Bought this for self-defense purposes. Anyone have an idea what model this is and in what year it was produced?
>>65449288>phillips head
Judging by the quality, that is some kind of blank gun, and it will not do anything at all for self-defense.
>>65449401Well, I guess he could try to drill up/replace the barrel and turn it into a real (but shitty) gun.
>>65449401So I got scammed? I don't know much about guns. I bought it from the local mafia guy because there are people who want to kill me because of blood feud.
ChatGPT says serial number is too long. T380000 is the upper limit. This shit ist definitely fake then?
>>65449475Did you get any ammunition with it? Press the button on the side behind the trigger, that releases the magazine, take it out and take a picture of it.
its not a real fn hipower.its possibly still a real gun, though if it does shoot real bullets its some knockoff bullshit or a converted blank gun. mostlikely its just a gunshaped object
>>65449504Dedicated blank guns converted to live ammo generally aren't good, but they might work for a bit.
>>65449496>white fingersWtf?
pull the mag and post the mag and bullets preferably with a ruler or something for scale
>>65449515>>65449499
>>65449541its probably real. definitely a knockoff. kyberpass style bullshit. though who made its is anybodys guess. it will survive the amount of ammo you were given.
pencil test the gun.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsMm4m8L_Fkmake sure its emptyget a pen/pencil chopstick and drop it down the barrelpull triggerpencil should moveif it doesnt it might have been off center and you can try again.if nothing happens you have no firing pin or a broken firing pin.if it passes the pencil test then it means it will fire at least 1 bullet. who knows if it will cycle being a knockoff but it gives you an idea if it will work.
Beeing scammed feels bad man. That Fake Shit cost me a whole month's salary.
>>65449475Wff bro you're living in the sopranos or something
Go shoot it somewhere, get at least mildly practiced with it because it would be a shame to need it only to find out it doesn't work
>>65449288It really looks like a homemade gun that they built around a Browning hi-power slide.
>>65449597if you just asked for a gun any working gun he delivered. if you thought it was a real made in an actual factory gun you got scammed.it looks like it would work and enough care was put into making it look like something else that it probably wont explode.
>>65449611its not a hipower slide none of them have that squared off rear somebody went nuts with the stamps.if i had to guess its a mechanically its a tokarev knockoff with cosmetic hipower shape changes
>>65449599that sucks. I don't even have contact with my family and I get pulled into this medieval shit anyway. I was attacked two times already and thought I will die. the rival family made it very clear to me that they want to put me under the earth. the gendarmerie doesn't want to help me either. so I have to take it in my own hands.
>>65449509he's a thirdie, see>>65449639>gendarmeriethere are zero first world countries with a gendarmerie>>65449288>>65449475philips head screws are not a sign of quality on a gun
>>65449597Go shoot the scammer. If it kills him, well, you didn't get scammed and you can tell his ghost sorry, my mistake.
OP is the whitest Pakistani to ever set foot in Khyber Pass.
>>65449628>its not a hipower slide none of them have that squared off rearGood point, I was noticing the front part, but the back part does look different.
>>65449652>there are zero first world countries with a gendarmerieI guess France just got downgraded then. But fair is fair.
the reason im saving tokarev based is the mag looks like a 9mm tokarev mag. its singlestack. not the doublestack of a hipower the extractor looks the same and is in the same location.the gun has no way to lock the slide open.
>>65449607The mafia guy gave me 19 bullets. I already shot some for practice, but just in the air. The gun was very loud. I couldn't hear anything on my right ear for a time. I still have 7 bullets. Tomorrow I will shoot at an object for the first time to see if the gun makes damage. I still need to think about how to do it best.
>>65449803Get some more bullets from the Mafia guy. You'll want a full magazine in case those guys come after you. You should also keep practicing shooting. Find some ear plugs for practicing
>>65449803Cover your ears bigger and buy more bullets hitting a target isn't as easy as the movies
>>65449541its single stack ?weird
>>65449803yeah thats a tok based knockoff. tt and 1911s are the only things using that style of barrel bushing.its got nothing in common with a hipower except the profile.
>>65449541>sarYou gotta be meming me
>>65449803Are you stupid?Don't shoot every bullet you have idiot, leave yourself a full mags worth What good is an empty gun?But some more ammo from your mafia guy and ask if he could get another magazine for it as well
>>65449692They aren't the ones having mass food recalls for salmonella and e.coli though...
>>65449288considering it is a fake weapon. I guess you would throw it at them LOL
>>65450032well the recalls for salmonella are actually from imports from Mexico where they use human shit for fertilizer as most of the recalls in the US are for imported goods.
>>65450056Honestly the horsemeat thing was a giant nothingburger because the meat was tested and found safe in all respectsPeople just didn't know it was horsemeat the eating of which is taboo in some gay countries here
>>65450032From IMPORTED produce.
>>65450238You're supposed to have testing. The reason why Europe doesn't let you ship meat is because you don't fucking test it.
>>65450243Yeah I think not eating horse meat is gayThere's umpteen different cultures here though and some of them think eating it is gay, some don't
>>65450256We're not immune to kikes doing kike shitBut widespread testing is how we found out, you would have eaten it and been none the wiser lol
>>65449288godspeed, poor anoni saw your previous replies, and i wish you well
>>65450276No because feeding them bone meal was banned eventually due to BSE concerns, I mean, hell, the US only banned it in 2009. The BSE and horse meat scandals both disproportionately affected the bongs, which leads me to think it's those islands that fucked up
Browning hipower.
>>65450383You must have a small phone
>>65450372dude, considering all the food safety recalls the US had had to deal with just this year I wouldn't be throwing bricks there's several people that shat themselves to death because a US mega agri business failed to provide porta potties to their field hands
>>65450413>germany had a diarrhea outbreak in 2002>German outbreak; 42 cases, 0 fatalities>US outbreak; 15000 cases, 2 fatalitieslol, lmao even
>>65449803Anon, PLEASE buy some earplugs at least if you’re going to shoot. Your ears are very important. You only get one set, and gunshots from a pistol like that typically can exceed over 155-160 decibels. That’s plenty to permanently and instantly damage your ears. Ideally, you want to get earplugs and over the ear pro. We call it “doubling up” when you wear both.Also if your life is in danger, please seek Jesus, man. If you think you’re about to die, just call on Jesus, man. Please.
>>65450425If he's being hunted by the mob, I doubt hearing loss is the most pressing problem here
>>65449652>>65449692>Switzerland is a third world country
>>65450476its filled with the swiss, so yes
>>65450476>Switzerland is a third world countryConsidering that they were officially non-aligned, yes. That term didn't refer to economic status.
>>65449509there is no way someone in his situation could be whitehes a mudshit of some sort, some north african subhuman if i had to guess
>>65450529or worse, a slav
>>65450536nah, him talking about "family feuds" and "rival families" is peak mudslime behavior
>>65450549Likely Albanian (also mudslime)
What are you, a gyppo? That's exactly the kind of shit they would use. A fake gun made in some basement out of a start pistol or something. Also>blood feudI wouldn't trust that to not blow on my face.
>>65449475Isn't it easier to bomb or burn these enemies?
>>65450413I have a diarrhea outbreak every morning
>>65450476>>Switzerland is a third world country
>>65449599Rural Balkans would be my guess. Organized crime aplenty, and actual blood feuds were a big problem in Albania in particular, although I thought it was a thing of the past
I was in a lonely place and shot on objects for the first time in my life. One time on rock(Pic related) and one time on a tree trunk. Man the last weeks I hardly left the apartment and looked straight out of the window like a paranoid person at every small sound. Now I feel more safe.I have five bullets left. Later I will go to next city and try to find ammunition, which will not be easy without a license. The local mafia guy wants 5000 TRY for 20 bullets, that is too expensive for me.
>>65450812>5000 TRY for 20 bulletsSo your either a Turk or in a country nearby where turkish money is used. That's about $100 USD for 20 rounds, which would be a ripoff if not for countries that don't have a second amendment. Good luck turkanon, I hope you don't have to use your pistol in anger and I recommend you save the last few rounds you have until you get more.
>>65450813Thanks, Anon. I live in a small shithole named Tomarza. The next gendarmerie station is 40km away. In an emergency the gendarmerie needs 30 minutes to come here and then they complain because you make them '"unnecessary work". One even said he hopes one of us finally kills the other, so one goes to the grave and the other to prison and there is finally peace kek
>>65450841If you did have to shoot someone, what sort of legal trouble would you be in? All I know about turkish prisons is from Lawrence of Arabia kek.
>>65449475>>65449288>blood feud>hairy arms>piece of shit handgunmohammeds keep moving this is an american neighborhood
>>65450476It is by the definition of the terms. It was neutral, uninvolved in the East v West, First v Second world cold war.
>>65449541Alright, that certainly LOOKS like real ammunition, so what you have there is most likely some 9mm P.A.K caliber blank gun which has been converted to .380 Auto (called 9mm Browning Short in Europe).This will probably work as a weapon if you absolutely have to, but don't expect it to last for a long time if you do, these things are generally made of cheap and soft steels and never meaning to stand up to the pressures of live ammo. That is, assuming that they properly replaced (maybe sleeved) the barrel so that it's a decent steel tube. A proper replacement barrel (even if made from just seamless steel tube) will hold, but the recoil of live ammo will beat up on a blank pistol pretty quickly, so I wouldn't expect it to last longer than, say, 50 rounds before it starts to give.I would not expect it to have a rifled bore, so this thing is not going to have much accuracy for very far, the bullets are gonna come out and then start tumbling in the air, so if you have to shoot at someone, do it under 10yds. If it DOES have a rifled bore (which isn't actually very hard to produce these days), then it'd be better off, but shooting handguns is frankly kind of hard for a novice, so you'd want to try to use it at 10yds at most anyway.>>65449593Do the pencil test, yeah. Also, with the gun empty, shine a light down the barrel so we can see if it's rifled or not.>>65449597It actually looks real (enough), so you might be able to count on it if you really have to. Honestly though, if you've made enemies with organized criminals, you should consider skipping town if you're able.
>>65449599Organized crime of all kinds is a real thing out there in the world.If he was really in a Sopranos situation, as in he was in New York, he'd be able to get a real gun pretty easily, even legally.>>65449612It's not high quality, but it seems to in fact be a functioning weapon.>>6544962899% chance that it's one of those dedicated blankfire guns chambered for 9mm P.A.K, it might be manufactured in Turkey, Serbia, Romania, etc. The Fabrique Nationale marking on it MIGHT actually be properly licensed from FN in Belgium.If you do it right, you can convert SOME 9mm P.A.K guns to .380 Auto, many years ago I saw a YouTube video by some Eastern European who had rebarreled one of these Zoraki 925 blank machinepistols, and sure as shit, it was firing live bullets (dangerously ricocheting against his concrete basement floor).These days, 3D printers make it really easy to make electrochemical rifling jigs, so you could take a good and seamless drawn steel tube in 9mm, rifle it, then cut it in half and cut a chamber on each half, to make two pistol barrels. So, OP's converted pistol MIGHT be rifled even.
>>65449288Why would you buy a gun if you don't know what it is?
>>65449639You're saying you don't have any contact with your family? In that case, you REALLY want to consider packing your belongings and moving to another town, this kind of shit can get very ugly and you want to stay out of it.The pistol can help you in an emergency (you're correct to not trust cops to help you, they aren't good at that even in western countries, unless you're rich), but you want to avoid meeting these crooks again if you can help it. It sucks to flee, but better to be alive.>>65449652They have "Gendarmerie" in places like France and Switzerland. What they are I think varies from country to country, but in France they are kind of like a subset of police who generally deal with non-violent stuff. They weren't even carrying guns until very recently.>>65451374Because he's targeted by organized criminals, apparently. He's related to the wrong people, basically, and police aren't helping him, so he needs to do SOMETHING to protect himself, man can't just lie down and die.
>>65449652>philips head screws are not a sign of quality on a gunThey're not, this is probably a converted blank gun, but it will probably hold up and work for a short while.>>65449686It COULD be a Tokarev magazine, they fit and feed 9mm Parabellum without modification, so I imagine that 9mm P.A.K. and .380 Auto would work as well. If the pistol is manufactured in Eastern Europe, it would make economical sense to use locally made Tokarev magazines to save on costs.Potentially, it's not a Tokarev mag but it's made on the same tooling.>>65449803>The mafia guy gave me 19 bullets. That's something.>I already shot some for practice, but just in the air. Careful with that, what goes up comes down, if you hit and injure someone nearby that's trouble you don't want. A safe place to test against would be the side of a grassy hill or something, soft dirt. Avoid test shooting against pavement or concrete and brick walls, bullets can bounce.>The gun was very loud. Guns are very loud, yeah.>I still have 7 bullets. Hold on to those.>Tomorrow I will shoot at an object for the first time to see if the gun makes damage. If the ammo you got is all the same as in the video, it definitely will, I don't think you need to test it.If you can, consider getting a license for a hunting shotgun or something to keep at home, ideally with buckshot, but even strong loads of birdshot can be deadly. Still strongly suggesting you move from the area if you can.>>65449814Generally agree, but I want to stress that converted blank guns aren't gonna be long lived, so you don't want to wear out the gun before you need to use it.
>>65451147He could just as well be some Vladislav or Mijalovic or something.
>>65450841>I live in a small shithole named Tomarza. The next gendarmerie station is 40km away. In an emergency the gendarmerie needs 30 minutes to come here Lmfao, that's unironically better than me here in Sweden, I could expect like twice that response time. Roughly about as useful otherwise though.Not even a modern problem either, cops always sucked really bad here. Our prime minister was once shot and killed on an open street in broad daylight, and they COMPLETELY buttfucked that investigation from top to bottom.>>65449661Turks can be pretty fairskinned, and Turkey is MUCH less inbred than countries like Pakistan, and considerably less than Iran or Saudi Arabia, so I'm willing to give just random Turks a lot more benefit of the doubt.
>>65449842It's really not even based on the 1911 or Tokarev directly, almost certainly has an unlocked breech, and it doesn't have either's slide disassembly setup. It has a barrel bushing, which is what you expect from a 1911 and Tokarev primarily, but you would also see them on a Smith & Wesson Model 39, and their later Model 52, 59, etc.It doesn't have the 1911's weird spring tube setup for the safety lever, nor does it have the Tokarev's weird retention clip for the slidestop, and I doubt it has the Tokarev's P210/MAS35 style unitized hammer and spring assembly, nor the 1911's mainspring housing. It's rather just a vague amalgamation of Browning style pistol design, possibly using some real pistol tooling in some aspects.>>65450425He's a Turk, so I assume he's more likely to turn towards Allah.>>65450812>The local mafia guy wants 5000 TRY for 20 bullets, that is too expensive for me.Honestly, you're gonna have to go for it, sell something if you have to. Sourcing proper factory made ammunition like that in a country where most people can't have a license for a pistol is gonna be difficult, and I doubt you're gonna find it for much better prices even if you can find another guy who sells it. Consider that you aren't a gun person, are you sure that if you find another guy, that you are going to get the correct .380 / 9mm Short ammo, and that you won't get 9mm Parabellum or 9mm Makarov ammunition, neither which would fit in your gun? You're really not in a great situation here, but your life is on the line here, you can make more money later.Speaking of which, try to apply for a shotgun license later.Also, do NOT take out a loan with any of these people, you do NOT want to be in debt with guys like that, it's risky enough to just buy from them.
>>65450476Considering half the country willingly speaks French, yes absolutely. Same reason I think we should carpet bomb Canada and liberate Belgium from itself (frankly to save the French half for ourselves since that's where the good beer comes from ime)
>>65451480>He's a Turk, so I assume he's more likely to turn towards Allah.Doesn’t matter. There is no other God but Jesus Christ.
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>>65451494chimay is mid
>>65451368Why would the barrel have matching serial to the frame if it was converted and rebarreled from a blank gun? It has to be an original purpose firearm its just a knockoff.
>>65449288>Bought this for self-defense purposes.you dont have to lie to us anon
>>65450476The Swiss combine the worst aspects of the French and Germans into an unholy sub-race, yes. The Swiss are unironically more reliant on ursury and jewry than the Jews.
>>65451720>>65451724>>65451728>deleted all the posts mocking the third world islamic caliphate of yurop, but left up the anti American postsYeah I'm starting to think your posts got deleted for a different reason.
the tisas factory
>>65451656>Why would the barrel have matching serial to the frame if it was converted and rebarreled from a blank gun?Black market gun dealers might add fake markings to guns to make shit look like something it's actually not.Or, maybe it really is a bored out and adapted original barrel, in which case I would definitely not fire it a lot.
>>65451560Sure, but don't expect the average Turk to recognize that.
>>65451425>Our prime minister was once shot and killed on an open street in broad daylight, and they COMPLETELY buttfucked that investigation from top to bottom.Palme deserved what he got, the leftie fuck.
>>65451940I agree, but I still think it's a good example at how comically dogshit polisen are. Biggest crime in modern Swedish history, and they blew EVERY SINGLE LEAD AND CLUE THEY POSSIBLY HAD.
OPs cops are pretty based. >let these small time retards end each other. >fuck driving 30 mins to babysit them all the time.
>>65450812Im from yahyalı myself.pistol is fine for your carry needs, I used to buy them 2 or 3 piece at times when prices were a bit normal. What you need is a couple shotguns, you can buy the smoothbore ammo from any hunting shop without permits. Pistol and rifle ammunition is restricted , shotgun shells are not. For pistol ammunition, ask cops instead, a a bit of discretion goes a long way. I am not joking, most of them are gambling addicts, they sell their own ammo all the time. Disregard the snobby and snotty imbeciles here going on about "hurrr durr its not a real gun mohamed" .
>>65451592You take that back
>>65449288This is the funniest shit i've seen in at least a year goodluck OP hope you survive
>>65451380>but in France they are kind of like a subset of police who generally deal with non-violent stuff. They weren't even carrying guns until very recently.what? I thought French Gendarmerie was a heavily armed Military Police force.
>>65452622>Disregard the snobby and snotty imbeciles here going on about "hurrr durr its not a real gun mohamed" .Well it looks like it would violently disassemble itself the moment you need it most
>>65451918Unfortunately, you have a good point.
>>65452953Still its better than nothing.I am sure he could've found a .32 kirikkale or vzor on black market but he is not gun savvy and under duress. You gotta do with what you got. Besides those simple pistols are tend to be surprisingly well made. He could ask around , I can guarantee some of his neighbors keep a couple unregistered shotguns. Its very common and fines are relatively cheaper.
OP, ask yourself, who's Bad?You Bad? THEY AIN'T NOTHIN!This is your time. This is you changing the river of Chronos to set your sail to glory.Find their hideout and KILL THEM ALL. Set fire to all the back exits and run around the front mowing down every man woman and child that runs from the fire.TWO TO THE FACE.Start your own mafia.Stop living like some kinda schmuck who won't take something. Have some balls kid. It's yours if you just TAKE it.
here's your music:https://youtu.be/Sd4SJVsTulc?si=Wkr80NjlhCB1fmXs
>>65452937I might be mixing them up with another part of their LEOs, now that you're saying it.>>65452622You can still legally get shotguns in Turkey I'm pretty sure, so while he can keep the illegal converted pistol secretly, he can also openly get a pump-action shotgun pretty easily, and it'd be worth his time if he gets attacked in his home. Shotguns (with stocks!) are way easier to shoot and are way more powerful than pistols. No.4 Buckshot is ideal for a home defense shotgun.>>65452953Oh, no mistake, this thing isn't built to last, especially for this. Again, converted blank pistol. However, it's gonna hold up for a bit of use, and that'll probably be enough for what he needs.
>>65453462Used to convert blank guns for friends etc. Only .32 and .380, never 9mm para. Long story short, most parabellum ammo you gonna find on black market is rated +P so you are right on durability aspect. Like I said before, its good for his needs for the time being at least. He should ask around his neighbors if anyone keeping a unregistered shotgun, they are common as hell around Kayseri.
>>65449597Should’ve bought a Glock 17 bro
>>65453972An actual factory service pistol like that, and in good condition, is going to be shitloads more expensive on the black market, the dealers he interacted with may not even have one.>>65453942>most parabellum ammo you gonna find on black market is rated +P so you are right on durability aspectI'm assuming that it's stolen 9mm NATO ammo.
>>65454168>An actual factory service pistol like that, and in good condition, is going to be shitloads more expensive on the black market, the dealers he interacted with may not even have one.Don't know how things work down in Turkey or Balkanistan, but in Western Europe, a good service pistol like a Glock can cost up to 5 grand on the black market. It's probably a lot cheaper if you're a career criminal with connections, but I wouldn't expect them to go for less than 2 grand.Even a remarkably shitty old surplus pistol, like a Yugo Tokarev-clone is 2 or 3 grand unless you've got connections.Counterfeit pistols made especially for the black market, like the one OP got his hands on are cheaper. As far as I can tell, most of them are made in Turkey but I think there have been a few machine-pistols made in Croatia too.Then there's the bottom of the barrel option, blank-firing pistols modified to fire live ammo. They're extremely unreliable and many of them don't even have rifled barrels.They're on par with literal DIY pipe-guns in terms of how shit they are.They're less common, but there are also "rattlers" being used by organized crime groups.These are basic handmade SMGs, built in small batches for the black market.Usually modified Luty or STEN-type designs, but there are MAC-10 and Swedish-K clones too. Quality and reliability are highly inconsistent for obvious reasons. Some look almost factory made, others are visibly bad.No idea what they're worth, probably whatever a customer is willing to pay.
>>65454168Used to be. Before 2015, legal limit for keeping ammunition by law enforcement personnel was 250 rounds, 50 of it were issued by government, remainin 200 were up to them for purchase. They used to keep 2 magazines full for themselves and sell the rest , apart from that it was either confiscated ammo got "destroyed" or stolen straight from depots / smuggled out of factories. Now that limit is increased to a thousand rounds so finding ammo became much, much easier if you hang out with right people.
>>65454168>I'm assuming that it's stolen 9mm NATO ammo.Supposedly much of it is old SMG ammo, loaded to +p+ spec, not suited for use in any pistols but the very strongest ones.Such ammo usually has very hard primers, so it's liable to be unreliable in most pistols too.
>>65453942Why exactly does everyone have an illegal handgun in Turkey and why do you all keep having blood feudsI recall some dude having a legal RP46 or something just because his family was involved in some tribal warfare shit
>>65454226>Counterfeit pistols made especially for the black market, like the one OP got his hands on are cheaper.In Finland these things basically don't exist, but thanks to the EU, your mocros and gypsies fucked our laws too. Not that our law wasn't already fucked though
>>65454242>why do you all keep having blood feudsDon't make me say it.
>>65454249They started arriving in Scandinavia and the Baltic states 2 or 3 years ago.And now they've only gotten more common since then.Supposedly the EU feds tried to negotiate with Turkish authorities to stop the production of these things but only got a bunch of empty promises in return.
>>65454226>Don't know how things work down in Turkey or Balkanistan, but in Western Europe, a good service pistol like a Glock can cost up to 5 grand on the black market. That's how it is here, as I understand.>Then there's the bottom of the barrel option, blank-firing pistols modified to fire live ammo. They're extremely unreliable and many of them don't even have rifled barrels.I'm pretty confident that this is what OP actually has. Many don't have rifled barrels, but it's actually pretty easy to make a rifled pistol caliber barrel with modern tools, so I'd expect that to be more common nowadays. There are black market factories converting blank guns, and it would be a pretty easy step to add to production.Reliability and durability is usually not gonna be great, but they also aren't expected to shoot a triple digit number of rounds anyway.>Some look almost factory madeBecause some of them actually basically are. The Agram 2000 is an infamous one that came out of Croatia's independence war, and then you have these R9 Arms machine pistols, which are very consistent in production quality, and which has to come from a pretty sophisticate illegal factory somewhere.
>>65450476I like how “allied with the US during the Cold War” became synonymous with whether that country is a total shithole or not and I love how it actually is largely correlational
>>65454357>then you have these R9 Arms machine pistols, which are very consistent in production quality, and which has to come from a pretty sophisticate illegal factory somewhere.Those are the Croatian machine pistols I was talking about.As far as I know, they were manufactured by the family of the man responsible for the Agram 2000.
>>65454357>I'm pretty confident that this is what OP actually has.blank guns attempt to replicate somethingcounterfeit homemade guns attempt to sell themselves on their features a converted blank gun wouldnt have all the bullshit proofmarks clearly hand punch serial numbers or fingergrooves built into the frame.a blank gun would be more uniform.its some kinda knockoff "real" gun. not a converted one.
>>65454233Hard primers and hot loads sounds like classic SMG ammo alright. Is it regular lead FMJ, or do they use any steel?In Sweden, we have the old m/39B loading of 9mm Parabellum, which is loaded hot as fuck, and uses a projectile with a thick steel jacket. This ammo is legally available as inexpensive surplus for people with a pistol license, and it cuts through soft armor like it's paper, but it's not very popular because it's harsh on the barrel, and it's known to obliterate old nice antique 9mm pistols.The hard steel jacket means more force is needed to push it down the bore, so the pressure starts getting really high in a locked breech, which a Glock 17 or USP can deal with, but which annihilates old Mauser, Luger, and Lahti pistols. The m/45 SMG, which this ammo was made for, is a blowback gun, so the additional pressure just pushes the bolt faster and it never builds up in those, hence why they can run through it fine.
>>65454377Well, Communism isn't very efficient, but they weren't ALL little shitty tinpot dictatorships, Switzerland was non-aligned, and they're a very wealthy and healthy country.Sweden was officially non-aligned, but that was a big fat lie, we had a secret deal with the Americans to station subs with nukes in our waters to be included with the American nuclear umbrella.>>65454242>I recall some dude having a legal RP46 or somethingKinda based in a way.>>65454389Oh, it was the Vugreks all along? Lol, old habits die hard I suppose.
>>65454406And it still looks like all the metal parts are pot metal
OP, there are some guys who would like to speak to you about the gun.
>>65454464true still nothing says knockoffs wont use cheap materials.both are bad but i feel like its not based off a blank gun conversion. unless you can source the blank gun.
>>65454242A few reasons. Rural anatolia is near impossible to police effectively. If it takes the law to reach a village more than 15 minutes, anything possible can happen. It was not like that, gendarme was god tier when it comes to solving disputes and enforcing the law. Even lowly sergeants were able to displace and exile whole villages because people would not stop fighting. Then enter the US backed islamist AKP, which are the cuckiest of the cucks when it comes to law enforcement. They strip away authority from law enforcement, make them into their own attack dogs (they even failed that) as well. OP lives in Kayseri, which is one of the oldest cities in Türkiye and have a very well funded police and gendarme departments yet most of the city is a desolate steppe. Imagine detroit with more arable land.
>>65454464low quality steel billet. Plenty of cnc and lathes lying around, gotta keep the lights on, one way or the other. >>65454272They did get what they asked. Up until a 3 years ago, it was very easy to convert a blank gun by either drilling out the barrel or just straight up unscrewing it then mounting a properly made one. You really dont need too much tooling for that to be honest. A halfway decent drill press and some patience is all you need. Rest you can find in your tool box.9 mm PAK has roughly the same dimensions as .380, you need to cut 2 mm off of a pak round . Takes me about a couple hours to make 50 rounds of .380. P.A.Luty's expedient homemade pistol ammo book is a great start if you are curious.
Some gypsy/junkie guns the Finnish police has confiscated.
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OP you're better off running than relying on that
it looks like a turkish gun model inspired by browning hi power. not a fake. turkey has a very good and widespread arms industry they have a lot of factories that make guns.
>>65455565>turkey has a very good [...]arms industryLMFAOOOOOOOOThe only thing turkish shotguns are known for is their dogshit quality (control). Every reputable shotgun site has a big, fat, disclaimer or hundred page thread warning everybody to never buy a turkshit. Their solution? Build shotguns that are not hot dogshit? No, to rebrand, to change their name, until people find out dogshit company X is actually dogshit company Y this whole time.Their pistols are 2nd grade Glock copies at best.
>>65449288Looks like a plastic pistol.
>>65453942>Hey there neighbor, its me, guy you barely know. I am currently being hunted by the mafia and was hoping you maybe had any unregistered firearms I could borrow. Dont worry, I am an experienced user, I have discharged this modified blank pistol into some dirt a few times.
>>65456239Tomarza is a small town. Stuff like that happens way, way more often than you think. Having a couple guns stashed away is as common as having shoes outside your door and people always need money for other stuff. Unless OP is an insufferable ass to the neighbors, he shouldnt have a problem asking for help.
>>65456536Somewhat unrelated question but how is there this many illegal firearms in all these countries where guns are borderline unobtainable or outright illegal? I get people make them or some get smuggled in but wouldnt the police finding out someone built one bring down a ton of heat? Or if you wind up shooting someone, even entirely in justified self defense, wouldnt you be in a world of shit legally?
>>65456884The cops get a cut from selling the guns
>>65456884Plenty of reasons.Government both hates armed populace and gives zero fucks about public safety. So people take care of their own safety. Not so surprisingly, it works. "If I have a gun, the other guy must also have a gun".Take OP's town, Tomarza for example. Sure, guns are illegal, but Kayseri , which Tomarza is part of , is one of oldest cities and most rural ones as well.It has both gendarmerie and police jurisdiction, police stick to city itself while rural areas are under gendarmerie. Police react to incidents in city center faster obviously meanwhile it can take up to 45 minutes for gendarmerie to respond to villages. Roads are extremely well developed so only issue is time. Thats why rural population prefer to be armed and law enforcement both turns a blind eye and profits from it.It all boils down to dog and pony show that government loves to put on meanwhile they can barely enforce law they write. You cant find anyone more cucked than an İslamist conservative when it comes to this.
>>65450242nope. you cannot test every piece of produce.
>>65460855If your solution is to dip chicken carcasses in chlorine you don't even know what food looks like
