I'm talking everything from band-aids to suture needles.Can be entire trauma bags to individual products.
dont cheap out on israeli bandages. people think theyre all the same and for generic wound stuffing they are, but cheap ones under pressure thin out to a narrow strip like hot cheese, whereas the legit ones maintain width and coverage. they could also probably rip or break, ive never seen it but the materials certainly are chintzy enough.
>>65455366Hijacking the OP.My stupid ass chud job needs me to do a first aid course in 2 weeks time.Shit like CPR, AED, dealing with the unconscious, choking, bleeding, burns, fractures, ETC ETC.The whole fucking shebang.Will just cramming a general First Aid book be enough to get through or what?
>>65455851What jobs does a chud have?
Guide from /gq/ Pretty much covers it all.
>>65455851I personally just read the books and never bother with courses.>>65456273OP here, thanks anon. Anymore like this or is this the only one around?
>>65455410>israeli bandagesHumiliation ritual and attempt at talmudic magic
>>65456273>Nitrile glovesNot just for injuries. Also good when dealing with food, sewage, or contact toxins. Just don't reuse them. Please.
>>65456273I notice that no one ever talks about tweezers.If you get glass stuck in your hands, or a bullet lodged in somewhere, how are you going to get it out without a small tool that can grasp it (without exposing your fingers to the danger, or wound to potential infection). Make sure to keep at least some type of tweezers in your kit.
>>65456308My EDC has pliers and honestly you really don't want to be extracting shit without a surgical suite. Those shards of glass are plugging the holes in his hide and people can live with bullets in them for decades.
>>65455851Well your chud ass employer should provide you with the courses. It is the employers problem if they require you to have those courses completed.
>>65455851just show up to the course, you don't need to study they are not trying to fail anyone
>>65455366How outdated is pic related? >>65455851I'm pretty jaded because I've been through it 20 times but it's stupid easy. >look before you rush in>fucking call 911>Stayin'Alive.mp3>the aed explains itselfBasic first aid is for keeping people alive until actual medical staff arrives.
>>65456308>>65456313As a general tip, if it's stuck in you, please don't start poking and pulling and prodding it out. You're likely going to make things worse.Apply antiseptic, gauze and bandage to keep whatever it is tight and immobile, and make for a hospital with a proper (micro)surgeon.
>>65455366>BestRefuge Medical.
>>65456601Speaking of antiseptic, I've recently swapped from alcohol to povidone-iodine. It hurts a hell of a lot less and I think I'm going soft.
>>65456289No, no, in this case the Israeli's honestly did design one of the best bandages on the market. It seems that a couple of decades of suicide bombers forced them to confront how to make a good one.
>>65456288>>65455366Get a fucking Sharpie and a big bandanna in the bag. You can rig most bandages with the bandanna and the sharpie lets you leave messages for other medics. Like "T"+ the time for a tourniquet, or marking that someone's been given emergency medication. You normally do this on the forehead and the hand, if they still have hands.
>>65455851They're going to test you based on what they teach. Don't go fucking reading other materials to prepare, because at best it will make you give an answer that is "correct, but not what we taught you, so it's incorrect".It's a fucking first aid course, just show up and listen, it's easy shit. What the fuck is wrong with you?
>>65456273What the fuck is that medication list? Paracetamol, Ibuprofen and ASS all for similar indications, plus the PCM+Ibu combination pill we know doesn't do anything more than only taking one of the two (except for migraine+headaches where you can use the Aspirin/paracetamol/caffeine combination pill). Lose the ASS, keep Ibu 400 for pain, have a small contingent of PCM for fever.I also don't know why you'd want a first and second gen H1-Blocker in your kit, and then also Meclizine. Either use the Benadryl for nausea and as a sleeping aid, or use no sleeping aid and the Meclizine for nausea. For allergy Loratadine/Desloratadine/Ceterizne and any other of the modern allergy medications all the way, but none of that older stuff.I'm also not sold on a nasal congestion pill, when sprays would act more local, but I see the storage issuesI won't even start with the Doxy...
>>65455366You would be suprised how many injuries you can treat, or at least stabilize, with just compressed gauze and an elastic bandage (Ace wrap). Most of my corpsman bag's immediately accessable supplies was compressed gauze and elastic bandages. Stuff the wound with hemostatic gauze first, then compressed gauze if it needs more and wrap it tight. Hemoostatic gauze does not stop bleeding on its own, it helps, but pressure on the wound is what does it. This is for things that won't require a tourniquet mind you. Also an IFAK's purpose is for whoever runs up on you to use to keep you from bleeding to death, keep tourniquets and combat gauze on top. Also, if you can manage, carry at least 2 tourniquets (preferably as many as you have limbs) with at least 1 in a location where you can grab it with either hand easily. If all your tourniquets are in a zipper pouch on your sife and you've lost fine motor function good luck not bleeding to death or spilling all the contents in the dirt.>>65456666Anything with iodine in it is a risk if you need to use it on other people because of iodine allergies. Most people are retarded and will not know if they have an allergy, god forbid if they're unconscious. If they have an anaphylactic reaction you've just killed them unless they have an epipen, which most people that carry them are because of known food or bee sting allergies, and they're the only people I know of that will actually know all of their allergies, but that is if they're conscious. In a military context that's why if you have allergies it'll at least be on your red dogtag, and if you're real fancy you'll have a patch that will list the major ones near where you'll have your blood type patch. Smart ones will have a little bracelet that will list they're allergies and major medical conditions in the regular world.
Hemostats, scissors, razor blades, duct tape, paper towels and small tampax for bullet wounds. Mini bottles of whisky for nerves and instant coffee to chew. Plastic wrap and a clean sheet. Sutures and skin cleaner if your are ambitious and oxygen if you have transportation.
>>65456269Pawnshop lacky.
>>65456291I just wrap my wang in a rubber glove and have at it. Beats a Snickers wrapper (king size, not bragging).
>>65456740Brother, it's an elastic bandage with a pressure pad and a fancy clip to make it stay in place, what a fucking revolutionary invention to have all of these in one product rather than combining them in the field and under pressure. "Pressure bandage" has less syllables than "Israeli bandage" as well, which is nicer to pronounce and is more technical.
>>65456666>speaking of antiseptic>has post number has 666 at the endquite a chat about antisepticism, eh?
>>65457589Antibiotics are anti life. They are poisons.
>>65457651NTA but so is alcohol.
>>65456973...You can be Allergic to Iodine?! What am I talking about, Of Course you can have an allergy to PVP-I. I should do some research.>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15701122/So about 4 out of every 1000 people have issues with contact iodine. Symptoms are a rash and maybe burns if it's really bad. I'm thinking external use only and testing it on yourself before using it regularly.
>>65457554>Sutures and skin cleaner if your are ambitious You can get a $30 suture practice kit on Amazon if you want to git gud. Don't just randomly stitch someone's cut closed.
>>65456795>drop acetaminophen and keep ibuprofen>for a combat pill packThanks for letting us know you're retarded. Now we can safely ignore you.
>>65459024Uhh but to be clear yeah no >>65456273 was made by an uneducated retard who has no business making infographics. Will do a writeup on what's wrong with it later but for now don't fucking use that shit
>>65457564Definitely don't reuse that one.
>>65459026NTA but I was wondering why that pic had like 3 different allergy medicines.
>>65456740>one of the best bandages on the marketThe H and Olaes bandage both have better pressure devices and build quality.
>>65459047Different uses.>>65459026That infographic is over a year old, do you have actual reasoning or is /gq/ living in your head rent free that much?
>>65456666>Speaking of antisepticThe other option is Chlorhexidine. Can buy jugs of concentrate from Tractor Supply and similar. Just don't use it with iodine. They render each other inert.
>>65456795holy shit it's the peptic ulcer guy who ragequit /gq/ like an ass.https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/63602279
>>65459057I do.>>65456273First of all, the recommended medications are laughably bad. Aspirin stands out as an absurd recommendation, probably even to a regular line medic. Aspirin is a surprisingly potent antiplatelet drug - AKA a blood thinner. This means that if you have a combat wound that is hemorrhaging and you take aspirin for the pain, you have a substantially higher chance of bleeding out. This also applies to ibuprofen, and other drugs in the NSAID class such as naproxen, but to a lesser extent. Acetaminophen is completely safe to use and is the preferred non-prescription painkiller in a combat zone.Other things are wrong. Docusate sodium (colace) will not "induce a bowel movement" as it is a stool softener, not an actual laxative - get a combination docusate/sennoside pill instead, that adds an actual laxative. Diphenhydramine is another questionable choice, it will cause much heavier drowsiness than other allergy meds such as loratadine (Claritin) or cetirizine (Zyrtec) which are also safer in general. Moving on to the next section, he is correct about hemostatic gauze but it's strange that he would recommend celox over combat gauze - seems like he's never actually had or used either. Combat gauze (which also has a potent hemostatic agent like celox) is purpose-made for IFAKs and is more compressed than most civilian-use hemostatic gauze, including celox.What he is wrong about is his claim that normal gauze is nearly as effective. This is simply not true, at all - especially if you've taken his advice and loaded up on aspirin and ibuprofen. Spend the fucking money on hemostatic gauze. Similarly do not cheap out on tourniquets (he's right that chinkshit is dangerously bad)He seems to have no idea why Israeli bandages come in different sizes. They are actually for different wounds on different parts of the body. Only a 4" Israeli bandage should be in an IFAK, both for its size and for the scope of injuries it treats. (1/?)
>>65457577>accurate attribution of medical innovations makes me mad because Jewsyou have to go back
>>65459137(cont.)There are lots of small bits of terrible advice laced throughout which is why I recommend ditching this infographic entirely. For example, when suggesting an antiseptic, he includes burns on the list of things that can be treated with it. Do not use antiseptic on severe burns - natural skin bacteria have a protective effect against fungal infections which can be much harder to treat. Hydrogen peroxide is another example, it has nowhere near the scope he claims it does, in fact a lot of organisms will just ignore it altogether (isopropyl alcohol, while more toxic, is generally going to be more effective as an antiseptic. Ethyl alcohol is ok too).I would never ever recommend a civilian put a decompression needle (NCD) in their IFAK. Ever. No amount of "training classes" is going to make it worth it. Even when trained combat medics are doing them, the majority of cases they're used are deemed unnecessary when reviewed later, and there is always a major risk of killing the person you're using it on. The fact that it's given the same warning statement as a nasopharyngeal airway (funny tube that goes up the nose and usually can't do worse than a nosebleed) is ridiculous. Notice how none of the commercial pre-made IFAK setups include an NCD - massive liability if random bozos (that's (You) reading this) start killing each other trying to use them.The large majority of penetrating chest trauma should, at the IFAK/combat medic level, just be treated with a chest seal. There are a lot of designs for these and they can get really autistically complicated - just get one that's from a reputable company and you're golden. Pack at least two in an IFAK and learn how to use the wrapper as a makeshift chest seal, so now you can theoretically treat two entrance wounds and two exit wounds per IFAK.I really disagree that you need real flesh for suture training, but that's subjective I suppose.(2/2)
>>65459137>>65459186Interesting info. In the time it took to write this you could have opened MS paint and edited the infographic to add these corrections.>heIIRC that infograph was a group effort.>ditch it entirelyand leave people with... nothing? That's irrational. Edit the infographic just as others have.
>>65456666Iodine is good but less effective against non bacterial pathogens. I think it's an acceptable substitution for most purposes but keep in mind it's not as effective as isopropyl alcohol. Do mind the allergy risk but I don't think I've ever heard of an anaphylactic reaction to topical iodine so it's not especially dangerous even if you are allergic (probably stick to alcohol anyways if so)>>65459063Also a good option, though I don't know enough about the details about its relative efficacy or safety to say if it's better than alcohol or iodine>>65456308I don't think tweezers are the worst idea actually since most innafield injuries are minor problems that are just going to cause pain. Plus a tiny splinter can still pose an infection risk under the right circumstances. IFAKs are space limited though so this is probably something for the backpack.>>65455410>>65456289I neither know nor care why they're called that, but they are effective and anon is right, quality makes a difference here. But they are another thing you need to be trained to use. Most people will not apply them correctly without proper training, and if applied incorrectly it's basically just a shittier ACE wrap.>>65456757Sharpie and markings yes. Bandana bullshit, no, don't be retarded.>>65457577The Israeli bandage is a particular type of pressure bandages, which come in several forms. The Israeli form is very effective and fast to apply when used correctly. But if you're really tight on cash, you can also just use an ACE wrap and a smooth flat river rock - wrap over the wound at least once, then put the rock on the wrap, and then wrap additional times on top of the rock. Now you are pulling tension onto a pressure pad atop the wound. This will be less effective and stable than a real pressure bandage.
>>65459217Sorry I'm phoneposting, originally on the pooper but now procrastinating at work. I'll see if I can update it later today or tonight when I get home.
>>65459063>ChlorhexidineThat sounds familiar. Do they use that in baby wipes?>Just don't use it with iodine. They render each other inert.Weird, but that's biochemistry for ya.
>>65459248And mouthwash
TourniquetEpipenNarcan (if you're a junkie)Everything else is a meme and can either be reliably improvised or will only be used in very specific circumstances that you probably won't see anyway.
>>65456291Nitrile gloves are practical and convenient to have around the house and garage. Honestly I'm surprised more people don't keep a couple boxes around for everyday tasks.
>>65460552Impressively retarded post
>>65459712I knew it sounded familiar!>>65461109It gets a little expensive since you're supposed to throw them away after one use. It's pretty common for businesses, tho.
