and cheap countermeasures that would be far less effective against something like a proper ground-skimming or ballistic missile but would absolutely devour slow FPV and fixed wing drones.microwave cannons, laserbeams, small-scale flak, small distributed radars specifically designed to pick up the kind of return that non-metal drones give off. smaller, even cheaper, short range intercept FPV drones.all of these can be used to reliably take out enemy drone attacks, and they cost fuckall, the only thing that prevents their existence on the battlefield en-masse today is time and money, which is slowly but surely coming along as people adapt to the new situation.
>droneniggerIt's actually hilarious, it's like you peoples are living in an alternate dimension where the Ukraine war isn't happening. We have been seeing russian getting slaughterer by drones for years now, soldier splattered on the ground, MBTs and IVFs exploding whiting minutes of being spotted, heck even helicopters, jets and ships are getting hit and destroyed. all that for a fraction of the cost of what ATGMs and AAA can offer. and with operator taking infinitely less risks.And yet here you are denying all of it because it doesn't look as cool. Insane.
>>65443063>microwave cannons, laserbeams, small-scale flak, small distributed radars specifically designed to pick up the kind of return that non-metal drones give off. smaller, even cheaper, short range intercept FPV drones.Costs tens of millions of dollars per unit and is currently burning to a fucking crisp in crimea. In other words, more expensive drone food for the drone gods
>day 1639 of Russia's smo to denazify Ukranian bioweapons labs in the sims 3>the global south is still convinced the same invasion strategy would have succeeded if they had more drones
>>65443079Just because they make Snowgeria's armored pushes obsolete doesn't mean that translates to a competent military.>DUDE lengths of rope have made infantry, artillery and aircraft obsolete!! Are you not watching what Rwanda is doing in the Congo Wars?!
>>65443103>this wouldn't happen to America!Ukraine already kicked their asses in Germany. Drones win every time. Let it go anon.
>>65443079>n-noooo i'm not a dronenigger stop calling me that!!!!!>n-noooooo but the ukraine war but the ukraine war!ukraine isn't every war ever, dronenigger, it is a war that was formed by it's initial conditions and developed from there.>two 2nd world countries with somewhat limited high-tech industry duke it out>two sides were literally already quite entrenched and fortified before the war even began>arty spam and lack of specialized offensive capability on both sides as well as a stalemate in the air solidified the frontlines even more>both sides have very low army sizes for the enormous frontline where fighting is happening>heavily solidified, entrenched positions>very low troop density>extremely pre-sighted frontlines where avenues of approach are dialed in>as a result of all of these conditions, drone spam became very effectivedrone spam as it is in ukraine is a product of it's environment, not the other way around, dronenigger. drones became as prolific as they did AFTER the frontlines solidified. soldiers needed a way to keep a very large stretch of nearly empty frontline defended.>y-you're denying iti'm not denying the existence of the ukraine war, you illiterate fucking worm, you mongrel, you rube. i'm denying your retarded insistence that you think you understand how warfare works because you've seen one major conflict develop over the course of your shitty reprobate life.people are not preparing for the ukraine war, dronenigger, they're preparing for the war that comes after that, and after that. the situation in ukraine is not ideal, it is a result of two nations doing what they can with what they have, not with what they'd want to have. everyone else who's not currently engaged in a ground war is going to study it and come up with solutions to the problems that the ukraine war proposes, not just shrug and go "hurr duurrr oh well this is how war works now!"
>>65443097>a-and is currently burning to a crisp in crimeahow fucking delusional are you, dronenigger? russia doesn't have any of the things mentioned.i accept your concession.
>>65443112no, they don't, sorry dronenigger, but actual military procurement specialists disagree with you and are investing heavily into C-UAS.
>>65443112>muh exercises>the wect is actually weak!Drones won't upend America's complete military dominance or usher in the age of BRICS. The US kidnapped Maduro and deleted the Iranian leadership, navy and airforce the world away despite drones. Russia uses drones en masse and is eating ever growing carts of shit on a daily basis. Suck my dick, then suck your own dick and wallow in despair in the difference of quality.
>>65443114You've got it backwards kek. The whole reason infiltration tactics using sparse amounts of foot soldiers are the meta is because in the beginning of the war, boomer tanktards like you got spotted in your compact convoys and got picked off and annihilated by drones. Anyone who was around in 2022-2023 remembers this
>>65443134>metadronenigger is a zoomer, imagine my surprise on god
>>65443134>n-no you've got it backwards!i don't, you do. drones were not as prolific whatsoever before the frontlines solidified in ukraine, which happened due to the factors i mentioned and a few others.>HURR DURR DRONE-drones did not do anywhere near the majority of the work early war, dronenigger, the convoys of russian troops that streamed into ukraine got picked off mainly by artillery and ATGM ambushes, drones as we see them now did not become a major element until after the frontlines had solidified.it's so fucking obvious that you're a retarded zoomer thirdie who hasn't even been following and studying the ukraine war since the beginning of the conflict, you know nothing and you embarrass yourself with every post.>t-tanktardinorganic, unfunny, forced meme that literally only you use, it's how i can identify you among a crowd of people as the same retarded dronenigger that's been sperging out about this topic and humiliating himself for fucking weeks, you were seething about the non-obsolescence of tanks 3 weeks ago and you're so fucking insecure that you're still doing it today, if you actually, truly believed any of your retarded drivel you'd stop shilling over again.
>>65443121>russia doesn't have any of the things mentioned.Not anymore they don't>>65443126>disagree with you and are investing heavily into C-UAS.They disagree that they lost and are now shitting themselves racing to develop C-UAS because they now know drones actually work? Glad we could agree>>65443128What does this have to do with anything I said? Any time people bring up drone supremacy, you start losing your mind and crying about American sand warsStill closed btw
>>65443157>Still closed btwand the mask slips, brownie
>>65443155honestly, even today, arty continues to be an enormous part of the frontline, droneniggers have visibility bias and they don't believe in the effectiveness of anything that doesn't have a camera strapped to the front, drones are unique in that they do their own BDA, if every bullet, missile, bomb and artillery shell had a camera strapped to the front we'd suddenly get very different headlines about the "percentages" of what things are being killed by.
>>65443128>hey this new technology allow you to destroy your enemy for a fraction of the cost >you could mass produce it and integrate it into your already massive armed forces>on top of an ongoing conflict, every exercise we did proved it is effective>and cherry on top it extremely reduce risks four your own troops >NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, you're brown, the US doesn't need that, we must keep spending billion to achieve the same result ( maybe ) ok then, I guess we should send troop to iran then since it's such a non issue.
>>65443173>I guess we should send troop to iranDon't need to because everything >we have completely outranges and outclasses any drone
>>65443157>n-not anymo-no, dronenigger-san, they just never did, to begin with, not even for one second. they literally have nothing even close to it because they don't have the resources or industry to produce it, the west does. russia cannot produce a brand new turreted 20mm belt-fed cannon with shock absorbtion, drone-tuned small radar and an automatic drone detection, classification and engagement system, the west can, and is currently doing so, along with all the other systems you consider to be a waste of time because you are retarded and not in military procurement.>t-they lostTHEY are not part of the fucking conflict, you retarded dronenigger, they are the western countries that literally aren't engaged in the war and are preparing for their own potential future wars with russia.>s-still closed btwyeah, you're a thirdie who's obsessed with drones being "le dreadnought moment that equalizes the scales" that's great, we already knew that, nobody's impressed. i have no dog in the iran war, as far as i'm concerned both sides are losing, but you need to knock off that delusional dronenigger bullshit and take it back to nu/pol/, feelings based military discussion is not welcome here.
>>65443167>honestly, even today, arty continues to be an enormous part of the frontline, droneniggersthis is literally false, according to Ukraine themselves FPV account for over 80% of all casualties on the front now
>>65443134Lol dronenigger revisionism is the best, Russia's advance halted because of Russia's abysmal logistics and systemic corruption which led to running out of fuel and supplies leading to them getting their shit rocked by weapons donated to Ukraine as they became isolated and cut off. Lots of IFV's, lots of artillery, lots of rockets and lots of small arms ambushes. The beginning of the war was maneuver combat with a new.l cauldrooning every other day and entire cities getting pounded into rubble as they fought building to building over ciry blocks. It wasn't until much later, well after the front staganated and Russia gassed itself on an unironic revolt by wagner that it started to get dominated by drones.
>>65443173>strawmanniest of all strawmenyou're strawmanning again, dronenigger, nobody ITT said drones are useless. everybody IS intergrating drones into their existing military, they just don't play the kind of role you think they do.
>>65443180>t-this is literally falseit isn't>80%no, they account for 80% of CONFIRMED casualties, you retarded nigger.you're proving his point, you guys literally cannot into statistics.
>>65443181that little slipup convinced me that the dronenigger hasn't actually been following this war since even 2022, let alone earlier, and gained all his knowledge about the early invasion via osmosis through memes. fucking embarrassing that this guy's still beating the same drum after weeks.
>>65443192>drones are doing the job faster, cheaper and with confirmation >NOOOO artillery is actually doing the damage >I have no proof of this but it is ok >your are brown it's getting pathetic dude
>>65443204Nah, you are pathetic lil bro. We all know Dragon's Teeth were the real meta frfr no cap
>>65442951>Le tankfagsSo let me ask you, oh wizened sage of the battlefield, how *are* tanks obsolete? What have they been replaced with? What are ground forces going to use for either direct-fire defensive maneuvers, or for pin-point breakthrough?Even if you wanna cite Ukraine, you're going to have to concede this - what is going to replace tanks in your hypothetical military?Are you going to send infantry? Are you going to send ebikes? Are you going to send men in golf carts? Are you just gonna not bother with armored vehicles at all because it's le obsolete?You cannot overcome the fact that humans are slow and squishy and weak while an armored motor-vehicle is none of these things. How are you going to overcome this basic problem of physics, exactly?
>>65443063>microwave cannons, laserbeams, small-scale flak, small distributed radars specifically designed to pick up the kind of return that non-metal drones give off. smaller, even cheaper, short range intercept FPV drones.Do Yemenis have these in large numbers to counter theoretical Saudi drones?
>>65443204>drones are doing the job fasterwrong, arty can achieve affect on target significantly faster than a drone can.>cheapernot by much, arty is still incredibly cheap and very effective in such a stagnant frontline.>with confirmationyeah, which is the only reason why you're so obsessed with drones, you're a little zoomer who only watches tiktok clips, you like having little keys dangled in front of your face, so in your mind footage of something hitting something else is the only criteria for effectiveness.>noooo artillery is actually doing the damageanother disingenuous strawman, you're very bad at earnest conversation, dronenigger. i said artillery is a significant contributor on the frontline, not that it's "stealing kills" from drones.>i have no proof of this the proof is all the times russian attacks reportedly get raped by an arty barrage, which is quite often.>i-it's getting pathetic.mentally ill, bad-faith, inorganic dronenigger, you don't get to call anyone pathetic, you're incomprehensibly retarded and your retardation is only matched by your ego. no normal person would continue spamming the same narrative over and over and over again after getting continuously BTFO in every thread like you have.
>>65443217no, which is why le drone dreadnought moment is never coming, developed western nations will have access to extremely cheap drones, conventional weaponry AND the weapons that can counter extremely cheap drones, thirdies of the future will ONLY have cheap drones and nothing else, which is why they're going to get raped by the big established players even harder.
>>65443217you don't understand bro, we need to send guys and armor in, so they can be blown up by IED, and drones. we cannot possibly use drone ourselves to do the job faster and with less casualties for some reason
>>65443223Then why don't Saudis use drones to fight the Yemenis in a more effective way?It seems that it is the other way around currently with the much poorer Yemenis being able to effectively use drones to counter the Saudi resource advantage..>developed western nations will have access to extremely cheap dronesWill they? I guess they can buy some from Temu if China is ok with that.
>>65443227>another strawmandronenigger, you are punching the airNOBODY.HAS.SAID.THIS.nobody has said that western armies will not use drones, literally nobody, throughout the entire thread, has suggested this, you are desperately, DESPERATELY trying to strawman this argument into existence so that your absolute humiliation at the behest of everyone else in the thread is cauterized a little.western armies will continue to use tanks, they adopt cheaper mass-produced drones, and they will also mass-adopt C-UAS weapons that can counter enemy cheap drones.all of these are true at the same time.
>>65443227>ignores the dozens of posts logically tearing apart his drone fantasy world>passive aggressively posts like a womanDrones will never be taken seriously as long as they're shot down by tactical headbutts
>>65442455Idk why they keep insisting tank era is over when it's all about combined arms. With their extremists view points on things, they might as well give up on life because death is an inevitable conclusion to it.
Why are tanks so fucking annoying babysitting stops for a second and it's gone. Pieces of shit.
>>65443236because 1: they are saudi's and they're kind of retarded2: it's a very new issue and developing counters to it is going to take time, saudi's don't have much of an MIC themselves, so they have to rely on others that they can buy things from.>n-nooooo westerners can't build dronesthey are already building completely domestically sourced drones lol, you're retarded.
>>65443241>Idk why they keep insisting tank era is over when it's all about combined armsDronenigger is posting from some third world nation that can't utilize combined arms so imagines that drones are some poorfag wonderwaffe
>>65443241it's an ego thing, dronenigger-san has made enormous personal emotional investment into the idea that HE IS A VISIONARY.he's so cool because he's one of the guys who SAW it coming, he's ahead of the curve. he predicted the DRONE REVOLUTION when all those stupid smelly boomers didn't.he's just not very smart and doesn't understand what he's actually supposed to be ahead of the curve on. when reality clashes with his idea that drones will do everything, and everything else somehow just chooses to become obsolete and doesn't even try to adapt, he panics.that is the reason why he's been spamming about this topic for weeks now.
>>65443248This whole chain of discussion originated from this post.>>65442988>building completely domestically sourced drones lolAre they? Last I heard the EU is just now running a development program to source the components for a 100% EU made basic bitch quadcopter and I can guarantee that made in USA or made in the EU is not going to be "cheap".
>>65443262I wasn't so different when I was an underaged teenager. I always imagined myself smarter than everyone else and any idea I had felt revolutionary and worth clinging to. In hindsight, I very much lament the countless threads and posts I made in arrogance and ignorance.
>>65442152The tank lost its ammo, but I'm not sure if it's even been disabled. Still a nice shot by the drone operator.
>>65443249>third world nation that can't utilize combined armsHas there been any example of any country successfully utilizing combined arms against the current drone threat that has emerged from the war in Ukraine?Perhaps Israel? but they are fighting against retarded sandniggers.
>>65443272>Perhaps Israel? but they are fighting against retarded sandniggers.>it doesn't count because it's not a peer conflict!Oh, here we fucking go again
>>65443270>>65443262he definitely reads like a very young poster. the weird, inexperienced and clumsy sentence structure paired with extremely frequent typo's leads me to believe that he's probably not over 18.
>>65443271While the Abrams blowout panels are likely to save the crew, the tank itself is totaled. The turret basket is completely demolished, even melting through the bottom, and the engine deck is heavily damaged by the heat.
>>65443272>Has there been any example of any country successfully utilizing combined arms against the current drone threat...Have you never seen IFV/tank supported infantry pushes into enemy trenches *while* under both attack and cover from drones and artillery? I could've sworn we've seen this multiple times in Ukraine.Or how the 2023 counteroffensive got stalled out by unlikely attack helicopter support, and disabled vehicles being poached by sappers and engineers on both sides. It seems like Ukraine has plenty of instances alone.
>>65443283If you are not expecting to have to have serious enemies then you can live all your life in lala-land without any real consequences.Besides, I didn't say it had to be a peer enemy, just a competent one. Before the war in Ukraine I would not have thought Ukraine and Russia peer level combatants (neither did Russia) but the Ukrainians have proven themselves to be decently competent.
Dronenigger, I'm pretty sure they're just trolling you. Probably. I mean, there is a low chance these shitters ARE actually this retarded, but most likely they're just giving you the ol' razzle-dazzle.
>>65443290>Have you never seen IFV/tank supported infantry pushes into enemy trenchesSuccessfully? Not after 2023-2024 I can't recall ever seeing those no.>2023 counteroffensive got stalled out by unlikely attack helicopter supportIndeed, the Russians didn't yet have enough FPV squads to stop that kind of attack.
>>65443285It reads too much like my posts on the old NationStates forums. I was convinced submarines and hypersonic missiles (as well as the multi-turreted tanks I made in DOGA) would dominate warfare.
>>65443293Incorrect, Russia has proven itself incompetent. The problem with your thinking is that a vaseline is always established, in this case drones being a massive shift in warfare, and anything that beats them is chocked up to some massive skill/tech gap that invalidates it as an example of "beating them drones". Circular logic.
>>65443296>understanding future military procurement is trolling because i said so!lol.tanks are not obsolete, future armies will have tanks, drones and C-UAS.
>>65443262>He's personally invested>Says the man having a multi post meltdown screeching and treating dronefags as if they are insulting his wife.Given how much you are 100% an otaku for tanks, I guess they are insulting your wife. Whose your favorite tank waifu?Me, I just trust what my eyes tell me. My eyes are telling me right now that drones are clapping tank cheeks left and right. So I'll wait until I actually see all this vaunted anti small drone technology implemented and successful. Until then it's just 2 more weeks trust the plan versus what is right in front of us, which is that the threat of small drones made the mightiest navy in world history afraid of rolling up to straits held by a third rate third world shithole.
>>65443304>multi-turreted weaponsbut anon, you were right!
>>65443290>the 2023 counteroffensive got stalled out by unlikely attack helicopter support,it failed because Ukraine followed nato generals that completely ignored 24/7 drone surveillance and miles deep minefields there has been zero successful combined arms offensive since FPVs and recon drones have become ubiquitous on the front every time russia has tried they have been slaughtered and froced into meatwave assault, the Ukraine war is the worst possible example against drones
>>65443307Your point seems to be that the only reason drones have been revolutionary in Ukraine is because the Russians (and by extension the Ukrainians) are just simply incompetent and that a competent Western military would simply come up with some obvious counter using their superior Western thinking skills such as for example just driving around the mine field if ever encountered.Am I understanding you correctly?
>>65443310>n-no you're having a meltdown!!!you've been consistently seething about people understanding warfare better than you for weeks now, everyone easily detects you because you keep going on the same tangents, using the same strawman attacks, and you use these weird forced catchphrases that nobody else uses.>otaku for tanksi am not, they are a tool for a job, never even been to a tank museum.>n-no you're emotionally invested, not me!i just call out bullshit when i see it, simple as.>who's you're favourite tank waifui've never even watched girls und panzer.also my waifu isn't war related, it's the cheshire from MGE lel.>i-i trust what my eyes tell me>i saw 20 drone tiktoks and only 5 infantry tiktoks, infantry must be obsolete!this is your brain on visibility bias.>afraid of rolling up to straitsi can tell you're very emotionally invested in the iran war too, but sweetheart, what you're saying never actually happened. iranian drone attacks managed to scare insurance companies that provide insurance to ships, which is what's actually preventing throughput of traffic.US navy warships have been sailing up and down the straight constantly with complete impunity, what you've imagined in your head never came to pass.
>>65443313Very good, soon genetically engineered twelve foot tall wolves will dominate the battlefield as well
>>65443334turn them into wolfgirls and you've got a deal
>>65443322NTA, but Russia has proven itself incompetent, and Ukraine has proven itself one of the poorest nations in Europe which is at a massive material disadvantage compared to its larger, more incompetent neighbor.In the same situation, western militaries would rely heavily on air power just like they have done for every single war since WW2. A thing which neither Ukraine nor Russia can do because Ukraine is too poor to throw hundreds of 4th/5th gen aircraft at their problems, and Russia is too incompetent to conduct SEAD/DEAD despite their on paper respectable number of aircraft.
>>65443340>12 foot tall wolf girlsWe just went from the war/diplomacy board to the RP board
>>65443343another two factors majorly limiting russia's airforce is pilot numbers and readiness.keeping aircraft airworthy is a very intensive process, especially during an armed conflict.russia just does not have the logistical tail to keep anywhere near it's full fleet operational at the same time, they don't have the spare parts, the infrastructure, or the personnel for it. they also have fewer qualified pilots than they have airframes, before the war, many russian pilots were having to get second jobs as airline pilots to reach their already small compared to westerners minimum amount of flight hours. russia has a lot of planes, but most of them cannot be used, and i imagine after years of war, many have just been straight up cannibalised to keep the rest of the fleet running and active.
>>65443348>you want compromise? how's this.>20 years in the can, i wanted turreted wolves.>i compromised, i ate wolfgirl ass off the radiator instead.
>>65443343It takes extreme lack of honest awareness if you call Ukraine just "more competent than Russia". They are by far the most experienced nation in the world including everything related to the civilian side of things.
>>65443366maybe so, but i'm a bit fucking tired of people pretending that ukraine magically became a super-dreadnought on-par with the rest of europe just because russia crumpled against them like a soda can against a concrete wall.
>>65443351Those things are true, but mostly downstream of Russia as a whole being incompetent at war. Russia had ample time to fix the majority of its air fleet issues in the years leading up to the full scale invasion, but it just didn't due to the aforementioned incompetence.
>>65443302>Vids of Bradleys and M113s bringing troops in ain't relevant>Vids of Bradleys and other IFVs holding down chokepoints ain't relevant>Infamous video of a tank running over a Russian trench after it held up an infantry attack isn't relevant>Videos of Ka-52s trying to engage Ukrainian tanks and IFVs during a breach ain't relevant eitherSilly newfag. 2025-2026 has not been the norm for this war and is a product of both sides having culminated repeatedly. Ukraine lacks infantry, Russia lacks assets. It wasn't always the case, however, and that's what we should judge off of. Depressed, donkey mounted infantry fighting vaping zoomers operating remote M2s ain't really representative of what we're looking for in a "peer conflict", ya feel me?>>65443319>The offensive failed because combined arms doesn't work in the drone age!>...Even though said offensive failed exactly because of combined arms (drone spotting + fpvs + ATGMs + attack helicopters + physical barriers + infantry observation + engineering and recovery vehicles)Did you understand my post correctly? Russia was the one who had combined arms advantage precisely because they combined attack helicopters and artillery with drone observation and other assets, on top of a series of physical barriers.I believe, anon, you mean to specify that 80s style combined arms *assault* does not work with drone warfare and this is true. However! Good dispersion can work wonders and more than that, suppressing the enemy drone team, which can only be done by a thick layer of asset denial and fire; not just a singular special team, but everyone who can help support. That is combined arms, just not in the grand, Fulda-gap esque manner in which both Ukraine and Russia have tried and ate shit attempting, as you yourself stated.
>>65443366>They are by far the most experienced nation in the worldAnd they would get absolutely bodied by most of the big dawgs. Drones are a tactical, not strategic, tool.
>>65443363Your waifu. Liru, whatever happened there
>>65443378well, sure, but let's not rule out the fact that a lot of their spare parts are in limited supply because they were built by soviet industry that literally doesn't exist anymore. they're probably having to ration certain aircraft parts that literally aren't getting built anymore.
>>65442688god damn only 40 leos? in a high intensity war like this with such low replenishment i was almost certain they would all be gone by now. the afghans did better than this vs russia without any modern tech!
>>65443386Whatever happened there?>the sequelWHATEVER HAPPENED THERE?!>god rest it's soulI'LL TELL YOU WHAT FUCKIN' HAPPENED, NEVER EVER, THAT'S WHAT FUCKIN' HAPPENED!
>>65443408>/f/ getting up to leave: "Well okay then!"
>>65443371Nobody denies the importance of aid but still it's a war that Ukrainians fight and learn from first hand.
>>65443412They also had training. Lots of training. From NATO. Post Crimea invasion, they took shit seriously because they knew the next invasion wasn't a question of if but when.
>>65443366Ukraine's level of competence is still extremely variable. There are western style units of excellent quality, and there are barely functional units which still operate under soviet style leadership that exist just to fill holes.Similarly on the civilian side, there are constant issues with corruption and the occasional major scandal that leads to Ukrainians protesting against their own government during wartime. Ukraine wasn't just one of the poorest nations in Europe before the war - it was also one of the most corrupt, and this constantly causes problems with its war effort.Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of Ukrainians doing good work without getting destroyed by The System for being too competent (a major problem in Russia), and it is an extremely good sign that Ukraine's civilian population is willing to stand up to its own government and force changes when the government does blatantly sketchy shit (see the recent scandal with the defense minister getting booted), but it would be an "extreme lack of honest awareness" to pretend that Ukraine's deep running soviet rot doesn't continue to cause completely unnecessary problems for it in all aspects of the war. They have just managed to avoid getting screwed over too badly by their own flaws because, as one fine soldier put it, they are very lucky that the Russians are so fucking stupid.
>>65443348>>65443363>>65443386>>65443408>come to /k/, stay for the /f/-/tv/-/k/-/h/ cross postingThis is why I can't get off the ride, thanks anon
>>65443424>reeeeee long post must be AIContinuing to demonstrate the fact that most people can't reliably identify AI writing, I see?
>>65442223What if the solution to drones vs tanks isn't cages, but big jelly armor that emulates flesh. like a giant water balloon layer that won't drain if it's penetrated?
>>65443431ok chat gpt
>>65443424stop falseflagging, zigger.
>>65443454guy made an obviously earnest post and you're a zigger trying to falseflag, now fuck off.
>>65443465>n-noooo i'm going to falseflag as le overzealous ukranian!yeah everyone can see through it zigger, you guys are very bad at this.
>>65442152>>65442176>>65442180Don't worry guys, the US Abrams are safe
>>65443049>your premise is retarded, tanks WILL be adapted to drone warfare.Show me in the op post tank adapted to drone warfare.Ill wait.Remember how do Americans boasted that Abrams tank is mightest fighting machine in the universe and nothing can't touch it?>ACK
>>65443103You post is clear illustration why do American tankfags can't learn using others experience.They need Abrams columns burning crispy crisp with drafted zoomers inside on the road to Tehran filmed in 4K to get the memo into their thick skulls.
>>65443214>how *are* tanks obsolete?Picture the scenario: you are draftee zoomer charging enemy positions inside Abraham tank. Drone ACKs your tank 5 clicks away from frontline. How do you execute combat mission then?
>>65443248Saudis are American proxy whatever they do and whatever weapons they have Americans taught and supplied them, their failure is reflection of America not having cards against drones.
>>65444221Saudis. Are. RETARDED. Like you don't have a fucking clue just how stupid these people are, there is no teaching them.
>>65444288sure,sure, now go pay iran it's reparation for epstein fury, yank
>>65444288>meanwhile in the US
I keep hearing that Saudi Arabia has like this vast arsenal of NATO gear yet they can't even do anything against some villagers with unguided rockets. How the fuck do you have an unlimited money supply yet you can't afford a solution for this?I guess the arab armies stereotypes are real. More so for western-friendly armies.
>>65444382They're actually having financial issues and have to cut down training/schools/training. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ni2wJo7fKBAI don't know which is more embarrassing. Being SA and having infinite money but no training or the US going from having enough money for training to barely doing things
>>65444387Why do Western MIC doesn't supply SA with FPV drone and anti drones weapons?>take tanks instead
>>65444410>doesn't supply SASA is not Ukraine. SA picks what they think they need and buy it. Ukraine asks for random shit and the west sends them whatever they think it's best for Ukraine.
>>65444382Bayonet training is practiced in plenty of first-world countries. How is this equitable to Saudi retardation?
>>65442152Tanks are so obsolete
>>65442152Drones bypasses all the layers at once
>>65444480ironically drones have better suitability than tanks according to this chart MBTs really have no point anymore kek
>>65444387>>65444288it often gets forgotten, but saudi arabia is a dictatorship, the people there are probably not on board with a war against the houthis, so no effort is put in. plus they are all rich as fuck, so there is nothing to gain by risking your life in the desert. also the military there is probably the biggest nepo fest youve ever seen, so skill or work ethic arent important.
>>65443379>>Infamous video of a tank running over a Russian trench after it held up an infantry attack isn't relevantit actually shows how useless the tank is nowadays. ukies drove 2 tanks over nomans land and they struggled to get rid of a bunch of russians in a treeline trench. 1 tank fired multiple rounds at the trench with no effect and then had to basically come over and shoot them at point blank range and roll over the trench to kill them. the ukie tank got superlucky there were no mines there and the russians didnt have a rpg. also it happened in 2023, now that ukie tank would get swarmed with drones before it even reaches the frontline. recent ukie tank videos show them being used only when the weather is bad and visibility low, only then are tank operations at the front line possible.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TGjkYjFx2o
>>65444506https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/u-s-and-ukrainian-forces-went-head-to-head-in-an-exercise-ukraines-drones-won-cc3663d5
>>65444527The normal, by the book way would be for tanks to suppress the position while infantry closes in to take it out, yes.
>>65444480From the experience of Ukraine, the moment you're detected, the drone will cut through all the remaining layers of the onion, unless you're a turtle/porcupine tank.
>>65444547you would also have to suppress enemy artillery and find a way to keep the drones at bay for this to work.
>>65444559>>65444547and then you cant stay in the trench anyway, because any fixes defensive position will just become a target for glide bomb drops, so if we sum it all up for a tank assault to work you need:infantry coversuppressed enemy artillerysuppression of all enemy drones in the areaaerial superiority or at least heavy contested air space deep into enemy territoryand also optimally mobile mine detection and clearance.basically you can only operate tanks in a safely manner when you are vastly superior to the enemy already and basically dont need a tank anymore.
>>65444569begs the question, why would you want to deploy tank anymore ?everything they do can be done, better, cheaper and safer with drones
>>65444546>exercise
>>65444569If a tank can't survive until you've done all that, then what the fuck do you plan to send in instead of tanks that won't have to deal with enemy artillery, drones, infantry, and mines? Sitting back and bombing them until they give up doesn't really work too well as we've seen lately.
>>65444559>you would also have to suppress enemy artillery and find a way to keep the drones at bay for this to work.Yes? That's how war works, retard.>durr we can't do thatThen you won't be launching successful assaults.
>>65444688>Sitting back and bombing them until they give up doesn't really work too well as we've seen lately.id rather take a longer war with less casualties, than forcing a decisive ww2 style battle with millions of soldiers drafted and 600.000 casualties because you just have to advance to the enemy capital city no matter if you get ambushed and run into minefields all along the way. that worked in 1943 when people all had 10 kids and sacrificing a son or two basically didnt matter.
>>65444711>longer war with less casualties,Okay, but there's not many advances. The Ukraine war is huge but only has a few million casualties over 4+ years. As Russia you're choosing to continue a fruitless effort and maybe minimizing something that is very expensive. As Ukraine they're basically stuck fighting because none of the peace offers have been realistic. There's been no "white peace" freezing of current lines, only a demand that Ukraine surrender more to Russia with no guarantee that the war won't restart after losing a lot of territory at a much worse defensive position.
>>65444219>picture my delusionsno, dronenigger, you could ask that a thousand more times and people still would not do it.
>>65444711>a longer war with less casualtiesThat is a very funny thing to say. You're a funny guy. I'm sure iran is going to go belly up from the bombing any day now.
>>65444214>n-no they won't>b-but look at the OPi accept your concession.>r-remember my delusions where i imagined people boasting the abrams is invinciblethat's great dronenigger, but that's your delusions, not real life.
>>65444480it does not, dronenigger.
>>65444506and other fantasies you can tell yourself as a mentally ill dronenigger.
>>65444576no, no they can't, dronenigger.
>>65444721>As Russia you're choosing to continue a fruitless effortrussia has conquered a lot of territory already, if the war ends tomorrow with a frozen frontline, it will end with a gain for russia and a loss for ukraine. in 100 years nobody will give a fuck that a million russians died for it, or they will even honor their sacrifice and be proud of it or some bullshit like that. you just know this will go into their history books as them winning in a massive war against the entire west and russian nationalists in 2100 will bump their chests in pride of it.
>>65444757>Place Ukrainian drone units within range of unsupported NATO columns that would not be in range of said drone units in an actual war>Armored vehicles getting destroyed is somehow a surprising resultWow, it's almost as if exercises are exercises meant to test a specific thing instead of trying to force a win Van Riper style.
>>65444757>s-silence!>NOOOO STOP MAKING FUN OF MEEEEE!lol dronenigger.you people keep spamming sensationalist headlines about wargames because you are literally sub-90 IQ.if you actually read any of the reports it stands completely at odds with the tabloid slop you keep spamming.
>>65444772>r-russia has conquered a lot of bombed out useless territory with no population that they cannot use or rebuild and it only cost them 1.5 million people plus everyone who left russia because of mobilisation!>russian nationalists>2100there won't be a russia in 2100.
>>65444833>n-no you're raging and seething not me!i don't believe you.>n-noooo engage with my argument for the so manieth timedon't need to, you droneniggers already spammed a dozen threads about this topic a few weeks ago, and you lost the argument every single time.wargames are not a contest to see who wins, that's not how they're structured, they also, often, intentionally set one side up for failure to see what they are capable of and what they learn being put in the worst possible position.your inability or unwillingness to understand these simple facts is why you keep losing this argument and why you keep spamming threads like these desperately hoping for reality itself to change at your behest.
>>65444772ofc no one will care about all the dead russians. do you think they care about them now?it is the not caring that keeps fucking them over. russia already has more land than it can settle and exploit with it's current population. and now it's throwing away what it needs for what it already has arguably to much of.so keep shilling for a grave cosplaying als a country
>>65444826>Immediately changes subjectKek, fuel aside, did you even calculate how long it would take for a drone to reach Washington DC?
so, in conclusion, from this thread we learned that:tanks are not obsolete.drones will be used alongside tanks and anti-drone countermeasures to enable mobile warfare.ukraine is not representative of "how war works now" and is a result of initial conditions.everyone is still buying tanks, buying counter UAS, and droneniggers keep lying and saying the west isn't adopting drones themselves.and that droneniggers are mostly underage.
>>65444848>l-lol, k-keep seethingi would have to start to begin with, you should take your own advice.>g-good luck on the battlefieldoh you're the dronenigger that keeps strawmanning and pretending the west isn't responding to drones, i get it.
>>65444851Oh no, go right on ahead. I'm sure it's a brilliant idea.
>>65444851>s-scared alreadyyour extremely desperate attempts to sound smug are so funny, holy shit.
>>65444865>>65444859>>65444851Wow, 2 of them with the exact same script. What a coincidence.
>>65444866>by [fanfiction that lives inside my head]the US didn't do that, kiddo.>i-it doesn't!!!!!yeah, it does, drones are being intergrated into the US military, people are working on anti-drone defenses for ground vehicles as well.you are in denial of this or simply pissy about it, like some sort of hormonal teenager, because reality doesn't support your fantasy that everything needs to be drones.sorry kid, you weren't ahead of the curve, and those years spent stroking your own ego were all for nothing, now get over it.
>>65444859>>65444851woah, dronenigger bot glitched out lmao.someone come fix this bot.
>>65444850>everyone is still buying tankswho buys which tanks?aside from poland and germany nobody buys new mbts. and germany only does it because they have rheinmetall at home. there are drones flying over german bases every month and the germans havent downed a single one of them sofar, but they buy new leo2 tanks.
>>65444881>Links to a thread which already debunked the false narrativeThanks for confirming that it was, in fact, a shill thread.
>>65444880you did this last time i told you this, known dronenigger.i said everyone's still buying drones. you asked for sauce, i gave you the sauce, and then you ignored it and kept asking and then ultimately rejected reality. why would i bother? you know everyone is still buying tanks, on the order of thousands, and you have no argument but to screech>b-but i don't believe u!these procurement announcements are all over the web, i'm not going to spoonfeed you a second time, stop sperging out you fucking weirdo.>aside from poland and germany wrong.>g-germany only does i-it b-becausebecause they want tanks, just like everyone else who isn't poland and germany that's also buying tanks.it was fun humiliating you a second time, dronenigger, but you really should stop seething THIS hard about a topic you understand nothing about.
>>65443285This armor configuration is very well-conceived. You can see the engineering team took the need for passive air cooling into account, with the frontal cavity. That surface area also serves as a temperature sensor, as well as expedient diagnostic (you can feel for her synthetic heartbeat), merely by hand (no gloves).
>>65444881>it's the random seething about trump bot againkek.i don't actually like trump and it's becoming extremely obvious for even me now how inorganic this poster is, just spams the same catchphrases randomly all over /k/ in any and every thread without any cause or reason.
>>65444887*everyone's still buying tanks.
>>65444886>which already debunked the false narrativedid you even read the article?
>>65444901Did you read anything other than the headlines?
oh yeah it's the 1930's again>these aircraft carrier are only useful to help our battleship to find enemy battleships, no way battleship could ever be supplanted by these puny planes this thread will be a laugh to read in 10 years
>>65444906>n-no you're mindbroken because your laughing at my completely incomprehensible spamming and seething!no lol, i don't think you understand what that little catchphrase word means, you just copied it because that's what all the organic board users say.you don't belong on this website, you are inorganic.
>>65444929Here's a test. Which brigade was the experimental battalion drawn from? What was their original role before being assigned as an experimental unit? Since you read the article I'm sure you can answer these 2 simple questions correctly.
>>65444917>N-NOOOOOOOOOOOOO IT'S JUST LIKE CARRIERS>IF I JUST MAKE THE SAME INCOMPATIBLE HISTORICAL COMPARISON FOR THE 200TH TIME I WILL FINALLY STOP LOSING THE ARGUMENT!no, no you won't, dronenigger.you spammed this narrative for approximately 6 hours in your previous shill thread, and it still didn't make tanks obsolete.>h-hahahaha i-i w-will laughno you won't, your level of obsession with this board and your desperate attempts to push a narrative points to a very unhappy existence. you are not on 4chan to have fun, you are on 4chan to seethe and spread a narrative that confirms your powerful personal investment in le drone revolution.
>>65444917OK. Come back in 10 years. 2036. I'll be here, if this board is still around.
>>65444933>thirdie goes into completely incomprehensible braindeath modeyou're now not even saying anything that could be construed as having meaning, just foaming at the mouth.
>>65444935>more sperging your should take your meds, it's embarrassing
>>65444935Can't wait for Trump drafting you and sending to star in a FPV Kino.
>>65444942>n-no you're sperging>n-no i won't read what you're saying because you're right and i have no counter to it!!!!i accept your concession, you will keep coming back after losing the same argument over and over again and people will keep laughing at you, mentally ill, obsessed and known dronenigger.
>>65443319It failed because Ukraine had no answer to KA-52 spamming ATGMs at them from behind enemy lines.
>>65444943>randomly bringing up trump againi accept your concession, you have hereby admitted and conceded that drones are not the end all be all of warfare, that the US is adapting to drones and integrating them, and that you have completely ran out of bad-faith arguments to spam.
>>65444946So it was always meant to end at some point and was never meant to be a permanent assignment. Good to see you're finally being honest.
>>65444803What would be "supported" NATO columns then?
>>65444949>n-no u!i accept your concession.
>>65444957NATO columns where Ukie drone teams first have to run the whole gauntlet of NATO ISR assets before getting into range of said columns, obviously.
All I know is that the military complex industry is making bank and I want to side with the winners, I should get into private defense companies.
so in conclusion:>Droneniggers: bad-faith arguments, gotcha arguments, appeals to emotion, politically adjacent seething, incompatible, arbitrary historical comparisons, repeating the same things in every thread and "j-just you wait in 10 years i'll be laughing at you!!!">normal people: looking at what countries are actually doing and procuring to prepare for the next wardroneniggers lost. sadly, incomprehensible screeching is no substitute for actual arguments.
>>65444893>>65444887so how many mbts are the american buying right now? how many new abrams get produced each month that are not destined for poland?0 zero nada. they produce 15 abrams pre month in 1 single factory and those go to poland and once that order from poland is done, they will produce 0 new abrams. and apart from that its just modernization of existing tanks going on. same in korea, they build k2s for poland but dont buy a single one for themselves. ive heard some euros want in on the new leo2 variant, but none of that is fixed yet. most likely it will just be modernisation of existing hulls.
>>65444980>the U.S. is transitioning its main battle tank procurement toward the upcoming M1E3 Abrams, which replaces the canceled M1A2 SEPv4 program. Concurrently, the Army is buying transitional M1A2 SEPv3 tanks at a reduced rate and procuring the light-weight M10 Booker fire-support combat vehicle for infantry units.i accept your concession.the US is buying tankseurope is buying tankschina is buying tanksaustralia is buying tanksjapan is buying tankssorry dronenigger, everyone is buying tanks.
>>65444980>i heard>want inno, they are buying it, numerous different countries ARE buying it, dronenigger.this is why nobody takes you seriously, you literally CANNOT be honest for even one sentence.>n-none of that is fixed yet!!oblivious speculation and cope.
>>65444980>The newest main battle tank variant, the Leopard 2A8, has been ordered or selected by several European nations through framework agreements with manufacturer KNDS. Countries that have placed firm orders or committed to purchasing this latest configuration include Germany, the Czech Republic, Norway, Lithuania, and the Netherlands, with additional interest and intent shown by countries like Croatia and Swedenand that is short-term immediate future orders, not the amount of tanks that all of these nations have literally pledged they will buy to rebuild their tank fleets over the course of the next 30 or more years, from germany or other vendors.you are grasping at fucking straws lol.
>>65444998give the dronenigger a break, he can't handle being this absolutely blown the fuck out.>>65445001>lose argument after argument over and over again throughout thread and previous threads>don't win at all>claim you are winning anywaythe dronenigger brain, ladies and gentlemen.
>>65444988>australia is buying tanksaustralia cancelled the order for 75 new abrams in 2023, youre not up to date >japanno exports at all im not sure if they produce new hulls>chinayeah forgot about them, they have some production of new hulls and even some exports, but i think they are mostly doing cheap stuff that is expected to get blown up.
>>65445012>no exportsthat's not exactly abnormal for japan.they continue to produce and buy their own tanks, however.>china>well i don't like tanks so china must be buying tanks CYNICALLY!do you read your own posts?
>>65445007>>65444998those are just the replacements for the mbts that got gifted to the ukies and in much smaller number than the initial stock.
>>65445019wrong.
>>65445054Kek, the bot is glitching out again.
>>65444963How would NATO ISR spot them when Ukies are literally hiding in underground bunkers 10-20km away?
>>65445062Someone could apply like a 90's hip-hop song generator algo to a glitchy turdworld shill, or glitchy LLM stream, and get lulz.>>65445054 is a prime example>surrneender US to IRanCUZ YOU BETTA SURRENDA, WAR'S A NEVVA-ENDA;U-S AIN'T USWHEN I RAN WITHOUT A PLAN>donesticmestic politics presussure.ORANGE DONESTIC,GONE AND MADE A MESS-TIC,HAD TO PUT IT TO THE TEST-ITPRESS-U GOTTA BE SURE,OIL GONNA RE-SHORE>Inclsuuding draft and biotsbootsBUT THE BIOTS' BOOTSHOLD THE RIOTS' ROOTS,WHEN THE INCLUDE-SALUTINGBRING ELECTION REVOLUTING
>>65445121Think anon, how did they even build and get into those underground bunkers within 10-20km of a NATO armored column to begin with?
>>65445138With shovels. Then wait when columns run into them.See Iran's strategy if underground missiles bases
>>65445154Yes, and Iran is still waiting for that ground invasion that will never come while continuing to be pounded by air assets and cruise missiles. You can't sit in your bunker forever if your supply lines are getting hit nonstop, and the moment you decide to retreat with your stack of 100 FPVs in your car is when that entire armored column comes barreling down at you.
>>65445138>Think anon, how did they even build and get into those underground bunkers within 10-20km of a NATO armored column to begin with?Because they were built since the conflict started back in 2014?
>>65445169Then everyone and their mother would know exactly where they are, and following standard NATO doctrine, cease to exist in short order. You simply win by not playing.
>>65442702>to even resembleYou mean vastly outpace, given Desert Storm did it all in a miniscule fraction the time, and the killing only stopped due to lack of further targets.
>>65445165>armoured columns in the age of the FPV drones Kino.
>>65445286Good luck flying FPV drones out of the back seat of your repurposed civilian car half starved and delirious from thirst while retreating as fast as you can from said armored column with the remnants of the battered unit you're attached to while the entire area is getting relentlessly pounded by JDAMs. Obviously that's not very useful for the purposes of an exercise so they just let you set up, hide yourself and drove the armored column towards you so you can pretend this is how a war with NATO would be like.
>>65443241Same reason they don't mention the massed drone attacks during the GWOT, its not about the actual capabilities or usage of cheap massed cope missiles. Its about Russia getting clowned on and other armies that cannot into combined arms seeing cheap and spammable as the end all be all of warfare. Literally too much ego to think maybe Russia wasn't "the #2 army of the world" so that must mean their record against drones translates to actual militaries.
>>65445286>t-the age of FPV droneslol droneniggers.
>>65445207the killing stopped because we literally felt bad, the highway of death could have been even more dead but schwartskopf literally called off additional bombing because>now we're just being mean, let them retreat guys if we continue bombing this absolutely BTFO retreating column of iraqi troops we will unironically look like cartoon villains on TV.
>>65445371damn, you're right, i forgot all about poobar's party.
>>65443419And they still got caught with their pants down during the initial invasion even after multiple "hey guys Ivan is getting jumpy" warnings from America. The only reason they threw off Russia's tempo is because Russia went off half cocked and Ukraine received multiple years worth of total GDP in military aid to throw at the advance. Once you lose momentum and the defenders get to dig in you aren't going to regain it especially without the logistical capability and manpiwer to wastefully overwhelm the defending party. Ukraine found this out during their "armored thrust" failure, Russia found this out in Bakhmut and is still finding this out today. Ukraine is only "the most experienced" army in the planet when it comes to this particular form of attrition combat where neither side moves and just hurles drones at singular soldiers or energy infrastructure to make the civilians hurt. Nothing here translates much to other militaries because nothing here is useful for taking land or translates to combined arms. Neither Ukraine or Russia has any hope of unseating their opponents and seem to have resigned themselves to just outlasting the suck until oneside crumbles and the "winner" can claim a bunch of useless wasteland that will bleed them dry over the coming decades.
>>65445413>It's pointless>Don't resist>Ukraine should just make peace now>NATO help was worthless>There's nothing NATO can learn from thisYou're not even subtle
>>65442225>NO, DON"T DISCUSS WEAPONS ON LE WEAPONS BOARD
