Without nukes, how long would 1945 USA be able to hold off against 2026 USA
>>65458247Major elements of 2026 USA wouldn't fight or would defect
>>65458247Probably for ever. The mil today is gay.
>>65458247couple of weeks, if only because 2026 USA would need time to rearm, refuel, and sleepevery single 1945 unarmoured warship would go down to a single Harpoon missileevery single armoured cruiser, CA or CB, would go down to a single 2,000lb JDAM or 1,000lb LRASM, aimed at the right place like the engine room or magazinepossibly even the 500lb JSOW-C could do it, as it has the BROACH bunker-buster warheadlikewise, every single battleship or carrier would go down to just two or three JSOW-Csthe 1945 USAAF and USN would have a massive numbers advantage, with something like 30,000 (estimated) in 1945but many of those are going to be destroyed on the ground or on their carriersand the US military today still has at least 2,000 combat jets, which are basically invulnerable to the 1945 US militaryand all it takes to kill one of those jets is a single missile. and the 2026 US military does have enough AIM-9s and AIM-120s, at least 33,000 in stock, probably moreand in reality the jets can use APKWS II on those slow propeller-driven aircraft, especially when attacking bombersafter that it's just plinking tanks and PBI on the groundat night, cause remember, WW2 was nearly entirely fought without NODs, save for a few snipers and such in 1945
>>65458247The white male (actual white) section of the US armed forces i.e. the competent part that keeps the whole show running, would either disobey or defect. 1945 USA wins by default.
>>65458287I think you're overestimating the effectiveness of modern weapons given how many weapons were required to sink some of the Iranian frigates during preying mantis without factoring in a well trained 1945 crew. It'd still be one sided.
>>65458689>well trained 1945 crewalright, fair enough, I forget that a couple of US destroyers tanked kamikaze attacks and survivedtwo LRASMs or JDAMs or Harpoons per US destroyer, three per cruiserthe US fleet weathered the kamikaze in part by assisting each otherif the whole fleet got hit at once, their damage control wouldn't be as goodthose Iranian ships were built in the 60s and ought to be better compartmentalised and so on
>>65458247>Without nukes, how long would 1945 USA be able to hold off against 2026 USANot very long. The Ameridan was resolved was weak during this time. One large coordinated attack (like destroying the heart of the Pacific Fleet at Pearl Harbor) and they would sign any treaty put infront of them.
>>65459108Roflmao, Ive heard that one before. Hey, waitaminute...
It would probably turn into a race war. USA 2026 would insist on immediate desegregation. In contrast, polls indicate WWII American soldiers thought keeping segregation was more important than winning the war.2026 has the tech advantage, but 1945 probably fights better and is more flexible without decades of caked in bureaucracy. A long guerilla war I suppose.
>>65458247Where are the US's relevant to each other?
1945 USA would be rapidly destroyed by 2026 strategic bombing and would eventually be forced to surrender after Detroit and Pittsburg are leveled.
>>65458247Are we talking there are just two north american continents? Forever, unless 2026 can run a Maduro op on 1945 DC.
Lol at /pol/ cope ITT, 1945 lasts a year and only because it was so fucking large existing stockpiles won't be enough.I know you want to sperg out about "muh unsinkable battleships" but in reality they take a single GBU-72 to the deck at mach 1, the 5,000lb bomb ends up within 1 meter of the middle of the magazine and the front falls off.
>>654582471945 US has a shitton more people mobilized and under arms, they could ironically zergrush and hold territory in a way that the modern US can'tNot to mention 1945 US would fight to the death of they learned about the current US state of affairs. Imagine explaining that there was a nigger in the Whitehouse , or what tranny story hour is
>>65459985Okay and how do you conquer the nation?
>>65460075By killing the enemy soldiers. This isn't a 'muh culture' scenario, this is a who-wins.
>>65460075Destroy the military, destroy the produciton centers, occupy and install a new government.The one thing I would do different to the normal annexation is I would nationalize resources and use that huge stack of cash to improve the living conditions of the average citizen so they like the new government and I don't need to occupy for 20+ years.
Considering one side has near-perfect intelligence and overwhelming technological superiority while the other has polio and smallpox it would be a walkover. The main problem will be munition stores and preventing any grandfather paradoxes. Just imagine how you could mess with them using illusions and their complete ignorance of the future. >>65458253>Hey we think women, blacks, Latinos, gays, and the Irish are peopleIt would be interesting to see if and when cracks starts to emerge in 1945 society.
1945 America gets absolutely curbstomped until the munitions start running low.
people who think 1945 would even be able to do anything, are dangerously misinformed about how war works. Nightvision + guided bombs basically carry the war single-handedly. 2026 gets to bomb literally anything it wants with total impunity. 1945 gets to use unsupported infantry in suicide assaults during daylight hours
>>654582471945 USA has the disadvantage of the fact 2026 USA knows where all its vulnerable bits are, which is arguably an even bigger force multiplier than the technology gap. It'd play out basically the same as Iraq, where huge columns of soldiers and ships evaporate under the jacked 2026 USAF in between systematically eliminating command structures and any attempt to maneuver against them are met by drone-guided artillery.
The big twist is that the alien invaders the US is fighting against are just the US armed forces from 80 years in the future. Honestly you should ask this again in like 20~30 years so it'll be mostly combat drones and robots and shit fighting them
>>65460160Iran status?
/pol/tard whinging aside, this would be laughably one-sided. Based purely on communications technology and SIGINT advances, 1945 USA wouldn't even stand a chance against 1975 USA.Hell, 1945 USA can go ahead and load up a piddly 20 kt fission weapon and we'll shoot down the bomber before its gear is retracted.
>>65460369hasn't one carrier basically ruined that country?
>>65460369Cucked and impotently seething just as its shills do
>>65460369Iran is closer to 1980s USA but the point still stands, Iran is bombed and constantly can't stop the planes, they have lost their whole navy and airforce.What people constantly get wrong about Iran, Trump included, is they think it takes a powerful military to close the strait to civilian traffic, it does not and non-state actors have done it in the past.
>>65458247Conventionally? Not fucking long. It'd be worse than the typical thirdie stomp. Thirdies at least have shitty SANs that can buy them a few days while the air force gets rid of them, and occasionally decent man portable AT.1945 US infantry wouldn't be able to kill a fucking Bradley unless they somehow ambush it with an AT gun. Shermans would get massacred by hostile armor they can't see, can't reliably hurt, and which is FASTER than them. The 1945 Americans have no concept of an attack helicopter - abd those helos would wipe out every logistics hub they could find, along with columns trying to advance to the front. They don't even know what drones ARE. They don't understand what thermals are they have no night vision, no body armor, infantry is running around with 80 rounds of ammo and a piece of shit BAR for support ...Total war?Green berets would cum. They'd orgasm non fucking stop as they infiltrate a society where they all speak the language fluently, know every custom, and oh, look, the women and minorities are ALL oppressed and mad about it.>Women, our society lets you vote and made besting you illegal. Maybe protest outside the factory?>Blacks, we made one of you president. Here's a shipment of magic space rifles. Avenge your grandparents. 1945 America would outright collapse. Fast
okay how long do they hold out with nukes then
>>65460455It literally changes nothing. How the fuck are they getting a bomber through?
>>65458247Everyone here's forgetting someþing very important: þe civilian populous' will to fight, and þeir ability to.Let's say we take 1945 USA and 2026 USA and plop em down 4000 miles away from eachoþer on boþ sides. For whatever reason boþ governments know þey *have* to destroy one anoþer, but þe populations are ignorant of why.Þe overwhelming majority of þe 2026 U.S. military would need a LOT of convincing, and so would þe modern population. Realistically you'd have pilots defecting wiþ C-130s filled wiþ infantry and war material, as well as jet pilots, as well as probably one whole carrier. You'd also see a shit-ton of civilians flying and sailing over to defect, and when þe 1945 U.S. finally got around to attempting to effect an invasion (because þey *would* get around to it first) þey'd find little to no resistance. Sere, night-vission etc, but þey know þe land too and can cover a FUCKTON more ground. 2026 U.S. would lose NYC in a day and DC in a monþ.
It would be one sided at first but then 1945 would start adapting to our tech eventually
>>65460484The 1940's US was dependent on conscription, 2026's US is all volunteer and the military is (relatively) highly paid compared to prior versions of the US military.The US population of 1945 could be cowed easily by what feels like a scifi army, while the population of 2026 barely notices the war is happening.
>>65460490Hard to cow a people who just get galvanized when þeir homeland is attacked. You're þinking of þe soft liberal Americans of today.
>>65460495What's iceland like
>>65460484
>>65458247>Without nukes, how long would 1945 USA be able to hold off against 2026 USA>2026's USA armed forces>Hey wait, our enemies are exclusively dashingly handsome White men with good moral character and belief in Jesus?...Why are we fighting them again?>OY VEY SHUT THE FUCK UP GOY, FORWARD MARCH!>1945 USA wins without a single shot, as 2026 Americans surrender unconditionally to them>Israel then nukes the globe out of desperation and spite
What if all Allied nations from 1945 teamed up against 2026 America?
>>654604551) they can't get a bomber through2) we know they only have 2 bombs and can't build a 3rd for ~1 year
>>65458247Hold off? They would beat 2026 USA
>>65460381>>65460393>>65460423So they've been conquered? Okay.
>>65460511you might be half-joking but with Hegseth in charge it's a very real possibility
>>65460561>You might be half-jokingI'm not joking Anon.
>>65460484I c wut u did thar
>>65460446>They don't even know what drones ARE. They don't understand what thermals are they have no night visionwhat did anon mean by this
>>65460500Not nearly as hot as it is for þe retards who still live on þe continent.Also not a lot of people. So, pretty nice until þe global economy collapses. Þen we're kinda fucked.
>>65460561>with Hegseth in chargeNigger, find anyone who could unironically convince or even want to go to war with 1945 America Almost no politician in modern America would support the war, it would never even get to that pointBest you could hope for are sanctions if a lib is president
>>65460716Public support doesn't matter
>>65459907>polls indicate WWII American soldiers thought keeping segregation was more important than winning the war.Kind of a meaningless number given that the same US army literally almost immediately desegregated in the later 1940s, when all those same veterans were quite alive and young and often still serving as officers and staff, and then again the same army and the same population desegregated the USA as a whole in the 1950s-60s (the 25 year old soldiers of WW2 became the actual ruling 45 year old politicians of the 1960s)
>>65460716yeah I guess the scenario doesn't really work because say that a 1945 America blinks into existence directly adjacent to modern day America, there'd be no reason to go to war in the first place. I guess that either side would have to all entirely be under some kind of miasma spell that completely convinces them that the opposite America is the enemy for some reason. Hegseth, while drunk, is immune to the spell and it's up to him to piece together what he learned the previous night in his hungover state so that he can stop the war and save the world
>>6546072950's.Eisenhower desegregated the military.
>>65460725>this would be the same as attacking yourself from decades agoYou are mentally retarded >HURR WE'RE GONNA KILL YOUR GRANDPAPPY/GREAT GRANDPAPPY LOLAlso the only reason Trump hasn't been handcuffed is because there is support from republican politicians, now tell them we're bombing the America that they love to look back on and see what happens to that support
>>65460733officially
>>65458287>every single 1945 unarmoured warship would go down to a single Harpoon missileHow? I'm not sure if you know this, but missiles tend to explode when they hit. Really hard to re-use.
>>65460736They're actually not big fans of FDR and the new deal, believe it or not
>>65460740No sane person is
Ignoring politics and common sense -45 wins because -26 runs out of bombs and bullets before -45 runs out of men and equipment.
>>65460754I get that their active duty force outnumbers ours but don't we have a substantially larger population base to work with?
>>65460783something something most fighting age men are too fat and retarded to be of any use
>>65460754>>65460783>>65460786Infantry will be running cleanup not fighting hard to take positions.Imagine you are the 1945 infantry, your only available air defence is twin 50 cals and an apache starts takes your the 50s from 8km before closing to 2km for the cannon.You are fucked, the only time the nightmare stops is the 1 hour it takes it to rearm and refuel before it's back again. It can see you perfectly at night at ranges you can't even hear it.Honestly I think a 1 to 100 manpower ratio wouldn't matter.
>>65460078Hasn’t worked for 2026 America yet
>>65460381Hey man. They’re depleting our regional pop-tart stockpile
>>65460796i think that 1945 us might be able to be shock and awed, we could jdam them until our jets crumbled from use without there being any possibility of a response
>>65460732>directly adjacentwhat if it blinks into existence on top of modern day america?
>>65460829i think they would put guns hanging over the edges to shoot at any planes trying to go up
>>65460829I would thank them for ending this heat wave early and defect.
Hello is this the designated Boomer thread? Yessir them big ol' BBs gonna show the sissy modern navy what for mmhmm
>>65460909Say it with me, sonny: GREATEST. Nice and loud though, my hearing aid can't pick up meek autistic mumbling
>>65460624These things are science fiction to the vast majority of that army, anon. It's. It complicated.
