>China with its much larger ship building industry compared to the US is projected to have more carriers and surface combatant ships in the Pacific compared to the USN>China also boasts a large number of destroyers, cruisers and in particular, submarines. The latter of which have proven to be among the most dangerous assets regarding attacks against carrier groups as seen multiple times in joint training exercises with the USN and allied countries posing as OPFOR>Chinese Marine Corps has also seen aggressive expansion and are considered to be China's premier expeditionary ground force for force projection>Analysts believe China will not only attempt to take the first island chain but the second island chain which could prove to drastically change the balance of power in the PacificSo is WWIII popping off truly in the 2030's? And how does /k/ think a war in the Pacific set in the 2030's would actually go? I know it's common to shit on China but to say that they are not a threat, especially with how they're projected to be come the 2030's would be a mistake.
Does he get paid by the thread? You guys don't think he does it for free, do you?
>>65455067You can't honestly believe this to be quantumposting anon. These projections are pulled from statements made the the DOD and ONI.
>>65455038These ships are basically tofu dredges...FOR NOW. They look good and have excellent stats on paper but in reality are still decades behind US tech. However, give them another 10 years of unimpeded iterative R&D, and they will catch up. The US has this grace period to find a solution.
>>65455038>is WWIII popping off truly in the 2030's?No, China won't do shit. They have more to lose than to gain from war. Win or lose, the cost would be monumental.
>>65455038>All of it gets droned by cheap Taiwanese UAV's & USV's
>>65455038>China will only be able to compete with the US Pacific Fleet in the 2030s>not the entire USN but muh building!
>>65455038>Analysts believe China will not only attempt to take the first island chain but the second island chainsource: crack pipe
>>65455038>and in particular, submarines.Submarines are the one thing that the US has a definitive technological and numerical advantage over China in.
>>65455038I'm not even American and I found this kind of threads really stupid, probably made by my fellow second and third worlders
>>65455038>build huge ass ships>all get sunk by flip drones made in Taiwanhttps://bworldonline.com/the-nation/2025/12/28/721378/taiwan-open-to-drone-cooperation-with-phl-amid-regional-tensions/
>muh dronesThis is changland we're talking about.
China's most recent naval confrontation did not go all that well for them.
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>>65455038The chinks don't need to do anything. Ukraine is the best thing to happen in years, they get major deals from both sides and its just one big advertisement for DJI; to say nothing of the leverage over Russia it gives them. Secondly, US economic growth is propped up entirely by AI (every other industry is in advanced decay); both the speculative returns and from chip manufacture; which they've already undercut with their free models and will further kneecap with their massive expansion of wafer manufacture; thereby raping the Taiwanese and Korean monopolies on that. Right at the same time trump is starting fights with everybody in his rolodex, wrecking US soft power. Before Ukraine and AI, it sure seemed like an invasion of Taiwan was inevitable; but now you've got a major boon in soft power from the Ukraine war and the free marketing that provides to their industries, combined with Trump generously alienating their main strategic adversary from the rest of the west; and then on top of that you've got the US putting all their economic eggs in one basket, a basket the chinks happen to be holding? What would even be the point in invading? Its all going their way and they've done nothing different from usual.
>>65455217Surface ships have been running on copium ever since Argentina sunk guided missile destroyers worth more than its GDP with crappy hand-me-down trainers. Submarines and carriers are the true gauge in which a navy can operate at sea.
>Drones>Against ships with massive EW, CIWS, and emerging DEW'sGood luck. >>65455620Can you explain why a destroyer or cruiser that can fire an ungodly amount of missiles would be considered worthless anon?
>>65455626As I said in my post, a fighter a fraction of its cost and crew can poke those missiles and turn it into an overpriced tinderbox. SEAD has only made it even more lopsided in the fighter's favor.
>>65455285They won't even be able to compete with that, they're still in the cope mindset that they don't actually need more than 2 or 3 operational carriers lul (all substantially smaller and greatly lower sortie rate compared to US carriers btw)
>>65455587>seasharkAs opposed to landshark?
>China invades>heavily opposed by air/sea assets because of obvious massive buildup >Chinese economy fucking explodes overnight>constant drone/missile strikes on Chinese port facilities>unable to force naval breakout>only trade partners Russia and India via rail/road>China never surrenders >continually launches weapons until and after complete social breakdowns destroys country>the middle kingdom becomes houthis 2.0
>>65455641No point in making a landshark drone since the chinks will all meet their end at sea.
>>65455643I think you'd actually see china break up into 2 or more smaller nations. The catalyst being obvious, China is blockaded in this scenario and the further regions from Beijing would be desperate to normalize. I figure Hong Kong / Shenzhen / Guangzhou would be the (first) breakaway, probably taking much of southern china with them.The fundamental vulnerability to blockade is the main reason, though, why they will never try anything, not against the US and not against Taiwan. Iran has ironically proved a point, you do not need to exert control over a waterway to stop civilian shipping, you only need to pose a plausible threat. The USA blasts a few would-be blockade runners and suddenly your 1b+ chink population is completely cut off while still trying to stay afloat as an export economy. This could theoretically happen with neither side taking a single combat casualty. China is that vulnerable. And let's also not forget that china is a major food importer, and lacks sufficient over-land fossil fuel logistics to cope with total loss of imports.
>>65455038you know what they say about bigger navies?more sailors. Creating a target-rich environment for your opponent to sink your surface combatants with cruise missiles produced by your most neighborly neighbor. It's going to suck to be a PLAN sailor. I'll bet my nuts that midway through the war life vests will be part of the uniform.
>>65455677>implying the chinks care enough about their men for life vestsDid you think the "chinese fishing boat navy" was a meme? Look it up. Their actual unironic plan to invade taiwan is to just send a bajillion chink infantry in commandeered fishing boats and hope to make a beachhead after the taiwanese start to run out of ammo. This is also why they ostensibly have so many vessels in their navy
/k/ has a history of resident schizos.Armatard>had a meltdown at the start of the Russian invasion of Ukraine after a decade of shilling for Russian and Soviet gear, namely the T-14 Armata when Russian shit turned out to be shitWarriortard>from memory, he referenced his own twitter as a source in his nonillionth British military gear shitting thread and after probing him it turned out he was a fat lard from Florida with a fart fetishHelmetard>don't know much about him other than he liked saying aviators and airman alot and shilled for the Su-57 pilot helmet for supposedly being better than the one for the F-35MikeEusa>tought the Toropetz ammo deppo explosion was a nuke. his sources for the claim were a conversation with Copilot where he gaslit it into agreeing with him, two simulations in a mod for Quake and debates with someone from /x/ and /pol/ who may have been the same personand also Denis>idk what Denis did other than he doxed himself on 4chinsSo with that out of the way, shall we title the dude who keeps making these China/concern troll threads as Chinatard?
>>65455759>China/concern trollto be fair, this thread is a valid concern tough.
>>65455759I don't care what label you give him, its all just manufactured engagement bait for a dead website. These threads, as well as warriortard and armatard all have a common theme, in that they only have power because /k/ is full of assblasted geeks who mald reflexively about shit that would just 404 if they didn't bump it. And fwiw, for all the shit warriortard posted; he never once posted a lie.
>>65455217>but in reality are still decades behind US techChinese destroyers have anti ship ballistic missiles and probably High-Power Microwave (HPM) system (one of the explanations for side superstructue mounted antennas)Tech US ships don't have.
i've yet to see anybody on this entire board explain how a carrier fleet is supposed to defend against a saturation attack from the chinese coast
>>65455598>>65455596I saw that video, they were liquified, not shot they were actually buried in their hall of martyrs
>>65455759>and also Denis>>idk what Denis did other than he doxed himself on 4chinsHe is a genuine medical certified schizo, who has a habbit of oversharing what he does at the moment and what issues he has. He literaly posted his schizo diagnosis, was homeless for a while, was in a mental asylum and doxed himself multiple times. He's usually more active on /int/ and /pol/.>>65455770>its all just manufactured engagement bait for a dead website.While this is often true, it's more often than not genuine shilling by retarded schizos.>These threads, as well as warriortard and armatard all have a common theme, in that they only have power because /k/ is full of assblasted geeks who mald reflexively about shit that would just 404 if they didn't bump it.This was already 10 years ago a retarded take. The only power they have is when people dont know who or what they are dealing with, they will always try to force their schizo believes and opinions to become the consensus, hence why they always mald when they bring up who they are or what they do. And for bumping, are you joking or something? They bump their threads happily for a literal week as already seen, sooner or later they get their engagement, because that's what they literally do all day since there are always enough 'i dont care that he is a well known schizo, i wann talk about the topic and you cant stop me' idiots around like you.>And fwiw, for all the shit warriortard posted; he never once posted a lie.The only time when he didn't lie at least a little bit was when he let it slip that he's a pedo.
>>65455632How do the fighters reach the blue water navy that's floating at the far end of engagement ranges?
>>65455786That's adorable, may we see them?
>this thread>these post timesconvinced it's all a genuinely mentally unwell balkanoid that makes these threads because an actual chink shill would at least go for a time of day when Americans are awake
>>65455759>everyone forgets AntmanSad! He was my favorite.
>>65455870You forgot one option: The average dimwith emmigrant that left his country because it is so shit, but then gets all patriotic while he lives a (more) comfortable life outside his shithole of a home country.
bros why do they talk like >schling bling toing gyang fe lliang bloingboi-oi-oi-oiiing doing doing tiang chuhhhh fe muh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqs1SNKd9J0
>>65455759>ChinatardYou mean Ching, the (illegitimate) grandson of honored IJA soldier Rapezu Guranduma?
>>65455038China is projected to lose 500 000 000 of their population in the next 30 years and projected to have smaller population than Europe in 2100
>>65455038>So is WWIII popping off truly in the 2030's? No.>And how does /k/ think a war in the Pacific set in the 2030's would actually go?Not in China's favor, which they know, and which is why they aren't doing shit.>>65455882Antman was so fucking fake.>>65455909I like this one.
>>65455596>>65455598Why do they even bother having a "political affiliation" field?
>>65455786>and probably High-Power Microwave (HPM) systemAnon ... thats just their radars.
>>65455928Hey now, Venezuela showed us the true might of Chinese radar!
>>65455643>>65455667Why would China even want to invade? They don't need to conquer Taiwan, they just need Taipei to acknowledge that their foreign policy runs through Beijing. They can keep their full domestic control. That doesn't require troops on the ground.A ground invasion would just force a military response from Japan, the Philippines, and South Korea. A sudden blockade positioned as a "trade conflict" could bring Taiwan into the minimal Chinese orbit while not rising to the point of provoking a military response from the regional opposition. If Japan, SK, and the Philippines don't join the war, then the US has to fight from Guam, which isn't doable. China don't need the naval force to win against the entire US fleet, just enough to discourage what is in the western Pacific while the blockade chokes Taiwan into compliance with some minimal asks.
>>65455920It can be empty. In China you can either join the communist party or not. (There are no other parties, obviously). It *can* be good for your career, but it's no guarantee and it also adds expectations/requirements.
>>65455620Are you unaware that 5th fleet ships have been under massive ASBM/ASCM/Drone saturation ToT attacks continously for the last three years and have sustained *checks notes* zero hits? Bong RN ships got buttfucked by the Argentineans because Bongs are gay retards not because ships are particularly vulnerable. Much less vulnerable than a static base, as we have seen in the current adventure with the USAF getting sodomized by flying lawn mowers and F-5s.
>>65455962>ToT
>>65455992>Cum chugging retard doesn't understand the concept of Time on Target mission planning. Wow imagine my surprise.
LOL
I object to the title of 'tard' for this goober; they possess neither verifiable mental illness, unconventional opinions or a compelling backstory. This is just regurgitated CCP propaganda. I have never seen them at the food bank, liquor store nor the Sky Castle, they are just a shill who is not worthy of our elite ranks.
>>65456074'-tard' as a suffix on this board comes from a root other than retard. Armatard "possess<ed> neither <a> verifiable mental illness [note: to our knowledge when he gained the title], <an> unconventional opinion <n>or a compelling backstory. <He> just regurgitated <Russian> propaganda." His name wasn't even Arma-tard, it was Armata(the tank)-RD from another forum that we doxxed him on. It's not an honorific, you have no claim to it and you are not an authority on its derivation or use.
>>65456001Who says I don't?
>>65456094His meltdown and obsession with a clearly non functional piece of equipment indicates both mental instability and an unconventional opinion, especially given even Russia has admitted it is total shit>It's not an honorific, you have no claim to it and you are not an authority on its derivation or use.You sound like whitey lecturing a proud Nubian King about his use of da N word, we are taking it back! As to my authority to speak for my community, i present my credentials:
>>65456141Technically you’re a namefag, and an evolved one at that with a trip code so a tripfag. These other “tards” are generally schizos or single minded obsessive wastes of human genome that try to remain anonymous but their posts and style of writing are recognizable.You might have tard in your name but that was your choice. Ultimately you’re just a tripfag and not pretending to be one of the masses and trying to create fake engagement/bait threads to stroke your ego. You’re faggotry is announced by your title so I only have myself to blame if I walk in to a thread you created and get upset about its content.Remember to put it in all fields kids!
>>65456259As far as /k/ trips go, I mostly find him inoffensive, occasionally rather pleasant. /k/ (and 4chan as a whole, really), used to be still absolutely littered with tripfags just a decade ago, like it's really night and day compared to now, and SO many of them were completely unbearable shitters.When /vr/ was celebrating its 10th anniversary, I went back and looked at early threads, and my god, there were so many goddamn tripfags then, most which I don't even remember. /k/ isn't different in that regard either. You really forget what an absolute plague it used to be, tripfags were usually the worst fucking posters back then, but these days the worst posters are usually anonymous, so you can't even reliably filter their goddamn asses.
>>654559284 radar arrays are mounted at 45 degrees angles. Radar set up doesn't need these additional side looking arrays.
>>65456294Trips could be good or entertaining at times. Their vanishing honestly coincides with this place losing its actual community. Instead of a collective of mostly American gun nerds we're some talmudic mishmash of disparate foreigners and tourists who only want to shriek into the void.
>>65455038>is projected to have more carriers and surface combatantsalready starting off with some funny fanfiction, chinkshill.>china will attempt to commit suicide by copwe know.
>>65455616>t-the chinks don't need to do anythingcorrect, they will do nothing and then they will lose.>paragraph of chinkshill fanfiction about how we have already won gweilo pls stop making fun of us!not worth reading.
>>65455770>noooo shills being pathetic, identifiable and constantly doxxing themselves means you're getting trolled and baited actually!attention-starved zoomer mentality, i can call anything i want retarded and that's not a "gift" of engagement to them, that's calling them retarded, simple as. if they want to mental gymnastics that into being a win for them, they can go ahead and do that, i don't care and i am not adversely affected by the coping of pretend retards or actual retards.
>>65455909rapechink is usually not actually the guy who makes these chinkshill threads, btw, he's a resident /his/ schizo who gets extremely emotional and starts posting fanfiction about china raping others every time the subject of how ridiculously mutted "han" chinese are comes up.his level of unhinged rage and mouthfoaming is legendary, but he doesn't particularly put much effort into shilling for chinese tech because he doesn't know anything about it, his shilling is entirely motivated by his personal racial shame of being a mutt.
>>65455962>USAF getting sodomized by flying lawnmowers and F-5'sand other fantasy stories you can tell yourself.
>>65456001he just has different requirements for time on target anontime: when her age is on the clocktarget: cunny
china only needs to wait it out. time is on their side.
>>65456394>if i just keep repeating it hard enough it will become true!wrong.china will do nothing and lose, and if it chooses to do something it will also lose, their chance to take taiwan has come and gone, their wolf warrior bullshit alerted everyone to their intentions way too soon.
>>65456335Maybe it's vhf and uhf radars?
>>65456259>>65456294Thanks i guess for saying i'm not as bad as a actual retard, honestly i'm just trying to make a boring implessive shill thread more entertaining.Also i was annoyed at OP for not including the Glorious 2030 KPAN High Seas Fleet in their delusions.
